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Edited: Mar 16, 2008, 7:59pm Top

I'm starting this primarily for my use (it's better than my crude system using the "favorites" function, which clogs my profile), but I'm sure plenty of you will be able to add stuff. Tricks that can be sometimes used to get the listing to work have all failed in these cases:
-Adjusting the city name
-Adjusting the street number
-Switching from the local street name to the Provincial route name
-Adding the postal code

I'm finding that half the time, these locations are absent from LT's "Terrain" mode maps, but show up on Google Maps "map" format (Directly checking google maps usually works), and often the "Terrain" ones too, even though LT can't seem to recognize them. The most confusing (and quite common) cases are those where using the city name works, but adding the address moves the location to a different city (!). Of course, the sometimes mildly spotty coverage in rural area outside the U.S. (outright absent in quite a few places not necessarily rural at all, see ) does not help, nor do homonyms and the rather idiosyncratic adaptation of some street names.

venue #, name, city (comments)
15373, Bibliothèque de Saint-Tharcisius, Saint-Tharcisius (Wrong end of the street)
17340, Bibliothèque de Saint-Valère, Saint-Valère (no idea what's going on there)
17285, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Françoise, Sainte-Françoise (wrong city, homonymy, unrecognized in GMaps too)
15269, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Françoise, Sainte-Françoise (not recognized much more than the previous, even though it works in GMaps with the postal code)
15278, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Jeanne-d'Arc, Sainte-Jeanne-d'Arc (GMaps has it as Sainte-Jeanne-d'Arc-de-Matane, but that doesn't help)
21679, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Jeanne-D'Arc, Sainte-Jeanne-d'Arc (Homonyme)
17293, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Monique, Sainte-Monique
21680, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Monique, Sainte-Monique

