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I've added a currently reading list to the left column of the work pages. Click on it to get a list of other members who are currently reading the book.
I also changed the "What members are reading" home page module to link to this if you click on the number of people reading the book.
Very Cool. I am the only one reading my most current book.
I also clicked on the links on the home page, but at this point I don't really care how many or who are reading Twilight. Sorry. Its just been there too long.
Both those columns are cool ideas (currently reading & wishlist) but they don't really change much.
Great job - I have seen a number of people ask for this.
(Special Feature section added to Collections Wiki - keep 'em coming!)
If I put a book in the Currently Reading collection but then inactivate the collection I still show up on the list. Is this as you intended? (Just asking so I can note it in the Wiki.)
Wow, thank you. I think this is the first time I've thought to request something almost at the very moment you were releasing it.
How often does it update? I added this book to the currently reading collection approximately over a couple hours ago and it says (0) for currently reading on the left side.
The list is updated daily (but different times for each work) for performance reasons.
The number comes directly from a count of the list items, so it also only changes once per day.
... is it crazy to wish to have the number of people currently reading a book as an available column for sorting my library?
I love it! Thanks, cD!
What I also would like would be the ability to make that "What Members are Reading" list longer than just 10 books, but with the longer list hidden until I click on "more". Is that something that can be done?
This is So Cool!
I have two books on the go right now - one book I am currently reading with only one other person and the other I am reading with two other LT readers.
"Nice" feature :-)
11: Yes. That's my plan if I can get to it this week some time. I need to rework those two home page modules so that they collect their data faster. Right now they take a couple of minutes each to regenerate and load into the cache. When I work on them I'll add the ability to see more results.
Nice, but I can't remove the book I recently finished from the Currently Reading collection.
You know, when this idea was mooted way-back-when I was all blasee and 'I don't think I'll use that' and now it's here I LOVE IT. I could just concede that you guys know best ... but where would the fun in that be ;-) It is, nonetheless, very nice!
#10. That was my first though - either there or as a meme in statistics.
Currently if one isn't reading one of the top ten books - and it appears I'm unlikely to ever do so - it is quite a lot of clicking to get to who else is reading it.
Drat! I really don't want to fiddle with currently reading. too much in and out. But this might just make me have to.
15> Well, this thread reminded me that I had a book in Currently Reading that I was no longer reading and I found that I couldn't remove it. I think that makes it on topic. Besides it couldn't have been me on that other thread since I only just now posted my problem on another thread after sleeping on it.
So, can we have the clickable numbers for the 'Wishlist' box too ... and I'll be expecting my pony by UPS shortly ... ;-)
That is a good idea. I don't mean the pony, they are mean, stupid creatures. At least mine was.
I should probably put this comment in Recommended Site Improvements, but I wonder if there's any plan to make this feature available on the author level?
10> ... is it crazy to wish to have the number of people currently reading a book as an available column for sorting my library?
Not at all. That'd be awesome. Actually, a list (that truncates after, say, 5 people, with a link to see "all X members") would be even cooler.
21: can we have the clickable numbers for the 'Wishlist' box too
Yeah. I wasn't so sure how useful that would be. Many people are interested in who else is reading a book (for conversation, etc.) but are people really interested in who else wants that book? Maybe? It can certainly be done.
23: I wonder if there's any plan to make this feature available on the author level
I can certainly see this being pushed over to the author pages. We'll have to think of the best way to do it. It's a bit of a load while it gets all of the assorted editions, etc. and then cross references all of those will book owners and then to collections. But I think we can find a way.
Can this be a column in our catalog?
Probably not. It's a calculated number/list. That calculation can take a couple of seconds for a work that has thousands of books across hundreds of editions. We cache the result but even if just 2 of your books on your catalog page are these big works that are uncached it will slow down your catalog page to an unhappy speed. Maybe we can come up with a better way of keeping track (I'm thinking about that).
25: I love the idea of knowing how many other people have wishlisted a book.
This is very cool, cD! Thanks!
(re: "what members are reading" on the home page, I just turned it off in favor of seeing more reviews, because it never seems to change.)
(eta An equivalent wishlist feature would be interesting, too!)
are people really interested in who else wants that book?
