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1timspalding
Edited: May 25, 2009, 7:58pm Top

In line with the recent improvements I made to your Statistics: Series page (see http://www.librarything.com/topic/65349), I've added similar pages for awards, characters and places.

Links to your stuff:
Series: http://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME/stats/series
Awards: http://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME/stats/awards
Characters: http://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME/stats/characters
Places: http://www.librarything.com/profile/MEMBERNAME/stats/places

Profile stats:



Screen shot:

2infiniteletters
Edited: May 25, 2009, 2:44pm Top

3staffordcastle
May 25, 2009, 2:43pm Top

:-D

4cpg
May 25, 2009, 2:44pm Top

This is definitely neat!

Two comments:

(1) There's no "All books" option for Awards, so the green checkmarks are redundant.

(2) How do you anticipate that the server load necessary to do the CK searches needed to build these lists compares to that necessary to permit direct CK searches?

5infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 2:46pm Top

Awards has "your books", and no link to all books with your awards.

This is going to create a lot of new CK edits...

6timspalding
May 25, 2009, 2:49pm Top

Awards has "your books", and no link to all books with your awards.

Yeah. It pops the memory limit for almost everyone. The 1001 Books thing is just a start. I had to remove it. Member who want it back can buy me another $20k server. ;)

7AnnieMod
May 25, 2009, 2:50pm Top

That's nice :)

8thebeadden
May 25, 2009, 2:53pm Top

Thank you! What a great feature.

9lilithcat
Edited: May 25, 2009, 3:16pm Top

Splendid. This provides a very easy way to find books that have been added to "series" that aren't.

Who's the dolt who added G.K. Chesterton and Edgar Wallace books to Harlequin Romance series?

10stephmo
May 25, 2009, 4:11pm Top

>6 timspalding: Oh, posh - a certain timpsaulding did encourage the listing of a Guardian 1000

http://www.librarything.com/topic/55404

=P

Although I don't think most folks realize what the NYTimes Bestseller would do to their lists ->

http://www.librarything.com/bookaward/New%20York%20Times%20bestseller

Had to pick a little bit. :)

But anything that gets people more addicted to finishing off CK entries is awesome. :)

On another note, I believe Fluke, now that I see it in your example up there, is a bit broken. It looks like all of Christopher Moore's books were once combined and everything got lumped into Fluke at some point. I could be wrong - I've only read Lamb, You Suck and The Stupidest Angel...but unless all of those characters suddenly meet again in Fluke, it seems a bit odd...

11stephmo
May 25, 2009, 4:25pm Top

One more question - how does it decide on what order to show the books? This is my order for Chicago, Illinois, USA:

Chicago, Illinois, USA

* Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
* Against the Day by Thomas Pynchon
* Wally's World: The Brilliant Life and Tragic Death of Wally Wood, the World's 2nd Best Comic Book Artist by Steve Starger
* Alternative Chicago: Unique Destinations Beyond the Magnificent Mile by Bill Franz
* Casino: Love and Honor in Las Vegas by Nicholas Pileggi
* The Jungle (Enriched Classics) by Upton Sinclair
* Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth by Chris Ware
* Pet Sematary by Stephen King
* The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger
* The Ford Treasury of Favorite Recipes from Famous Eating Places by Nancy Kennedy

My catalog order is by author - which isn't the order presented. And I'm obviously not in title order.

Can we get an alpha either by author or title? Just for a little organization? Pretty please?

12timspalding
May 25, 2009, 4:26pm Top

It's ordered by the parentheses values.

13infiniteletters
May 25, 2009, 4:58pm Top

Any chance of alphabetical by title/author if there are no parenthetical values?

14stephmo
May 25, 2009, 5:05pm Top

>13 infiniteletters: if there's a copy in LT, it has a parenthetical value - it's order of copies owned. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding.

Although, I want a pony! I want alpha! :)

Well, I kinda do...but I'll live since I understand it now. The nonsense of it all was throwing me for a loop. I had to double-check my catalog to make sure I hadn't changed my sort.

