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1timspalding
Edited: May 24, 2009, 11:03pm Top

I've added checks to recommendations.



The result is a little weird, but, I kinda like it. For a while now the problem with the green checks is that they take up space—and space must be left for them. Having them replace the numbers is a compromise of sorts. It's a little confusing, and a little cute.

Anywhere else the green checks need to be?

2SylviaC
May 24, 2009, 11:07pm Top

You seem to find the strangest ways to spend your holiday weekend.

This is kind of neat to have, even if it does look odd.

Maybe next you can find a way for us to hide member recommendations on our recommendations page.

3timspalding
May 24, 2009, 11:10pm Top

Why hide them?

4justjim
Edited: May 24, 2009, 11:21pm Top

Ooh, green ticks, (Ticks: that's another one for the Cataloged vs Catalogued conversation!) nice work.

Can I have a pony as well? Er, I mean, can we have them on Stats/Series Coverage as well?

No, sorry, forget I said that. I was getting confused between my series coverage, where obviously I've got all the books and CK series where the Green ticks are already in place.

5SylviaC
May 24, 2009, 11:20pm Top

3>

On the Automatic Recommendations page, we can select "No thanks", which hides that suggestion. This makes it much easier to wade through all the suggestions. You end up with a list of books that actually interest you. It would be nice to have that function available for the Member Recommendations too.

6SylviaC
May 24, 2009, 11:24pm Top

By the way, the green checks do look much better in real life, where they are slightly offset, than in your picture in #1.

7infiniteletters
May 24, 2009, 11:26pm Top

Cool! I like the solution of having them replace the numbers.

8leahbird
Edited: May 24, 2009, 11:28pm Top

went to see the green checks in action and found.... destruction! when did the blue box go away? i miss it already. i know was 1 of like 4 people who liked it, but i'm sad. i'll get over it, though. roll with the punches and whatnot.

on a different note: will there ever be a time that you push changes to the works page and it doesn't completely rearrange the boxes? i have to fix them each time.

9Aerulan
May 24, 2009, 11:32pm Top

Are the ticks supposed to show up if you click through the "see more recommendations" link for the book? Because I'm just seeing them on the work page. Not on the expanded recommendation page.

10infiniteletters
May 24, 2009, 11:34pm Top

If I go to the work recommendations page, there aren't green checkmarks any more.

Alas.

Also, there's an error for member recs on the work recommendations page.
http://www.librarything.com/work/35664/recommendations/

"Warning: Missing argument 3 for memberrecommendations(), called in /var/www/html/inc_workpieces_suggester.php on line 125 and defined in /var/www/html/inc_work.php on line 2561"

The member recs display fine despite the error.
http://www.librarything.com/work/6408800/recommendations/

11MMcM
May 25, 2009, 12:10am Top

> 1 Anywhere else the green checks need to be?

Since you asked, I've wanted them on work search results. (So that I can skip over books I already know about.)

12infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 1:10am Top

Author search results, to mark ones you have.

Tag Watch module on the Home page (or better yet, an option to exclude books you have).

13staffordcastle
May 25, 2009, 1:22am Top

Yay! Green checks make me happy.

In answer to your question - anywhere there's a list of titles! (That's not part of my library, that is.)

14justjim
May 25, 2009, 1:28am Top

Anywhere we have green checks, can we have {insert raging colour argument here} checks if Collections = Wishlist?

15leahbird
May 25, 2009, 1:43am Top

>14 justjim: OHHHHH! i like that idea a lot. i vote for purple checks for wishlist. (purple seems to be the only primary-ish color that isn't representative of something else on LT)

16timspalding
May 25, 2009, 2:26am Top

By the way, the green checks do look much better in real life, where they are slightly offset, than in your picture in #1.

It's not real life. Browsers handle bullet-images differently. It's basically not controllable.

went to see the green checks in action and found.... destruction! when did the blue box go away? i miss it already. i know was 1 of like 4 people who liked it, but i'm sad. i'll get over it, though. roll with the punches and whatnot.

What do you mean? Which one?

Are the ticks supposed to show up if you click through the "see more recommendations" link for the book? Because I'm just seeing them on the work page. Not on the expanded recommendation page.

Done now. Thanks.

"Warning: Missing argument 3 for memberrecommendations()"

Fixed.

purple checks for wishlist

Yes. It's a good idea. That sort of thing will take a while after wishlists are live, though.

17leahbird
Edited: May 25, 2009, 4:01am Top

went to see the green checks in action and found.... destruction! when did the blue box go away? i miss it already. i know was 1 of like 4 people who liked it, but i'm sad. i'll get over it, though. roll with the punches and whatnot.

