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Dec 10, 2008, 3:09am (top)Message 1: charbutton

Mr Charbutton has pointed out that I probably only have 5,265 left to read in my life (average lady life expectancy in the UK = 81 x my average annual reading of 65 books), so I shouldn't waste my time re-reading books.

Hmmmm. Only 5,265 left??

So 2009 will be mainly spent reading new books from my TBR pile or from his book collection. I don't plan my reading. I just grab whatever catches my eye.

There will be 12 books chosen by my book club. Going on the 2008 choices, it's likely that I will not enjoy about 80% of these!

I'm hoping that my 2009 reading will include books related to the PhD I'm planning to start. The subject will be something related to women and alcohol in 20th century Britain, almost definitely pre-1939. But I've just found out that someone's already done a PhD on this subject up to the 1920s, so I may have to focus only on the 1930s. If so, I already have the title:

"The influence of cocktails on modern life cannot be exaggerated": women and alcohol in 1930s Britain.

The quote is from The Diary of a Provincial Lady by E.M. Delafield - it's one of my favourites!

Dec 10, 2008, 7:28am (top)Message 2: avaland

Delightful title! How did the choice of subject come about?

Dec 10, 2008, 10:46am (top)Message 3: charbutton

Good question. I'm not totally sure.

I'm interested in how 'deviant' women are discussed in various texts - newspapers, medical journals etc. My Masters dissertation was about women and moral panics in the early 1920s, with the main case study focused on cocaine use by young women.

Also, women's increasing drinking is always in the news and articles about binge drinking are often accompanied by pictures of drunk girls lying in gutters, even when the article isn't focused on women.

And much of my work at the moment is with drug and alcohol charitites.

So I guess it's a combination of factors!

I've started to look at the British Journal of Inebriety from the early 1900s. It's quite scary. Articles talk about the multiple causes of alcoholism that need to be tackled, and explain that people can't be expected to go through rehab and then have no on-going support. These issues are still so key to alcohol service provision. Much government funding is focused on treatment, but not aftercare, and reducing alcohol use is seen as very much part of the crime reduction agenda rather than as a problem that touches on health, crime, families etc.

Dec 11, 2008, 3:00am (top)Message 4: charbutton

I'm an idiot. I actually only have 3,120 books left in my life - I forgot that I've already used up 33 years of reading!

Dec 11, 2008, 7:37am (top)Message 5: dukedom_enough

charbutton@4,

If you're generally healthy you could hope to live past 81, and so read more books. You could try a life expectancy calculator.

Message edited by its author, Dec 11, 2008, 7:41am.

Dec 11, 2008, 7:50am (top)Message 6: amandameale

Very interesting topic! Good luck.

Dec 11, 2008, 8:32am (top)Message 7: bobmcconnaughey

or...one of them there speed reading courses...or even better, just go with the shink-lits versions. Be a mensch (metaphorically)..sleep, eating...what are they good for? absolutely nothing.(apologies to War)

Dec 11, 2008, 9:24pm (top)Message 8: cocoafiend

Interesting. I'll be interested to follow your progress if you do embark on your proposed subject... I'm doing my dissertation on Anna Kavan who was a heroin addict. There's quite a lot about her difficulty with the stigma associated with drugs and drug users in the 60s (she was habituated when DOCTORS prescribed heroin, in about 1926, to relieve the excruciating pain of a chronic back condition!)

Dec 15, 2008, 4:35am (top)Message 9: charbutton

Cocoafiend - I'll be interested to follow your progress too! The prescription of heroin and cociane as medicines sounds so crazynow.

I came across an hilarious article in either the British Medical Journal or the Lancet from the early 1920s that warned dentists against using cocaine on women patients because it would turn the women into nymphomaniacs!

Dec 16, 2008, 2:19am (top)Message 10: cocoafiend

charbutton, :) got a good chuckle out of that... what idiocies of our own will future generations sportively debunk, I wonder?

Dec 21, 2008, 10:50am (top)Message 11: fannyprice

Cool cool idea for a thesis. Its totally out of the time range you're planning on looking at, but this past year I read Craze: Gin and Debauchery in an Age of Reason by Jessica Warner, which is about the gin wars in England. There are some interesting bits in there on women and drinking & its a fun book otherwise.

Jan 3, 2009, 12:29pm (top)Message 12: charbutton



Book 1: No Signposts in the Sea by Vita Sackville-West

Having read and loved All Passion Spent, I was looking forward to reading this. Unfortunately the book didn't live up to my expectations.

No Signposts in the Sea is the story of Edmund, a man with a terminal illness who spends the last months of his life on a cruise that he decided to take in order to be with Laura, a woman he secretly loves.

Of course, a book written about someone moving towards death is bound to involve contemplations on and regrets about the character's life but I felt that Edmund's thoughts didn't go very far. He makes no deep analysis beyond noting that he hadn't made a space for love in his life. I'm sure lots of people don't make a thorough analysis of their lives, but then I probably wouldn't want to read 156 pages about their final thoughts either.

I recently read Moon Tiger by Penelope Lively which I think is a much more effective work about someone who is near to death, so perhaps No Signposts in the Sea suffers from me making a comparison between the two works.

The character of Laura was much more interesting to me. Victoria Glendinning, who writes the introduction, and a couple of reviewers on LT have suggested that she is a stereotype of a perfect, unattainable woman. I agree with that, but this actually made me want to find out more about her. Why had she chosen to take a 4 month cruise? I like to think that she has an interesting backstory of forbidden love, particularly as she makes reference to the lesbian relationship of an 'aquaintance'. Much is made of her reserved nature and I'm sure there is more to her than we know.

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:38am.

Jan 3, 2009, 1:44pm (top)Message 13: nohrt4me

Nice review. I've added one or two Vitas to my wishlist.

My uncles were insurance actuaries, so enjoyed your approach to reading in #1. If you really want to know how many books you can cram in, there are Web sites like realage.com that will help you fine-tune your reading capacity and adjust for current conditions that may impede same.

Just a thought ...

Jan 4, 2009, 6:57am (top)Message 14: charbutton

I've got The Edwardians on my TBR list and am looking forward to it despite not enjoying this one.

I'm not sure I can cope with having an estimate on my life expectancy. I don't want to confront the fact that pizzas, chocolate and no exercise are really having a bad effect!

Jan 4, 2009, 9:17am (top)Message 15: lindsacl

>10 cocoafiend, what idiocies of our own will future generations sportively debunk, I wonder? The US is now 15 days from inaugurating our next president ... there is rich material in the past 8 years ... don't get me started.

>12 Char, I enjoyed your review of No Signposts in the Sea. Like you, I was quite taken with All Passion Spent and would like to collect more VMCs by VSW. However, collecting and reading are two different things ... so, no rush to read this one, I guess!

Jan 5, 2009, 9:01am (top)Message 16: charbutton



Book 2: To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
(for book club, chosen by Hazel)

Wow. Wonderful. I am in love with Atticus Finch.

What I enjoyed most were the dry humour and the small, sparse comments that convey a wealth of meaning. My favourite: '...Aunt Alexandra woul have been analogous to Mount Everest: throughout my early life, she was cold and there'. Nothing else needs to be said about Aunt Alexandra.

I also really liked the way that issues of gender, race and class come through so clearly but without any tub-thumping.

This book also has the honour (?) of being one of the few that has made me cry. The parts where Dill gets upset at the court house and when the black community show their gratitude to Atticus by leaving food for him really touched me. (In case you're wondering, the other books that made me cry are Gobbolino the Witch's Cat and The Women's Room)

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:38am.

Jan 5, 2009, 11:47am (top)Message 17: urania1

If you love To Kill a Mockingbird, then you must read The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers - in my opinion one of the most beautiful books written in the US in the twentieth century.

Message edited by its author, Jan 5, 2009, 11:47am.

Jan 5, 2009, 12:43pm (top)Message 18: lindsacl

Excellent recommendation urania.

Char, was this your first time reading TKAM? My oh my, what a treat. It's also an excellent film starring Gregory Peck as Atticus and Robert Duvall as Boo Radley. A must-see, now that you've read the book.

Jan 5, 2009, 1:26pm (top)Message 19: charbutton

Thanks for the suggestion urania.

lindsacl - It's been on my shelf for a good few years and I think I remember starting it at some point, but if I did it definitely didn't have any impact on me at that point. But my approach to reading has really changed over the past few years - I think it's called growing up! For a long time I just read for the sake of reading a story and didn't really pay any attention to what was actually being said or how authors used language, so I can see how I might have missed the joy of TKAM despite reading it.

Jan 10, 2009, 10:34am (top)Message 20: nohrt4me

If you like American Southern fiction, I'd recommend Wiseblood by Flannery O'Connor. I don't always "get" her first time out, but she's usually worth the effort.

Jan 10, 2009, 10:15pm (top)Message 21: dukedom_enough

nohrt4me@20,

Have you seen the film of Wise Blood, with Brad Dourif as Hazel Motes? I thought it good, but haven't read the novel.

Jan 11, 2009, 3:15am (top)Message 22: charbutton

nohrt4me - thanks for the recommendation

Jan 11, 2009, 3:27am (top)Message 23: charbutton



Book 3: Cousin Rosamund by Rebecca West

The third book of an unfinished series about an impoverished middle-class family, following the narrator from chilhood through to middle age. There was to be at least one other instalment but Rebecca West died before she started work on it. Cousin Rosamund has been put together from chapters and notes she had written previously.

I enjoyed the first book, The Fountain Overflows, but found the second and third to be harder work. I think this is because the characters are all quite odd in their way and in the first book this made sense because the narrator is recalling her childhood and most of the characters are children. It seemed like a fantasy world.

But by the third book, I found it harder and harder to understand the near-magical qualities of the narrator's cousin Rosamund and brother Richard Quin.

I also think that much of West's thoughts on music and art have been lost on me. I really need to have another read through and think about it all more deeply.

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:39am.

Jan 11, 2009, 10:15am (top)Message 24: nohrt4me

>21, Oh, yes, I've seen "Wise Blood" several times. In my book, one of three movies in the American Triumvirate of Weird, along with "Eraserhead" and "Night of the Hunter."

Jan 11, 2009, 10:26am (top)Message 25: dukedom_enough

>24,
I can't imagine a better role for Dourif.

Jan 22, 2009, 4:19pm (top)Message 26: charbutton

In case anyone is following my reading, I just wanted to let you know that I'll be quiet for a few weeks. I'm in the middle of two long books (one 700+ pages) and work is crazy so I don't have a chance to leisure-related internet stuff. Also, I'm in India for the first three weeks of Feb. But hopefully I'll get lots of reading done while I'm away and things will be calmer when I come back so I can post about them!

Jan 23, 2009, 12:19am (top)Message 27: fannyprice

>26, Have a great trip! I am jealous!

Jan 23, 2009, 4:55am (top)Message 28: cocoafiend

Also jealous. Haven't been to India since 1994. Have fun!

Jan 23, 2009, 10:10am (top)Message 29: avaland

Ditto on the jealous. Hope you will keep a journal of some kind and perhaps share some of your impressions when you return. Have a safe and wonderful trip!

Jan 31, 2009, 1:59pm (top)Message 30: charbutton



Just time to post about my most recent book before I go away tomorrow...

BOOK 4: The Good Soldier Svejk by Jaroslav Hasek

An unfinished account of the adventures of a Czech soldier, Svejk, serving in the Austro-Hungarian army during the First World War. This is kind of a fore-runner of Catch 22 - Hasek shows the absurdity of war, the ridiculous bureaucracy of the army and the enduring pettiness of people. Officers and army chaplins come off pretty badly - they seem to spend all their time drinking and whoring!

On the surface, Svejk is an imbecile who gets into and out of a long series of scraps often due to the incompetence of senior officers. But really he is very clever and manipulative. He uses a bland innocence to get away with constant insubordination.

I bought this in Prague about 6 years ago and have attempted it a couple of times, but the length of the book has always daunted me. I was reminded of it by a menion in urania1's thread.