15SylviaC
Edited: May 25, 2009, 5:07pm Top

>9 lilithcat:

Someone did something bizarre with that Harlequin Romance series. Those mis-listed books were even given numbers. I couldn't see any combining errors causing it. I took out a few of the obvious non-Harlequins, but it looks like a big job.

ETA - And I don't even think Harlequin should be a series! But that's another discussion.

16SJaneDoe
May 25, 2009, 5:25pm Top

>15 SylviaC:, I found the same Harlequin weirdness when I was looking at The So Blue Marble, which is certainly not a romance. When I dug a little further, I found some information claiming that Harlequin used to publish non-romance books, but I don't know if that's the case or not.

I absolutely agree with you that Harlequin shouldn't be a series in the first place...but at the very least the "Romance" should be removed.

17stephmo
May 25, 2009, 5:37pm Top

Harlequin is going to be a publisher's series where they have a true monopoly over the works. It's a legitimate series as they were designed from the start.

If there are some one-offs where they don't have a true monopoly, the individual works are removed and the rest stay. There is president for that already.

18staffordcastle
May 25, 2009, 6:53pm Top

And certainly a non-romance, whether published by Harlequin or not, should not be in the Harlequin Romance series!

19hailelib
May 25, 2009, 7:47pm Top

If I'm remembering correctly, then a very long time ago the Harlequin parent company published mysteries before they settled on romance as a specialty.

20FicusFan
Edited: May 25, 2009, 9:03pm Top

I was looking at the Award page, and there is no link that I can see that separates Your Books/ All Books. There only appears to be Your books, and they all have the green check, which is redundant.

ETA: Never mind. I see that its too server intensive, and I don't have $20K lying around for one.

21timspalding
May 25, 2009, 9:11pm Top

I'll take $20. Owe me the rest ;)

22justjim
May 25, 2009, 9:11pm Top

>20 FicusFan:
I don't have $20k either, but I could probably spare $20 if there are another 999 like-minded members.

23FicusFan
May 25, 2009, 9:19pm Top



Sure I will send you $20.00. Just set up a donation link.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/83929-those-who-wou...

And do it soon, while I still have a job. :) Payroll is next Friday and they may have nothing to give us.

26leahbird
May 25, 2009, 10:27pm Top

>10 stephmo: On another note, I believe Fluke, now that I see it in your example up there, is a bit broken. It looks like all of Christopher Moore's books were once combined and everything got lumped into Fluke at some point. I could be wrong - I've only read Lamb, You Suck and The Stupidest Angel...but unless all of those characters suddenly meet again in Fluke, it seems a bit odd...

yeah, i've noticed that while doing touchstones. put in Lamb and Fluke pops up, which is weird since i'm pretty sure Lamb is more popular.

27FicusFan
May 25, 2009, 10:34pm Top

Not sure about Fluke, but there is a series in his books called Pine Cove and they share characters, and some of the Pine Cove regulars start in other books (ie The Talking Fruit Bat starts out in The Island of the Sequined Love Nun, and then ends up in Pine Cove).

Haven't read Fluke. Lamb is not a Pine Cove book, Stupidest Angel is a PC book, not sure about the 2 vamp books haven't read them yet.

28leahbird
May 25, 2009, 10:47pm Top

it's been a while since i read Fluke but it is set in Hawaii. there may be some guest appearances from Pine Cove, but it still doesn't make sense why it would show for Lamb, which is definitely not Pine Cover.

(the 2 vamp books aren't Pine Cove either, they are set in San Francisco. Bloodsucking Fiends is wonderful, You Suck is ok.)

29MrAndrew
May 26, 2009, 12:14am Top

Catch the demon is a character in a Pine Cove book (Practical Demonkeeping), and is also in Lamb (and Fluke, apparently). Not sure if that is the link, i'm a bit lost about the issue - what exactly is broken about Fluke?

30stephmo
Edited: May 26, 2009, 12:27am Top

If you look at the CK for Fluke, it looks to be a mash of all of Christopher Moore's books. As if someone had once combined every single one of them together and later separated them. Like I said, if Biff, The Three Wisemen and Mary Magdalene show up in Fluke, I could totally be wrong - along with the angel from The Stupidest Angel...but I don't think there are over 100 named characters in Fluke.

