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1laena
Feb 23, 2009, 12:02pm Top

Includes computer science, how to guides for hardware and software, networking and IT. Place books on computer games under SPORTS & RECREATION.

2liamhe
Feb 26, 2009, 6:23pm Top

What about books that deal with game design? For example Game Programing for teens by Maneesh Sethi. It is more about programming than it is about gaming.

3ssd7
Feb 26, 2009, 9:02pm Top

2: Yes, I think it is clear that such a book should be put in this category. I think that the part about "computer games" in the notes is more to keep guides and walk-throughs of computer games out of this section.

4PortiaLong
Feb 26, 2009, 11:44pm Top

Maybe the notes should be revised to: "Place books on the playing of computer games under SPORTS & RECREATION."

5yue
Feb 27, 2009, 1:32pm Top

Should books on the technique of the art/visual of game design go here, or under something like Digital Art (which often overlap)?

6jpers36
Mar 5, 2009, 5:58pm Top

No one's taken a hack at this one yet, so let me throw out some possible second-level categories. There's way too much overlap, but I'm not quite sure how they should separate out.

--History
--Hardware
--Networking
--Databases
--Internet
--Graphics/Animation
--Operating Systems
--Programming Languages
--Programming Tools
--Applications
--Software Development
--Computational Theory

As a side note, is there a way to view the top-level first cut results?

7andyl
Mar 6, 2009, 3:36am Top

I would probably move Programming Languages and Tools to below Software Development.

Change Database to read Database and Information Systems

We will need a couple of redirects
Mathematics of Computing redirects to Maths -- Computing
Games redirects to Sport & Recreation -- Computer Games
Legal Aspects redirects to Law - Computers
Computing & Education redirects to ?

Maybe missing areas -
Computers And Society
Professional aspects of computing
Software and systems management?
Security?
Document and Text Processing?
Computer simulation and modelling?
AI, pattern recognition and computer vision?
Human Computer Interfaces?
Data and File Structures - which could include information theory?

Personally I would move internet below networking.

8ssd7
Mar 6, 2009, 4:55am Top

Personally I would move internet below networking.

I think this would depend on what the scope of those terms were supposed to mean. I think it could be useful to have a separate Internet category and reserve Networking for technical aspects of networking.

9andyl
Mar 6, 2009, 5:05am Top

#8

Sure. So what do you expect to see in the category? What in that case makes it different in kind from the stuff in Applications?

Are we talking about books like How I Made My First Million on the Internet and How You Can Too!, 33 million people in the room and Click: What We Do Online and Why it Matters?

10jpers36
Mar 6, 2009, 10:10am Top

My list was based on a quick overview of the books listed under the tagmash "computers, -fiction":

http://www.librarything.com/tag/computers,-fiction

Networking would have books such as Computer Networks, Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions, TCP/IP Network Administration, and others. They're technical books about networking, and they don't fall under Hardware, Software, or Operating Systems.

Internet would perhaps have Designing Web Usability : The Practice of Simplicity, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Creating a Web Page, or The Non-Designer's Web Book, but I'm thinking those could fall under Software Development.

Internet would definitely have things like Whole Internet Users Guide and Catalog, The Rough Guide to the Internet, and The Internet for Dummies. Maybe Weaving the Web: The Original Design and Ultimate Destiny of the World Wide Web, although that may go under History. The idea is non-technical books that are either references or user guides to the Internet.

11jpers36
Mar 6, 2009, 10:24am Top

More thoughts from a non-librarian IT professional. Just talking off the top of my head here, feel free to say I'm wrong.

7>

>I would probably move Programming Languages and Tools to below Software Development.

I don't really disagree with that; I was just thinking that Programming Language references will take up a large bulk of the Computers section as a whole, so may merit a second-level category.

>Change Database to read Database and Information Systems

Agree.

> We will need a couple of redirects
> Mathematics of Computing redirects to Maths -- Computing

I think much of that would fit better under Computational Theory, whereas Math -- Computing would have more information on the use of computers in mathematics.

> Games redirects to Sport & Recreation -- Computer Games
> Legal Aspects redirects to Law - Computers

Agree.

> Computing & Education redirects to ?

Education -- Tools -- Computers? Education's not really fleshed out yet.

> Maybe missing areas -
> Computers And Society

Agree.

> Professional aspects of computing

I think that could fall under Computers and Society, or else Software Development? Specific professional applications would fall under Applications.

> Software and systems management?

Hmm. We do need this somewhere.

> Security?

I'd file much of this under Networking, Software Development, or wherever Software and Systems Management ends up, although that does seem to be splitting up one subject into a few disparate locations.

> Document and Text Processing?
> Computer simulation and modelling?
> AI, pattern recognition and computer vision?
> Human Computer Interfaces?

Applications or Computational Theory, depending on from which end they're being approached?

> Data and File Structures - which could include information theory?

Under Database and Information Systems.

12jpers36
Mar 6, 2009, 10:26am Top

Ah! How about this: "Network and System Administration" to cover Networks, Software and Systems Management, and Security.

13conners
Mar 20, 2009, 10:49am Top

Please check out this thread (http://www.librarything.com/topic/60594) for a link to the new OSC blog and a call for specific volunteer involvement. Thanks!

14Sivani
Mar 4, 2010, 6:43pm Top

1) Does (should) Computers rightfully resort under Technology and Engineering?

2) Where does Computer Engineering fit in? The field is concerned with computer architecture but also with algorithmically improving computers at the low level. The degree tends to combine classical Electrical Engineering and classical Computer Science with some dedicated Computer Engineering and Architecture.

3) How about Software Engineering, Software Management and Systems Engineering (both SW and in terms of other engineering fields)?

15vpfluke
Mar 4, 2010, 7:13pm Top

# 14
Regarding # 1, I think the idea that computers should be a separate category has been around since early on when the Open Shelves Classification was being put together by the various interested parties at LT. Some categories exist because many bookstores have a significant separate section devoted to the category, and that is true of computers. When laena was trying to hold things together she listed the following subjects as being connected:

* SCIENCE
* AGRICULTURE
* COMPUTERS
* MATHEMATICS
* TECHNOLOGY & ENGINEERING

I think the theory was that someone should take hold of the category and really try to organize it. That never really happened with the computers category. And no one has posted for almost a year. In some catgories, even when some did try to get it organized, the carp index got too high.

16KingRat
Mar 5, 2010, 1:35am Top

I think OSC is dead.

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