The LE Diary of Samuel Pepys
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On AbeBooks, I keep seeing the set (pub. date 2003) advertised as coming in a custom wooden case. Is that something FS sent it in? If so, is that no longer true for the set offered now?
Edited for confusing 'case' pun. It was not intended.
It sounds to me like the set with the wooden case is a LE. As I also saw the Pepys set on abebooks with individual slipcases.
>2 - However, both the printing of 2003 and the one still available from FS are LE. I'm just wondering about any differences between them, mainly this custom wooden case I keep hearing about.
As I remember, when the set was first offered, you could order it with or without the wooden case. I don't think these cases were offered with any subsequent printings which came in slip cases only. With or without, this is the best and most complete edition of Pepys available.
>4 - Oh, I see. Too bad they don't offer the case anymore; I'd have to buy it from AbeBooks for that. And yes, consider me very tempted by that blasted set. Luckily enough, after that Spring Sale, such a purchase would be absolutely out of the question. I can lust after it all I want, but some things are not meant to be... yet.
Thank you very much for replying.
>4 - Does the text of it differ in any way from the multi-volume set published by the University Of California Press in the 70s?
I don't know the University of California Press edition, but the FS edition is an exact reprint (apart from some b&w plates) of "The Diary of Samuel Pepys: A new and complete transcription edited by Robert Latham and William Matthews", published in the UK during the 1970s by G. Bell and Sons Limited (subsequently Bell & Hyman Limited). It is the standard edition. Volumes 1-9 comprise the complete diary, with full scholarly notes. Volume 10 (1983) is a Companion and contains articles about Pepys and general articles about everything from Music to the Navy, Health, Domestic Life in 17th Century London, individuals mentioned in the diary, etc, etc, etc. Some articles are a few lines, some are tens of pages. In its 600+ pages it also includes maps, plans, family trees, chronologies, etc. Volume 11 (1983) is an exhaustive 318-page index to the whole diary. The Univ of Cal edition may well be an American printing of this edition, but I haven't seen it.
I want it bad. Now I just need to win the lottery and find some shelf space. But I would love this for my collection. A dream....
>7 - Yes, sounds like UCP text and the Bell & Hyman text are one and the same. The UCP edition is very handsome, well printed, sturdy, Smythe-sewn -- at least in its 70s incarnations. The Folio edition looks gorgeous but the UCP would make a perfectly respectable alternative for those who balk at the price of the Folio -- plus you get those extra black-and-white plates. Full sets of the UCP edition go for around $400, when they can be found.
The Bell & Hyman edition is also very attractive on the shelf, bound in green cloth with a red spine label, lettering in gold and an intricate device on the front board, also in gold, comprising Pepys's initials SP intertwined with anchors and ropes. The top edges are stained green. This is very handsome if you don't want the expense of quarter leather and hand-marbled boards. I have to admit, though, that I was unable to resist the Folio edition (I did try, really), despite having collected the Bell & Hyman when it was originally published.
>10 - The Bell & Hyman sounds identical, production-wise, to the UCP volumes. I collected the whole UCP set in the 80s and find it wholly satisfactory -- so CANNOT POSSIBLY justify getting the Folio edition . . .
. . . and yet, and yet . . .
About the Bell & Hyman and UCP editions: can anyone tell me about the paper quality? I've found some used collections of both available for reasonable prices, but if the paper ain't good...
The early UCP printings are first-rate in all departments. They're really well-made books. My copies still look pristine. Back in the Seventies, UCP had production standards equal to those of any university press and far better than most commercial publishers. No Nigerian goatskin, of course, but otherwise quite fine.
>14 - That's great to hear! Thanks.
Anyone know about the Bell & Hyman edition? If not, I think I know what I'll end up getting. It certainly won't include Nigerian goatskin, though...
Irieisa, you should have no fears about the quality of the Bell & Hyman edition. It is printed on excellent paper which has not discoloured in any way on my copies which are now 30+ years old. The binding itself is sturdy and looks very impressive on the shelf (See >10 above). In fact, the binding would not be out of place on a Folio edition. Happy reading!
>16 - All right, then, sounds like I'm good no matter which I get! Hooray!
Now I don't have to worry about blowing a thousand bucks on a single set... Thank goodness. The guilt would be spectacular.
>17 - "Now I don't have to worry about blowing a thousand bucks on a single set... Thank goodness. The guilt would be spectacular."
But so would the gilt.
>16 - "Happy reading" indeed. There is no better everyday company in literature than Pepys -- unless it be Lord Byron in his letters and journals.
Has Folio ever done a complete multi-volume edition of these, by the way? Leslie Marchand's twelve-volume edition, done by Harvard University Press, was another of the great publishing events of the 70s -- and another handsome, well-made set worth collecting.
Byron is endlessly infuriating and endlessly entertaining in his letters:
"A woman should never be seen to eat and drink in public, unless it be lobster salad and champagne."
And . . .
"I would, to be beloved by that woman, build and burn another Troy."
A very sweet man, underneath it all -- like Pepys.
>18 - I didn't see that one coming (though I should have), but yes, that is all too true... Ah, the guilty gilt, the gilty guilt...
