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... of John Keats thrown in. In fact a clone of Keats becomes a major character towards the end of the series. He also wrote Ilium and Olympos which are obviously SF versions of Homer. I would rank him as one of the elite writers active today. I just thought that I would pass that on in ... Olympos and Ilium by Dan Simmons; breathtaking, fantastical, at times wildly funny, gruesome. Altogether wonderful.
Dan Simmons' Ilium and Olympos ... k)
The Night Sessions, Ken MacLeod
Black Man, Richard Morgan
The Caryatids, Bruce Sterling
Kéthani, Eric Brown
Ilium, Dan Simmons
... references to his work. A couple of the most recent include Tad Williams' Mountain of Black Glass, and Dan Simmons' Ilium (which especially delves into it, beginning true to events of the Iliad before veering off into a wildly alternate history where the Greeks and Trojans unite to ... Not T.S. Eliot, although I'm presently reading Olympos by Dan Simmons, sequel to Ilium, which touches on Shakespeare a lot - particularly his sonnets and The Tempest. Might interest you. Currently reading Illium by Dan Simmons Currently reading Illium by Dan Simmons and recently finished The Unit by Ninni Holmqvist both of which I hope to review externally in the next few weeks.
> #39 I recommend The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester for anyone who is insterersted in delving into some foundation/classic ... ... that?
Hyperion is 480 pages and Fall Of Hyperion is 544 pages. Both are above average length for a SF novel. Ilium is 656 pages, Endymion is 624 pages, The Rise of Endymion is 816 pages, Olympos is 832 pages. Where are these short SF novels that Dan Simmons is supposed to ... Ilium by Dan Simmons, American Gods by Neil Gaiman come to mind.
It might help to give some examples of ones you have read and liked and ones read but didn't like, so that people don't recommend things you have already read and have an idea what you are looking for. You might try Ilium by Dan Simmons, which is sort a combination of SciFi and the Trojan War. Also Celestial Navigation also sort of SciFish-it posits that physics as understood by the Greeks are in fact correct and helps Ancient Greece keep a technological edge that keeps it intact longer. Old Man's War, The Last Colony and Zoe's Tale by John Scalzi. (The Ghost Brigades was in third-person.) Parts of Ilium by Dan Simmons were told in first-person. Also Julian May's Rampart Worlds series - Perseus Spur et al.
Stanislaw Lem's short stories about Ijon Tichy (The Star D ... Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons, with the Shrike and man's religions vs. machine's religions, come to mind, as do the Endymion sequels. The Doomsday Book by Connie Willis, with the village priest's confession, has religious threads, as does her Passage. ... Dan Simmons (no touchstone) made several attempts at literary science fiction? Hyperion constantly referenced Yeats, and Illium constantly referenced Shakespeare and Homer. ... Mote in God's Eye by Niven/Pournelle
Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson (1 of 3)
Hyperion by Dan Simmons (1 of 4)
Ilium by Dan Simmons (1 of 2)
Heroes Die by Matthew Woodring Stover (1 of 4) I am about half-way through Drood by Dan Simmons, and delighting in it's creepiness. I am really glad that I read The Mystery of Edwin Drood immediately before. (Finished that one Thursday night and picked up Drood from the library Friday.)
I must confess that if I ever meet Dan Simmons I ... ... for a bit. On the other hand, if it can't be recast as fantasy, then it may not really be Space Opera. For example, yes, in Illium there are science fiction elements, but most of them could be recast as fantastical or magical elements without affecting the story.
And the ability to transform ... Part of Ilium and Olympos are reenactments of the Trojan Wars, but the actual story of the two novels could only exist because of other aspects of the story - the moravecs, the posthumans, etc. It's been a while since I read them, but it's more than just the Iliad transplanted onto Mars.
Whil ... ... extraordinarily odd claim, since many SF stories are just recastings of historical event or mythical tales in a SF setting. Illium and Olympos spring to mind as obvious examples. If you can go one direction, it shouldn't be too surprising you can go the other. ... Life. I wanted to love it, but only liked it. Sigh. Now I'm reading something entirely different, Carrion Comfort by Dan Simmons, loaned to me by my hot boss. It's about 900 pages long, so I'm sure it will take a while. More later! Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion were better than Endymion and The Rise of Endymion. Ilium was better than Olympos. It seems Simmons is better at starting things then he is finishing them. ... - Alexander McCall Smith
Pompeii - Robert Harris
Daniel Deronda - George Eliot
Lilith - George MacDonald
Ilium - Dan Simmons ... och
Pompeii - Robert Harris
Sayonara Bar - Susan Barker
Daniel Deronda - George Eliot
Lilith - George MacDonald
Ilium - Dan Simmons (haven't finished this yet but I know it's going to make my favourites list!) ... books. Which is probably why I didn't enjoy it at all.
It's sci-fi, and darned good on its own, but Dan Simmons' Ilium/Olympos duology might be more enjoyable to those with a background in Homer, Proust, and Shakespeare (specifically, The Tempest.) Just remember that the Hyperion series is four novels--and not one of them under 400 pages! I liked Ilium and Olympos a bit better, but that may be because I have a long-standing affinity for the Greek gods. I thoroughly enjoyed The Terror but I was reading it in a freezing basement guest ... ... long and the ending was a bit lacking. Children of the Night was another very good horror novel by Simmons. I've read Ilium and thoroughly enjoyed it, but had a hard time getting into the sequel (Olympos). I haven't read the Hyperion series, but do plan to do so (sometime). ... week from ebay i've had
Plains of Passage and Shelters of Stone, because I read books 1-3 recently.