Absolutely!! As a BookCrosser, I often look for people who are wishing for the books I've read so I can pass them along to someone else I know.
Squeaky, I had an idea (and Luke added more ideas) for some really cool features very similar to this...I'm hoping that I have some time in the next week or so to prototype them. I'm kinda jazzed about them, can you tell?! :)
I like the "Recent" under the Currently Reading. Is that going to show us who has recently read a book? (If so, that is wonderful!)
I love when you're jazzed about something, cD!!
A couple of years ago, I was trying to get Tim to integrate in some way with Bookcrossing so that the books I own and then move along to others could be tracked with LT involved as part of this tracking. The integration never happened as Tim's mind was and is all over the place with new ideas (and that's just fine) so many things fall by the wayside. At least I can put my Bookcrossing identification number (called BCID on Bookcrossing) on the LT catalog and click through to Bookcrossing for my book's individual page. I'm happy with my own integration, but if something like this would become more easily available to others (who want it, of course, because many people are hostile to Bookcrossing), I think that would be great.
It would also be good to involve BookMooch in this in some way as BookMooch's John Buckman, whom Tim likes to promote, is very BookCrossing friendly.
ETA: I am choosing BookMooch above other swap sites because it is international and because it is inexpensive (or it was until the US postal service raised the international mail rates to make mailing overseas barely affordable now).
Recent shows you who has actually recently started reading the book, as opposed to people who have marked the book as "currently reading" but have either forgotten about it, abandoned it or are reading very slowly.
All over the site you will see tons of people who have been "currently" reading a book for 36 days, 36 days ago being the date the feature was introduced...
I'd be very interested to see more features that show us what other members do, have read, how they appreciated books etc in functions that are easily accessible, without having to enter their catalogues.
Please also something vusual on the profile page. If it weren't for members own creative efforts (very good in themselves) that page would be so bland and full of text, but hardly any book covers. How about "currently reading" and "recently read" covers on the profile page.
Another thing I'd love is a page where publishers present new books integrated with above functionality eg. reviews, how many wish listed, how many currently reading, etc.
You'll actually see lots of people who have been "currently reading" for a lot longer than that; people who used the "currently reading" checkbox earlier had all books with that checked automatically migrated to their Currently Reading collection, and I'd wager some of them haven't logged on in over a year and will never be back.
If it weren't for members own creative efforts (very good in themselves) that page would be so bland and full of text
God forbid a book site have text-heavy pages! You can't expect people to read!
The data structure that I'm using on the currently reading page for a work will only track back to the launch of Collections. It is a stealth feature that we launched at the same time but have yet to do anything with (or talk about publicly) until now. Although we've been silently filling it with data since that time.
38: That is correct. It's using a structure that debuted with Collections. So pre-launch additions may not make it (I can't remember when I turned it on during beta).
The LaTeX one shows up for me now.
I've changed the "What members are reading" homepage module to show only books that have been added to Currently Reading in the last 30 days. This, I hope, will curtail the permanent residence of, ahem, certain books on the list due to the fact that people put them in CR and then forget about them or don't update their catalog.
This will also mean that the list is much more relevant, showing books that people really are currently reading.
I've also changed the way that the work pages display CR information, but just slightly. Basically, I'm merely removing CR entries older than 60 days. That seems like a reasonable time period for inclusion on the list.
The total number of members reading a book on the work page includes the last 60 days. The total number shown on the home page module is just the last 30 days. That means that the numbers will not agree in many cases, but each is representative of the work, albeit for a slightly different purpose.
I'll be pushing the changes shortly.
Love the tweak to the CR box ... now it's much more relevant and less static. Thanks for the 'Wishlist' ones too - on the 'social' side this is great because I can see if anyone's wishlisted books that I'm sending to the charity shop and ask if they want them.
Errm ... top Wishlisted books module is all in Dutch on my homepage ... glitch methinks?
ETA - Going to go post this on Bug Collectors in case it get's lost here.
Oh, that was probably my fault. I think I loaded the cache with my account set to Dutch. Perils of the job. :)
39> Ok, so I I removed Postwar from the Currently Reading collection and re-added it, that should suffice for it to show up I guess?