Now I REALLY want to read Byron's letters. I need to know if he would populate his Troy following the building and prior the burning. That right there would be a very sweet man indeed.
You've just added twelve volumes to my wish-list. I hope you're proud of yourself. (Said in resentful voice.)
Edit: Sorry for the double-post. I blame either LT or Lloydville!
Irieisa, I've been dreaming of getting the Pepys set for awhile and have the same issue of trying to justify so I don't have to deal with the guilt. I still can't seem to convince the wife that the kids don't need a college fund because they can just use my library to educate themselves.
The beauty of self-education is that it can't ever end. Without a piece of paper from a prestigious institution saying you're officially educated, you just have to keep reading and reading and reading.
(I suspect your wife won't fall for this line, but there's some truth in it.)
>20 - "You've just added twelve volumes to my wish-list. I hope you're proud of yourself. (Said in resentful voice.)"
Someday you'll thank me. You may be living in a van down by the river, with all your books in a U-Haul trailer hooked up to it -- but you'll thank me.
Lloydville, I've tried that. Even with myself being self-educated and working as a programmer it hasn't worked.
>17, >18, >21, etc. "The guilt would be spectacular. ... But so would the gilt."
Even Samuel had a twinge now and again. Having made a vow to abstain from extravagance...
"22 February 1664.
... and so to a picture-sellers...and there looked over the maps of several cities and did buy two books of cities stitched together, cost me 9s 6d; and when I came home, thought of my vowe and paid 5s into my poor-box for it, hoping in God that I shall forfeit no more in that kind."
It's somehow comforting to know that our little vice is nothing new.
>21 - Would paying in installments not work either? And college isn't so much about the education as the degrees; one needs 'em to get most any job, sadly.
>23 - If that happened I likely would have no internet, and thus could buy little more (I buy almost exclusively online). Of course, that would just allow the cycle to continue... Well, I've been trying to exercise restraint lately, and it has worked a little bit. I shall learn to resist temptation (when convenient)!
Just to get it out of the way, thank you, Lloydville, for helping the first of my four Amazon.com wish-lists reach (and surpass) the 300 mark. It has gotten so fat and unwieldy...
>25 - That IS comforting. Makes it ironic that I'd have to spend some two-hundred dollars to flip through the book and comfort myself.
>26 - "Well, I've been trying to exercise restraint lately, and it has worked a little bit. I shall learn to resist temptation (when convenient)!"
"I can resist anything but temptation" -- Oscar Wilde
>27 - And so, hope fades... Life, why are you so unfair? Why are the things I want expensive? Why is Lloydville causing the ruination of my ever-so-innocent dreams?
Anyway... At least I haven't succumbed to memorising my parent's credit card information. ;-) Not that it's really tempting. It would just be easy.
Irieisa, I'm already using installments for the spring sale and my easton press addiction. Don't even start with Ebay. As to college, the degree opens the door for you. It's experience (and work ethic, intelligence, etc) that will make your career. But, to get past the first pass of resumes a degree certainly helps.
>29 - I'm barely keeping myself back from the Easton Press books. I keep telling myself I need to save for the next FS sale, in addition to working on gathering more LOA books. I'm paying in instalments for my Spring Sale order, too...
It's hard to get a job with a degree, let alone without. Thus, college is necessary; not necessarily education, though.
Ah, Irieisa, don't be so hard on college - you haven't even gotten there yet! It's not all Hollywood makes it out to be. Keep an open mind, choose your school wisely (when the time comes), and you might be pleasantly surprised.
>31 - Oh, of course it isn't! I'm not saying that college is "bad," per se, nor that it's just a party place. I just mean that there are people who don't really require some of the courses taught, but they have to take them anyway, and there are people who are incompetent even after graduating. The former still need degrees to get jobs, and the latter will get jobs so long as they have degrees. "Thus, college is necessary; not necessarily education, though." That's all.
I dropped out of college when I realized 1) it was costing my parents an awful lot of money, 2) it was interfering with my education, and 3) I didn't need a degree for my chosen profession.
Looking back on it now, however, the idea of a free place to live with three squares a day and access to a good research library sounds like heaven. (I'm still glad I saved my parents the dough, though.)
32: Are they giving out jobs now to anyone with a degree? Prepare yourself for a shock down the road.
I think of college (or at least, a liberal arts degree) as continuing education, rather than a degree-for-job deal (or a vocational school, where I learn a trade).
You have to take some foreign language, some literature, some science, etc. And at the end, if you've worked at it, you may be a little more able to be an interesting person than someone who never took any of that.
Not to say that you can't learn all that outside of college, but it's a lot harder to do so.
>33 - I'll be going to a community college for the first two years since said years don't make much difference, so that should cut down on the cost. After that, I don't plan on going anywhere expensive, but that remains to be seen.
>34 - Ah, I worded that badly. What I meant is that there are plenty of incompetent people who have gotten jobs; they aren't hard to find. That's all.
College, in my own opinion, is a place to get a degree. It's great if you pick up things along the way, but I wouldn't bet too much on it.
Iriesa, I respect your opinion, but I'll respect it more once you've been!
I went, and this is my personal take:
People who were looking for more than a degree were able to find it.