What do you mean? Which one?


well, it's not gone, it's just redesigned. briefly the works page edit box was offset and slightly blueish, but now it's a collapsable section like all the rest. it does exactly the same stuff (i think) i just really liked the was it was...

i can't believe you like the purple checks idea. i'm thrilled. can't wait to see them!

eta: i have no idea why this is all in bold... i don't have any section edited to be bold.

18sqdancer
May 25, 2009, 3:57am Top

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19sqdancer
May 25, 2009, 3:58am Top

</b>

Nothing to see here; just turning off the bold
*returns to lurkerdom*

20leahbird
Edited: May 25, 2009, 4:00am Top

what about usernames showing in black? is that part of the same problem?

eta: obviously it was, since it's fixed. nevermind.

21justjim
May 25, 2009, 4:02am Top

Leah, when I was showing you how to edit wikipages and encouraging you to "Be Bold", that's not at all what I meant! Go cook some toast! :)

22leahbird
May 25, 2009, 4:06am Top

thank you jim. i will have you know i have let no fires start since.

and yes, i like to be bold, but i really wasn't expecting to be THAT bold. it shocked me a bit. i thought my personality was leaking into the internet.

you're gonna back me on this purple checks (ticks) for wishlist right...?

23justjim
May 25, 2009, 4:16am Top

It was probably that Tim left the bold tag open on the message before yours - he's been on the stout.

I'm with you on different colour checks for wishlist items, but I'll bet you there's an almighty war over The Color Purple. I personally couldn't give a rodent's rectum about the colour as long as it is sufficiently different from the green - even a paler green would be fine by me.

24leahbird
May 25, 2009, 4:22am Top

"a rodent's rectum", eh?

25felius
May 25, 2009, 4:57am Top

Purple ticks for wishlist items would be wonderful. Green, purple and orange are the secondary colours (sometimes known as "primary-ish") I grew up with, though wikipedia tells me that depends on the colourspace..

26leahbird
May 25, 2009, 5:16am Top

thanks felius. i really didn't pay attention in art class. ;)

27markbarnes
May 25, 2009, 6:59am Top

Anywhere else the green checks need to be?

On the search results when you're adding a book. That would definately save lots of adding/deleting books.

28vaneska
May 25, 2009, 7:02am Top

1: Yes, as already suggested, against Top Books in your new Connections section under Statistics/Memes.

v

29stephmo
May 25, 2009, 9:21am Top

Seconding what vaneska said! Green checks for top books between connections. :)

30infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 9:34am Top

ooo at 28 and 29.

31lquilter
May 25, 2009, 10:29am Top

On other people's catalogs when you're looking at them. Was this already mentioned?

32jimroberts
May 25, 2009, 10:36am Top

Seconding #31.

33cpg
Edited: May 25, 2009, 10:47am Top

Re #3: "Why hide them?"

Because some people can't seem to resist the urge to use them maliciously. (Recall this thread.) It would be nice to be able to hide those insincere recommendations so that they don't distract from the serious ones.

34timspalding
May 25, 2009, 11:00am Top

>32 jimroberts:

Yeah, where? I'm somewhat divided on the idea. After all, you don't have the book, you have the work...

35Crypto-Willobie
May 25, 2009, 11:24am Top

> 2, 3, 5 Hiding Automatic Recommendations

Here's a fictional example that parallels one I really experience...

Say one of the mega-libraries mass imports or downloads a ton of books in an area or two where I have a lot of books, we'll say Egyptian History and Coptic Philosophy. Now that library becomes Automatically one of my Top Similar Libraries, so I get Automatic recommendations from whatever else that user adds. But that user wasn't particularly interested in Egyptain History and Coptic Philosophy, they just happened to buy a massive Ancient History or Esoteric Philosophy download of virtual books or imported a bibliography or two to their wishlist. And now they've moved on and are adding enormous numbers of books on Veterinary Surgery, Disco Dancing and Lithuanian Knitting Patterns-- and as a result my automatic recommendations are flooded with stuff in which I have no interest at all. I want to be able to turn off automatic recommendations from that account.
In my real-life instance of this I blocked the undesired user on my profile page but it did nothing to change the Automatic Recs on my Home Page.

36hailelib
May 25, 2009, 11:31am Top

On the account that I manage for a school I get a lot of member recommendations for books that I really don't want to even see much less actually consider. So much so that I no longer even look at them. I would love to eliminate the ones I definitely don't want from the list so that it becomes useful for me.