One glitch with the LaTeX one: The also reading section shows "Array" under "Also reading". Also it says: "1 member are currently reading this work".
Thanks for the change to the "What members are reading" homepage module. That helps keep the page itself more interesting.
ETA: I see where it shows how long members have each been reading a work. Nice touch!
Love the wishlisted list!!
With cD's new wishlist in place on the work page, I'd like to strongly encourage all LT members to be sure their profile page has a current link (i.e. "Also On") to the swap sites of which they are a member. Doing so would facilitate our ability to move books between one another without having to post a list of our "available" books on the Talk thread - as many of us currently do.
cD, this is excellent for all of us!!
ETA: You've *finally* convinced me to add "Wishlist" as one of my collections here on LT. And to think... I used to be a "purist", listing only the actual books in my house. :)
Very nice feature. Echoing #31: christiguc & #34: edwinbcn, I would like to see "have read", and possible even "recently read" added to this.
Since you now have a nicely dynamic "What Members are Reading", isn't "Popular This Month" somewhat redundant on the home page?
I am the only one reading my most current book.
Insofar as you know. You may be the only one reading it who bothers with the "Currently Reading" Collection, but that doesn't mean you're the only one reading it.
Hmm, sorry, perhaps I should post that in the Pedant's group . . .
Does the Currently Reading date come from the Collection only, or do start dates count?
> 49: "Popular This Month" is what people are adding, not at all necessarily the same as "What Members are Reading"
YAY more Currently Reading tweaks and fun tools!
> 51 I can't wait for the time when start dates and the collection start working together! (at least, I hope this is in the pipes eventually - I know there were kinks to be worked out!)
I'm noticing that the wishlist on work page - I just had to check - often doesn't show the fact that I have a book on my wishlist.
Now that What Members Are Reading is meaningful, can we have a way to expand the list to at least 25 entries?
>51 I'm pretty sure the date fields are being ignored, as usual. I'd be interested in seeing a separate list of "Books Members Have Started Recently and Not Yet Finished" (and, of course, "Books Members Have Finished Recently"), based on the date fields. I'd like to see how much the date fields get used in comparison to CR. Personally, I only periodically update CR, since the data is so fleeting as to be barely worth the effort, but I enter the start and end dates for every book I read.
Maybe I missed this in reading but... what does 'Previous' mean on the wishlist page? That it is no longer wishlisted by those people? Or just that it was wishlisted longer than 30 days ago?
My wishlist pony is decorated with green ticks alongside the works in my library.
Cool feature; I'd love to see something like it rolled out to other default collections, especially wishlist (and I'd also like to see that a bit more prominently on the main members section of the page, as I mentioned on another thread - so that it's clearer whether the people who "have" these books have them in their library, wishlist, or other collections).
As for currently reading, I notice that private members aren't named - which is as it should be - but nor are they even included in the counts. So if a private member has something in currently reading, the "currently reading" number can still say (0), rather than (1) then "private member".
Awesome, thank you!! The only problem with all this is that I am having so much fun playing with all the neat features, I barely have time to actually read a book!! :o)
> 61: "wishlisted" is there already, right below "currently reading".
63 - Oops, so it is. Hadn't looked at the page since last night. Things move fast around here!
I only added books to Wishlist during the trial period, so they are not showing up on work pages. Is it enough to re-assign them to Wishlist (in Power Edit, say), or do I have to delete them and add them through Add Books again?
"Popular This Month" is what people are adding, not at all necessarily the same as "What Members are Reading"
How "popular" can books be that are only added and not read? :)
Okay, maybe the header should be changed. But I have many books I haven't read (yet)* . Then again, some books - dictionaries, atlases - aren't ever "read" in any normal sense of the word. Not that I expect those to show up in the "most popular" category.
Well, last night I bought four books (raid on Moe's), and received one in the mail. :-)
However, I am currently reading about five other books, so it will be a while before I get to them! I am sure others have had similar experiences!
>70 & 71
Also many books shorter than say 150 pages are read in a day, without getting listed in "Currently reading". It would be nice to ave those grouped somewhere are "Recently read".