There are all kinds of classes on crazy and interesting subjects. Once out of school, it's harder to find the time or rationalization to study things like tree health, Economic policies of sub-saharan Africa, early Irish literature, southeast asian tribal cultures, etc.
And the library is worth a lot, not to mention the amazing and free online facilities (that weren't there when I went).
>37 - Good point.
I think I'll take college for what it's worth, but I won't go in with high expectations. That way, it can pleasantly surprise me. ;-)
My view is that college is very often wasted on the young. My first degree was very much a case of going through the motions in order to get the qualification. Frankly I learn't far more outside the classroom than in, so it was more a case of learning life lessons than academic ones. After a long break from education I recently completed a Masters, which I undertook on a part time basis whilst working full-time. I found my commitment and desire to learn so much greater this time around, and consequently the academic experience was on a completely different level.
>39 -- Good point. A year off before college, for work or travel, would probably produce some of the same effect.
I'd agree with gistak. It's what you make of it.
College was the best experience of my life so far. Yes, I still learn on my own - but I loved going to class, discussing the material that I'd read, kicking around ideas, etc. My college had a strong general education set of requirements which, at the time, seemed annoying, but looking back, I think it was wonderful. I never would have discovered my interest in reading about subjects such religion or sociology if not for those requirements. And I had several amazing professors, some of whom I still keep in touch with, who cultivated my inquisitiveness, a trait that has served me well in the "real world".
And I have to say, I was no regular party-goer, but the social experiences were priceless as well. I finally found peers I could relate to and forged several lifelong friendships, to say nothing of the memories we made. Like the time we got on television at a Yankee game...or getting to see The Producers the week after it opened...meeting Robert Fagles and getting him to sign my copy of The Iliad...the snowball fights...the Flag Day BBQ's...studying abroad...
And all for the bargain price of 4-yr state school tuition! My parents have told me many times that they never regretted paying a single penny of it. And I still thank them for paying it!
I'll refrain from further cynical remarks until I've been to college. Else, I have no credibility, and it isn't worth it.
So long as college is better than elementary school, I should be fine with it, and elementary school was hell. College couldn't be worse, right?
Unrelated, but I'll note that it sucks being a cynic in a group of enthusiastic people (assuming they are enthusiastic people I like).
>41 - "I had several amazing professors . . ."
A good professor is priceless. The one bright spot in my brief college career was a professor of American literature who spoke with such excitement and enthusiasm and humor about the "classics" that he made them come alive -- made me want to read them for fun more than for erudition.
I have to contrast him, however, with the many other professors who managed to turn subjects I arrived at college loving into drudgery.
It gave me the impression that a good professor was as rare as a good friend, though just as much of a treasure.
Nothing to add to this thread, only.......I so want the FSLE Pepys!!!!!!!!
>44 - me too... but alas, there is no space left in the house between my books, my husbands lego, and the not too far off arrival of a baby... that, and I've now given up paid employment for the forseeable future so my remaining money is a finite resource :-(
Re #44: It is a large club, LesMiz. A few years ago I would have bought it, but it seemed to be no longer available (I didn't, but should have called Customer Service). Then the Blake-illustrated Night Thoughts consumed my large-purchase budget, probably for the next few years, so unless it becomes a renewal offer, I will have to remain content with the 3 volume version the Society offered several years ago, and my old Bright/Wheatley edition--and can there be THAT much more text in the LE Pepys?
Would such a wonder as the FSLE of Pepys ever become a renewal offer?
Have they ever offered anything so attractive or expensive?
>47 - The edition is almost sold out -- only 57 copies left -- so I wouldn't count on it ever being offered as a special.
I don't think FS LEs will ever be offered as renewal offers. The first point is that the renewal offer usually valued at appx £80 maximum and all the FS LEs cost more than that. However, a second point is that I believe the FS LEs are actually sold by a different company to the regular FS editions. Last time I looked at FS's official filed accounts on the FAME database, I seem to recall there is a company called something like Folio Society Fine Editions Ltd - I suspect that is the company that handles the LEs and megaexpensive facsimiles from German publishers. It would unnecessarily complicate internal accountancy to give "free" the product of one division to promote sales in another division.
If there is real interest in this fine editions division in this group, I'll dig out the figures from FAME.
I think they don't discount the LEs in order to preserve the brand, not because of their corporate structure. Consider that they allow purchases of LEs to count as renewal books (one LE usually does the job of the requisite four books) - isn't this an example of one division giving books free to promote sales in another?
The basic and at times infuriating pricing model of FS appears to be price discrimination (the airline model) - rather than finding the equilibrium price for a given publication and fixing it there, they offer it (via sales, renewals, etc) at a spectrum of prices, thus capturing more revenue from the budget conscious (who are prepared to put in the hours, construct the endless buying algorithms) to the lazier, less hawkish consumers.
Because LEs are inherently luxury products compromising on price would tarnish the brand and ultimately reduce profits.
I have ordered this set and I am tremendously excited.
I viewed a couple of volumes in the Members Room before making the plunge. They are quite beautiful and quite unlike any other production Folio volume. I love the stained and guilded sides - with the marbled covers and the thick paper the volumes have a genuine antique feel to them.
>51 QS66 I am extremely pleased for you. It is, along with a complete set of the Waverley Novels, a goal of mine to acquire at some point.
