
I've got
Reading With God by
David Foster sitting on the shelf. I keep starting it, getting so far, and deciding I ought to try this out before I read any further and then not doing anything more with it.
Well, I'm reading
Beyond the Sacred Page, which is fiction, but it does deal with the English translation of the Bible. It's quite a good book. I'm rather enjoying it. It's interesting to see the way people worshipped and how they understood "religion".
Am re-reading two of
Richard Elliott Friedman's books,
Who Wrote the Bible? and
The Hidden Face of God. The former is still the best introduction to the consensus on the documentary hypothesis in the Hebrew scriptures (a view I'm far more comfortable with than I am with the equivalent as re. the N.T.); the second is a re-title of
The disappearance of God (same book, different name) and is a meditation on why and how the figure of God seems to withdraw from the scene as the O.T. progresses. His later sections are on responses to this withdrawal in later history, and make a curious combination with the first part. I like all the sections, but I go back and forth on how relevant I think they are to each other and how convincing in themselves. The middle one (on Nietzsche and Dostoevsky) is quite good; for my money the last ("Big Bang and Kabbalah") is the weakest.
I just started reading
Savior or Servant? Putting Government in Its Place by
David W. Hall. Drawing upon thousands of Bible verses and hundreds of thinkers, Hall is attempting to define the role of the state.
Also, I'm currently re-reading
Andrew Murray's
Humility. If a Christian desires a true walk with Jesus Christ, I recommend this book heartily. A Christ-like life is not possible without true humility. This book gets to the heart of the matter.
Hey all, first message here :).
I'm currently reading
My Life by Golda Meir, a very interesting book that gave me new insights into Israel, its history and politics, and the life of Golda Meir herself, both in her role in Israel's politics and her personal life.
What interests me most about this book is the point of view. Obviously, it can be considered pro-israel, but contrary to most Israel-centered books I've read, it's does not have a religious slant. It's sad to see that many of the issues she wrote about in 1975 are still major issues now.
Next to that I'm reading
Beloved by
Toni Morrison. So far, a great but cruel book.
Currently I am reading God Centered Biblical Interpretation, by Vern Poythress. This is in addition to several commentaries on Leviticus.
There's a C.S. Lewis group...
I don't think there's a limit to groups you can, or should make.
I've just finished reading
Blue Like Jazz. It is not the longest book ever written but I found it interesting because the author geets away from cliches about the Christian faith and reworks some of the basic themes that we all regard as important so we can look at them in fresh ways.
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Jenniferb - I've been researching the Emerging Church a lot, lately -- see my
blog if you want more on that. :o)
I just bought
Blue Like Jazz and would really like to some day own
Searching For God Knows What, too.
Currently reading "
The Complete Idiot's Guide to The Reformation & Protestantism" by James S. Bell and Tracy Macon Sumner. Great book -- highly recommended!
Next up:
Postmodernism 101 by Heath White.
Recently finished a book that's out of print
the persecutor, an amazing autobiography of a former Soviet agent. Find it through used books on Amazon and you won't be disappointed.
I also recently read
Passing Through Paradise which moves Christian fiction beyond most of what's available in bookstores. It shows real Christians with real problems.
Thanks for the heads up on
Blue Like Jazz guys. I ordered it having picked up the comments here, and read it in last night. Absolutely great stuff, thanks again. As for the rest of my current reading, I've just started my ordination training, so the list is rather long, but
Paul: Fresh Perspectives by
N T Wright is the stand out so far.
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Currysue,
I have heard of Sandmel. He was mentioned in a recent lecture that I was apart of for his article on parallelomania. I am looking forward to reading him soon, I have only heard good things.
If you are looking for a nice evangelical commentary to aid in your reading of Leviticus; check out Gordon Wenham's work in the N.I.C.O.T. or Allen Ross' work.
Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."
....Mark 7:13
>>Message 17: jenniferb
read>>I just started Adventures in Missing the Point by Brian McLaren >>and Tony Campolo. The Emergent church movement makes me >>think, but is it just another gimmick? "Spiritual" Religiousity for the >>21st century? Or is it really authentic? any thoughts?
