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Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed

by Jared Diamond

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Viking Adult (2004), Hardcover, 592 pages

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Pessimistic, slow, too detailed at the beginning which is why its not a 5 star. His ability to explore past cultures, climates and events is eye opening and thought provoking. There are more optimistic views later in the book. A must read. ( )
  GShuk | Jan 4, 2010 |
I am a fan of the author. Germs, Guns and Steel, especially, was a brilliant work of synthesis bringing together various disciplines to offer a theoretical explanation of perceived differences in human societies. But for some reason I could not slog through Collapse. I started to read it but lost interest. I rarely fail to finish a book I've started to read but this time I did fail. Maybe it's the author's style; maybe it's my fault; maybe I'll try again now that I have more time. For now the book has one star. ( )
  terbby | Dec 14, 2009 |
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A totally fascinating book looking at how the human impact on the environment can cause societies to collapse or disappear. The particularly memorable chapters are on Easter Island and the Viking settlements on Greenland, both cases where the natural resources were exploited to the point of mass death. There are lots of other case studies as well, mostly dealing with larger societies or states, but none quite as dramatic or as detailed.

The final chapters are an excellent synthesis of the message of the book. Diamond has a not very profound but interesting take on the nature of political decision-making, and why it goes wrong; on business and the environment (I would like to know more about the Marine Stewardship Council, and why it has had so little impact in Europe), and finally on future prospects for saving the world, where he is cautiously optimistic but not complacent. He is clear that our current patterns of environmental exploitation are not sustainable, but hopes that a sufficiently conscious public will be able to pressurise its leaders into taking action. The book will certainly help. ( )
  nwhyte | Nov 8, 2009 |
Although I enjoyed the book it is far from a structured whole, more like a collection of somewhat disjointed parts with theoverarching thema of civilization collapse linked to environmental factors. It is not necessarily a bad thing though since it allows one to skim through the book or read it in several distant sittings.

I mostly bought it for the description of collapse of ancient societies : Greenland Norses, native Polynesians, Mesoamericans. The fate of each entity is comprehensively and compellingly narrated, with much (avowed) speculation on how exactly things may have happen, and a more general presentation of the factors involved. Each of these chapters reads like a well-documented novella.

I was more skeptic of the presentations of today's situations but they are balanced, interestingly. Diamond manages to draw surprising and thought-provocating parallels these contemporary issues and those faced by other civilisations throughout History.

The environmentalist and political preaching is in my eyes the weakest part of the book but it is a small part only and confined to a few chapter. ( )
  Kuiperdolin | Nov 7, 2009 |
090928, 5/5 stars
This is a good companion to one's ecological awakening. The main thesis of the book is (again, as in Guns, Germs and Steel) simple and powerful: During good times societies expand too aggressively, so that during worse times the environment can't support the population, and it collapses. The examples of past and present societies that have undergone a collapse are interesting, illuminating, and contain tons of details (perhaps too much detail, again as in GG&S).

The best parts of the book were the chapters on China and Australia, and the two final chapters. Especially the stuff going on in China is just crazy. The attitude concerning major corporations is good, encouraging people to take action in all feasible ways instead of abstract complaint about their creed.

Along the flood of evidence, I would criticize the repetition of some ideas, over and over again, about soil erosion and so on. Also, the Finnish translation is far from perfect. It's better than on GG&S, but still I get the feeling of direct word-for-word translation.

This book had quite an impact on me, especially since I just recently became a father. I would recommend this to everyone. ( )
  jmattas | Sep 29, 2009 |
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Taken together, ''Guns, Germs, and Steel'' and ''Collapse'' represent one of the most significant projects embarked upon by any intellectual of our generation. They are magnificent books: extraordinary in erudition and originality, compelling in their ability to relate the digitized pandemonium of the present to the hushed agrarian sunrises of the far past. I read both thinking what literature might be like if every author knew so much, wrote so clearly and formed arguments with such care. All of which makes the two books exasperating, because both come to conclusions that are probably wrong.
 
Mr. Diamond -- who has academic training in physiology, geography and evolutionary biology -- is a lucid writer with an ability to make arcane scientific concepts readily accessible to the lay reader, and his case studies of failed cultures are never less than compelling.
 
Human behaviour towards the ecosphere has become dysfunctional and now arguably threatens our own long-term security. The real problem is that the modern world remains in the sway of a dangerously illusory cultural myth. Like Lomborg, most governments and international agencies seem to believe that the human enterprise is somehow 'decoupling' from the environment, and so is poised for unlimited expansion. Jared Diamond's new book, Collapse, confronts this contradiction head-on. It is essential reading for anyone who is unafraid to be disillusioned if it means they can walk into the future with their eyes open.
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I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command,
Tell that it's sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stampt on these lifeless things,
The hand that mockt them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

"Ozymandias," by Percy Bysshe Shelley (1817)
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To Jack and Ann Hirschy, Jill Hirschy Eliel and John Eliel, Joyce Hirschy McDowell, Dick (1929-2003) and Margy Hirschy, and their fellow Montanans: guardians of Montana's big sky
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A few summers ago I visited two dairy farms, Huls Farm and Gardar Farm, which despite being located thousands of miles apart were still remarkably similar in their strengths and vulnerabilities.
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Five point framework: "environmental damage, climate change, hostile neighbors, friendly trade partners, and a society's responses to its environmental problems."

Amazon.com Amazon.com Review (ISBN 0143036556, Paperback)

Jared Diamond's Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed is the glass-half-empty follow-up to his Pulitzer Prize-winning Guns, Germs, and Steel. While Guns, Germs, and Steel explained the geographic and environmental reasons why some human populations have flourished, Collapse uses the same factors to examine why ancient societies, including the Anasazi of the American Southwest and the Viking colonies of Greenland, as well as modern ones such as Rwanda, have fallen apart. Not every collapse has an environmental origin, but an eco-meltdown is often the main catalyst, he argues, particularly when combined with society's response to (or disregard for) the coming disaster. Still, right from the outset of Collapse, the author makes clear that this is not a mere environmentalist's diatribe. He begins by setting the book's main question in the small communities of present-day Montana as they face a decline in living standards and a depletion of natural resources. Once-vital mines now leak toxins into the soil, while prion diseases infect some deer and elk and older hydroelectric dams have become decrepit. On all these issues, and particularly with the hot-button topic of logging and wildfires, Diamond writes with equanimity.

Because he's addressing such significant issues within a vast span of time, Diamond can occasionally speak too briefly and assume too much, and at times his shorthand remarks may cause careful readers to raise an eyebrow. But in general, Diamond provides fine and well-reasoned historical examples, making the case that many times, economic and environmental concerns are one and the same. With Collapse, Diamond hopes to jog our collective memory to keep us from falling for false analogies or forgetting prior experiences, and thereby save us from potential devastations to come. While it might seem a stretch to use medieval Greenland and the Maya to convince a skeptic about the seriousness of global warming, it's exactly this type of cross-referencing that makes Collapse so compelling. --Jennifer Buckendorff

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