I am, however feeling quite pleased for myself having at last become a proud owner of the Encyclopaedia Britannica 32 volume set.
It is something I have desired for a long time, and I captured it at such a bargain price, you will excuse me for feeling ever so slightly satisfied in that after dinner way, when you have eaten far too much but not enough to feel indigestion. :-)
Thank you Les Miserables.
I would love to see some Scott in Folio editions as well - particularly Waverley, Heart of Midlothian and Ivanhoe.
Congratulations on the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Full set encyclopaedias are great. When I was a kid I had a full set of a childrens encyclopeadia. There was nothing more magical than browsing through them and aquiring odd bits of unexpected knowledge.
Conngratulations on the Encyclopedia.
My parents bought a complete 13th edition (1926) Encyclopedia Britannica as a gift for me some 23 years ago. 200 norwegian kroner (about £20) for 32000 pages. It is worn but no pages is missing so I have found it very useful.
I was just about jumping with joy at the time, and it has stayed with me all these years.
Thanks Ardagor :-)
In Australia the latest EB (2007) Print set is selling for around AUD$2000
I managed to get it from the Book Depository inc. postage for £400 which included a special 10% one day discount on anything.
That's around AUD$810
A saving of around AUD$1200!!!!!!!
I'm wondering whether or not to splash out on the LE Pepys Diary at £690 (approx $1100) for the 11 sumptuous volumes limited to 1000 sets (only 54 left!). Does anyone know if this was the original Folio Society price or have they increased it as they did with The Wind in the Willows toward the end of the LE run? Also, they originally offered the set with either a custom oak bookcase (I don't know if this option cost more) or in individual slipcases. Does anyone have any knowledge of the wooden case option - it doesn't seem to be on offer any more :(
I think the early sets came in a wooden case as opposed to the now current slipcases. The wooden bookcase is no longer available and copies are individually slipcased. Actually, this suits me as I have a shelf in my bookcases ready and waiting to receive the Pepys and I don't know where I would have put the custom book case.
I don't know whether or not the price has remained constant.
These are realy unique and beautiful books. At £690.00 for 11 volumes it is the best value Folio LE - working out at £62.00 per book. This is, I believe, still the original LE edition printing - it has not been reprinted and LE's never are reprinted. However, the current stock may have been more recently bound than 2003.
I wish mine would hurry up and dispatch though - I ordered it 6 working days ago and it is still listed as "pending".
Yes - in fact I find the account page very confusing. I buy a lot of my books in the Members Room and most of these are listed as "Pending" or "at the warehouse" !!
>59 - My copy of "Night Thoughts" was listed as "at warehouse" even as it arrived at my door.
I wonder then if LE's are are shipped from a different source and don't go through the usual warehouse ? I understand Folio have a seperate company that deals with the LE's.
>61 - They definitely use a different shipping method -- for the U. S. it's an international express company that delivers to the U. S. Post Office, who deliver it to your door because it requires a signature. The LEs also arrive much more quickly than regular books.
>59 - Well, at least it shows the orders/purchases at all. I think it's an improvement.
>46 Hi, my understanding is that the 3 vol FS Pepys is actually textually no longer that the 1985 Shorter Pepys (ie. containing about one third the complete text of the full Matthews-Latham LE edition) but with more in the way of illustration, footnotes, commentary and indexing - I note little difference in the total number of pages except that the 3 volumes are bigger! If you want the full text you have to go Bell&Hyman, UCP (both around £200/$340 minimum for good copies) or FSLE (£690/$1100 aagh!). Its a shame that although the FSLE is by a mile the most sumptuous and covetable, some contributors to this thread indicate that the other two editions may have more illustrations/plates. Can anyone with either set confirm this?
I called Folio this morning and they said the LE had "not come in yet" and should be with them the end of this week and then dispatched - so that's about 2 weeks after I ordered it.
That's fine as they do say to allow 21 days for delivery - but it does seem that there are different logistics involved for ordering LE's as opposed to non - LE's which seem to dispatch quickly.
I'm just damn impatient to get my hands on those books !!!!
Quicksilver, glad to see another Scott fan. I'm hoping they'll consider one or two of his poetic works published prior to Waverley - The Lady of the Lake or The Lay of the Last Minstrel, with a most entrancing and heartwrenching openings:
The way was long, the wind was cold,
The Minstrel was infirm and old;
His wither'd cheek, and tresses gray,
Seem'd to have known a better day;
The harp, his sole remaining joy,
Was carried by an orphan boy.
The last of all the Bards was he,
Who sung of Border chivalry;
For, welladay! their date was fled,
His tuneful brethren all were dead;
And he, neglected and oppress'd,
Wish'd to be with them, and at rest.
In Scotland and Ireland, the Bards were outlawed by the English, because they kept the traditions alive in their ballads, and carried news from one hamlet to the next.
Re #66: What about "Marmion," with my favorite Scott quote:
O Woman! in our hours of ease,
Uncertain coy, and hard to please,
And variable as the shade
By the light quivering aspen made;
When pain and anguish wring the brow,
A ministering angel thou!
Osbaldistone and Django
That's magical !!!