I may have only read 3 of his books thus far, but 100 characters in a single book all with a mention? That's not really his style...

ETA - My main issue is that I could really only subtract characters I know from You Suck, Lamb & The Stupidest Angel...but I don't know that they don't show up in Fluke. So I guess I'm looking for someone awesome to clean up Fluke.

Oh - and in the quotes? The IKEA line is from The Stupidest Angel...unless he found a way to use it twice. You know, because Zombies crave both brains and ready-to-assemble Scandinavian furnishings.

31leahbird
Edited: May 26, 2009, 1:40am Top

i'm pretty sure Fluke is almost a stand-alone, which is rare for Moore. like i said, it's been a while since i read it, but i don't remember Catch being in it.

edited to fix touchstone

32leahbird
May 26, 2009, 1:55am Top

ok, i went through and removed the bulk of the CK for Fluke. the stuff that is left is what i could verify on Moore's website. i'm sure someone will eventually be upset with me for this, but it was insanely wrong before.

i still don't know why the touchstone for Lamb always brings up Fluke instead...

33justjim
Edited: May 26, 2009, 1:56am Top

>31 leahbird:, your link goes to the James Herbert Fluke. I'm sure you guys are talking about the Christopher Moore Fluke, or, I Know Why the Winged Whale Sings.

You caught my attention because I've only heard of the Herbert (good book, not seen the movie yet) and all this talk of Moore had me bamboozled for a while.

34leahbird
Edited: May 26, 2009, 2:00am Top

yeah, Fluke has destroyed touchstones apparently. the one for Fluke above, i've actually chosen the correct Moore book and it still goes to the wrong one. and then, when i try Lamb, Fluke shows up and i have to choose Lamb from the list, but then it actually goes where it's supposed to. it's whacky.

eta: and now it's not even showing up as touchstoned...

35pmarshall
May 26, 2009, 2:12am Top

On my series page it just lists the books I have in the series, not the entire series so it lacks context. Is this just my problem?

36sqdancer
May 26, 2009, 2:18am Top

Did you click "All Books"? It defaults to "Your Books".

37mwade
May 26, 2009, 2:21am Top

35 - Default is your books at the top - just change that to All books

9 - Add to the NOT a Harlequin list (have no idea how to change that) Rink Rat by Don MacMillan - listed as #78. It is hockey fiction from 1949 not a Harlequin!

38r.orrison
May 26, 2009, 2:32am Top

To fix it, go to the work and remove "Harlequin" from the CK (click the pencil icon to the right of the Series fields, then blank out the Harlequin entry). You don't edit the series to add or remove things from it, you edit the work to add or remove it from a series.

39kgriffith
May 26, 2009, 2:54am Top

I love love love this feature; thank you so much!

One question, which may have been addressed in Collections talk (I've been away for the weekend and haven't caught up): Is there any way to differentiate between wishlisted books and owned books in series statistics? Clearly, the green checks on books on the wish list defeats the purpose of this feature for me (to figure out what I still need) if there's no distinction between owned and unowned.

40sqdancer
May 26, 2009, 3:02am Top

I believe there was some talk of having wishlisted books show purple checkmarks/ticks instead of green.

41kathrynnd
May 26, 2009, 3:04am Top

Rink Rat was republished by Harlequin in 1951, so it is a Harlequin, just not exclusively so and so doesn't belong in the LT series. I quietly deleted the CK series for several works in other publisher series where the books had been previously published too, Brief Histories is now half the size it was before.

42leahbird
May 26, 2009, 3:18am Top

>39 kgriffith: & 40

yeah, it's been suggested and tim seems to like the idea. here's the thread about it.

43bugaderes39
Edited: May 26, 2009, 4:43am Top

BUG: I've got some prizes and some series that don't appear on those statistics. For instance, "Premi Sant Jordi de novel·la" as a prize and "L'atzar i les ombres" as a serie.

44andyl
May 26, 2009, 6:54am Top

A few slight issues.