I did enjoy the book but I don't think it should be read straight through in the way I did. There is little development of the characters and it can feel that the jokes start to wear a bit thin after 700+ pages of it! Having a break now and then would help you come back to it with a fresh eye. The book ends abruptly beause Hasek died in the middle of dictating it so we never find out if Svejk actually makes it to the battlefield. I would be interested to know how Hasek would have tackled this.

It was interesting to think about another side of WW1 - the eastern front - which we don't learn much about in the UK.

Also, some of the incidents feel very current - friendly fire and ill-equipped troops for example.

Hasek himself sounds fascinating. He was a true Bohemian, living hand to mouth, often sleeping rough, wandering the country. Yet he married into a respectable family.

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:39am.

Jan 31, 2009, 2:36pm (top)Message 31: polutropos

Hey Char,

I will post some lengthier comments on Svejk later, for now just a few. I am so glad you liked it and are bringing it to the attention of more LTers. My perspective IS that of a native, who has read it repeatedly in the original Czech. This is the most important and also the most beloved novel in Czechoslovakia. Every one quotes it; everyone knows large sections by heart; there are few households which do not have a copy somewhere in the house. People dip into it time and time again. It is very much a part of the Czech consciousness and dare I say even character. Its most important characteristic, as you say, is its humour, but there is a great deal of wisdom as well. Svejk is an idiot, officially decreed by the authorities as an idiot, but he is at the same time Everyman, and he has a wisdom which no one else has. Its opening is priceless, "Tak nam zabili Ferdinanda,"...(So they killed our Ferdinand) with its immediate humour, misunderstanding, conversational tone all really leading us to understand the outbreak of WWI and the ending "U Kalicha, v dvanact tricet," is poignant. The friends are promising each other to meet again, after the war is over, in their favourite pub, at 12:30. They do not specify day, month, year, simply a hope, a belief, that they will meet again, that they will be there. And of course we know they won't, as Hasek himself ultimately was not. Hasek became a national hero based on this novel and there was a serious movement afoot to make him president of the Republic. Alas, that was not to happen. Czechoslovakia did eventually get a great writer, a man of enormous courage and integrity, as president, namely Vaclav Havel.

Joseph Heller said he never could have written Catch-22 if it were not for Good Soldier Svejk.

Czechoslovakia would have been a different country if it were not for Good Soldier Svejk.

Jan 31, 2009, 2:53pm (top)Message 32: urania1

>31 Wow!

Jan 31, 2009, 5:03pm (top)Message 33: rebeccanyc

Guess I'll have to move it up on the TBR pile . . .

Feb 1, 2009, 3:40am (top)Message 34: charbutton

polutropos, thanks so much for helping me to understand the significance of Good Soldier Svejk for Czechs. You've given me another aspect of the book to think about.

Feb 2, 2009, 8:25am (top)Message 35: aluvalibri

Guess I will have to get a copy, Andrew.

Feb 9, 2009, 10:39am (top)Message 36: polutropos

#32, 33, 34, 35

I am glad your TBR mountains are moving :-)

I have commented on another Czech author on my thread -- you may find it interesting, too.

Feb 22, 2009, 12:33pm (top)Message 37: charbutton

I'm back from my India trip and boy have I got a lot of LT catching up to do - I wish everyone would stop posting so much!

I had a great time. India lived up to all my pre-conceived ideas - cows wandering the streets, women washing clothes in rivers, people carrying things on their heads - but was also really thought-provoking. My friend and I spent a lot of time thinking about religion, morality, colonialism and the influence (or not) of 'Western' culture.

Each city we visited was different, something that we don't have in the UK where every town looks very much like another.

Mumbai was chilled and hassle-free. Although we only really saw Colaba, the touristy part, we liked it. We ended up unintentionally visiting all the terrorist sites. We had a beer one night in a cafe and it took us a while to notice the bullet holoes in the boarded up windows and then realise that we were in Leopold's cafe where 10 people had died. That was very weird.

Security was pretty high, but nothing compared to Hyderabad which i think has experienced a lot of bombings in the past few years. Hyderabad was a world away from Mumbai. We saw only about 10 other white people while we were there. No one stared at us in Mumbai - everyone stared at us in Hyderabad. One man even said 'get out of my country' as we walked past. It was quite un-nerving for the first day. But we found things to like. We visited the Birla Mandir Temple, a beautiful and peaceful white marble Hindu shrine where everyone was very welcoming. We also saw the 135ft long wardrobe of one of the Nizams (rulers of the Deccan area before 1947) - he never wore the same clothes twice!

Then we moved on to Mysore. The yoga courses in this town attract lots of visitors and there were many of what we would describe as middle-class hippies to be seen. We spent more time here than we intended because we got a bit sick. But it was a good place to be and was relaxing. Highlights included the Mysore Palace (lit with 94,000 lightbulbs for an hour every Saturday and Sunday night - at a cost of 8,000 rupees a go according to an auto-rickshaw driver) and sitting for a couple of hours by the beautiful river bank near Tipu's Sultan's summer palace at Srirangapatnam.

Finally, we spent two days in Bangalore. This city was a shock after Mysore. The traffic is appalling! And it's obvious that the callcentre business is putting money into young people's pockets - this was the first place where we saw pubs, a Levi store, Pizza Hut and KFC. We quickly retreated to the peace and quiet of the parks and botanical gardens!

All in all a wonderful trip but I feel like I've only scratched the surface of India. Hopefully I'll go back soon.

Feb 22, 2009, 12:35pm (top)Message 38: charbutton

Disclaimer: The next 5 books were read when I was away. I didn't write much down about them and I have a terrible memory, so my comments may be a bit sketchy!

Feb 22, 2009, 12:48pm (top)Message 39: charbutton



Book 5: Cat's Eye by Margaret Atwood

Atwood is my favourite author so I may be slightly biased when i say that I really enjoyed this book. I have owned it for ages but have put off reading it because I thought the subject matter of bullying may be upsetting. I didn't find it so.

I was really interested by the subject of relationships between women, something that is also tackled in my all-time favourite book, The Robber Bride. Elaine states that she's more comfortable in male company than in female company. Does this mean that she is betraying the sisterhood? Does a sisterhood exist? Or is it an entirely contrived concept?

I also enjoyed the power shifts between the two girls/women, although I'm not entirely convinced when Elaine seemed to completely forget that she had been bullied. I guess it was some kind of denial?

I was intrigued by how Atwood wrote and ending for Stephen (I'm trying not to spoil it for those who haven't read it). What happens to him is so completely unusual and I'm not sure why she chose to do it that way.

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:39am.

Feb 22, 2009, 12:55pm (top)Message 40: charbutton



Book 6: White Noise by Don DeLillo
(book club, chosen by Mark)

This was not a popular choice! Unfortuately I missed the discussion as I was away.

The main premise of the book is that a middle-aged couple are both afraid of death, particularly of one of them dying first.

They have a number of children from their marriage and various previous relationships. These children speak in the most unnaturally mature and academic way which is very off-putting. They just don't seem real. Actually, all the characters speak in this way and they just seem pretentious!

For people who talk to each other a lot and constantly ask each other questions, the family members seem distant from each other.

But I did enjoy thinking about how people react to life-threatening situations. Again, the number of incidents that happen to this family seem improbable and again makes the book seem unreal.

I think DeLillo was making some interesting points, but I can't remember what they were - sorry that's not much help!

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:40am.

Feb 22, 2009, 12:56pm (top)Message 41: charbutton



Book 7: The Dud Avocado by Elaine Dundy

The tale of an American woman in 1950s Paris trying to live a Bohemian and modern lifestyle.

Sorry - my memory fails me on this one although I know I enjoyed it!

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:40am.

Feb 22, 2009, 12:58pm (top)Message 42: charbutton



Book 8: The Night Watch by Sarah Walters

Women in 1940s London during the Blitz. A good holiday read, but not much else to say.

Message edited by its author, Mar 22, 2009, 5:40am.

Feb 22, 2009, 1:04pm (top)Message 43: charbutton



Book 9: The Last Mughal by William Dalrymple

This tells the story of the 1857 mutiny in which Hindu and Muslim soldiers in the British army mutineed after numerous incidents of cultural and religious insensitivies committed by the British.

Dalrymple focuses on what happened in Delhi during this period. The atrocities committed on both sides were horrific - Christians massacred and then Delhi's citizens massacred in revenge.

I like Dalrymple's writing style and he uses a good range of primary sources. He also does good foot and end notes!

One of the most interesting aspects of this book was understanding how closely Hindu and Muslim culture have been linked in the past. This was something we noticed in India - a mosque including Hindu scuplture, for example. I'd be interested to know to what extent this exists today. I think the media present Islam as incredibly insular and hostile to outside influences, but it obviously wasn't always so.

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Feb 22, 2009, 1:06pm (top)Message 44: charbutton

Unfinished book: The Unconsoled by Kazuo Ishiguro

A pianist arrives in a European city to play a performance he knows nothing about but everyone else does. He meets people he doesn't know, but then remembers that he does know them.

I spent the first 80 pages thinking: What?...What?...What?

The in-flight movies were much more enjoyable.

Has anyone read this? Should I persevere with it?

Feb 22, 2009, 4:34pm (top)Message 45: avaland

charbutton, thanks for the notes on your trip. Sounds like it was really exciting and interesting. I'd like to go to India some day.

Feb 22, 2009, 5:39pm (top)Message 46: ciridan

If I'm not mistaken, Cat's Eye was the first Atwood novel I read. And I think it's one of my favorite. The Robber Bride is on my shelf unread, but maybe I should put it on my list TBR soon.

Message edited by its author, Feb 22, 2009, 5:40pm.

Feb 23, 2009, 3:35am (top)Message 47: pamelad

charbutton, enjoying your reviews and hearing about your trip to India. I much preferred The Remains of the Day but think The Unconsoled is worth persevering with. Also very keen on William Dalrymple, particularly From the Holy Mountain.

Feb 23, 2009, 4:08am (top)Message 48: charbutton

pamelad, have you read White Mughals by Dalrymple? It's about a British man, employed by the East India Company, who marries into the Hyderabadi royal family and 'goes native'. I read it a few years ago, but will re-visit it following my few days in Hyderabad.

Feb 23, 2009, 4:33am (top)Message 49: pamelad

charbutton, yes I have. A few years ago as well, but I remember enjoying it. Haven't read a bad Dalrymple. I've been to India twice, once to the north from Calcutta through Agra and Delhi and to Jaisalmer and once to the south, including Bangalore, Mysore and Bombay. What drew you to Hyderabad?

Feb 23, 2009, 4:46am (top)Message 50: charbutton

We went to Hyderabad mainly because it has a large fort and we didn't have another one on our itinerary! It was a place that made me feel slightly uncomfortable, but I don't think that that's a bad thing and it did give me an entirely different from the other cities we visited.

I'm hoping to visit Kerala in August on the way to Sri Lanka which I think will have a different feel again.

I'd love to visit the North. I'll have to start a campaign to persuade Mr Charbutton that another India wouldn't be totally extravagant (I'm all for the 'spend through the crisis' approach)!

Feb 23, 2009, 4:28pm (top)Message 51: lindsacl

>48: ah, thank you charbutton. After reading post #43 I thought, "I've read that book," but on reading the description I realized no, I hadn't. Couldn't remember the title. It was White Mughals, which was fascinating.

I also enjoyed reading about your trip. I was in India on business a few years ago and didn't see enough of the country to experience its rich variety, but I do share some of your experiences & perspective. I'd love to return and see more.

Feb 28, 2009, 3:26am (top)Message 52: charbutton



Book 10: Century Rain by Alastair Reynolds

Verity Auger is an archaeologist from 2266 who specialises in Earth artifacts. She is sent on a mission to a hidden planet that is a copy of Earth in 1959, albeit with a few differences - there was no World War Two so none of the technological advances that results happened on this other Earth. Auger is tasked with finding out what happened to a dead colleague.

Part sci-fi, part detective story. Probably not enough sci-fi for me. It's an easy read, but the events and coincidences that carry the plot forward feel too contrived. It was easy to guess what was coming next.

Also, one of the characters is taken from the 1959 Earth into the 2266 reality and doesn't really seem that shocked by it. We don't really get any sense of his thoughts or feelings.