I agree with you. The Emergents are helping to challenge church in its current fixation on modernity. However, the movement so far is more about deconstructing the current practices in order to make way for new and more authentic ones. In my opinion, I think that the obvious benefit behind this is that it helps us (american churches) recognize our shortcomings. This will then help us to rearticulate our faith in our new context so that we can embody what it means to be followers of Jesus in each and every particular context/culture.
One great thing about McLaren in particular is his generous spirit. Rather than attempt to destroy the other, McLaren is careful to pick up on the good that each tradition is bringing to the table (even eucharistic table if you will). He affirms what is good and helpful and challenges that which is not. However, you will always find a spirit of love in all that he says--you cannot say that much about many of his opponents who regularly throw around heresy language and even (if you can believe it) demonic language to describe him! Anyway, McLaren has alot to show us about being open to learn from all, and discerning where the Spirit is present in the other.
The other thing that I think is especially helpful about the emergent strain of thought is that it tends to focus on being "missional". It recognizes our place in God's missio dei and calls authentic believers to reach out holistically to the whole world and witness to the kingdom of God in our midst.
I for one am excited to see what comes of the open space that has been created by this deconstructionism. It may be too early, but I am anticipating a constructive sort of theology to help challenge the church to really be the "body of Christ" in our post-modern world.
I have to believe that this movement is borne of the Spirit given its spirit of reconciliation and faithfulness. I don't think it is a gimmick, but rather faithful people asking the "tough questions" that none of us want to ask ourselves. Ron Sider deals with this in "Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger" when he says that most of us are much like the Mafioso's Wife. We know there is something going on that we ought to ask about so that we can be informed to make moral decisions regarding them. However, most of us, even while we know that there are problems that exist are more content to not ask the questions, so that we think we somehow avoid the responsibilty for action. But Sider posits that when we know there is something 'going on' that deserves attention, and we do not ask, so that we do not have to deal with our responsibilty, we are just as guilty as if we knew the scope of the problem and refused to deal with it. In fact, our refusal to investigate is concomitant with our refusal to act and borne out of a desire to make things comfortable rather than right. All that said, I think the emergents are asking the questions that no one wants to deal with. (Where copernicus asked the question what if the earth is NOT the center of the universe, the emergents are asking "what if the church as we know it is not in the center of God's plan? What should we do in order to be faithful?"
Certainly maintaining the status quo just won't do. So where do we go from here?
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Currently reading:
Disappointment with God by Philip Yancey
Just finished:
Moses by Charles Swindoll
If I Gained the World by Linda Nichols
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I'm reading Tower of Shadows, by Drew C. Bowling... it's not so bad, a little fluffy perhaps...
A really good and balanced book on the topic of modernity and postmodernity and where the church fits in to those two worldviews is Truth and the New Kind of Christian: The Emerging Effects of Postmodernism in the Church by
R. Scott SmithI felt that Smith did a good job of trying to balance out the Pros and Cons for both positions. He talked about the benefits of each view as well as the pitfalls that the church can run into if it takes one idea to an extreme and to the total exclusion of the other. It's a short read - probably a primer really - on the topic, but it does give you a foundation on which to start a discussion and pursue more in-depth study.
Shawn
I have become hooked on books by Francine Rivers.... recently I just finished The Atonement Child and Redeeming Love.
Just finished "Truth and Tolerance," by Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI). Even though I am a Protestant I can certainly appreciate Pope Benedict's skill as a theologian and his analysis of many of the challenges that all Christians must face in engaging people of different faiths in meaningful dialogue.
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Olivet Prophecies is certainly an obscure book. I looked it up on worldcat and the closest library to me on Long Island that has it is Carthage College in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
A Two-Part Invention by
Madeleine L'Engle. This is a heartfelt journey of pain, love and faith. The story of her marriage and her husband's struggle with cancer. It reminds me of
C.S. Lewis's struggles and his openness about grief, anger, and joy. L'Engle is painfully honest and transparent here. Wonderful thought on God's will, suffering and the results of suffering.