Paging is a little off. I have 250 awards, it shows 11 pages the last page has no data.

The last page with no data also says "Library contains no series".

1/ It is the awards page so it should say awards and not series.
2/ It is a poor message. I have 10 previous pages of books with awards. If the fix to not show an empty last page is not easy the message should be reworded.

45amysisson
May 26, 2009, 9:06am Top

Nice!

Is it possible to add an alpha jump for the names of awards? Otherwise, if I'm interested in the Hugo Award, for example, I have to try and guess it might be on the 13th page of my award statistics or so, then narrow it down by going forward or backward from there. It would be much easier if I could jump to "H" for Hugo.

46AnnieMod
May 26, 2009, 9:23am Top

OK - something is really off with the numbers:
Common Knowledge in your Library
262 Series
====
Series in your library

Your books | All books

Summary: 295 Series.

Looking at this, the bigger number is the correct one. Any idea where these 33 series are hiding for the other number?

47infiniteletters
May 26, 2009, 9:38am Top

45: Alternatively, is it possible to take the 1st 3 letters of the 1st and last award on the page and make that dividers?

48WLFobe
May 26, 2009, 9:47am Top

Some books that are in series are not appearing on my list of series.

An example is Robert Chase's "Game of Fox & Lion". It is the first of s series, but when I click on the link to take to that series, I get a page that says the number of books in that series is "0".

49AnnieMod
Edited: May 26, 2009, 9:54am Top

It seems to be in your list from what I see... But the series list itself leads to a wrong address.
It should be
http://www.librarything.com/series/Game+of+Fox+%2526+Lion
instead it is
http://www.librarything.com/series/Game+of+Fox+%26+Lion

(The & does not get escaped...)

50dchaikin
May 26, 2009, 11:02am Top

This are really nice. They need to be searchable eventually. My Awards "page" runs 14 pages.

51infiniteletters
May 26, 2009, 12:01pm Top

48: There's a known bug with ampersands in series names.

52FicusFan
May 26, 2009, 12:08pm Top

> 51 Actually its any non-standard character. It can't handle accent marks either.

53AnnieMod
May 26, 2009, 12:19pm Top

Well - it works if you escape it - so all that needs to happen is to change the link on the series list in the profile to escape it properly.

54CarolO
May 26, 2009, 12:45pm Top

THANK YOU!

I LOVE being able to see what books I have in a series and which ones I don't yet have.

Very, very cool - thank you!

55saltmanz
Edited: May 26, 2009, 1:26pm Top

1> Um. Hm. I don't see this at all. Only the books in My Library show up on this new Series page, just like the old Series page. What am I missing?

Edit- Never mind, I WAS missing something.

56timspalding
May 26, 2009, 1:44pm Top

>44 andyl: Fixed. Forgot to see if the mod was 0.

57Anneli
May 26, 2009, 1:56pm Top

>43 bugaderes39:
It is not a bug. If the series or prize is added in some other language version of the site than English, the series etc. don't show in the statistics.

58timspalding
May 26, 2009, 2:02pm Top

It's a bug. The bug is that the system doesn't adequately deal with CK edits across languages. We do need to fix it.

59norabelle414
May 26, 2009, 2:28pm Top

Now all we need is a "books you need to complete series" page.... with a big fat print button :-)

60infiniteletters
May 26, 2009, 2:35pm Top

In other words, the series books you _don't_ have. :)

61stephmo
May 26, 2009, 2:45pm Top

Can it print the money I need to complete the series too?

(Just a joke! I know counterfeiting is wrong should anyone from the Secret Service and/or Treasury be checking for key words!)

62Anneli
Edited: May 26, 2009, 3:14pm Top

>58 timspalding: It's a bug. The bug is that the system doesn't adequately deal with CK edits across languages. We do need to fix it.

From some other posts I got the impression that at least the series feature was supposed to work like it is working now. I am glad to hear that the problem is acknowledged and we can expect improvement. I hope you can fix it.

63timspalding
Edited: May 26, 2009, 4:02pm Top

>59 norabelle414:

The Shopping List function.