You can hear the Scottish accent in the poetry - it can be heard loud and clear even by a Londoner such as myself.
>68 - Unless, like me, you haven't heard enough Scottish people speak. :-( I tried applying a semi-Scottish accent in my mind to the quotations, but it didn't sound right...
Les - soon you will develop a hybrid Scottish/ Australian accent - Scottralian or Austtish !!
Yup I do salivate over the prospect of the Pepys, but for the time being I am going to have to obstain! I'm sad enough to have a picture of the set on a shelf by my bed!
>74 - ...but interesting! ;-) (I simply must try to have the last word, even when it makes no sense!)
That is soooooooooooooooo sad :-)
Okay: I now have on my radar.... Macauley's History of England, Pepys Complete Volumes and maybe another dozen or so other tempting delights.
>72 - I think I'm being insulted! I haven't developed any trace of a Scottish accent, but I do find myself saying things like "aye" and "no bother" sometimes. People at home would laugh their heads off if they could hear me.
>69 - Irieisa, I was trying to think of Scottish movie to reccommend so you could get your ear in, but I can only think of Braveheart, Rob Roy and Trainspotting, which are all pretty graphic in their different ways!
>78 - I'm very used to graphic things. I have the INTERNET! ;-) So, whatever kind of graphic you mean, I'm fine with it.
>79 - Somehow the word "quiet" makes it seem very charming indeed. I wonder why...
I have received my LE Pepys set and it realy is the most beautiful set and quite unlike any other Folio book I have seen.
Each volume is very light and comfortable to hold. The paper is wove and thick. The Ann Muir marbled covers are stunning - each one unique and different. Above all - its a great read. The lengthy introductory chapters are fascinating and I am already into the diary proper.
Pepys is great for occasional reading. I am reading through systematically - but you can put him aside and read an entry or two whenever you want. I think you could leave him for a month and then come back - no thread for you to loose as would be the case in other books. Good bedtime reading as well.
It's been a great weekend because I picked up my copy of the equally beautiful Decameron LE.
I need more of these books. Damn the Folio Society !!!!!
Would it be too cheeky to ask any of you lucky LE Pepys owners to take some pictures of the books? Because there's no way in heaven, hell or earth I'd be able to afford/justify spending nearly £700 on one set (no matter how much I'd love to -- and I really, really would!) and I'm very curious to see a bit more detail. Torture as I'm sure it would be :-)
Here you go - some not very good pics of the first volume. I can't photograph them all as I am at my fiance's home and only have the one volume with me. She would go crazy if I turned up with 11 volumes !!!
The link includes my LE Decameron as well.
I can only describe the feel of the book as a new 18th century book - if that makes sense. It is how I imagine an antiquarian book would have looked and felt if bought new in the 18th century.
Lady Lu and Quicksilver, I do not like thee!
How can I justify buying the LE Pepys after springing for Night Thoughts?...hmmmm...well, needs must when the devil drives....
I can't stop looking at it. It's beautiful!!! Just one question; is the type really spotty as it appears in the picture or is that just the photograph?
Atheistic - no, it's just my poor camera. The type is crystal clear.
Django - thanks. I know how you feel. My advice (finances allowing) is to go for it and you will not regret it - these books are a bibliophiles dream.
I also can't get over how beautiful the Decameron LE is. These are my first LE's and I am very impressed.
>87 - I'm dreaming of the day I get my first LE, but nothing that falls in my price range really strikes my fancy enough...
This discussion of the Pepys LE must stop. It must stop now. More pictures of it must NOT be posted.
>89 - Oh, Lloydville, I'm terribly sorry I started the discussion, too... So much book envy, too much, too much!
Though I'd actually rather have The New Naturalists... Funny, that.
Lloydville and Irieisa
Sorry guys. I know how miserable and poor book envy can make one.
But there is plenty of time to get the Pepys if you want to - there are 50 copies left and they aren't exactly flying of the shelves !! My guess is that copies will be available for at least another year - at least they have a Domesday clock linked to the item so you can see the stock level.
I must admit that I finance some of my more expensive Folio items by selling older non-Folio items on ebay. I financed 50 % of the Pepys purchase price that way.
Incidentally, the text on this has not been reset by Folio. This is obvious because there are two typos in the introduction and Folio books never have typos (not that I am aware of).
That is unusual as Folio usually reset their texts. Perhaps on such a huge work resetting would have taken too long and possibly increased the costs of publishing the book and its price.
>91 - I'm only miserable because there is no sympathy for my book love at home anymore. I had a dream one of them was hacking my paper treasures to bits. Closest thing to a nightmare I've had. Thus, Pepys is not an option...
Also, I found at least two typos in my Folio Rebecca. ;-)
Folio used to have typos regularly - for a while there, I found one or more in every volume. They're getting rare nowadays, no doubt due to the improved computer systems they're using.
>93 - The typos I found in Rebecca weren't entirely surprising, since they were still words - just not the right words. I think one was just missing an "s" at the end, or something along those lines. They didn't bother me because the meaning was still clear.