This is the third Reynolds book that I've read and all three have lead female characters all of whom, if I remember rightly, are strong but flawed. It's good to see women in male-authored sci-fi.

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Mar 3, 2009, 6:37pm (top)Message 53: fannyprice

>37, Thanks for posting your thoughts on the trip to India! Very interesting.

Mar 4, 2009, 4:51pm (top)Message 54: charbutton

Thanks fannyprice!

I've posted this on the girlybook group, but thought I would also mention it here.

My thinking about my PhD has finally progressed and I think I'll now be looking at women and drugs in Britain from 1930 - 1960 (rather than alcohol as I originally thought).

I'd like to include representations in literature as part of the discussion - representations of women taking drugs, being treated for drug use and involvment in the drug trade. I'd like to look at fiction, non-fiction, biography, autobiography.

Does anyone have any suggestions about books I should look at?

Mar 4, 2009, 5:06pm (top)Message 55: charbutton



BOOK 11: Go Tell it on the Mountain by James Baldwin
(book club, Zoe's choice)

Johnny Grimes is a 14 year old boy living in Harlem in 1935. He has a difficult relationship with his father, a preacher. Johnny is expected to follow in his father's footsteps and preach the word of God. Much the action takes place during the course of a night in which Johnny's world changes. During this night we are also told the stories of his father, mother and aunt - tales of black people growing up as the first generation who were not enslaved.

Andrew O'Hagan is quoted on the back cover: 'A beautiful, enduring, spiritual song of a novel soaked in the Bible and the blues'.

Well, I don't think I quite got it. A lot of the dialogue is couched in religious language - two main characters go through religious conversions that I, as an unbeliever, found hard to get to grips with. I'm not convinced that a man who has sinned greatly, can suddenly find God and everything is fine. I'd be really intersted to understand how people who have found God feel about Baldwin's portrayal of this.

But this novel (I say novel, but there are many elements that are common with Baldwin's own life and religious awakening) did have an impact on me. It made me both angry and sad. Angry that religion is so often tied up with hypocrisy and secrets. Sad that this is the case. And sad that the women in the story are subjected to such treatment by men.

(edited to add that other readers on LT seem to have got much more out of this book than I did. The book club discussion on Monday should be interesting)

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Mar 5, 2009, 6:55am (top)Message 56: reading_fox

Hyderbad must of changed. I was there for a business trip a few years ago, and experienced nothing but charm and helpfullness from all the people I met - although I suppose being cocooned in the business setting did limit my exposure. It's a wonderful country I'd love to explore more of. Isn't it amazing how different the food is to what we call "Indian" over here. But eating rice with your fingers is still just wrong, as is curry for breakfast.

I wasn't convinced Century Rain was Reynolds' strongest work, but did enjoy it. Which others of his have you read? They are all at least as good as CR.

Mar 7, 2009, 4:33am (top)Message 57: charbutton

We saw quite a few business people in the posher part of Hyderabad and did wonder how different the experience of a business traveller would b.

Re. Reynolds, I've also read Revelation Space and Redemption Ark which i really enjoyed. And Chasm City is sitting on my shelf waiting.

Mar 7, 2009, 7:37am (top)Message 58: avaland

Char, have you read Paul McAuley's The Quiet War? Very science-laden SF with some terrific female characters in the forefront. It's described as space opera but I don't think it is.

Mar 7, 2009, 10:03am (top)Message 59: ShyGirl181

I have a feeling that i've probably read way more than that i average about 3 books a day im the local book review student for my high school library

Mar 7, 2009, 11:27am (top)Message 60: charbutton

avaland - thanks for the recommendation. I've out it on my 'to buy' list. I've been looking for sci-fi for book clbu. Do you think The Quiet War could provoke discussion?

Mar 8, 2009, 11:36am (top)Message 61: mdianne

charbutton, enjoyed your travel comments. We toured the south of India last year and hope to do the north soon. Mumbai was my favorite and it brought my favorite book to life. The book is Shantaram and it's a long book based on the life of an Australian prison escapee who end up in Mumbai. His hangout ws Leoplold's and we had a great lunch there with a guide who had s specific Shantaram tour. I'd recommend it to anyone but especially those we like India and it's modern culture.

Mar 8, 2009, 1:27pm (top)Message 62: charbutton

Shantaram has been sitting on my shelf for ages - the length of it has always put me off!

Mar 8, 2009, 1:44pm (top)Message 63: mdianne

I understand but as one who's read it twice (once while in India) I think it's worth the time. I can hardly wait for the movie,J Depp bout the rights and for Gregory's next book to finish the tale. If you do read and like it and get back to India, My favorite guide/travel agent can arrange travel anywhere based on your interests. Did you see Slumdog Millionaire?

Mar 8, 2009, 6:37pm (top)Message 64: avaland

>60 if it is a SF book club, yes. Although one might wish to keep a list of characters and place names. If it is a book club of readers who don't normally read in the genre, you'd do better with something like The Speed of Dark by Elizabeth Moon.

Mar 9, 2009, 3:48am (top)Message 65: charbutton

mdianne - I have seen Slumdog Millionaire, but in Hindi! Weirdly there was a lot less English used this version that in the Bollywood movie we saw the week before. I liked Slumdog and thought the cinematography was excellent, but from what I could gather, the story seemed a bit too contrived.

avaland - sounds like The Quiet War will have to be a personal, rather than group experience! I would like to introduce some sci-fi though. I had thought about The Man in the High Castle (is that classed as SF?). Or The Drowned World by J G Ballard, although I have to say that I don't think I quite understood this book.

Mar 9, 2009, 7:06am (top)Message 66: TadAD

>65: The Man in the High Castle is usually found in the SF section of the bookstore simply because that's where all speculative stuff goes. However, it's probably a misleading introduction to SF since it's really an Alternate History book rather than mainstream SF.

Mar 9, 2009, 7:50am (top)Message 67: charbutton

hmmmm. I'm not sure a suggestion of a proper SF book would be that welcome! Any ideas on a mainstream SF work that can lead to a couple of hours of discussion by non-SF readers??

Mar 9, 2009, 8:31am (top)Message 68: TadAD

>67: charbutton

I'm not saying you shouldn't do The Man in the High Castle...just that you should make it clear that this is a small sub-genre of speculative fiction.

As for other possibilities, there are a couple of concepts that usually get argument going:

Gender Roles

The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood can provoke a lot of discussion about the role of women in society. It's a distopian work where women are subjugated because most of the population has become sterile from nuclear and biological pollution.

The Gate to Women's Country by Sheri Tepper tackles the exact same theme, but from 180° opposite—women have taken control of society, relegating men to roles as warriors and studs. A highly controversial work that tends to generate a lot of argument.

War

Heinlein's Starship Troopers can promote discussions about fascism. Though the vehicle is just a science fiction action story, the political/philosophical essay lurks very close to the surface and can get you going about militarism segueing into discussions of pre-World War I Prussia, etc.

Haldeman's The Forever War is on the other side of the argument, clearly a protest against war. Haldeman was a Viet Nam veteran and his book focuses on the inhumanity of war, the social dislocation of returning soldiers, etc.

Religion

Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land usually gets people going. It certainly does me...

Philip K. Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (the movie "Blade Runner" was based on this) can bring up questions about cloning, souls, etc.

Environment

Tepper's A Plague of Angels is a discussion about the environment pre-built for the reader. Neil Stephenson's Zodiac brings up the subject of environmental terrorism.

Distopias

Orwell's 1984, Huxley's Brave New World, Rand's Anthem, Burgess' A Clockwork Orange all can get discussions going. However, the discussions are often one-sided because you often get of a lot of people just agreeing that "it was horrible."

The impact of technology on individuals can be seen in various cyberpunk . However, they tend to be hard to read for newcomers since they are often highly technical. William Gibson's Neuromancer is probably the most famous and still one of the best.

That's just some ideas that come to mind immediately. I've never tried to figure out what might be a good discussion SF book for a non-SF crowd.

Mar 9, 2009, 11:54am (top)Message 69: arubabookwoman

Replay by Ken Grimwood is a good science fiction book about a man who is forced to live his life over and over again. My (non-Sci-fi) book club had a great discussion with this book.

Also I have read, really liked, but don't remember much about The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell which has gotten lots of good recommendations on LT.

Mar 9, 2009, 2:17pm (top)Message 70: bobmcconnaughey

http://www.nicholaswhyte.info/sf/nebhug....
the above site is very informative - the reviewer is going through books and short stories that have won both the hugo and nebula awards (joint winners) and writing short, but very cogent reviews, of them. I don't think Mr Whyte has finished his project, but what he's done is excellent.

#65 - can i suggest a collection of short stories? Ted Chiang's Stories of your life and others as maybe an ideal intro to SF for a book club? Each story is essentially a thought experiment Chiang takes a premise (and it can be a scientific one or a theological one or a mathematical one) and works out the consequences. He writes very cleanly and thoughtfully. But there is also a strong emotional undertow in most of his stories.

I'd stay away from High Castle too, not that it's not one of Dick's best books, and short, but not so sfish.

Instead of Neuromancer (which IS a classic) i might substitute Gibson's Burning Chrome - another collection of short stories..and his writing defn improved rapidly.

For something very different - Australian SF author Sean McMullen, souls in the great machine is a fascinating tale, longer than the other suggestions, about the importance of librarians/knowledge in a post holocaust society..The "great machine" is a computer..but one in which all the components are human.

An older, classic and still very readable post holocaust novel is Canticle for Leibowitz - one of the books that got me hooked into SF at an impressionable age. But adults can enjoy it just as much as young teens, i'd think.

For goodness sakes not stranger in a strange land the ur hippie sf book of the 60s and a favorite of Charles Manson's.

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Mar 9, 2009, 3:15pm (top)Message 71: TadAD

Canticle for Leibowitz is rough for many, I think. Though I love it, many I've recommended it to have said "meh" or "too much filler" or "I needed a (*$ Latin dictionary". I'd steer clear of that one unless that is an acceptable reaction in your book club.

ETA: See, I told you SiaSL provoked reactions...!!

The interesting thing about it how many people it gets going. You can object because it was so over-hyped, because of the anti-Christianity message that some read into it, because of the sexual freedom or the homo-eroticism, because of the cannibalism, etc. It just gets people going.

My personal peeve was the pontificating, but that's just me. Maybe if I was about five or six years older (child of the 60s instead of 70s) it would have resonated more with me.

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Mar 9, 2009, 6:15pm (top)Message 72: bobmcconnaughey

for me it SiaSL was just an early example of RAH's creation of solipsistic fantasy images of his own ayn randy uber self. He got progressively.. ever more obsessed w/ literary self-gratification through his primary characters as he got older.

Another classic that i suspect has aged well, though i haven't reread it for ~ 20yr would be Frank Herbert's Dune. In a way, Dune is to the SF corpus what the Lord of the Rings is to high fantasy. The creation of a comprehensive physical (geographic) environment, that is "world building" is key to both works and both have been much imitated in their respective genres, often poorly (esp. in fantasy). If you do go w/ Herbert..stick with the first book - there is a whole post Dune, Dune industry, begun by Herbert and then carried on by family, friends, enemies to judge by the prose. Both Canticle and Dune are pretty long.

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Mar 9, 2009, 6:27pm (top)Message 73: rebeccanyc

#61, mdianne & #62, charbutton

For a look at contemporary Mumbai, I greatly preferred Sacred Games by Vikram Chandra to Shantaram. Equally long, it is much more ambitious in its scope (and doesn't always succeed), but I found it more compelling, deeper, and less self-aggrandizing. I know Shantaram has lots of fans, and I did read it all through, but I just didn't find it very satisfying. Incidentally, I've heard there's a whole Shantaram industry in India, with Shantaram tours and copies in hotel rooms.

Mar 9, 2009, 6:42pm (top)Message 74: TadAD

>72: I don't think anything beats Heinlein's Time Enough For Love when it comes to self-obsession. Let's not even get into the Freudian aspects of having sex with your clone...