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What a tribute to her life.
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i'm currently reading
Housekeeping by
Marilynne Robinson and find it phenomenal.
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I am currently reading Sanctorum Communio by BonhoefferWhat do you think of it thus far? Any opinions from anyone else who has read it?
Blue Genes by
Paul Meier, M.D.. I am loving this. It is something which everyone should read because there are so many misunderstandings about mental illness out there, especially in the Christian community.
I'm going through
My utmost for His highest with the Sunday School class I teach. This will be my first time all the way through without stopping, and I'm really enjoying it.
I am currently studying Bible Study Methods by Rick Warren. The book encourages you to read and apply the Bible in different ways. An inspiring book which I am sure will show me new insights into the Bible.
I am also reading Prayer by Philip Yancy. A fantastic and insightful book although it requires a long time to read it!
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Psalm 23 right now and hoping to move on to something new if I can finish it by tonight.
I'm probably going to get shouted down on this one, as I already have been by many people I know, but I am not a big fan of the Emergent Church movement...it asks a lot of great questions, but I have a problem with a lot of the answers they are coming up with, since many of them are not biblically based and some go against what the Bible teaches. I have not read any Brian McLaren, but have sat under Rob Bell and read some of his books and interviews and not been impressed. If you are interested in pursuing the subject, I highly recommend a sermon by Mark Driscoll, a proponent of the Emerging (not emergent) church movement, on the Desiring God John Piper website. Not only does he cover this topic thoroughly, but he is entertaining to listen to as well.
Msg 63 is in response to msg 17, by the way.
just finished reading Mark Noll's
Turning Points, which is quite a useful potted introduction to church history. Some chapters were more riveting than others, but he's generally a good writer and helpful in seeing why these events (obviously a subjective list!) were significant.
#63 I got interested in your distinguishing between emerging and emrgent, so I googled and came up with a Christianity today article from February of this year:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007... Scot McKnight, of whom I made reference in #62, wrote the article. He sees five "streams" flowing in the emerging church:
prophetic
post-modern
praxis-oriented
post-evangelical
political
Phyllis Tickle plans to speak on this subject on Long Island, December 5 & 8, 2007. She is calling it "Emergent Christianity."
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I'm reading
The Power of a Praying Woman by Stormie Omartian for a Bible Study I lead. We are loving it. I'm also still trying to finish
When God Weeps by Joni Eareckson Tada. I am also working my way through The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell for a Sunday School class that I'm attending. My next book will be
Absolute Surrender by Andrew Murray.
# 68. I guess I'd have to suggest
Dogmatics in Outline, sometimes called the "Cliff's notes" to Karl Barth. Although, personally, I didn't really respond to Barth until I read a section of
Church Dogmatics, part IV, "The Doctrine of Reconciliation", chapter 14, called "Jesus Christ, The Lord as Servant." You can find it online at starting at
http://agios.us/barth/B59-1-1.html . I'd be interested to know what you think of it.
I'm reading
A History of Christianity by Kenneth Scott Latourette. Took it home from our church's library (which is under renovation) and didn't notice for a while that it's 1,500 pages. "Gaa!" I said, overwhelmedly. But Latourette is a phenomenally good writer. I'm up to the early Scholastics (Anselm, Peter Abélard) and I feel like I'm learning a lot. Fuller review to follow on the book's page, but probably not for a couple of months.
Did you like The Secret Magdalene? I was blown away by it. Can't wait for anything else she writes.
I managed to buy that set of books for $29 a long time ago. I've read Paul Tillich, Karl Barth, and Reinhold Niebuhr. Thanks for the reminder. I need to go back and read the other volumes. It's a pretty good resource.
I just picked up
What Jesus Meant by Garry Willis... almost done, but I'll turn it around and read it again, very thought-provoking and reaffirming...
