Universal truths

TalkWorld Religions

Join LibraryThing to post.

Universal truths

This topic is currently marked as "dormant"—the last message is more than 90 days old. You can revive it by posting a reply.

1Mr.Durick
Edited: Jul 5, 2008, 6:26pm

Child of Light says in the Who are we thread, "There is something going on, there is some truth that all religions are trying to get to, yet none have reached it, because they have all become corrupted after their prophet died, and I'm trying to understand what it is."

There is a grand assertion here, and there are a number of presuppositions. All of the ones I have identified seem to me to be worthy of discussion. So as not to prejudice the discussion I will not start, but I would like to hear other thoughts on the matter, except to say that, with Maurice Maeterlinck and Abraham Joshua Heschel, I think mystery is important.

Robert

2Susieqbarker
Jul 22, 2008, 4:55pm

Robert,
I agree with you that "mystery is important" -- the problem it seems to me is that contemporary religion does not understand "mystery" and has lost all threads to it. Organized religion, in my opinion, is nothing but shallow dogma....the more conservative the religion the less it has to offer. I say this having been reared in a very fundamental Lutheran Synod. I've spent over 40 years reading and studying the history of religion....and that doesn't mean (necessarily) the "stuff" of religion texts....almost always written with a slant toward one version or another of whatever it is the author is promoting. I think you have to start reading and studying the Sumerian texts (for me Zachariah Sitzin was a crack in the veneer and I have gone from there)....read the current translation of Gilgamesh if you haven't and see how much was outright "stolen" from it as it went into other (including Egyptian and therefore Herbrew and Christian -- but also the Vedic traditions) cultures and traditions. We have only a true history of one generation....after that it becomes facts and facts are often misleading....that idea that "statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics". When history goes into the second generation and you have someone explaining what was meant by it, you run into trouble. The longer back you go, the more history is just wrong. What is happening, I think, is that there is a spiritual awakening happening that is programmed into our DNA as we approach the next earth upheaval. It happens about every 12,000 years and we all start over again. There are two scientists at Utah that are suggesting that the last time we had a major "earth shift" (about 12,000 years ago) we were down to between 2 and 3 thousand human survivors....we were that close to extinction! The DNA pattern changed dramatically from a broad variety to a very limited "strand" because most humans died out. The more you read OUTSIDE of the establishment "box" the more in tune you get with the mystery. That includes "drugs, sex and rock and roll". The ancients tell us of the uses in society for seers (Shamans), the need for enthenogens and the importance of music. The mystery schools taught that it does you no good to pray....words don't do it. You must chant and intone the message....the "universe" responds to vibrations. Look how that has become watered down in most religious traditions as "hymns" "sung" in praise so that "Jesus will save us". Jesus doesn't save anyone or anything....you save yourself! That was the Gnostic tradition and the Gnostics were the closest to the "true" mystery that ever got channeled into a Christian context and they were all killed by the Catholic Church (burned) because they weren't Christian at all. At the end of every hymn in our hymnals, at the end of prayers in the Christian church we say "Amen". What does "Amen" mean. It is a tribute to the Egyptian God/King. Most "Christians" pray to a "heathan" god (Amen) every Sunday and don't even know it. That's how far astray we have come from "true history" --- "true mystery". If you haven't read HPB, that's a good place to start.
Allan

3DeusExLibris
Jan 12, 2009, 11:32am

If you haven't already, you should really check out Aldous Huxley's the Perennial Philosophy

4DeusExLibrus
Mar 3, 2009, 2:42pm

Huston Smith and Mircea Eliade both deal to one degree or another with this idea as well. Eliade is a bit more conservative then Smith and he was writing earlier. However he was extremely well read and intelligent. I remember reading an interview of him with an introduction where the interviewer remarked that Eliade had stacks of books in his office, so many that he only had small pathways leading to his desk and around the room, he had read most, and knew exactly where every single book in his collection was.