As for Dune, I think it's arguably the best SF book written and the sequels are arguably some of the worst. ;-) In fact, a number of my reviews refer to The Dune Syndrome—a great first book followed by an endless stream of crap as the author (or his heirs) cash in. Not sure how much discussion Dune would provoke, I think discussion good discussion in book clubs requires a certain element of controversy, but it's certainly a great book on its own and something everyone who wants to experience SF should try.

Mar 9, 2009, 8:59pm (top)Message 75: avaland

Char, if your book group is mostly women, I'd recommend Tad's suggested titles under Gender Roles or Dystopias. I would add to that the book I mentioned in #64 Speed of Dark which was marketed over here in the mainstream shelves and also in the SF shelves. It's about a young autistic man who is offered an experimental treatment that could make him 'normal'. It's really a meditation on identity, individuality and what it means to be 'normal'. Also, while at the store, I recommended The Sparrow(as Aruba has mentioned) to a variety of book groups (again, mostly women) who were looking for something different (and most of them actually liked it). I agree with Bob, stay away from the Heinlein. I am always very cautious with SF virgins (or near virgins), one wants their experience to be positive with the genre.

A couple of other SF titles which sold on the mainstream shelves: Kindred by Octavia Butler (non-technical time travel, slavery) and The Secret by Eva Hoffman (cloning, self-identity)(what? no touchstone!). Both were quite good.

Mar 9, 2009, 9:28pm (top)Message 76: arubabookwoman

Another good book, kind of in the vein of Kindred is The Falling Woman by Pat Murphy.

Mar 9, 2009, 10:20pm (top)Message 77: mdianne

I tried another V Chandra once and couldn't get into it but several people have suggested this one so I will give it a go...it sounds like one I'd enjoy. thx

Mar 9, 2009, 10:24pm (top)Message 78: TadAD

A third book for gender roles is Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness. Unlike the other two I mentioned, this book is set on a planet where the "normal" inhabitants are hermaphroditic. This ambiguity lets the author play with gender roles quite a bit. Plus, it's a good story. :-)

Mar 9, 2009, 10:26pm (top)Message 79: mdianne

I am not an SF fan but really enjoyed The Sparrow because of the near timeframe. It was painful to read but those in my book club who persevered, were glad they did. The discussion however, was not as lively as it could have been.

Mar 9, 2009, 11:16pm (top)Message 80: pamelad

I hardly ever read science fiction, but Karel Capek's War with the Newts was one of the best books I read last year. Czech, first published in 1936.

Mar 10, 2009, 6:13pm (top)Message 81: mdianne

>62 Char, Slumdog Millionaire was "westernized Bollyood" , if that makes sense but I thought the movie was better than the book Q&A on which it was based.

Mar 11, 2009, 3:47am (top)Message 82: charbutton

Wow, thanks so much for all the SF suggestions. I'll do some investigating of all these titles at the weekend. As well as choosing something for book club, I think my personal TBR list will also grow!

Mar 11, 2009, 4:05am (top)Message 83: charbutton



BOOK 12: Fire and Steam: How the Railways Transformed Britain by Christian Wolmar

Having read and enjoyed Wolmar's history of the London Underground, I was very pleased to receive this book from Christmas from Mr Charbutton. He knows how to keep his geek girl happy!

Wolmar gives a comprehensive overview of the development of Britain's railway system. It's very interesting, particularly the section on privatisation which I was too young to fully understand when it happened. I also hadn't realised how heavily the railways were used during the wars and the impact these two periods had on the system - no investment or real repair work happening despite the unprecedented levels of use, and a similar story in the immediate post-war years. Most interesting was the number of missed opportunities and the wrong emphasis in policy that stopped trains from effectively competing with cars/lorries. As Wolmar writes, government 'expenditure on roads has always been deemed to be investment, while rail spending has been classified as subsidy'.

My only criticism is that I don't think the book does actually explain properly 'how the railways transformed Britain'. He does touch on the development of towns and suburbs because of the railway, the new leisure opportunitites that opened up to the working class and the development of railway unions. But I think much more could have been included such as personal accounts of people using trains for the first time and perhaps a case study of an area that was transformed, rather than a brief mention of several locations where this happened. I accept Wolmar's explanation that there is much missing from the book because the subject is so large, but the book is only 318 pages long so I think there was room for more social history.

(touchstones not working)

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Mar 20, 2009, 2:21am (top)Message 84: charbutton

Duplicate copy: The Savage Detectives by Roberto Bolano

My library is getting too big to keep track of. Last night I purchased this book, not remembering that my other half had bought it for me only a couple of weeks ago!

So does anyone want to claim it? I'm happy to send it outside the UK as long as you can wait for surface mail.

Mar 20, 2009, 3:33am (top)Message 85: charbutton



BOOK 13: The Mitfords: Letters Between Six Sisters edited by Charlotte Mosley

At just over 800 pages this collection of letters, covering the period 1925 to 2003, is a long but very interesting read.

The Mitford sisters were born between 1904 and 1920. They are Nancy (writer), Pamela (rural, farming type), Diana (fascist), Unity (Hitler-adoring fascist), Jessica (communist) and Deborah (Duchess of Devonshire). Crude descriptions of each but these are the ones that Charlotte Mosley uses to help the reader quickly recognise who is writing to whom.

I've started the next part of this review several times - it's so hard to decide how to tackle a work that covers so many subjects and involves so many people. So...I'll just put down random thoughts as they come and see how that goes.

The letters provide a fascinating insight into family relationships and reinforce the adage that you can't choose your family. Up to about 1960 there is little emotional detail in the letters, even when children die and divorces happen. Of course there are major political disagreements between the sisters but it is only as Nancy and Jessica being to publish their memoirs that more emotional thoughts come to the forefront. I think this is the most interesting aspect of the book for me. Nancy and Jessica both write about their horrible childhood experiences and are scathing about their parents. This does not accord with the remembrances of Diana, Deborah and Pamela (Unity died in 1948). They feel that N and J have been deeply disloyal, a feeling that lasts well into old age for all of them and is reinforced by various Mitford biographies that repeat these semtiments over the years. However, in 2000 Diana revisits some of Pamela's letters from 1925 and is surprised by "how unfairly strict Muv seems to have been". Memories of childhood are so subjective.

I also enjoyed seeing how the relationships between the sisters changed over time and distance. For example, once Nancy has died Deborah and Diana become much more critical about her and often discuss her dishonesty and other dislikeable character traits that were merely hinted at when she's alive.

The sisters' relationships with men are also interesting. Diana and Nancy fall deeply for men with very strong and really quite unpleasant characters, but they stay true to them and defend them to the last. Many of Diana's letters talk about her efforts to deflect criticism of her husband, Oswald Mosley.

The breadth of experiences the sisters have is astounding. Diana spent time in Holloway prison during the war because of her husband's political activitites. Jessica elopes with a communist. Deborah turns into a skilled business women and transforms Chatsworth House into one of the UK's most visited tourist attractions. Nancy receives the Legion d'Honneur. They all eventually publish books. And they knew so many people, from Evelyn Waugh to JFK to Nicki Lauder.

I suppose one can't review this book without mentioning fascism. Unity was absolutely obsessed with Hitler and engineered a meeting with him in 1935 that led to a friendship that lasted until 1939 when Unity tried to kill herself after the declaration of war. It's so hard to understand her. In 1935 she wrote "the Fuhrer was heavenly...he talked a lot about Jews, which was lovely". I found this absolutely chilling. I'm surprised that only Jessica condemned Unity's behaviour outright. I suppose that, as with Diana's relationship with Oswald Mosley, Unity found Hitler to be very charasmatic and she agreed with much of his politics. I guess she wasn't the only one.

I feel like I haven't even begun to do justice to this collection, but hopefully it has given a flavour of the women and their letters.

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Mar 20, 2009, 8:34am (top)Message 86: avaland

>84 check with chrissharpe, I know he was saying something about it being very expensive in Venezuela (or perhaps it was another Bolano title). Or you could mention it on the Bolano thread.

Mar 21, 2009, 3:56am (top)Message 87: charbutton



BOOK 14: A View of the Harbour by Elizabeth Taylor

Not the most amazing book I've ever read, but enjoyable. Set in a small English seaside town that has seen better days, the story focuses mainly on the lives of the women of the town, their loves, sadnesses and hopes.

What I liked most about Taylor's writing was that I immediately felt the suffocation of living in such a small place where everything you do is noted by everyone else. Also, the sexual and emotional frustrations of many of the characters make the pages almost throb in parts!

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Mar 22, 2009, 6:12am (top)Message 88: lindsacl

>87: I really enjoyed this one. Taylor's character studies were excellent. And, like you, I felt she did a wonderful job of evoking the feelings of living in a small town.

Mar 22, 2009, 9:09am (top)Message 89: cabegley

>85: I enjoyed your comments about the letters. I've also read a biography of the Mitford sisters (The Sisters: The Saga of the Mitford Family by Mary S. Lovell) and I thought reading the letters gave me a much clearer picture of the women and their personalities, as well as the dynamics of the relationships. And I agree about Unity's letters--disturbing.

Mar 23, 2009, 8:51am (top)Message 90: TadAD

>85: That sounds interesting. I just finished Mosley's collection of some of Nancy's articles, A Talent to Annoy and am planning to look around for some more Mitford "stuff". The Mitfords sounds like one to include in the list.

Mar 23, 2009, 10:27am (top)Message 91: charbutton

I'd definitely like to read more by and about them. Does anyone know of a good, impartial biography? I'd like to understand why the media had such a fascination with the Mitfords. They themselves seem to have found it strange. I suppose it part of it was that they were very well-connected. I had assumed that it was also because they were constantly on the social scene, but the impression I got from their letters was quite different. I guess the connections to Hitler guaranteed that interest in them would continue over the years.

Mar 24, 2009, 12:06pm (top)Message 92: charbutton



BOOK 15: Someone at a Distance by Dorothy Whipple

Whipple seems to divide opinion - some people love her, some people don't. Unfortunately I think I am part of the second group.

Someone at a Distance is the story of an English middle-class family soon after World War Two. Ellen and her husband Avery live a blissful life in the country with two wonderful children. However a young-ish French woman, Louise, comes into their lives and upsets the tranquility. The story follows the family before, during and after its breakdown.

My quibble is that the characters are so one-dimensional. Ellen is naive and domestic; Avery is selfish and complacent; Louise is manipulative and cruel; the children are happy and loving. There is no surprise about Avery's behaviour or the fact the ultimately his wife forgives him. There's no emotional depth.

Having said that, I did find it engrossing as the crisis happened, although my interest waned quickly afterwards.

There was one stand-out quote. Louise is left by herself for a day in Ellen and Avery's house and proceeds to search through all their belongings. Whipple describes the house as 'defenceless' against this action. It conjured up a wonderful image of the house mentally shrugging its shoulders as if to say" well what do you expect if you leave some like her here alone".

I also got a bit annoyed about Persephone Books as they all seem to be focused on the middle or upper middle classes. Perhaps this a reflection of the owners' tastes? Surely there must be some undiscovered or forgotten working-class writers from the early 20th century who are worth publishing??

Mar 24, 2009, 12:18pm (top)Message 93: christiguc

charbutton, have you read Doreen by Barbara Noble? It's published by Persephone and deals more with the working-class (and their relation to the upper-middle class). I read it last year and really enjoyed it.

Mar 24, 2009, 12:40pm (top)Message 94: charbutton

Thanks for the suggestion - I think I was in a particularly ranting mood earlier!

Mar 25, 2009, 4:13pm (top)Message 95: lindsacl

>91: I'd like to understand why the media had such a fascination with the Mitfords. Me, too. While I enjoyed Pursuit of Love I haven't been inspired to read other works about the Mtifords, b/c I don't think I "get" why they are "important".

Mar 28, 2009, 7:39am (top)Message 96: charbutton



BOOK 16: Palestine by Joe Sacco

Sacco spent a couple of months in Palestine in the early 1990s during the first intfada. This book is a collection of the comic strips that he wrote about that experience and the stories he heard.

Overall this was an interesting read and it certainly depicted the relentlessly grim lives that Palestinians live. It also shows up the absurdities and injustices of the occupation.

