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Talking to the enemy : violent extremism, sacred values, and what it means… (edition 2011)

by Scott Atran

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Member:neilgodfrey
Title:Talking to the enemy : violent extremism, sacred values, and what it means to be human
Authors:Scott Atran
Info:London : Penguin, 2011.
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The first half of this book is exceptionally good. It offers rare and insightful ethnographic descriptions of his encounters with terrorists, and helps us to understanding what they think. His argument, in a nutshell, is that "People, including terrorists, don't simply die for a cause; they die for each other, especially their friends." Religious conviction plays a role, but is rarely determinative when compared with cohorts of friends and relatives moving together for a common goal, like a fraternity. For that reason reasoned arguments about theology is pointless.

The second half of the book focuses on discussions of more theoretical topics such as the evolutionary significance of religion (drawing upon Atran's earlier works). While interesting, they seem almost peripheral to the central argument of this book. Since it comes in at over 500 pages, some of this could have been condensed and more intimately connected to the core thesis, for a tighter (and slimmer) tome.

I don't give it higher marks because his story ends in 2010, before the rise of ISIS. The changes that represent don't seem to be well anticipated by Atran, who focuses on Al Qaeda, and thus the book has a dated feel. For that reason this work benefits from being paired with more recent efforts, such as Graeme Wood's The Way of the Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State. Although journalistic and not anthropological, and definitely opinionated, it shares with Talking to the Enemy an interest in letting the actors speak for themselves. ( )
  dono421846 | May 21, 2017 |
Heard about this on NPR ON BEING
  sbuttry | Oct 26, 2014 |
Excellent analysis of what makes a terrorist and how to stop it happening, based on a comprehensive evidence base. A cataclysmic critique of current mainstream policy approaches. Insightful case studies and clear coherent conclusions offering a way forward.
At one point distracted by an unnecessary discussion of religion and atheism, leaving only a brief survey of practical recommendations for solutions and positive action, which could have been expanded. ( )
  Voise15 | Oct 25, 2011 |
Atran has written a rambling, sprawling book. While its core involves anthropological study of radical Islamist militant groups, it touches on sociobiology, the history of human conflict and counter-terror policy. While Atran simplistically treats some of these side issues, the book does a good job looking in detail at the character of the members of al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. For people who have read Marc Sageman's work, Atran's book provides ample evidence to support Sageman's self-radicalization thesis (which is unsurprising since Atran and Sageman collaborated over the past decade).

As a strategist, I cannot let Atran's treatment of Clausewitz pass without comment. Extrapolating from a single out-of-context Clausewitz quote ("war is the continuation of policy with other means"), Atran uses Clausewitz as foil for his argument against the rationality of warfare. As serious readers of Clausewitz know, however, he was very much aware of the non-rational elements that play in warfare. Clausewitz's fascinating trinity, for example, places this issue front and center: of the three elements of war's chameleon character, only one is reason and the other two are emotion (primordial violence, hatred and enmity) and chance. Thus, Atran's conclusion is correct - individuals are often motivated to fight by other factors than as part of a coolly calculated policy - but he is wildly incorrect that this somehow invalidates Clausewitz.
  JLHeim | Mar 3, 2011 |
Scott Atran has some interesting research to share, along with a heavy dose of professional chauvinism. This is a book dedicated to the proposition that exposing the social contexts from which violent extremists emerge will ultimately create a means to defeat them. To this end, Atran provides a detailed synopsis of his work with various criminals, terrorists, and their sympathizers (along with the familial and social networks that support them). The great revelation of this research seems to be that ideologically motivated suicide bombers are, in fact, psychologically normal. Too, there are consistencies in the anthropological profiles of suicidal extremists across cultural boundaries.

There is good sense in this, and I'm grateful that Atran has written a book to address some misconceptions about the psychological, social, and religious characteristics of individual terrorists. However, the notion that this understanding will itself provide some kind of panacea in the quest for peace is either naive or arrogant; either way it is not convincing. The discussion of sacred values near the end of the book does a great deal to move Atran's argument forward, but he unfortunately gets sidetracked by fanciful political ideas (e.g., Sarah Palin as a conduit for Alexis de Tocqueville) and only a marginal interest in the history of suicide terrorism as a military tactic rather than as a sociological phenomenon.

The writing is lucid and concise, if at times a bit difficult (for a mono-cultural American anglophile, the blizzard of Indonesian and Arabic names is relentless and often impossible to remember from one page to the next). Atran takes the opportunity to perpetuate his feud with Sam Harris (and other prominent anti-religious intellectuals), which is amusing... but not particularly enlightening. Attacking what he seems to view as the "new atheist's" weakest arguments isn't exactly the most compelling way to build his own. Ultimately, this is a worthwhile addition to the ongoing dialogue about terrorism; but gleaning the insights Atran offers isn't an effortless enterprise. ( )
  Narboink | Oct 28, 2010 |
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For wars are truly won when enemies become friends.
What inspires the most lethal terrorists in the world today is not so much the Koran or the teachings of religion as it is a thrilling cause and call to action that promises glory and esteem in the eyes of friends.
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Amazon.com Product Description (ISBN 0061344907, Hardcover)

Terrorists don't kill and die just for a cause.

They kill and die for each other.

In this rigorous and challenging work that combines the penetrating insight of The Looming Tower and the historical sweep and scope of Guns, Germs, and Steel, renowned social scientist Scott Atran traces terrorism's root causes in human evolution and history, touching on the nature of faith, the origins of society, the limits of reason, and the power of moral values.

Atran interviews and investigates Al Qaeda associates and acolytes, including Jemaah Islamiyah, Lashkar-e-Tayibah, and the Madrid train bombers, as well as other non-Qaeda groups, such as Hamas and the Taliban, and their sponsoring communities, from the jungles of Southeast Asia and the political wastelands of the Middle East to New York, London, and Madrid. His conclusions are startling, important, and sure to be controversial.

Terrorists, he reminds us, are social beings, influenced by social connections and values familiar to us all, as members of school clubs, sports teams, or community organizations. When notions of the homeland, a family of friends, and a band of brothers are combined with the zeal of belief, amazing things—both good and bad—are possible: the passage of civil rights legislation, the U.S. Olympic hockey team's victory in 1980, the destruction of 9/11 and the attacks on the London Underground in July 2005.

Atran corrects misconceptions about suicide bombers and radical Islam, explaining how our tolerance for faith enables extremists to flourish, and shows why atheism and science education have little effect. Going beyond analysis, he offers practical solutions that can help us identify terrorists today, prevent the creation of future terrorists, and ultimately make the world a safer place for everyone.

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Looks at the root causes of terrorism; discusses the psychological, social, and religious aspects of terrorism; and offers practical solutions on ways to identify and prevent future terrorists.

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