I am a member of the Angican Book Club. The spring selection came this morning, Imitating Jesus. I had the finished a biography of William Wilberforce, the winter selection
I got a copy of "the Simple Faith of Mr. Rogers" for Christmas and finished it in a weekend....not heavy duty theology by any means but a great example of someone living the faith. God bless him...
I have started reading
Frederick Quinn's
To Be a pilgrim: the Anglican ethos in history. This is a book from the library, but I may want to own it. It has selected readings from each century and is very well put together. Written in 2001, so it doesn't deal with the most current controversies in the Episcopal Church.
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I was currently reading
The Secret Magdalene by Ki Longfellow, but I just finished it. Since I wish I could still be reading it, I consider it "current." I'm currently thinking about it and currently wondering when I can start all over. But I thought I ought to mention it has zero to do with Christianity since neither Yeshu or Mariamne are Christians. Christians did not exist in their time. Underlying the story, which is amazing, it is, though, original Christian thought, ideas that didn't make it past the death of Yeshu by many years. Wonderful wonderful book.
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Currently reading
Orthodox Prayer Life by
Matthew the Poor. He was a wealthy man who went off into the desert in Egypt to become a hermit and stayed there for 55 years until he died in 2006. Highly intelligent and based on deep experience.
I agree with Starryeyes about
The Secret Magdalene. Although it's a version of what could have been the life of the woman who is now known as Mary Magdalene, it's not really a Christian novel. It's a work of deep spirituality. I also agree it's a wonderful novel in termsn of character and story, and the theology is simply amazing.
Although only 56 own
The Secret Magdalene, it's average rating is 4.88 and that is very high. It also has garnered 8 reviews. That is impressive also.
Currently reading The Nature of God by Arthur W. Pink
The Acts of the Apostles.
The Spirit of the Liturgy by Joseph CardinalRatzinger, the current Pope. The theme of liturgy as play has come through, the idea of "exitus" and "reditus", and the moral association.
Westminster Abbey by
Richard Jenkyns is part of the "Wonders of the World" series from Harvard University, semi-brief historical guides to some of the great buildings, not particularly pictorial.
I'm currently reading and preparing book reviews of:
Neglected Voices: Peace in the Old Testament by David A. Leiter and The Purple Crown: The Politics of Martyrdom by Tripp York. Both are published by Herald Press.
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I am also reading NT Wright's books at the moment. His trilogy on Christ is really clear, systematic and thoroughly argued. It has challenged me to revisit interpret my interpretation of many familiar texts. I have also read his popular commentary on the book of Hebrews, which is amazing because he writes with such a breezy freedom compared to his academic tomes. I thought that it was the sort of commentary any Christian would love to read, although he clearly isn't attempting to provide a scholarly work. I am also reading Ben Witherington III, whom I rate highly as again a strong academic but also someone who writes exceptionally well. I'm reading his commentary on Mark and his work "The Paul Quest". There's a Durham link in there somewhere...These guys are both so prolific they deserve discussion threads all of their own! I'm new to LT, and find it reassuring that others seem to like similar books.
"The Emergent church movement makes me think, but is it just another gimmick?"
Personally, I see it as just another form of liberal Christianity. I think "post-modern" Christianity can lead to some theologically dangerous places.
I have just finished reading:
Prayer is a place : America's religious landscape observed by Phyllis
Tickle. Most of the book is about her days at Publishers Weekly and the process of moving more religious books into the mainstream of American publishing. She also discusses a little of emergent Christianity. Most of this book is autobiographical. (she lives in West Tennessee.) I had read earlier her more theological book, The Great Emergence: how Christianity is changing and why, and did hear a lecture by her on this (see Msg 66).
A knitting pattern!
I am trying to read The Gagging of God by D.A. Carson. This book is a little tough for me
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I have just finished Quiet Talks on Prayer by S.D. Gordon which I recommend to anyone looking for a revitalization of their prayer life. See review on librarything.
Ecospirit, a rich collection of essays on creation spirituality and ecological theology (definitely not to be confused with creationism!). Skip the introduction, incidentally, unless you like deep philosophical jargon - the rest of this thick book is very readable.