The main questions I had when reading this were about Sacco himself, rather than the subject of Israel/Palestine. He is asked by several people what good he thinks his book would do; he doesn't really answer this. I'm not sure that there is a simple answer, but I would like to know how he justifies asking people to relive very traumatic memories for the sake of his comic. I'm not sure what impact a book like this has - isn't he just preaching to the converted? It reminds me of Michael Moore's books - do they really change minds or do they only appeal to those who already think like him?

I also had difficulties with Sacco's authorial 'voice'. The thoughts he express are mainly about his journalistic interest - trying to get eye witness accounts, looking for the goriest stories, always aware of finding scenes that will look good as a picture. Perhaps the stories were too horrific and too numerous to absorb and he had to create some kind of emotional distance.

Having said all this, Palestine did have an emotional impact on me and, a few days later, I'm still thinking about the stories he presents and the kind of lives people have to live there. It's also prompted me to look up some histories of the region paticularly about British involvement which I know very little about.

Mar 30, 2009, 6:44am (top)Message 97: charbutton



BOOK 17: Vida by Marge Piercy

Vida is a miltant social activist on the run in the early 1980s after her involvement in bombing campaigns in the 70s. We follow part of her life on the run and get flashbacks of her life as an activist and her early experiences underground.

Overall a good read - I was interested in her story. But I did find Vida annoying and frustrating. She puts up with some really unattractive behaviour in her men. She hooks up with a young man who is irrationally jealous and possessive and I don't understand why she stays with him. I also found her politics difficult - she seems to dismiss her sister's women's group because they focus on rape as an important issue. She doesn't feel that this is relevant to her life, despite her experience of being forced to have sex with her husband.

I also became frustrated with the power plays going on between various members of her underground network and the attitudes of male members to their female colleagues. But that's probably a realistic representation of how things were!

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Apr 1, 2009, 7:14pm (top)Message 98: avaland

Char, I came across this book recently while perusing the winter 2008-09 University of Massachusetts press catalog:

Inventing the Addict: Drugs, Race, and Sexuality in Nineteenth-Century British and American Literature by Susan Zieger. (came out Nov. 08 in hardcover & paperback)

"Reconstructs the literary and cultural history of addiction from the nineteenth to the twentieth century."

I know it's not the same thing you are researching, but I thought of you (one century does lead to another).

Apr 2, 2009, 1:59am (top)Message 99: urania1

Char,

I enjoyed your review of The Mitfords: Letters Between Six Sisters. I have read a lot by and about the Mitford sisters. As you note, Unity's response to Hitler is chilling. He must have been one charismatic man * shudder *. I must put this book on my wishlist.

Apr 2, 2009, 3:07pm (top)Message 100: charbutton

avaland, thank you so much for letting me know about this book. It sounds really interesting and I'll check it out at the British Library.

urania1, Unity sure was one strange lady.

Apr 19, 2009, 2:56am (top)Message 101: charbutton



BOOK 18: The Sorrows of an American by Siri Hustvedt

A beautifully written book that explores grief, memory, family, love. Erik, Davidsen, the narrator, is coming to terms with his father's death. Erik is going through his father's papers and discovers a letter that hints at a dark secret. We follow Erik as he explores his father's life, and as his sister deals with the repercussions of her husband's death.

I really enjoy Hustvedt's writing, although I think a lot of the psychology and deeper meanings are lost on me. This is a post-9/11 book, the attacks are witnessed by Erik's grand-daughter and have a profound affect on her. Is the book then about a wider grief, one felt by American society in the wake of this event? But I might be reading too much into it. I'd like to read more books written after 9/11 to understand more about how authors are addressing it.

Apr 19, 2009, 3:12am (top)Message 102: charbutton



BOOK 19: Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil by John Berendt
(book club, Yashoda's choice)

This is a ficionalised account of a murder and subsequent trial that took place in Savannah, Georgia.

An awful book. I don't understand why it was so popular. The characters are one-dimensional caricatures that I can't believe they are based on real people. It's like a tick-box exercise of 'edgy' characters. Troubled teen? Tick. Secretly gay man? Tick. Drag queen? Tick. Loveable rogue? Tick.

What I found most annoying was the lack of a narrative voice. The book is written in the first person, presumably John Berendt, an outsider who is immediately (and so unbelievably) welcomed into the arms of Savannahian society. We see all the characters through his eyes and yet we are given none of his thoughts. We never know whether he believes in the guilt or innocence of the murderer. All we know is that he is interested Savannah. I can see that he could want to present an objective view that allows readers to make up their own minds, but it just doesn't work for me.

Also as John Berendt is a journalist, I'm surprised at his lack of investigative interest in the potential stories in the town. He seems to take everything that he is told at face value. For example, he visits a housing estate founded by a rich local for poor black people. Berendt and the founder talk to a black woman who expresses he pleasure at living in the area. Why doesn't he go back and talk to people independently? I know this isn't the focus of the book, but it could have given more depth to the work.

We did have an interesting discussion at book club, and everyone felt pretty much the same although one of my friends really like the drag queen character to the amazement of everyone else!

Apr 19, 2009, 7:45am (top)Message 103: rebeccanyc

#101 I'd like to read more books written after 9/11 to understand more about how authors are addressing it.

I am suspicious of "post-9/11" novels based on my experience with The Emperor's Children by Claire Messud, in which the 9/11 component seemed extraneous, tacked on to be "relevant" and "up to date." OK, I didn't like the rest of the book either, but this was the icing on the cake. My point is that in some books I've looked at but not bought, the inclusion of the 9/11 attacks seems almost exploitative.

That said, I can recommend Netherland by Joseph O'Neill; the story takes place post-9/11 but is informed by the feelings of the characters afterwards rather than directly involving the attacks.

And the first part of A Disorder Peculiar to the Country by Ken Kalfus is really funny (yes) about 9/11, but about half-way through the book descended into too much literary disorder for me.

Apr 19, 2009, 9:43am (top)Message 104: charbutton

I think I share your suspicions. But is it possible for an American author to write about 2001 onwards without some kind of reference to 9/11? Would it seem strange to US writers if it is obviously not mentioned? I wouldn't expect a novel set in London in the 70s, 80s or 90s or 2005 to have to mention bombings, but I suppose they have less symbolic impact than we are led to believe that 9/11 had on American life.

Apr 19, 2009, 9:57am (top)Message 105: charbutton



BOOK 20: Blood in the Fruit by L.Timmel Duchamp

The fourth in the Marq'ssan Cycle of five works which recount the events after the Marq'ssan, an alien race, intervene to prevent the human race becoming a trans-galactic aggressor.

Prior to the Marq'ssan's intervention, the Executive was the transnational ruling elite, a system in which gender behaviour and sexuality are strictly delineated. After the intervention and series of wars, alternative 'political' systems develop around the world. One of these is the Free Zone, a co-operative based around Seattle. The Zone is 'run' by a committee of feminist anarchists (I'm not sure you can say that anarchists run anything, but can't think of a better word!).

Book 4 follows a member of the Executive world who has turned renegade and escaped to the Free Zone. Except she hasn't converted to the Zone's ideas, she is simply re-grouping to launch a takeover of the Executive. However, the 'leaders' of the Free Zone help her and provide her with access to the Marq'ssan, in return for help in freeing politcal prisoners.

As in the previous three books, Duchamp poses interesting questions (I've posted a review of the third book, Tsunami on LT which details some of the key points raised in that book). How far should the Free Zoners co-operate with the renegade to further their own aims? I think they're involved in a deeper and more dangerous game than they realise.

This did feel a little bit like a filler before the final instalment, but I still enjoyed it and can't wait to start book 5.

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Apr 19, 2009, 10:25am (top)Message 106: charbutton



BOOK 21: The Edwardians by Vita Sackville-West

An enjoyable book about the life and loves of a young Edwardian man as he comes of age and begins to question his role in the world. V S-W gently pokes fun at London society of the early 1900s, while pointing to the profound political and social changes that were on the horizon.

A couple of phrases stood out for me. The first: "Truth was a germ that should only surreptitiously be let loose on an unvaccinated world. Then, it might usefully breed, and kill."

The second, a mother's authority "shrivelled as muslin in a fire". A very striking image!

V S-W's mentions of Jewish people did bother me though. The Jewish characters are welcomed into the London elite only because of their wealth. There are a number of disparaging remarks about them and I seem to remember the same kind of thing in another of her books (No Signposts in the Sea maybe?). I don't know enough about V S-W to know if these comments represent her views or she was simply reflcting the opinions of the type of people she was writing about. Either way, it's unpleasant to read.

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Apr 19, 2009, 11:28am (top)Message 107: rebeccanyc

104, I can't speak for the rest of the country, but in NYC, where as a physical fact we have a gaping hole where two towers used to stand, I would say that aside from the people who were personally affected by the attacks, there are probably many people who feel greater anxiety (and certainly did immediately after the attacks), and of course who no longer feel "it can't happen here."

But in my opinion, the biggest impact on the US of the 9/11 attacks has been the US response: the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush administration assaults on civil liberties and the rule of law.

Apr 19, 2009, 5:04pm (top)Message 108: arubabookwoman

Rebecca and Charbutton

Have either of you read DeLillo's Falling Man? Its theme and focus are the effects of 9/11 on its main characters. I like DeLillo, but don't think this is up to his best work. It's still an interesting read.

Oh and Rebecca I agree with what you said about the impact of the attacks on the US--and I am almost convinced that this was part of what the attacks were intended to provoke.

Apr 19, 2009, 5:30pm (top)Message 109: avaland

>107 Well said, Rebecca. Beyond literature set in NYC, especially in the immediate years after 9/11, I think the effects of 9/11 are less obvious, but still there -- perhaps, they will not be seen until we are decades beyond it. And, much of that, inextricably tied to the points Rebecca made in >107. I was thinking of Susan Faludi's Terror Dream and her theory of a sort of cultural regression in the years following 9/11. Cranking up the macho (remember all that 'old west' type talk in the Bush administration), championing 'traditional' women's roles...etc. all to cover up our vulnerability. She believes our American myths often developed as a defense around feeling very vulnerable. She doesn't talk about literature, per se, in the book, but I see some of what she is talking about in books - The Road being a fine example of this. I've oversimplified the Faludi, of course, and perhaps my whole thought here, but you probably get my drift. I'm sure there will be a fair number of future dissertations on post 9/11 literature. . .

Apr 19, 2009, 10:08pm (top)Message 110: Cariola

>103 I think it is probably too soon yet to adddress the significance of 9/11. It was such a devastating event, on a national basis, that it will take some time to assimilate its meaning and impact. So far, any of the related novels I've read have been disappointing. The closest was Harbor by Lorraine Adams, which is taken from a different POV.

Apr 19, 2009, 10:11pm (top)Message 111: Cariola

(I used to have recurring nightmare. I would wake up hearing the moans of people being sucked into a void, like the ground was devouring them. I haven't had this dream since 9/11. Make of it what you will.)

Apr 20, 2009, 1:10am (top)Message 112: tomcatMurr

I agree with Cariola, that it's too soon to expect anything great as a response to 9.11. DeLillo's book is a case in point. It had all the hallmarks of being hurredly written and poorly thought through, unlike his other work.

Charbutton, I must thank you for the review of the Berendt book. It has been on my TBR pile for years now, and it's always good to take a book off it! I adored the movie, and wanted to read the book on the strength of it; now I shall not bother. I love the drag queen, and the movie comes to life whenever s/he appears; and KD Laing's soundtrack is brilliant.

Apr 20, 2009, 3:18am (top)Message 113: charbutton

tomcat - I should point out that there are glowing reviews of Berendt's book on LT so you might want to look at those before definitely striking it from your pile. I would hate to deprive you of a book you might enjoy!

Thanks for the 9/11 comments. I suppose something like this poses a challenge for artists. They will want to create an immediate response to it, but as some of you have said, this often isn't successful.

I've been trying to think of an event in the past that could provide a useful comparison to see how writers have responded over time. Perhaps Rwanda? It was a very fast-moving event that impacted on a whole nation (and beyond). Perhaps I'll look at this during my summer of African books.