I think—but I'm not sure: perhaps comebody can confirm what I say—that the Pepys's Diary LE is a kind of facsimile of the Bell&Hyman 1970–6 edition. Resetting the whole work would have been tremendous, especially dealing with the footnotes which almost never run on the next page. (Methinks I noticed one exception, and a footnote is also missing somewhere.) I don't know how Latham&Mathews could do this in the 1970s: perhaps with a strong interaction between them and the printer, and their adjusting the length of notes accordingly. To me, this is a typographical prodigy.
I sympathize with you. So don't look at my flickr page http://www.flickr.com/photos/9280810@N07/3785661978/
>96 - I clicked, and immediately my mind screamed: "WHY?" I'll go mad with Folio envy. Unless I already have...
In which case, it surely can't get any worse!
>98 - "I'll go mad with Folio envy. Unless I already have... In which case, it surely can't get any worse!"
Heh, heh, heh.
"Just when you think you've lost everything, you find out you can always lose a little more."
>100 - Oh, come on. Can you really not let me delude myself? You're so cruel!
...Ah, well. 'Twas worth a try!
>101 - Sorry. Sometimes the Bob Dylan darkness just creeps up on me and I can't resist it. I find it oddly cheering.
>102 - Resisting impulses is never good. If we did, would we have nearly so many lovely Folios? I think not.
>95 "I think—but I'm not sure: perhaps comebody can confirm what I say—that the Pepys's Diary LE is a kind of facsimile of the Bell&Hyman 1970–6 edition."
See my post >7 above.
Sorry, boldface, I missed this post #7. It came at a time I was away, and I couldn't properly digest new posts when I returned...
A LE Diary of Samuel Pepys is for sale at Ebay.UK
6 days remaining, current price £52, one book missing according to seller.
Interesting - but that one volume missing it renders it wholly useless as a set - you will never get a replacement volume and will have to substitute a volume from another of Pepy's publishers. If you can put up with that (and I could not) then it's a fantastic bargain.
>107 Quicksilver, not wishing to be too pedantic, but we can't know what sort of bargain it is (or isn't) until the end of the auction ;-)
>108 True of course Huxley. I was assuming that no one would bid for it but if it was me I don't think I would want to pay more than £52.00.
I wonder what happened to the missing volume ?
Perhaps it arrived that way, and FS sent a replacement set without asking for the return of the defective one? Seems unlikely, but FS is funny about returns.
I'd buy it if stayed at that price, but I guarantee that it won't (in fact, I just checked, and it's at 77 pounds). I'd guess it'll get way up in the hundreds.
I couldn't care less about the missing volume, which I'd easily replace with one from another set and not blink an eye at the differing style.
Isn't that odd, finding sets for sale with missing volumes? I've been keeping my eyes open for the Roald Dahl set from a few years back, and there's one out there for sale that is missing Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. I wonder where those missing books go? The same place as missing socks?
The guy says why it's missing:
"I do not have 1666 - annoyingly it was in a box of odds (why I dont know) at the auction I got them at and in the melee of the bidding I forgot to bid on that box later in the sale."
Sets with missing volumes are actually common. They will drive a 'completist' crazy. You buy a set that is missing volume(s) thinking you can find another incomplete set that has the missing volume(s), complete your set, and sell off the rest. Often, you end up buying two or three incomplete sets, and often they aren't exactly identical from one printing to another, so you never really get the uniform set you wanted.
They come up often because, when people decide to sell books (their own or when selling off an estate), they often keep the volume or two they want and sell the rest. Imagine The Complete Works of Robert Louis Stevenson: You keep Kidnapped and Treasure Island because you've heard of these, and then put the rest in an estate sale. Very common. Back when I was trying to find a 19th century, leather-bound set of Sir Walter Scott's Waverley Novels, I found many incomplete sets, but few complete ones, and the complete ones went for a price I couldn't meet. So my "Complete Waverley" set is made up from three sets, which means I have several duplicate works within the 'set'.
>114 - ...when people decide to sell books (their own or when selling off an estate), they often keep the volume or two they want and sell the rest...You keep Kidnapped and Treasure Island because you've heard of these, and then put the rest in an estate sale.
I have just such a set of RLS - 24 out of 25 volumes in the Waverley (surely someone got their wires crossed here?!) Edition. Which one is missing? ----Kidnapped. I suppose I should be thankful that Treasure Island is there and that the previous owner didn't keep Catriona as well.
I'm just wondering if a new thread on missing volumes might be useful. Anybody got a spare volume 6 (in the revised 1964 edition, of course) of the Hill/Powell Boswell's Life of Johnson by any chance? Or volume 10, The Life and Adventures of Sir Launcelot Greaves, in the George Saintsbury 12-vol. 1895 edition of Tobias Smollett?
(Sighs deeply) I thought not......
>12 So that's how that Roald Dahl got in my underwear drawer!
Incidentally, to corroborate what boldface suggested in #116, I purchased a set of The Complete Works of Nevil Shute in the inexpensive red leatherette edition (discussed elsewhere) but it was missing both On the Beach and A Town Like Alice, the two most popular. The story has a happy ending, though, as they were using a complete Complete Set as set dressing in the movie I was on in Canada loast month, and I bought it from the prop house for $42 Canadian!
Anyone interested in a (nearly) complete Complete Works of Nevil Shute?
>117 I might be interested. Send me an email about them. My email is listed on my profile.