Alternatively, since cD has set the CR reading time to 30 days, CR could include "Currently reading" + "Recently read" if the feature is renamed to "What members are reading this month"
The wishlist and currently reading home page modules now have a "show more" option.
The "show more" option in IE6/XP for both does not show more to me. Rather, clicking on "show more" just jumps to the top of the home page in both instances. :(
I know there ain't a lot of room, but these modules are just screaming for green (I've got this book) and purple (I've wish-listed this book) check marks!
I'll check on the errors with the show more link.
And we're going to be pushing the check marks out to a bunch of pages soon. Hopefully these will get it during the first wave.
That has been the biggest missing piece of collections that I wanted! YA! Thanks!
#79 "I'll check on the errors with the show more link.
I don't even get an edit this module option. Ie8 XP2.
You know, another thing you could do with these modules that would be kind of interesting is show where the same title occurs on both lists. F'rinstance, The Book Thief is in both Currently Reading and Most Wishlisted. It would be interesting if it was, say, bolded in both places to make it pop out.
It would be nice if the currently reading and wishlist lines were shown on the main work page in the members section. Likewise, if all three sections on the sidebar led to the members subpage. I just think it's rather silly to have 3 clicks instead of 1. :/
84: There is no edit mode for these two modules. You get what you get.
Going back to something SqueakyChu was addressing in 47. Being able to see which of my books is on someone's wishlist and then seeing if they belong to BookMooch is/would be very fun and useful.
I think that this would be a cool addition to the Memes/Statistics page - "Your Books on Others' WishLists." I see a few wrinkles - #1) you'd want to exclude books in your own wishlist. #2) exclude also Read but Unowned? (useful for my purposes but maybe not universally).
Now, I personally want this info so that I can offer to send my books that I no longer need to someone who might appreciate them more than I do. Somehow it makes it easier for me to decide to part with a book if I feel it will be well loved in its new home.
HOWEVER, I can see that the ability to easily see at a glance who is interested in a book may inadvertently lead to spam comments offering a SALE (rather than a GIFT) of a book - so maybe just being able to see which of my books are on my Friends' WishLists as a start? (Which goes along with my thought that the Friend's feature needs to have some more substance to be interesting.)
Nevermind .... I posted before I had my coffee and was unable to do a simple count.
So eh, where did this function go. I can no longer find it on the work pages.
>95 Add /currentlyReading to the end of the address on the work page. (Or /wishlisted for wishlisted list).
The function was apparently accidentally left out during a rewrite of the work page. If I remember correctly Tim said that they would put it back, but that was some time ago.
>96 This doesn't appear to work. I tried it on two books that I am reading (Empire of Liberty and Halting State) and got all white pages. I thought that maybe that was what you got if you were the only one reading a book so I tried it on Twilight thinking that someone must be reading it (even if not me) and I got something on the page but not a list of members reading it. I got the top of the work page down the line that has the number of members who own it, plus a column on the left and a column on the right but no list of members.
>98 For Twilight: /work/8384326/currentlyReading seems to work for me.
You have to be sure that you are on the work page, not your book page, i.e., the address should read /work/XXXXXXX/currentlyReading, not /work/XXXXXXX/book/YYYYYY/currentlyReading.
Make sure you're doing it to the work page, not the book page (i.e., the page for your specific copy of the work).
http://www.librarything.com/work/8122502/book/53665770/currentlyReading will get you a blank page, but http://www.librarything.com/work/8122502/currentlyReading will get the Currently Reading for Empire of Liberty. Just remove everything from the URL after /work and the work number.
Also, "currentlyReading" is case sensitive.
But this does not:
>99,100,101 I don't have a book page for Twilight, since I don't have the book. I was going from the work page. Maybe it was the case thing since it seems to work now. Empire of Liberty and Halting State also work properly.
The point is not whether it works or not,
The point is that another very useful function of LT has disappeared through the backdoor. (It probably takes too much of the servers).
It is fun to see who else is reading a book! Now we can't.
(Well, you could with above trick, but who does?) (Who knows, besides, it is too complicated)
Yes, many many people have been asking for this function to be restored. But until it is, we can use these workarounds. Better than having the function dropped altogether, I think.
I'm pretty sure that it's not coming back. Tim didn't like the numbers showing on the left-side list.