Apr 20, 2009, 9:14am (top)Message 114: avaland

>110 I had completely forgotten about Harbor, a stellar book! I think this is an interesting topic to pull into its own thread. Hope you all won't mind me copying & pasting some of your messages over to get it started...

Apr 20, 2009, 9:31am (top)Message 115: rebeccanyc

I agree with the people who think that more time/perspective is probably needed for "9/11 books," but there is still something to be said for books written in the immediate rawness of the moment. Theoretically, anyway.

May 4, 2009, 3:24pm (top)Message 116: charbutton

As it's now May, my summer of African reading has begun. For the next 5 months or so I'll be focusing on boooks by African writers, non-African writers writing about Africa and non-fiction about the continent.

There are a couple of reasons for this. First, I made a throw-away comment at book club a couple of months ago, that I feel like I've 'done' the Indian experience. Very arrogant of me, and of course I haven't but it feels like I've read a lot of books by Indian and British indian writers. Anyway, it got me thinking that I've read very little by African authors.

Secondly, I have a very long list of places in the world that I want to visit and Africa never appears on it (apart from Marrakech which I have already visited). For some reason the continent hasn't piqued my interest. So this is kind of a quest to see if my interest develops as I read more.

I'll be posting the books I read here and in my thread on the Reading Globally thread here. My reviews will probably be copied from one thread to another, so apologies for the repetition!

I'm happy for people to post thoughts on either thread.

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May 4, 2009, 3:33pm (top)Message 117: polutropos

Hey Char,

what a wonderful reason to start reading a literature: to see whether you develop interest.

My own reading of African literature is very limited, but there are certainly two classics which have stayed with me. Achebe's Things Fall Apart is one, a "relentlessly unsentimental rendering of Nigerian tribal life before and after the coming of colonialism." The other is Paton's Cry, the Beloved Country, "the most influential South African novel ever written".

I will be very interested in your journey.

May 4, 2009, 3:54pm (top)Message 118: charbutton



BOOK 22: The State of Africa: A History of Fifty Years of Independence by Martin Meredith

God, what a depressing book. Meredith presents the story of African independence as unremittingly grim. The barbarity of colonial powers, the dictatorships, civil war, genocide, starvation, poverty seem to have been repeated in nearly every single country. I don't know anywhere near enough about African political history to know if Meredith's accounts are objective, but his book seems like a good place to start my African journey as it covers many countries.

The thing I keep coming back to is that immediately after independence so many countries espoused socialism/Marxism yet their leaders, the so-called Big Men, raped and pillaged their countries perhaps more than colonial powers.

Why did African's substitute one imported power structure (colonialism) for another imported theory (socialism)? I can understand the attraction of a theory that calls for equality after oppression of the majority. But why didn't Africa develop its own structures suited to its political and social environment? I suppose the main reason was that Africans played so little part in the administration of their countries that no one had had the opportunity to experience power or civil service at first hand. Meredith mentions that at the time of independence one country (can't remember which) had only 8 black accountants.

Secondly, what was it about African countries that led so many of them to become one-party dictatorships? The rule of the Big Men is grotesquely fascinating. It's so hard to understand how the people in power siphoned off billions of dollars (I'm not not holding up the 'West' as an example of perfect economic management, far from it). And why after espousing the rhetoric of equality and liberation, were these leaders so oppressive and cruel?

Meredith's work has provided a good platform from which I can go forward and try and find some answers.

One criticism I do have is that while Meredith mentions Botswana as 'a unique example of enduring multi-party democracy with a record of sound economic management...free of corruption' yet the story of this country is not told. It would have been really interesting to read about Botswana's story to try and understand how that country seems to have taken a very different path to those around it.

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May 4, 2009, 4:24pm (top)Message 119: charbutton

Things Fall Apart is my next book and I've chosen it for book club, so hopefully it will provide for an interesting discussion.

I'll look up the Paton book, thanks for the suggestion.

May 4, 2009, 4:28pm (top)Message 120: christiguc

One of my favorite books last quarter was At the Still Point by Mary Benson (a South African). I notice you have it in your library--have you read it yet?

May 4, 2009, 4:34pm (top)Message 121: charbutton

I didn't even know I had that one! I have a bad habit of buying any green VMC I see without properly taking in what they are! Thanks for pointing it out for me.

I think I'm going to have to write a list of my planned reading and the author's countyr of origin to make sure that I get a decent spread. I think it would be easy to get caught up in books just by South African authors for the whole summer. I know that when Mr charbutton researched African books to buy for my birthday he found that SA writers predominate.

May 6, 2009, 1:19pm (top)Message 122: charbutton



BOOK 23: Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe
(book club - my choice)

I don't think I would have picked up this book if it hadn't been my African summer as it's about a man in a rural setting - not where my usual interests lie!

It took me a while to get into, but I ended up really liking this book. Briefly, it's the story of Okonkwo, a well-respected warrior living in a West African village at the time that white men were beginning to 'civilise' the continent (so anywhere from late 18th to mid-19th century?).

The book is simply written with a basic plot, but is still interesting. Achebe touches on many issues - patriarchy and paternalism, tribalism, religion and the impact of colonisation.

I'm still thinking through what Achebe is saying about Africa/Nigeria through this work and I need to do some more research on what was happening in Nigeria at the time and on Achebe himself. So my thoughts are kind of unformed at the moment.

One point that has struck me is about leadership in the book (following on from the previous book and thinking about the 'Big Men'). In Okonkwo's tribe, there are elders (all men of course), but there seems to be no one leader. So the Big Men may not come from a tradition of chiefs which I thought would be the case. I wonder if Okonkwo is representative of leadership in Africa/Nigeria - once the white men appear, African leadership structures die and that is one of the roots of the dificulties experienced after independence.

The gender dynamics of the tribe are interesting, if not that surprising. Male members are often condemned for showing what are considered to be feminine traits. Oknonkwo's wives wait on him hand and foot.

Although the language Achebe uses is simple, there are some really lovely touches in the dialogue. In one example, Okonwo's friend Obierika has brought him money he is owed:

Okonkwo: I do not know how to thank you.
Obierika: I can tell you. Kill one of your sons for me.
Okonkwo: That will not be enough.
Obierika: Then kill yourself
Okonkwo (smiling): Forgive me, I shall not talk about thanking you any more.

I thought that was lovely, showing the friendship between the two men.

Another example comes when a women is talking about her ten year old daughter saying 'She has been well for some time now. Perhaps she has come to stay'. I thought this precisely expressed the fears these women must have gone through each time they had a child, never knowing for years if they would live or die.

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May 6, 2009, 3:33pm (top)Message 123: nancyewhite

There is a book that I learned about from avaland which helped me discover a lot of African writers (although I haven't read even a few yet). It is called A Basket of Leaves: 99 Books that Capture the Spirit of Africa by Geoff Wisner. It may help you not get caught up in reading primarily South African and Nigerian works.

May 9, 2009, 5:52am (top)Message 124: charbutton

123 - thanks for the suggestion, I'm going to try and track down a copy in the library.

May 10, 2009, 9:07am (top)Message 125: tomcatMurr

Interesting what you say about Achebe. I admire TFA immensely, but I don't have a lot of time otherwise for anything else by him, or anything he has to say, at least about literature. I have not forgiven him for trashing Conrad. It struck me as a case of the mouse trying to nudge the mountain out the way, and left a nasty taste in my mouth. It's always unpleasant when other people display their envy and resentment under the guise of 'post -colonial' theory.

One of the things I admired about TFA was the way the discourse of the narrative voice changes subtly through the book as the tribe come more into contact with the Europeans, starting off with very simple vocabulary and syntax, almost sparse and simplistic, and ending up in a full blown sophistication of grammar and a very 19 century vocabulary ('forthwith') that never appears in the early parts of the book. It ends in a post -modern pastiche of the commissioners book, the title of which is given in the last sentence. It is a brilliant feat of writing, reflecting in a very subtle way the influence of Western contact on the native mind. At least that's how I read it.

Xiaolu Guo did the same thing in her book A Concise Chinese English Dictionary for Lovers, to much the same effect and for the same reasons.

May 10, 2009, 11:52am (top)Message 126: charbutton

I hadn't noticed the change of language - it must have been too subtle for me to notice!

I also have to admit that I don't know anything about his trashing of Conrad. I guess I have some research to do.

May 12, 2009, 3:20pm (top)Message 127: avaland

Here's a piece on the Achebe-Conrad tussle:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2003/feb...

May 20, 2009, 5:19am (top)Message 128: charbutton

Thanks avaland. I've got a copy of Heart of Darkness coming via bookmooch. It it will be interesting to read it in the context of Achebe's comments in this article.

May 20, 2009, 5:52am (top)Message 129: charbutton



BOOK 24: Jungfrau and other short stories

This is a collection of short stories by African writers including the works that won and were shortlisted for the Caine Prize in 2006. The prize is awarded to 'an African writer published in English, whether in Africa or elsewhere...“An African writer” is taken to mean someone who was born in Africa, or who is a national of an African country, or whose parents are African, and whose work has reflected African sensibilities.'

I don't usually read short stories and I found that by the end, I was yearning for a long, complex novel to dive into. I think I should not have read it in one go. Perhaps one story a week would have been better and would have allowed each to have a greater impact on me. I think I will revisit these over the next few months and give each story the time it deserves.

I did enjoy the stories but don't feel, at the moment, that any were amazing. Many are concerned with childhood, all seem to revolve around some kind of violent/sad/destructive event.

The story I remember most clearly is The Fanatic by Laila Lalami, a Moroccan writer. Larbi is a middle-class professional whose daughter, Noura, is destined to do well in her exams and go to a foreign university as her brother has done. However, Noura develops a friendship with Faten, a girl from her school who follows Islamic codes much more closely than Larbi's family. Noura becomes fervently interested in Islam, decides to cover her head and announces that she's not going to NYU because "American's hate us". A classic case of rebellion against her parents relaxed attitude or is it something deeper than that?

Larbi is in despair at the changes that come over his daughter and that he doesn't understand and that he is powerless to stop - a universal story of being the parent of a teenager! In the UK I think the issue of the indoctrination of young Muslims is often presented as a problem specific to the Muslim community - it's THEIR problem that only THEY can solve, because the fear of cultural imperialism prevents US from interfering. True, but aren't there enough parallels with the challenges that all parents face for it to be something that society as a whole can work together? I'm not sure I have an answer to that (a combination of community-specific work and wider support?) but I enjoyed that this story made me think about it.

May 21, 2009, 5:33pm (top)Message 130: charbutton



BOOK 25: This Blinding Absence of Light by Tahar Ben Jelloun

This one gets 5 bloomin' stars!

The story of Salim's 18 year imprisonment in a pitch black cell in a Moroccan desert prison after his involvement in an attempted coup d'etat in 1971, based on a man's real-life experience, this should be a depressing read. Yet it isn't. It's a story of survival, faith and family as well as a tale of inhumanity and death. Ben Jelloun uses a sparse yet effective style that effectively conveys the complexities and ambiguities of Salim's character. I found this sparseness difficult to get into for the first few pages but after that felt entirely drawn into the story. So much so that I started and finished it today.

I read Les yeux baissés (With Downcast Eyes) by Ben Jelloun for an A Level course when I was 18. I had no appreciation of what I was reading. It's a shame that it's taken me 15 years to rediscover him. Many thanks to avaland (I think!) for pointing me in the right direction.

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May 22, 2009, 4:52pm (top)Message 131: christiguc

I thought parts of it were depressing but agree--it is definitely a good read!

May 23, 2009, 1:59pm (top)Message 132: charbutton



BOOK 26: At the Still Point by Mary Benson

At the Still Point tells the story of Anne Dawson, a journalist who returns from London to the turmoil of 1965 South Africa. Much of the story focuses on the trial of Beatrice Qaba, a woman accused of trying to raise funds for the ANC. This book was inspired by Mary Benson's experience of writing about political trials in the Eastern Cape in 1964 and she explains in an afterword that several of the characters are based on real people.

On the whole I enjoyed this book. Benson effectively portrays the horrors and injustices of the apartheid system. I also enjoyed the conflicts between the 'radical' white population and those who chose to ignore what was happening to the black population. She raises interesting questions about the complicitness of the white English community. They consider themselves to be removed from the decisions of the Afrikaans, but are complicit in the continuation of the system - 'To witness, and not to protest - was this not to participate?'