37Crypto-Willobie
May 25, 2009, 11:43am Top

>35 Crypto-Willobie:
Ya know what? The example I described really applies to the Connection News on my Home Page, which is just below Automatic Recommendations. And these are implicit recommendations of a kind, hence my confusion. I would like to be able to block certain accounts from contributing to my Connection New because of their overwhelming it with irrelevant titles. Friends, Innarestin Liberries, and Private Watch List are connections I've chosen, but my Top Similar Libraries I have no control over...

38jimroberts
Edited: May 25, 2009, 12:07pm Top

#34: timspalding ">32 jimroberts: Yeah, where? I'm somewhat divided on the idea. After all, you don't have the book, you have the work..."

Maybe color-code the work icon? Admitting the disadvantage that it's not a green check like the other cases, but it takes up no space and it's like the color-coding of the review icon.

(Edit "tick" to "check".)

39timspalding
May 25, 2009, 12:11pm Top

>35 Crypto-Willobie:

Automatic recommendations don't really work that way. They're book-by-book, not person-by-person. Obviously, bad data is bad data, and it changes the system. But the people you are connected to don't change your recommendations.

I move that we adjourn the "I don't want these recommendations" conversation until we have collections. Many of these problems will be solved when you can sequester all the books you're holding for your perverted uncle, or whatever, and not have them factored into recommendations.

>38 jimroberts:

I looked at putting it into the toolpad. Meh.

40infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 12:22pm Top

39: That will help too, but I'd still like a "No thanks" for Member Recommendations, just like the one for automatic recommendations. :)

41cpg
Edited: May 25, 2009, 1:23pm Top

Amen to 40. Currently my number one Member Recommendation is Tim's Holiday Cookbook by Tim Spalding as a recommendation for owners of The Book of Mormon. Tim's brother Oakes is the sole LT owner of the cookbook, and the recommendation was made by "Anonymous user". I suppose that this is funny in the same sense that the classic Wikipedia vandalism "I like cheese" is funny, but I imagine that sooner or later its hilarity will diminish.

42cpg
Edited: May 25, 2009, 1:23pm Top

Re #41: Although the recommender was listed as "Anonymous user" on the recommendations page, on the Recommendations log the recommender is listed as EnriqueFreeque. How many anti-Mormon strikes until this guy is out?

43stephmo
May 25, 2009, 1:19pm Top

Yeah, those shenanigans are rather rude - why do we allow "anonymous" recommendations anyway? If we can't review or rate without owning the book, we probably shouldn't be allowed to recommend books without at least attaching our names to the offering...

44lquilter
Edited: May 25, 2009, 1:33pm Top

39 > Why not put it on the toolpad, but not as its own thing; rather, change the color of the "person" if you own the work, just as we change the color of the talk bubble if you've written a review of that work?

I pause to note that reviews are copy-specific not work-specific, so the situations seem parallel to me.

45CarolO
May 25, 2009, 2:39pm Top

#12 seconding the Author Search Results for green checks

46staffordcastle
May 25, 2009, 3:50pm Top

Thirding Author Search Results.

Fourthing other people's catalogs.

Would like to see them in Tagwatch, Connection News and Recommendations on the home page.

47r.orrison
May 25, 2009, 3:53pm Top

Anywhere else the green checks need to be?
I'd love to see them on the various combine/separate pages, next to the edition I own.

48timspalding
May 25, 2009, 4:28pm Top

I'd love to see them on the various combine/separate pages, next to the edition I own.

Interesting idea.

49infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 4:51pm Top

48: That would be great.

50caffron
May 25, 2009, 5:24pm Top

#47, 48

Oh, gosh, PLEASE! I just had a horrible time trying to sort out my two distinct volumes of The Gulag Archipelago. It seems everybody's messed up ISBNs on that one. I started to try to fix it for everyone, then when I discovered how many titles/ISBNs didn't match up, gave up and finally fixed my own.

51timspalding
May 25, 2009, 7:22pm Top

I've added check marks into the catalog, replacing + marks, when you have the book. Since you might not have the same edition it still takes you to the Add Books page—actually, if fixes a bug that sent it other places instead.

52staffordcastle
Edited: May 25, 2009, 7:34pm Top

I just looked at my sister's library, and see the green plus signs but not the check marks. There is nothing in that spot.

Safari 3.2.3/OSX 10.4

http://www.flickr.com/photos/86595022@N00/3564116885/

53vaneska
May 25, 2009, 7:33pm Top

Ditto my sister's library!

v

54FicusFan
May 25, 2009, 8:08pm Top


I saw green checks in other libraries. Looked specifically for this thread, don't usually.