Sorry cweller--I was making a slight attempt at humor here--the incomplete set is actually going to my brother, who is a fan of all things Aussie.
Nope--his acquaintance has been limited to George Miller movies, Paul Hogan's commercials, and Foster's Lager--and in pictures of the topless beauties on Bondi Beach (hmmmm, I think he has something there....)
I finally succumbed, which is why they the number went down from 41 to 40 this week. Held off and held off, but could see them slipping through the fingers, and it was simply too much, especially when an unexpected tax rebate came through that covered the full amount. I have a passion for Stuart-Georgian London, became totally embroiled in the abridged Pepys, and since reading Claire Tomalin's superb biography, have wanted to get the full version, preferably in a good quality binding. Justified it to myself that, rightly or wrongly, this is likely to at least hold its value. I've never spent so much on books before. Gulp!
BTW, I can thoroughly recommend Tomalin's bio, The Unequalled Self, to anybody interested in the man - fascinating, and would make a good candidate for the FS treatment.
Good on you. Huzzah!
I am more than a trifle envious. :-)
>122 and it was simply too much, especially when an unexpected tax rebate came through that covered the full amount
Your fairy godmother is watching over you! And me too - I unexpectedly sold some photos during the Summer Sale, and also had a tax rebate just when renewal came up. A lot of it went to pay another big bill I'd forgotten about, but there was still some left for my renewal.
> No need to apologize. I had to jump at the presumed offer, as I can not pass up any opportunity to obtain more books. :) Let your brother know that you can find the missing volumes through bookfinder.com quite easily.
By the way, that 52 pound Pepys LE set (missing one book) just sold for 155 pounds.
Further to >122
Books still hadn't arrived this week, so contacted the FS to see what was happening. Apparently not being sent out until November - disappointed that it'll be over 2 months between order and posting, even more so that nobody thought to inform me (although the more usual superb service when I did ring), but presume it must be a result of batch binding or something? Have asked why the long delay. Champing at the bit!
#122: I ordered my own Pepys LE set in August 2007. It was to be delivered in October, but I got it actually in January 2008. I remember having exchanged a couple of e-mails with the FS because I was so impatient. But at last it came. Keep your spirits!
If it makes you feel any better, I ordered mine August 14th and have not yet received it. It's shown as "pending" per my account tab on the Folio website.
I think to be fair to purchasers, the vendor should be quite specific in ETA's.
Have now received an email, both apologising for the delivery date not being made clear at the time of purchase, and explaining that, as I surmised, the bindings are effectively made to order (in batches). So, I expect Texaco's, podaniel's and my diaries will all arrive about the same time.
I think the LE Pepys is tempting but unluckily a bit too expensive for me at the moment.
I decided to go for the 18volume E.B. Hall and Company Limited Edition (500 copies) from Ebay instead. The books are a bit older already (printed around 1900), bound in green cloth with paper title plates along spines. The top edge is gilt, the other edges deckeld.
Just need some clarification. We know that the LE Pepys set can with either an oak case (sans slipcases?) or individual slipcases? I was under the impression that it wasn't a decision - that a limited number were produced with the oak case and then the rest with individual slipcases. Can anyone verify which is correct?
I'm curious because I bought the set on Ebay that was without slipcases. The limitation number was low and I'm now wondering if the set originally came with the oak case vs. the individual slipcases.
The LE Pepys either had an oak case or slipcases.
The earlier sets came with oak cases. Latter editions had the slipcases. I don't know when in the run the change was made to slipcases.
If your set is a low limitation number and comes without slipcases then my guess is that you have a set that originally had the oak case.
> 137, 138
From my own memory of buying this set (in the oak case) in 2003 and from the entry in Folio 60, I think that the slipcases were a slightly cheaper option from the beginning. However, once the initial supply of oak cases was exhausted the slipcases remained the only option.
I tried to buy the oak-cased set in 2007, but it was no more available.
How does the FS Pepys text vary from the earlier 1893 edition edited by Henry B. Wheatley (and published by the LEC in 1942) which is based upon the same shorthand copy found at Cambridge? The editor's preface of that edition claims that it is the first full publication of the Diary. Were more excerpts found? Commentary added? I've been pretty pleased with my 10 volume LEC set and it was a lot cheaper at ~$100.
>141 I'm only going on what is in the introduction to the Latham and Mathews edition: "More serious lapses are far too numerous to be exemplified in detail: they may be found in abundance on every page, more in the early years than later. He omitted, apparently by oversight, substantial passages of the diary, sometimes complete days. He omitted isolated words, names and phrases throughout the text....On the other hand, words, names and even phrases were frequently added. Phrases, sometimes even sentences and paragraphs, were at times printed in an order different from that of either Bright's manuscript of Pepys's, and the only explanations seem to be that the printer may have been confused by Bright's many insertions and that Wheatley did not proof-read with care. Bright's errors were increased by abundant editorial substitutions, made without reference to the manuscripts....Few of it pages are totally free of errors, many are marred by a great number, some minor in significance but others affecting the style and meaning of the diary."
They do say quite a lot of good things about the Wheatley version, but this might go towards explaining the variations.