>62 Anneli:

It's a bug and not a bug. We *do* want language-specific fields for some CK, but not all. The current situation is weird, and produces weirdness.

64Helcura
May 26, 2009, 4:39pm Top

Oh, this is lovely! Thank you! :)

65bugaderes39
May 27, 2009, 2:29am Top

58> Thank YOU, Tim!!! There's a world out there and we love LibraryThing!!!

66andejons
May 29, 2009, 4:16pm Top

This is a very nice feature, but I think it would be even nicer if we could also choose to sort by number of books in our libraries. As it is, I can't get too much out of Characters since it's filled with every name Tolkien ever mentioned and lots of one-book characters (nothing wrong with either type, but it's not as interesting as seeing Achillevs listed as in both the The Iliad and Gödel, Escher, Bach).

67rsterling
Edited: May 29, 2009, 9:33pm Top

Shouldn't this page be drawing from the CK of the appropriate language-domain version of LT? Right now, I'm getting the same English data whether I'm signed on to www.librarything.com or www.librarything.fr I was thinking about talking up this and some other features on the French groups, but it might not be of interest if it's only pulling from English-language CK (or if the English-language stuff is showing up and overshadowing other language-specific data).

PS, and it's not showing the non-English language-domain-specific data at all. So if I have something that's listed in a series in the Norwegian or French CK data, that series doesn't show up if I'm logged into the Norwegian or French site.

68WLFobe
Jun 3, 2009, 9:05pm Top

Speaking of languages, apparently the system has stopped counting languages other than English for the statistics. I have many books that were originally in other languages and since translated. But the statistics page lists everything as originally as in English - even those Loeb editions that are side-by-side Greek/Latin/English.

69AnnieMod
Jun 4, 2009, 2:50am Top

Hm - mine looks ok - all languages are recognized and counted separately. Are you sure you had not forced the original language to be English in your library through power edit or something like this?

70lorax
Jun 4, 2009, 12:16pm Top

68>

WLFobe, I looked at your library (did a tag search on "classical") and you have the "original language" set to English for all of the books so tagged. As AnnieMod says, my own statistics look fine; it looks like you've accidentally done a rogue Power Edit on your library.

71lorax
Jun 4, 2009, 12:28pm Top

68>

I was just doing some cleanup in my own library, and was reminded that the Power Edit feature has recently become even more powerful; there's now a "Select all books in your library" option, rather than just the "select all books on the page"; an accidental use of this could very easily have resulted in changing the original language of everything in your library to English in one fell swoop.

72WLFobe
Jun 4, 2009, 8:43pm Top

To the best of my knowledge I haven't picked the "select all" option, but its possible. Can I undo this?

73timspalding
Jun 5, 2009, 5:03pm Top

What sort of numbers are we talking about, do you think? I can check out backups.

74timspalding
Jun 5, 2009, 6:07pm Top

The data I have at hand is the same as the ones on your profile stats (see http://www.librarything.com/profile/WLFobe/stats/library). Is this incomplete?

75WLFobe
Jun 5, 2009, 7:36pm Top

Rather. I went in and reset some of the books to Ancient Greek. The system says I have 6 such books, but when I click on the link to these it only shows me 2?

76bw42
Jun 5, 2009, 8:33pm Top

#73 He has 1273 books of which 6 are not English in the Original Language. So he will have to look at 1267 books the majority of which are English but, just at a quick glance, many of which are not (Jules Verne, Lao Tsu). I don't know what he did but something certainly set these to English.

77WLFobe
Jun 6, 2009, 9:08pm Top

At the following link - which I access from my statistics page -

http://www.librarything.com/catalog/WLFobe&originallanguage=grc

I show 6 Ancient Greek books, 4 Spanish and 2 Latin. But when I click on the Greek link it only shows me 2 of the 6 it says I have. It shows me all 4 Spanish that it says I have. And it shows me I have no Latin books. Despite telling me otherwise.

78FicusFan
Jun 7, 2009, 12:48pm Top

Well counts seem to be off all over. I still don't have the same series count on the home page/profile page and the series page.

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