It's not coming back anywhere???? Why? I personally won't object if it's on a sub-page for a work, but why leave these off entirely?
105> Please, at least put it on the Members' page. Pleeeeeeease?
It'll be somewhere, just not on the left side of the work page like it was before.
Seems like a perfect fit for the "Members" area of the Main Page -- where it already shows Recently Added By and Your top 50 similar libraries.
Tim addressed it in RSI - he said it was a communication issue between the two of you. That he didn't mean for it to go away-away - here in message 23:
He had is official L on and everything. :)
I still think he's wrong about keeping it off of the left side of the page, too. There's empty space there. There's interesting data that members want to see there. Hmm....
Also, I'm still waiting for the toggle to short-form CK....
It is not about space but processing time I think. Work pages are open often and this calculation is not that easy and is resource-heavy. :)
>114 I wonder if it could show a not-quite-current number, calculated maybe once a day?
I agree, I do hate to see it go from the work page, but hopefully we'll get it back somewhere (soon).
Forgive me repeating in case this has been recommended already but, as for "current reading", how about a capacity to include as "current reading" titles one doesn't own?
117> There's nothing to stop you including books you don't own and marking them as current reading.
Different members have different views about what their LT catalogue means to them. For some, it can only include books in their physical possession, for others it means books they have possessed at some time (but maybe not now) and for many it includes books they don't yet own but would like to own.
If you like to separate books you read but don't own from books you own, then collections make this very simple. Put a book in the collections 'read but unowned' and 'currently reading'.
Bump...When do we get this and the wishlist links back? It's been awhile now...
Have no idea what you talking about here can't see anything... or must i read 119 messages first????
Pardon my ignorance but where is the work page?
See messages 95 and down for the disappearance of the feature.
edited to add-
The work page is the main page for a book on LT, e.g. www.librarything.com/work/746366. This is as opposed to the details or edit pages that contain info about your copy, if you have one.
The short cut now also no longer works. I just get a blank page.
This is supposed to be the top "What people are reading"
What are the chances of getting Currently Reading reinstated?
One of mine too. Tim nixed it. It is what it is.
I think it was because the queries were so server intensive, but I can't be sure.
>125 Yeah, I think that's what he said. So is there any chance of redoing it in a less burdensome way?
Yes, like exporting this data to a dedicated server once a day, storing it in a non-dynamic way, and letting that server take all the hits. (I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just trying to imagine how it works. ;)
It truly was a spectacularly fun feature.
It's been a couple of years, but if I remember correctly that's exactly what I had it doing. That might have been one of Tim's complaints with it too: that it didn't stay "current" enough so he thought that people would complain about that. Can't remember, honestly.
Gah! It's worse to take away a feature entirely than to set it on a non-instantaneous update schedule. You should refer Tim to the various discussions of Tag Mirror; the majority of people seem to be saying that they'd rather have Tag Mirror with restricted updates than not have it at all.
That's another feature that I re-enabled for a time a year or two ago. I made a 10 fold improvement in speed so that we could reenable it but I think the sheer size of the tags database finally caught up with it and it had to be put on hiatus again.
I just wish the "hiatus" form of Tag Mirror could be the previously-calculated version rather than nothing.
I just wish the "hiatus" form of Tag Mirror could be the previously-calculated version rather than nothing.
Yes. I'd be happy with it updating, say, every six months or something if that's the only way to get it back.
128> What I think would address a lot of that is to do it like ratings. It has an unobtrusive notice right below it that says "Updates every 24 hours" in gray text. I think a similar thing for CR would drastically cut down on complaints.
Also, I don't know how much attention Tim pays to this list, but I think the fact that "bring back lists of users who are currently reading/wishlisted a book" is #28 could give you some leverage (and Tag Mirror is #18, and both would be higher if already-accomplished requests were eliminated).
Let me throw out a lament for Tag Watch while we are talking about other long lost features.
I would like it back, but don't agree that not updating it or any other feature would be OK. If its not accurate there is no point to it being there. I don't mean to the split second, once a night is fine.
133: Actually it did have that notice when it was updating daily.