Referring to the three 19th century editions by Lord Braybrooke, Rev. Mynors Bright and H. B. Wheatley, the Preface to the the Latham/Matthews edition states: "But in none of these versions - not even in the Wheatley, which for long has stood as the standard edition - was there a reliable, still less a full, text, and in none of them was there a commentary with any claim to completeness. The text printed here includes all words and passages omitted from previous editions, whether by accident or design ((i.e. censorship!)). It is based on a transcription of the original manuscript made by Professor Matthews in the course of several readings of the unique copy in the Pepys Library at Magdalene College, Cambridge."
So quite apart from accuracy and completeness, the Latham/Matthews edition has a full modern commentary and there is also an encyclopedic Companion volume which deals with people, places, institutions, customs, music, food - you name it! The index occupies a volume to itself and contains some biographical information of people mentioned in the Diary. This is withot doubt the definitive edition to date.
I have both the Heritage Press version of the LEC Pepys, and the Folio LE Latham and Matthews set. Back when I was a graduate student, I read most--but not all--of the Heritage edition (and thoroughly enjoyed it). I have, since acquiring the Folio copy, sampled sections throughout the first half dozen volumes. Granted memory is imperfect, but I never thought to myself when reading the FS, "now this was something I missed back then."
One of these days, I'm going to have the time to do a side-by-side comparison to see how substantial the differences are--but then, maybe I won't. As the Preacher says, of the making of many books, there is no end. Will I be likely to even reread the entire Diary in the Latham edition? I doubt it. My feeling is that unless you are wealthy and/or an obsessive completist, if you have a copy of and have read all the Mynors-Bright Pepys, especially in the handsome LEC edition, there is no reason to get the FS edition. If you haven't a copy of Pepys, and can afford it, and actually intend to study the work,then the FS version is very much the one to get.
Fair comment, Django. Where I think the newer edition scores is in the modern notes and background information. If you're not bothered too much about context, then I agree the textual differences are relatively minor to the general reader.
I have generally been someone who had always shunned limited edition products, on the grounds of distaste for 'exclusivity' and for deliberately restricting supply of a product to augment price and 'snob value', but then some patient soul here in FS devotees a while ago kindly set me straight in explaining the need to define a limited print run because of the sheer cost of producing high-end books. Well, whoever it was, thank you! I had long coveted the LE Pepys' Diary after seeing it in all its goatskin, marbled, gilt-edged glory in the Members' Room, but of cause baulked at the price (and the limitedness!).
However, a couple of weeks ago I took the plunge and ordered a set from abebooks, and have been in ecstasy ever since, forever wholly cured of my former unreasonable LE prejudice. Unfortunately the set, though absolutely fine and unread, came without slipcases or the oak case, but then it was £440 incl. P&P so I can't grumble on that count. In fact I'd remembered one of the Members' Room staff telling me that they'd had production problems with the oak cases which had in some cases developed a tendency to come apart, and had stopped issuing the sets in them. So presumably my set had previously been housed in one of those self-dissembling cases!
Again, to whosoever lifted the scales from my LE eyes, thank you!
I share your enthusiasm immensely. Congratulations. I too was fortunate enogh to buy the Diary of Samuel Pepys from a fellow LT member for ca. or little over what you paid also without slipcases a couple of weeks ago. They were kindly housed in "broadart like" dust jackets.
These are really the crown jewels from the FS.
Congratulations on that Pepys set, ironjaw! I've had those books in my wish list for a long time.
Thanks, Antonio! I really do hope you get the chance to acquire them. These are wonderful books and I cherish them evertyday. They are such a deligt to read and I am happy that FS chose the right size as they make great evening reading in your favourite chair.
Beautiful books indeed, and the definitive edition of the Diary. What more could anyone want?
The time to read the little buggers! There they sit on my shelf, reproachfully glaring down at me. What I need is a daily Pepys reading regimen.
Caution!!!! You might find that once you start reading Pepys, it's like eating potato chips.
Have to agree, not just with cronshaw/ironjaw/boldface, but also with podaniel! My set is much treasured, and currently somewhat underread!
147, 148 - Congratulations! I acquired a set last year from a UK dealer also without a case or slipcovers, but paid more than you -- $920 USD, including shipping to the United States. Despite the higher price, I treasure the set.
>155 Chris it is still a bargain at that price. The set was originally sold for £945 and then down to £690. I won't bother quoting the current currency value becuase the value of the US dollar has fallen immensely but when the set originally was offered at the aforementioned prices it would be double of what you paid ca. $2000.
I thought I might revive this thread for some of you guys to read, seeing as it has become an issue.
It is very interesting reading through this. Very interesting indeed.
Thank you for revising this LesMis, it is making me feel better about my purchase despite having the "lighter" marbling and no impress line.
Gotta love traditional auction houses. I got my set for $500 including the oak case. :)
Congratulations! That price is amazingly low. Where did you get it, if I may ask?
yes, PBA galleries through liveauctioneers. Great entertainment value too, bidding at auction. A bit more heart pounding when you only got 20 seconds or so to make a bid.
Have to say, though, a little frustrating seeing those past lots. I just recently considered buying the Luttrell Psalter for $1400 off ebay, then I saw somebody had bought it at auction for $700 :O. Just couldn't do it after that...
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