I think it is hard to write a book like this without the reader feeling that anything not about apartheid is tacked on to make it into a novel rather than a non-fiction work. I found the characters of Anne and Matthew Marais, a radical defence lawyer, and their relationship, to be a bit flimsy. Matthew is the symbol of white resistance with his unwavering belief that the system can be destroyed, if not by his actions then by those of future generations. He seems to be too good - never a crisis of faith, never questioning his actions. Anne's role is to enable us to learn about apartheid as she does and as she questions Matthew's devotion to the cause. She has just come out of a difficult relationship and he has come out of a traumatic divorce - it's a bit too obvious that they are destined to be together.

Overall a good read.

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Jun 1, 2009, 7:25am (top)Message 133: charbutton



BOOK 27: The Emperor by Ryszard Kapuściński

This is the first book by Polish foreign correspondent Kapuściński of what would have been a trilogy of works about absolute power (Shah of Shahs was published in the 1980s; the third book about Idi Amin is unfinished).

The Emperor recounts a series of interviews Kapuściński conducted with members of Haile Selassie's Ethiopian court after its fall in 1974, interspersed with some observations from Kapuściński. It provides a fascinating insight not only into the absurdities of the regime and the amazing levels of manipulation and misinformation that were required to keep it going, but also into the approaching downfall of the monarchy and the reaction/inaction of the emperor and his courtiers.

I particularly enjoyed the details of the Emperor's daily routine - the early morning walks when ministers submitted reports to Selaisse while he fed his lions; the Hour of Assignments when he gave out promotions, prizes and demotions; the Hour of the Cashbox during which subjects would line up to put their case for money to the emperor.

The cult of personality that reigned is also really interesting. The courtiers interviewed continued to call Selaisse 'His Merciful Highness', 'His Benevolent Majesty', 'His August Majesty' and many other extravagant titles after his downfall. The country's constitution stated that the emperor was a direct descendant of Solomon. There is a strong sense from those interviewed of shock that anyone could challenge the authority of a man who tried so hard to help his country.

While this is a work of non-fiction, the extreme and ridiculous aspects of the regime mean that the story of Selaisse's court often reads like a satire of absolute rule.

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Jun 1, 2009, 7:40am (top)Message 134: kidzdoc

#133: I didn't realize that Kapuściński had written a book about Selassie. The Emperor is now at the top of my TBR list. Thanks, charbutton!

Jun 1, 2009, 8:38am (top)Message 135: charbutton

glad to be of service kidzdoc!

Jun 1, 2009, 7:55pm (top)Message 136: avaland

>130 if it was me then, you're welcome! I need to read more Jelloun myself, as I've only read this one and his latest. I think I have another on the shelf...

Jun 6, 2009, 4:42am (top)Message 137: charbutton



BOOK 28: Wizard of the Crow by Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o

Wizard of the Crow is a scathing satire of African politics, religion and ideas of masculinity and Western development policies. It also encompasses a love story and sorcery.

The book is set in the fictional Free Republic of Aburiria, a country governed by the Ruler. The story starts as it is decided that a tower will be built that reaches right up to Heaven, elevating the Ruler to the same level as God. We follow events as this project falls apart and a small group of activists begin to challenge his rule. The story is full of absurdities, coincidences and unbelievable incidents that should make it unreadable, yet it works really well. I think that is it wasn't set up as a satire, I would have found it more difficult to enjoy. Magical realism (which I think this is classed as?) isn't really my thing.

At over 700 pages, this book covers a great deal and I can't do it justice here. Suffice to say that it's funny and thought provoking. Wizard of the Crow reminds me very much of the beginning of The Master and Margarita (which I love). It has also been compared to Midnight's Children (which I hate beyond measure). It's certainly been an interesting follow up to The Emperor. While the intrigues and excesses of the Ruler's dictatorship seem unbelievably extreme, it isn't much different to the realities of Haile Selassie's regime!

Interesting note: Ngũgĩ translated this from his Gĩkũyũ version. Following a discussion about this on rebeccanyc's thread, I've e-mailed him to ask about this process. Did he write the two versions side by side, or did he revisit the Gĩkũyũ text? If the latter, was he able to approach the task dispassionately or did he make changes to the text? I await a response...

ETA: I did really love this book and know that I will be going back to it again and again.

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Jun 6, 2009, 4:46am (top)Message 138: charbutton

I've just started reading The Bell by Iris Murdoch for book club. Middle-class England is a bit of culture shock after a month in Africa and I kind of resent being taken away from a series of reading that I am really enjoying!

Jun 6, 2009, 5:01am (top)Message 139: charbutton

I was in the London Review Bookshop yesterday and picked up a booklet about translated fiction. There is a website http://www.translatedfiction.org.uk/ run by the Book Trust. It looks interesting - book recommendations, information about publishers, lists of events.

Jun 6, 2009, 7:13am (top)Message 140: rebeccanyc

I've probably mentioned this elsewhere, but Wizard of the Crow turned me into a big Ngũgĩ fan, and of his other books I've read, my favorite is Petals of Blood. Based in Kenya in the period just after independence, it is an even darker satire than Wizard of the Crow, and equally thought-provoking. It also got Ngũgĩ thrown in jail.

Thanks for the link to the translation site.

Jun 6, 2009, 7:33am (top)Message 141: charbutton

Thanks, I'll definitely look out for Petals of Blood.

Jun 6, 2009, 6:09pm (top)Message 142: kidzdoc

Wizard of the Crow was my introduction to Ngũgĩ, too, and I've been a fan since then. I haven't yet read Petals of Blood, though, but I have it, and will read it very soon, based on Rebecca's comments.

Jun 13, 2009, 3:02pm (top)Message 143: charbutton



BOOK 29: The Bell by Iris Murdoch
(book club - Christina's choice)

The Bell is set in a religious community of nuns and lay members in 1950s rural England. Two new people come into the community - Dora, who is coming to stay with her estranged husband, and Toby, a 18 year-old who is about to take up a place at Oxford. We follow their, and others', experiences over a summer.

I enjoyed this more than I expected to but I think that the deeper philosophical points are lost on me. I need to do some more thinking about the symbolism of the nuns and the bell itself.

A couple of the characters feel very dated. Michael, the founder of the community, is a gay man and teacher with a penchant for young men - a typical caricature of gay men being at the mercy of their libidos. I'm not sure if this is an indication of the time the novel was written or whether Murdoch was homophobic. Probably the former?

Dora's character also tends to be what one might expect from a 1950s novel. She is happiest when she has left behind her sexual promiscuity and is playing housekeeper for Michael, although there is hope for her as she heads off to a new independent life.

Jun 14, 2009, 4:31am (top)Message 144: charbutton



BOOK 30: The Joys of Motherhood by Buchi Emecheta

Back in Africa...

Starting in early 1900s West Africa, we follow the life of Nnu Ego, from her conception to her death. This is a story of gender, poverty and change in Nigerian society. Emecheta describes the expectations placed on women and the physical and emotional strains of motherhood. Nnu undergoes the humiliation of childlessness but goes on to have nine children, learning along the way that wifehood and motherhood do not automatically confer happiness and security.

Nnu comes from a village and has clear expectations from a husband that become irrelevant when she arrives for a new marriage in Lagos. Her new husband is a house servant who takes great pride in cleaning his mistresses clothes - demeaning and emasculating work in Nnu's eyes. There is a continuing clash between Nnu's rural upbringing and the reality of city living.

We also see the impact of changes in Nigerian society. For example, by the time her children are grown up and should be providing for her (as would have happened in the village), they are trying to escape the grinding poverty of their childhoods, seize the new opportunities that are available to them and reject their parents' values. One daughter, for example, marries a Muslim from another ethnic group - an unforgivable action.

This was an interesting read, but I found Emechta's writing style difficult to enjoy. It very much feels like a book written to make a point about gender in Africa. She often uses her character's thoughts/speech to unnecessarily emphasis the points being made. This feels heavy handed and I think it would be better to leave this to the reader. Also, the narrative voice uses sophisticated language that jars with the simplicity of the character's speech. For me, a book like Things Fall Apart addresses both of these issues much more successfully.

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Jun 14, 2009, 4:45am (top)Message 145: charbutton



BOOK 31: The Weather in Africa by Martha Gellhorn

Three absorbing novellas about Europeans in East Africa.

On the Mountain: two sisters return to run their parents' hotel on Kilimanjiro. One is selfish and rebellious and embarks on what becomes a masochistic relationship with a black man. The other, quieter, more obedient daughter becomes pregnant out of wedlock (it's set in the 70s). This was a great story to follow The Joys of Motherhood as it explores parents' expectations and how children do, or do not, live up to these.

By the Sea: a lovely but tragic story of a woman who escapes to Africa after the death of her son and the break up of her marriage. Gellhorn shows how grief cuts across ethnic divides. My favourite of the three.

In the Highlands: a troubled former POW finds solace through an African farm and an African child.

Through each novella Gellhorn skilfully highlights the constrictions and the racism of European society in East Africa without detracting from the main action of the stories themselves.

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Jun 15, 2009, 4:17am (top)Message 146: charbutton



BOOK 32: Deadlock by Sara Paretsky

An easy book for a lazy Sunday.

I read little detective fiction, but I do enjoy Paretsky's series about the PI, V I Warshawski. Warshawski is a Scotch-drinking, fallible woman who doesn't like housework. She always cares too much - her cases developing because of her interest in the victims or just can't curb her curiosity. I like her. Sure, the stories are formulaic, but that's OK by me. The settings are always interesting. This one focuses on the dockyards of Chicago, and I've learnt a lot about shipping!

Jun 17, 2009, 1:52pm (top)Message 147: charbutton



BOOK 33: My Driver by Maggie Gee

Vanessa Henman is an English writer invited to an international writers conference in Kampala, Uganda. While there she intends to make a surprise visit to see Mary Tendo, the woman who used to be her cleaner. Meanwhile Mary has invited Vanessa's ex-husband, Trevor, to Uganda to help fix in her village. Trevor and Vanessa don't tell each other about their trips, and for much of the story they are either turning up in the same place within a few minutes of each other or they see but don't recognise each other. Their story is interspersed with Mary's, that of her lost son who has become a child soldier and V & T's son and grandson in London. The threat of war between Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo is always in the background - Gee reminds us that the scramble for Africa's rich resources continues unabated.

This was an enjoyable book, but it didn't blow me away. The 'will they meet/won't they meet' aspect of V & T's story felt contrived after a while and the huge coincidence at the end tied things up too nicely to be believeable.

I did enjoy Vanessa's character although she is a hard woman to like. Her delusions of grandeur about her status as a writer, her anxiety to be liked and respected and her fears about travelling alone in Africa may make her seem arrogant and unpleasant, but they are very human frailties and the more I think about her the more I feel for her.

The other characters had much less depth, except Mary. But I feel like I didn't quite get to grips with her, perhaps because she is a very abrasive woman. Or perhaps because her experiences (colonialism, post-colonial life, losing a son, having to work as a cleaner) are not my experiences and never will be and it's easier for me to identify with Vanessa? But that hasn't stopped me empathising with other protagonists during my African summer, so I'm probably reading too much into it.

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Jun 20, 2009, 4:12am (top)Message 148: charbutton



BOOK 34: The Pickup by Nadine Gordimer

The Pickup is the story of Julie, a white South African from a wealthy family, and Ibrahim, an illegal immigrant who fixes her car when it breaks down in a dodgy neighbourhood. They start a relationship but the authorities catch up with Ibrahim and he is forced to return to his home. Julie decides to go with him, he insists they must marry and then they head off to a small village in an unnamed Arab country.

At this point I expected the story to follow Julie's problems settling into a new culture. However, Gordimer takes us down a different road. This is a tale of the reasons for emigration rather than the problems of immigration. Ibrahim finds his return to village life difficult and wants to get out again as quickly as possible. Julie finds the peace and purpose that was lacking in her old life.

By the end it is clear that Ibrahim has been Julie's ticket to a new life just as much as she has been his - the pickup worked for both of them.