Seems that you're preaching to the choir here, as it were. ;)
136> Seems that you're preaching to the choir here, as it were. ;)
Yup, it certainly does. I can't see how there could be a sane objection if it had that disclaimer under it. That's it, time to get power of attorney over Tim...
>135 How many books do you catalogue each day? I certainly wouldn't expect to see changes to my tag mirror on a daily basis, even if it did recalculate every night.
I think the best solution would be an auto-update that occurred on a fixed schedule (probably rarely) and also whenever there was a certain percentage change in the catalogue, accompanied by a recalculate button that members could use with some restrictions.
I'd also be happy with a solution where some of us had a very rarely-updating Tag Mirror, and people who couldn't accept that got a message that the feature was still disabled. Seriously. If the only option is a rarely-updating feature or nothing, and one person would prefer nothing, then give them nothing without withholding the feature from everyone else.
>136 Yeah, I wasn't so much trying to convert you as proposing approaches for you to use in converting Tim ;).
Also, there's a difference between historical data and inaccurate data. As long as there's a notice saying "this reflects the state of user's library on whatever date", it's accurate.
I am talking about tag watch. I never use tag mirror.
It's not about how many I catalog per day, tag watch is about picking tags I am watching out of ALL books added each day.
>140 I do agree that tag watch should be complete.
If you don't care about tag mirror, would you mind if other people got it back in an infrequently-updated form?
Yeah, tag watch was one of my favorite features. I used it to find new books within my interests.
Coincidentally, I developed that feature too...see a pattern here? heh
Why yes! I perceive a telepathic flow from my unconscious wishes for LT to your creative coding activities.
>142 I'm impressed that you're so good-natured about it. I would be very bitter by now.
I do hope the user polls can give you some leverage. Your reading timeline is way up there too....
>146 I don't think those two are mutually exclusive....
I'm surprised that Tim wouldn't want his employees doing the things they were most enthusiastic about, especially when those things align well with user preferences.
Except that they don't align with Tim preferences. I've seen this before on topics visible to the user and technical features under the covers--CD's ideas look very appealing to me, but Tim doesn't care for them or strongly wants things done a different way. He's the boss.
>148 Right, but I think user preferences are sometimes even more important than Tim's preferences anyway. We pay Tim, after all. At least to a certain extent.
I completely agree. And how many times have we, perhaps especially you, had those ... discussions?
The discussion hasn't happened as explicitly as I'd like after the creation of the polling threads, but I haven't pushed it yet since Tim does seem to be making significant progress on some top user priorities. It's certainly something I'd like to revisit eventually, though; as the polls are getting older and more out-of-date, I'd eventually like to redo them, preferably with Tim's endorsement.
If I were you, I'd have turned it back on for LT employees only, and not told us. :-)
141 - I strongly object to the concept that it is ok to have a broken feature on the site, on purpose.
Even if it's a feature I don't use, eventually that rational ends up being applied to more and more of the site. It is the road to hell paved with good intentions.
Not to mention the staff time it will take not to fix it, but to maintain it at the accepted level of broken-ness.
>153 A feature that updates regularly on a fixed schedule is not "broken". It just doesn't make sense to redo an intensive calculation every night, especially when there would almost never be a noticeable change from one day to the next.
#154: I agree; a tag mirror, even one created every six months, would still be a very useful tool.
148: Actually, I'm not bitter at all. You are exactly right: he's the boss and in the end what he says goes. We're certainly not going to agree all the time (and that wouldn't be very useful if we did, he wouldn't need me if I just blindly agreed with him all the time).
Please focus on "CUrrently Reading", rather than other matters on this thread. :-)
"Currently Reading" is another of my favourite functions which is lamentably disabled.
What are the chances of getting Currently Reading reinstated?
Yes, Currently Reading is missed. Any chance on it making a return?
I haven't heard anything about it returning during any discussions.
I'd love to see a CR feature, but really more a "Recently Read" feature. I'd much rather discuss a book with someone after both of us have finished reading it.
A: "Hey, I see you're reading Neubook by N.U.Writer! I just started it last week. Didn't you love the way she foreshadowed the chapter five plot twist in chapter two? I mean; the butler did it? Who'd've thunk?"
B: "Dude! I'm on page 7! Spoiled! :-( "
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