Just finished:
The One Percent Doctrine by Ron Sukind.
True Riches by T.R. Arthur: on the internet.
Starting The Epic of Kings by Ferdowsi: on the internet.
Reading the Institutes of Christain Religion by John Calvin daily reading on the internet.
Expository Thoughts on the Gospels by J.C. Ryle on the book of John.
I have finished I Stand at the Door, the Advent sermons of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Very illuminating and turns my mind back to God. Has anyone else read it?
# 115
I think that
I Stand at the Door by
Edwin Robertson is a difficult book to find. Only four people in LT own it, it wasn't listed in Worldcat (which means virtually no library owns it), and Amazon in the U.S. shows it as an unavailable import. Perhaps, you could tell us a little something about it, and where you were able to get it.
#116 vpfluke:
AbeBooks.com has two books available one for $6.07 and the other for $6.84 if you want to purchase it.
I'm currently reading, among other things, The Episcopal Church - Its Teachings and Worship by The Rev. Latta Griswold, M.A., December 1951 printing ©1917 Morehouse-Gorham Co., NYC, NY
{I did the Touchstones bracket thingy for both title and author, but the thingy doesn't seem to work for me.}
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I was able to get the author Touchstone:
Latta Griswold (I didn't bother with the honorifics).
I used a colon for the work Touchstone:
Episcopal Church: its teaching and worship, and it worked. Sometimes, if only one work is in LT (or the second copy hasn't properly been cached yet), the Touchstone doesn't work.
In any case, as an Episcopalian, this seems like a potentially interesting book. Have you read more recent books on the Episcopal Church? and I wonder how the one by Griswold compares. How much does the Episcopal Church of 1917/1951 compare with the one of 2009?
I did a combining effort and there are now three copies shown in LT, including the one with the the subtitle: "Instructions given at the Chapel of the Intercession, New York, for churchmen and confirmation classes." This version came out in 1916. Then the 1917 one alluded to, which went into three editions. So, probably the older one evolved into the newer one. The Worldcat record is a bit of a jumble. There are 50 copies of the various versions of this book, but only two in public libraries (New York Public - non-circulating, and the other in Asbury Park, New Jersey); the rest are in university and seminary libraries. I have a feeling this was a popular book on the Episcopal Church at one time, even if most libraries no longer own a copy.
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#123
Are you planning to write a review of
Articles of Faith? There aren't any yet in LT, and only one useful one at Amazon.
Anam Cara (Spiritual Wisdom from the Celtic World) by
John O'Donoghue.
I began reading it years ago but it got packed away somewhere during one of my perennial relocations and I've just found it and started reading it again.
I'm reading
Colorado Wings by Tracie Peterson. Its really interesting.
I'm re-reading The Window of Vulnerability by German theologian Dorothee Soelle. It made a deep impression on me when I first read it, probably nearly 20 years ago, and I still find it fresh and inspiring, despite it being a little dated in some details.
I'm currently reading Richard Foster's Celebration of Discipline in prep for an upcoming Seminary class on Spiritual Formation. I'm really struggling with what appears to be Foster's loose quotations and interpretations of the Scripture, deviations into what I call the "HUH?!" category and just overall lack of Biblical support for some principles he lays out. But then, out of nowhere, he'll shock me and bring what he's talking about squarely back to God's word. So, I'm going to ride this roller-coaster to the end, but I can't honestly say that I'm enjoying every turn at this point. Can't wait to start class so we can discuss this book with the prof and other students.
#129
Does Richard Foster's being a Quaker have any effect on how he uses scripture? My pastor several (3) decades ago tried to get me to read a
Celebration of Discipline, but I never did.
Hi vpfluke---very good question. I think it does. When I mentioned my concerns to two of our Deacons' this morning at breakfast and that Foster was/is a Quaker, one of them commented that the Quaker tradition does have a lean toward the more loose use of Scripture and a potential over-interest in looking for the experience perhaps over the written Word of God. I do have to say that Foster makes some excellent points along the way, it's just the deviations toward confusing points that concern me.
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