Now on FF3 XP

55Suncat
May 25, 2009, 8:13pm Top

Since I don't have a sister on LT, I had to look at a friend's library.

I see the green checkmark for books we both have, and the green plus sign for books that I don't have.

I admit I find it confusing that if we share a book, that the green checkmark essentially asks still if I want to add it. I'm sorry, but of course not, because I already have it. I think I'd prefer (if I'm asking for ponies) that it take me back to my own copy of the book. Or not take me anywhere.

Just how fine a distinction is drawn on different editions? I checked both of our copies of A Second Treasury of Knitting Patterns, and we're both using the same ISBN. If somehow LT determined that we had the exact same edition according to its own criteria, would it not show anything?

56staffordcastle
May 25, 2009, 8:28pm Top

>55 Suncat: LOL

The green checks have appeared now, after the patch of "server not responding" cleared up!

It is odd that clicking on it takes me to the Add Books function. I actually wouldn't expect it to do anything at all, beyond telling me that I have that book.

Thanks!

57Nicole_VanK
May 25, 2009, 8:32pm Top

You might still want to add another copy / edition / etc.

58Suncat
May 25, 2009, 8:49pm Top

> 57 Yes, of course you might. Maybe it's my failure of imagination, but I'd think that would be the very rare case. I thought we wanted the immediately available controls to work to the usual case.

On the occasion that I do want to add another edition, I'd be going to the work page itself and adding from there, or maybe just dropping ISBNs directly into Add Books.

It so happens that I have received secondary editions of some books from this very friend. They were other-language editions and it seemed easiest to import them by ISBN to make sure I was getting the correct thing.

59ncgraham
May 25, 2009, 8:52pm Top

I love the fact that tim described the result as "cute." Ha.

60MrsLee
May 25, 2009, 8:53pm Top

The green check marks (or ticks) are lovely. What exactly do they mean?

61christiguc
May 25, 2009, 8:55pm Top

MrsLee, they mark works that you have entered in your library.

62ncgraham
May 25, 2009, 8:55pm Top

>60 MrsLee:, they mean you have that particular book in your library already. :)

63infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 8:57pm Top

60: that you have the book cataloged in your library.

64MrsLee
May 25, 2009, 9:01pm Top

Wow! Thanks for the quick answers. :) I thought that must be what they meant, but got confused in this thread when the discussion mentioned something about clicking on it to add books. I'm going off to play now.

65Suncat
May 25, 2009, 9:04pm Top

> 64 See! See! MrsLee has just proved my point.

I think having the checkmark mean both "I already have this book" and "I want to add this book to my catalog" is going to be confusing.

67leahbird
May 25, 2009, 10:43pm Top

i love the green checks in other users catalogs. it will be EVER COOLER when there are purple wishlist checks in there as well!

68Barry
May 26, 2009, 8:29am Top

OK I apologise but I'm tired, I originally read the thread as "recommendations, now with Greek Chicks" I thought LT had become some sort of Hellenic dating agency, then I opened it and saw Tim's screenshot and realised that I was right.

69infiniteletters
May 26, 2009, 9:22am Top

Maybe green checks on the Connections comparison pages sometime. :)

70PhaedraB
May 26, 2009, 9:35am Top

68 >

that would be "Geek Chicks"

*waggling eyebrows*

71lorax
May 26, 2009, 1:22pm Top

51>

Thank you so much for re-introducing that feature; it's been missed, and requested by people who never knew it existed in the first place. (How long has it been gone, anyway?)

72r.orrison
May 27, 2009, 3:48pm Top

Back to the beginning... Anywhere else the green checks need to be?

How about in the Tag watch section of the home page?

73FicusFan
May 27, 2009, 3:58pm Top

Oooh that would be cool. I love tag watch and check it all the time. I know what books I have when I see the title mostly, but the green check would help with the books that are not in English, and have been published elsewhere under a different title (providing they were combined properly of course).

74girlunderglass
May 27, 2009, 6:08pm Top

#67 purple (or other colour) wishlist checks would be incredibly amazing!!

75timspalding
May 28, 2009, 1:44am Top

I'd love to do purple checks. I think I'd need to have a "both checks" thing too.

76khms
May 28, 2009, 2:01am Top

75: timspalding
I'd love to do purple checks. I think I'd need to have a "both checks" thing too.

That's easy. Divide it in the middle and make one side green, one purple.

77timspalding
May 28, 2009, 2:03am Top

No, I think it's slightly overlapping circles.

78kgriffith
May 28, 2009, 2:11am Top

Agreed on tag watch - would be a great addition to that module, especially if they could be wish list aware.

And yes to purple! Every website needs more purple!

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