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THE DEEP ONES: "The Neglected Garden" by Kathe Koja

The Weird Tradition

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2KentonSem
Mar 15, 2:18pm Top

Think I'll dig out Extremities.

3elenchus
Mar 15, 2:20pm Top

My usual online access.

4RandyStafford
Mar 15, 4:27pm Top

Extremities for me. I'll immodestly link to my essay on that collection.

5KentonSem
Edited: Mar 20, 11:27am Top

Koja is always tops at nailing conflicting emotions that collide and erupt simultaneously in troubled relationships. She's also tops at taking body horror over the edge. I got the idea that the "garden" here might not have been so neglected once she was attached to the fence.

>4 RandyStafford:

Really good take on the stories in Extremities. Z This all reminds me that I've been meaning to re-read The Cipher for a while now...

6elenchus
Mar 20, 10:20am Top

I'm always tempted to think in terms of allegory, and yet seldom confident it's warranted (let alone intended by the author). In any case, though here it's fairly easy to find an allegory in "The Neglected Garden", I was most pleased when I compelled myself to read it literally.

In an interview at Weird Fiction Review, Koje remarks, "there is a real difference to me between 'weird' and 'ugly.' Cruelty to the helpless is irredeemably ugly and I can’t stomach it." There were points during this story I had to look away from the screen because of the thoughts that were amassing there, based on where I thought the story was going. By and large, though, I think Koja met her own stipulation. Ironically, for me this was accomplished by having one character kill off another.

7elenchus
Edited: Mar 20, 11:26am Top

Touchstones in >4 RandyStafford: and >5 KentonSem: are amiss, though it's correct in >2 KentonSem:.

RandyStafford 's link to his review is fine (it directs to a blog, not to LT). It's a fine review, by the way, not just this story but the full thing.

8AndreasJ
Mar 20, 12:08pm Top

I found myself wondering whether Koja wants the reader to sympathize with Anne. We're given no insight at all in what their relationship prior to the start of the story, so we don't know how justified the man is in wanting to throw her out, nor do we know if she has anywhere else to go.

Also, what's wrong with Richard the doctor? If he, very understandably, thinks that the protagonist put her on the fence, why on earth doesn't he call the police on him?

Does, BTW, the Richard's "It is a her, isn’t it?" suggest that the protagonist have a history of troubled relationships with women?

9KentonSem
Edited: Mar 20, 12:50pm Top

Koja's main characters, at least back in her 90's work, are often psychologically damaged and extremely difficult to like. At the same time, you want them to persevere and somehow cut through the murk of their thought processes. Not a very comfortable read, but I think that's the author's intent.

Besides Richard and the police, a simple call for an ambulance might have also done the trick. So why doesn't help come from one of these obvious routes is a very good question.

10elenchus
Mar 20, 1:02pm Top

>9 KentonSem: So why doesn't help come from one of these obvious routes is a very good question.

That angle is a big contributor to my urge to interpret the story allegorically. If it's an allegory, then it's less "troubling" that neighbours know a woman is tangled on the back fence for days, and yet don't intervene except to complain of the nuisance it is. They behave as though they're overhearing an audible quarrel, and not witnessing bodily torture. Same with Richard and the police on the phone.

And from this perspective, too, Anne can be seen as becoming empowered within the context of her relationship. Still doesn't provide any more insight into the relationship, but suggests that one thing lacking was her lack of agency, and now that has changed.

11KentonSem
Mar 20, 2:16pm Top

>10 elenchus:

Reading it more literally, then, it becomes something of a modified Kitty Genovese scenario, with all involved additionally sensing that something even worse is about to happen, but if they prevent it, then they won't know. I'm glad that Koja isn't letting us off the hook, one way or the other.

Spare thought - maybe there is an actual neglected garden out back and it's protesting, using Anne as a vector... Maybe the unnamed narrator's relationship with her doesn't really matter that much in the end and those neighbors had better see to their own gardens!

12elenchus
Mar 20, 2:31pm Top

Took the opportunity to review the wikipedia article on the Kitty Genovese murder: I recalled that the main argument was disproven (not as many witnesses as reported actually understood what was going on, and no evidence that any of those "did nothing"), but was surprised to learn that Harlan Ellison wrote an article on it and perhaps exaggerated further the already mistaken reporting of The New York Times.

Koja's garden symbolism is certainly an effective choice for her Weird style.

13KentonSem
Mar 20, 2:45pm Top

A fairly recent book, Kitty Genovese: The Murder, the Bystanders, the Crime that Changed America goes into great detail about what might have really happened. Harlan was actually beating the drum for it for a while, if I remember correctly. Still, the name remains synonymous with the legend, for better or worse.

14frahealee
Edited: Mar 22, 10:05am Top

Since I had to look up who Kitty G. was, I will skip all that analysis. I had heard about the story but could not have recalled when or where it happened, let alone who.

The first bit was mighty disturbing from several angles. For some reason it eased the discomfort, that she's a female author, but not the impact. I found myself with clenched teeth just determined to get through it, but as the white flower imagery kicked in, the unsettling irritation dissipated. My Hugh Jackman dvds include The Fountain (2006) directed by Darren Aronofsky, made in Montreal I think. At times quite violent, there is a scene in the film that ties in the fountain of youth and it somewhat tamed the story imagery for me at least temporarily. I had visceral reactions strangely, to both. Flipped stomach and all. I absolutely admit to being a lightweight when it comes to horror gore, and I rely on my own imagination when reading, to know how far it can take me before I get traumatized, but it doesn't always let me off the hook. I can read further than I can watch, because I have been gifted with a technicolour prism for this stuff and must be carefull or I'd never sleep again.

Got through this intact, thanks to the Spanish Inquisition. Love lush green jungle scenes so my scales were balanced afterall.

ETA: I watched part of the interview in the link above, and enjoyed her comments on M.R.James. I recall both stories vividly as well, the mouth/pillow and the scene in the movie theatre in Casting of Runes. It helped give context to this story, even vaguely, since I've read nothing else yet by her.

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