15339, Bibliothèque La Chanterelle, Saint-Juste-du-Lac (By switching city name, I get the right area, but the location is completely wrong)
17444, Bibliothèque La Source, Saint-Damase-de-l'Islet (A hopeless case, only localisation used is the Postal code)
17373, Bibliothèque Léo-Pol-Morin, Cap-Saint-Ignace (another Postal code localisation)
17561, Bibliothèque municipale de Saint-Séverin, Saint-Séverin (wrong city)
17487, Bibliothèque municipale de Sainte-Praxède, Sainte-Praxède (Unrecognised)
17452, Bibliothèque municipale Rayons d'Art, Sainte-Agathe-de-Lotbinière (wrong city)
16270, Bibliothèque Oscar-Ferland, Saint-Pierre-de-l'Île-d'Orléans (postal code won't help)
15561, Bibliothèque publique de Mashteuiatsh, Mashteuiatsh (this indian reserve near Roberval doesn't exist according to GMaps)
17502, Bibliothèque Rayon de Soleil, Saint-Frédéric (GMaps has the city, but not the street, and doesn't match the city to a postal code)
17549, Bibliothèque René-Blais, Saint-Nazaire-de-Dorchester (wrong city)
11503, Université de Montréal - Bibliothèque des Lettres et sciences humaines, Montréal (This should be much farther East, next to venue 7374, the Library and Information science Library, I suspect Google Maps cannot follow along the idiosyncratic civic numbers around campus)
19190, Bibliothèque de Saint-Claude, Saint-Claude (Street name matches, but not city)
19176, Bibliothèque de Notre-Dame-des-Bois, Notre-Dame-des-Bois (Placement by postal code?)
18777, Bibliothèque de Baie-Johann-Beetz, Baie-Johann-Beetz (At least it is in the right area)
19193, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Cécile-de-Whitton, Sainte-Cécile-de-Whitton (Breaks when adding a street address to the city)
18792, Bibliothèque de Longue-Rive, Longue-Rive
19214, Bibliothèque de Stoke, Stoke (another wrong city. I blame the overuse of the street name "rue principale" in rural Quebec DX )
19216, Bibliothèque de Stornoway, Stornoway (dumps it on the city location point, but it should be slightly to the southwest)
19226, Bibliothèque de Wotton, Wotton (more palcement by postal code)
20355, Bibliothèque de Brébeuf, Brébeuf (correct city, but wrong place, and only works with postal code)
19412, Bibliothèque de Grande-Entrée, îles-de-la-Madeleine (wrong placement within city)
19368, Bibliothèque de Saint-Majorique, Gaspé
20271, Bibliothèque de Saint-Cléophas-de-Brandon, Saint-Cléophas-de-Brandon (this and the two following are stubbornly dumped on this stretch of road)
20288, Bibliothèque Louise-Amélie-Panet, Sainte-Mélanie
20292, Bibliothèque de Saint-Félix-de-Valois, Saint-Félix-de-Valois (wrong city, unrecognized without postal code)
19466, Bibliothèque de Saint-Siméon, Saint-Siméon
20265, Bibliothèque Docteur-Jacques-Olivier, Saint-Alphonse-Rodriguez
19435, Bibliothèque du Vieux-Couvent, New Richmond (any attempt to add the civic address breaks)
20279, Bibliothèque Françoise-Allard-Bédard, Sainte-Élisabeth (placement only works--incorrrectly--with postal code)
20983, Bibliothèque C.-J.-Magnan, Sainte-Ursule (City alone works, any other details cause misplacement)
20977, Bibliothèque Clément-Marchant, Sainte-Geneviève-de-Batiscan (gets misplaced no matter what I do)
20436, Bibliothèque de Kiamika, Kiamika
20448, Bibliothèque de Lac-Saint-Paul, Lac-Saint-Paul (insist on the wrong city)
20447, Bibliothèque de Lac-Saguay, Lac-Saguay (this and the followings are the right area, but way off from the city)
20496, Bibliothèque de Saint-Colomban, Saint-Colomban
20524, Bibliothèque de Saint-Hippolyte, Saint-Hippolyte
20989, Bibliothèque de Saint-Léon-le-Grand, Saint-Léon-le-Grand (This is caused by an homonymy problem that also keeps venue 15342 from being correctly placed)
21026, Bibliothèque de Saint-Joseph-de-Mékinac, Trois-Rives (city unknown, very weird match for the street name)
20995, Bibliothèque de Saint-Luc-de-Vincennes (wrong city)
21019, Bibliothèque de Saint-Sévère (city doesn't exist)
20512, Bibliothèque de Sainte-Anne-du-Lac (appears to be a palcement by postal code)
21007, Bibliothèque Jeannine-Julien, Saint-Justin (street is missing form the map, and LTL resolves to a similarly-named one)
21011, Bibliothèque Livresque, Saint-Prosper (also a homonymy problem, except that venue 17557 resolves normally)
21138, 21155, 21679, 21164, 21148

This will probably get longer as I complete adding all the libraries in the province. I'll sort it by problem type when I'm done.

Going on phase 2 (double check) is revealing that in several cases the street, but not the civic number is recognized. In other cases, typos and accents in city or street names cause trouble.

Mar 14, 2008, 10:34pm Top

Hi Circeus

Sometimes less data is more helpful. Perhaps you've already tried everything, but I still recommend trying out a variety of street names and omitting the postal code (completely - not adding it later, or before, but simply not adding it at all.) Here are some issues I can think of:

The hyphens might be causing a problem in the street and city names.

The accents, quite likely.

Adding numbers after instead of before the street name.

(Then again I sometimes find that accented and hyphenated or foreign language names work whereas English transliterations fail completely.)

"Saint/Sainte" (French) might be recognized as St., or Ste., or perhaps it gets read as st. (street.)

As for small cities and rural areas, it might only be recognizing 'nearest major city' or 'region' and placing the dot in the centre of that city/region.

Mar 15, 2008, 11:18am Top

In each of these cases, please believe me when I say I've tried everything I could think of. Including the postal code, for example, is quite often the only way to get a placement at all.

It's not really a thread to ask for help or anything, so much as to have a list of venues I might want to revisit and try to see if I can fix at a later date.

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