This was a thoroughly enjoyable book. Gordimer explores emigration and immigration without resorting to cliches, stereotypes and politicised comments on either culture. I liked that it surprised me.

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Jun 23, 2009, 10:33am (top)Message 149: avaland

>147 I was just given this book as a gift so was interested to skim your review. I may take it up next...

Jun 27, 2009, 4:37am (top)Message 150: charbutton

>149, looking forward to your review.

Jun 27, 2009, 4:48am (top)Message 151: charbutton



BOOK 35: Tropical Fish: stories out of Entebbe by Doreen Baingana

Tropical Fish consists of eight short stories told by three sisters, Rosa, Patti and Christine, growing up in Entebbe, Uganda. The stories are well-written. I particularly enjoyed following Christine as she moved to Los Angeles and then returned to Uganda years later. Her isolation in LA reminded me of when I first arrived in London.

Jun 27, 2009, 5:00am (top)Message 152: charbutton



BOOK 36: Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison

Another diversion from my African sojourn.

This is a dystopian detective story written in 1966 and set in 1999, a time when there are water, food and power shortages and life seems basically appalling for the vast majority of the 35 million people now living in New York City. Andy Rausch is an NYC policeman tasked with finding out who murdered a well-connected gangster.

The story is essentially a vehicle for Harrison to expound his belief in the need for the United States to actively pursue a policy of birth control before humans deplete natural resources and anarchy descends. And to be honest, there's not much more to it than that.

Jul 1, 2009, 6:13pm (top)Message 153: charbutton



BOOK 37: God's Bits of Wood by Ousmane Sembene

Sembene's most well-known work, God's Bits of Wood is set during the 1947-8 strike by the Dakar-Niger Railway workers who were demanding better pay, family allowances and pensions. We follow the men, women and children affected by the strike as the authorities' cut off their food and water supplies. Ultimately the strikers were successful in forcing the railway company to negotiate.

Sembene was himself a union organiser and member of the Communist Party in France. Because of this I expected a lot of politicised speeches from the book's characters. However, he tackles his subject in a much more subtle manner - the injustices of the colonial system are effectively conveyed without heavy-handed diatribes.

What struck me most was how the role of women in society changed during the strike because of the extreme situation they were in. At the beginning a girl is chastised by the women for going to the meetings where men were discussing the proposed strike, an unseemly place for a woman to be. By the end of the book, women were leading protests and riots and seem to have been much more active than men in organising militant action. I think this is because the privations of this time affected women much more - despite the food shortages they were still expected to provide for their families, and they were constantly confronted with the sight of their starving children or by not being able to produce enough milk for their babies.

The book also illustrates the ambivalence experienced by those who are colonised, a common theme through my African summer. The colonial power is hated, yet its language and customs are appropriated often by young people for whom they represent sophistication and a way to get ahead. A young woman in the book is proud of her ability to speak French but it ultimately leads to her humiliation as she can understand the lewd comments made about her by French officials.

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Jul 2, 2009, 10:02am (top)Message 154: charbutton



BOOK: 38: Purple Hibiscus by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie

Purple Hibiscus is the story of a Nigerian family slowly falling apart alongside the political disintegration of their country.

The narrator is Kambili, the 15 year old daughter of a well-respected, well-off, very religious man who unbeknown to outsiders beats his family on a regular basis. The lives of Kambili and her brother Jaja are closely regulated by their controlling father and they have little experience of life beyond school, church and home. The children go to stay with their aunt and cousins for a few days and begin to discover a different way of living that involves laughter, love and freedom.

This is a wonderfully written book that fully immersed me in Kambili's life and her struggle to find her own voice after years of dominance by her father. Adichie skillfully despicts the contradictions of family relationships - Kambili loves her father and still wants to please him even after he beats her nearly to death.

Purple Hibiscus reminded me of Go Tell it on the Mountain (book 11 in my list), with similar themes of oppression and patriarchy.

Jul 5, 2009, 12:55pm (top)Message 155: charbutton



BOOK 39: Cry, the Beloved Country by Alan Paton

This is a tragic, yet uplifting story that follows Stephen Kumalo as he searches the Johannesburg slums for his estranged sister and son. There is so much more I could write but I really don't want to spoil it for anyone new to the book. Suffice to say that I was practically in tears on the tube this monring and, as noted above, that's pretty unusual.

While the novel undoubtedly has a political message about the inequalities of 1940s South Africa (the book was published before the implementation of apartheid), it does not impose uncomfortably on the story of reconciliation between fathers and sons - reconciliations that come too late - and shared grief. Whites and blacks are not shown exclusively as monsters or victims; humanity is possible across racial divides.

Jul 6, 2009, 4:03pm (top)Message 156: rachbxl

>154 I'm glad you enjoyed Purple Hibiscus; I still can't decide (2 years on) but I think perhaps I liked it even more than Half of a Yellow Sun, just because it seemed more personal - a beautifully told story about Kambili, rather than A Big Novel About History, if you see what I mean.

>155 This has been on my mental TBR list for ages now. Akeela nudged it up a slot or two a while ago, and now you - I'm not going to be able to put it off much longer...

Jul 7, 2009, 3:56am (top)Message 157: charbutton

>156 Purple Hibiscus is definitely my favourite of the two.

Jul 7, 2009, 5:57am (top)Message 158: akeela

>156, 157 Mine, too! Although one cannot deny the merits of Half of a Yellow Sun as a second, more mature book by a young talent.

Jul 7, 2009, 7:13am (top)Message 159: rebeccanyc

Interesting comments about Adichie's two books. I read Half of a Yellow Sun first and thought it was an amazing book, especially for a young writer, so when I later read Purple Hibiscus I enjoyed it but was very aware of how much her writing advanced afterward. I thought Purple Hibiscus was beautifully told, but I admired her ability to develop more complex characters and themes and was completely absorbed by Yellow Sun. So I'm looking forward to starting The Thing Around Your Neck, her new volume of short stories.

Jul 7, 2009, 7:24am (top)Message 160: kidzdoc

I read -- and loved -- Half of a Yellow Sun and I have Purple Hibiscus, but haven't gotten to it yet. I'm also looking forward to starting The Thing Around Your Neck soon.

Jul 8, 2009, 3:13pm (top)Message 161: charbutton

I like that Purple Hibiscus feels less polished.

I have The Thing Around Your Neck on my shelf too!

Jul 9, 2009, 4:47am (top)Message 162: charbutton



BOOK 40: If This Be Treason: Translation and its Dyscontents, a memoir by Gregory Rabassa

Rabassa, a translator of South American writers including Gabriel Garcia Marquez, discusses his translations and the influences on his life that led him to literary translation. Unfortunately, he comes across as quite an arrogant man. His apparent awareness, as a child, of language, bird song, tone etc feels overexaggerated. He is very keen to assure us that writerts such as Garcia Marquez only moved on to other translators because Rabassa was far to busy to work with them. Garcia Marquez's name is dropped constantly.

I haven't read any of the works he discusses (in fact, I don't think I have read much South American literature at all. Shameful) and do not understand Spanish or Portugese so I'm sure many of his points are lost on me. However, it is interesting to think about the problems of translation and how convey a sense of place and social and hsitorical context in another language simply through the correct choice of words.

Jul 9, 2009, 8:23am (top)Message 163: rachbxl

>162 I'm laughing. It's not just me, then?

Jul 9, 2009, 8:29am (top)Message 164: charbutton

it's definitely not just you.

Jul 9, 2009, 10:03am (top)Message 165: urania1

And I was going to buy the book. Oh well, one to scratch off the wishlist

Jul 9, 2009, 10:15am (top)Message 166: rachbxl

No, I still think it's worth reading - it's just that I didn't quite agree with everything he said or how he said it! And the more people who read it, the better the discussion...

Jul 9, 2009, 10:21am (top)Message 167: urania1

Damn it rachbxl, I thought I had just crossed one off the list. Stop it, I say.

Jul 9, 2009, 10:42am (top)Message 168: avaland

>166 I agree. I will add here what I wrote over on Rachbxl's thread, I didn't interpret the tone as arrogance (maybe at my age one gets desensitized to it?), but I didn't think he was much of a craftsman with the English language at least as far as telling his own story.

Still, I found a lot of interesting bits about the challenges of translation (obviously enough to give away 8 copies:-)

Jul 9, 2009, 10:52am (top)Message 169: charbutton

Lois, i forgot to thank you at the end of my review. I did find it interesting and by the end his mannerism was actually quite amusing in a 'oh look, he's mentioned Garcia Marquez yet again, quelle surprise' kind of way.

Jul 9, 2009, 5:26pm (top)Message 170: rebeccanyc

I will also chime in as someone who enjoyed the book. I was less interested in Rabassa's own story than in learning about some of the issues involved in translation, and I found that quite fascinating. I am not a translator, so my interest is as a reader of many translated books who has noticed that some translations seem better than others. (For example, when I read the newest translations of In Search of Lost Time, in which different volumes were translated by different translators, I could not only detect differences in the translations but also found one of them really irritating.)

I also found it interesting to read about many books that were unfamiliar to me, and I hope someday to have the time to read some of them.

It is probably two years since I read the book, and I don't recall finding Rabassa arrogant, but even if I did I don't know if it would have bothered me because that would just be an illustration of his personality. Maybe I wouldn't like the man, but I can find what he says interesting.

Jul 9, 2009, 5:45pm (top)Message 171: charbutton

It's a fair point that you don't have to like the man to appreciate his art.

Jul 10, 2009, 12:56am (top)Message 172: tomcatMurr

I am very behind in your thread, Charbutton. your African reading is very interesting. If there is no African Renaissance, then this thread will surely start one!

Regarding the Iris Murdoch question you asked in >143, Iris Murdoch is definitely not a homophobe. Her two greatest friends, according to her biography by John Bayley, were Peter Conradi and his boyfriend, both committed Buddhists, and from whom IM got many of her insights into Buddhism. IM during her life time was also known to have had several affairs with women. She often writes about gay characters, and her writing about them reflects the times she lived and wrote in. I generally find her portrayals of gay men to be sympathetic and understanding, as are her portrayals of straight people. Even her nasty characters have some attractive and redeeming features. I think her greatness was in her ability to understand and describe people in all their complexity.

Are you going to /have you read any thing else by her?

The Bell is a very strange book, imo (IM is very strange period)

Jul 10, 2009, 2:41am (top)Message 173: charbutton

>172 Thanks for the info on IM. You're right, of course her writing reflects the times but I always have a naive hope that writers can move beyond this...and am very often disappointed! I've recently started The Judge by Rebecca West, published in 1922, which includes a description of a Chinese man that wouldn't have looked out of place in the tabloids of the time - he has 'a flat yellow face and a slimy pigtail drooping with a dreadful waggish school-girlishness' over his shoulder. I'm not reading these authors because of their socially progressive views, but the stereotypes do jar with me.

I have read a few others by IM - The Sea, The Sea (didn't enjoy it), A Word Child (can't remember much about it), The Green Knight and The Philospher's Pupil (thought they were fine) - and don't feel like I need to read any more. I just think that her skills are lost on me.

Jul 10, 2009, 2:53am (top)Message 174: charbutton

...I hadn't realised before that I must make a massive assumption that the books I enjoy are written by people with the same views as me. A very narrow outlook.

And I should add that the type of comment exemplified by Rebecca West doesn't put me off her book, or her, but IM's character of Michael is central to The Bell so it was hard for me to completely ignore what I saw as a stereotype.

Jul 10, 2009, 3:40am (top)Message 175: rachbxl

Maybe the arrogance thing (sorry, I'm still on Rabassa) is a cultural difference? Interesting that Char and I, 2 Brits, were driven mad by it, whilst 2 Americans didn't find him arrogant at all - perhaps it's just a difference in perception because of what's culturally acceptable, not right, not wrong, just different.

Jul 10, 2009, 4:12am (top)Message 176: charbutton

I think you might be right Rachel!

Jul 10, 2009, 5:00am (top)Message 177: charbutton

I've started a new thread as this is getting a bit long, but feel free to continue discussions here or there.

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