Dan Simmons, Illium
Song in the Silence, because I was reading a thread over on the name that book group and the book synopsis rang a bell.
Golden Torc, Non born king and Advers ... Ilium - Dan Simmons - a retelling of Homer's epic story, the Iliad. The part where future people are sent to the past to record history, and manipulate it, are extremely good, particularly describing the Gods. It is the highlight of the book, and a third of it is dedicated to this idea.
However ... Ha. And after Ilium, you have to read Olympos, as they're pretty much a diptych. A Banks novel would be shorter... ... into a series of five-hundred page books is a bit unrealistic at the moment.
Just to contradict my last post, I have Illium next on my TBR pile, which I must have a look at, which will also be my first Dan Simmons novel. ... Robinson
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J. K. Rowling
Hominids by Robert J. Sawyer
Hyperion by Dan Simmons
Ilium by Dan Simmons
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
Lavondyss by Robert Holdstock
Mirror Dance by Lois McMaster Bujold
Moving Mars by Greg Bea ... ... them, I present Twenty-Five Desert Island Reads in Science Fiction
1) Forerunner Foray – Andre Norton
2) Ilium – Dan Simmons
3) Pavane – Keith Roberts
4) The Earthsea Trilogy – Urusla K. LeGuin (one entry, don’t care if it’s cheatimg or not)
5) River of Go ... ... more. A reread of 2001: A Space Odyssey was not a success.
Hyperion was okay. I guess I'm almost alone in thinking Ilium was a better read. Not a suggestion, mind! ... has a number of myths retold:
Hyperion 2257 copies, 27 reviews
The fall of Hyperion 1765 copies, 18 reviews
Ilium 1292 copies, 24 reviews
Endymion 1275 copies, 8 reviews
The rise of Endymion 1117 copies, 8 reviews
Olympos 897 copies, 18 reviews
Hyperion is vaguley ... #60 I liked the first two Hyperion books, but not the second two. Ilium promised to be a great sf diptych; Olympos didn't deliver.
#61 Not tried Tony Daniels, although I'm beginning to think I should. Robert Reed is... Well, I liked Marrow and its sequel. I also liked some of his ... I have a copy of Dan Simmons Children Of The Night which I have never gotten around to reading but hope to be able to start reading it soon. Until then I still have several other books I am currently reading at the time and I would like to finish some of them before I start another new book. Has ... 26:Illium by Dan Simmons
27.Olympos by Dan Simmons
I was a little disappointed by this set. Illium was good-complex, interesting, a little confusing. Olympos was all of these things as well, without nearly as much tying off, connecting & explaining as I wanted/expected. It almost felt like ... ... to order a copy for $5.
All of Simmons books in the past 10 or so years are doorstoppers and Ilium is no exception. It clocks in around 650 pages in hardcover, so probably around 800+ in paperback. It took me a while to get into the book, but once I did, it was ... ... really exciting me with the synopsis.
What's Flesh Welder about? I was interested in the chapbook.
Definately getting Ilium by Simmons. Love The Illiad and would love to read an update on it. Doesn't Simmons always write big honking doorstoppers though. Is this a heavyweight or more ... ... OK, currently Simmons is not writing SF or horror, but his last book The Terror was excellent. I even prefered it to Ilium and Olympos. I'll keep reading Simmons (even his hard boiled detective novels) as long as he keeps writing. Loved The Lies of Locke Lamora but am having a very ... 13. Ilium by Dan Simmons -- An excellent sci-fi story with Homer's Iliad serving as the backdrop. Throw in some Shakespeare quoting robots, a few dinosaurs, and mythological creatures and it's amazing how Simmons ties it all together. You don't need to have read the Iliad beforehand to ... My husband just lurves the Ilium series. He'll read them over and over if I don't feed him other books. ... ign.
Mozart in the Jungle Someone mentioned this in passing. Doesn't look too appealing from the blurbs on the back.
Ilium I ♥ Dan Simmons.http://www.librarything.com/author/simmonsdan After reading The Terror I am slowing working through the Hyperion series.
Wideacre I ... I've read Hyperion and really enjoyed it. I haven't read his Ilium series but I heard that it wasn't as good so I'm not sure if I will. Thanks for the recommendations....I'll have to hunt them down at my local 2nd hand sci fi store. Now that I'm finished with Ilium, I'm moving on to a reread of Olympos. ... (writes a lot of military sci-fi)
Harry Turtledove (he writes alternate fantasy/sci-fi realities stories)
Hyperion by Dan Simmons
Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke
Old Man's War by John Scalzi
The Forever War by Joe Haldeman}
City of Pearl by Karen Traviss (1st book ... And it's on to a reread of Ilium by Dan Simmons. Really alien aliens?
Setebos and Caliban as well as Ariel from Ilium / Olympos by Dan Simmons come to my mind. For someone recent, I think Dan Simmons has inventive Science fiction with Ilium and Olympos. I did like his Hyperion series from the 1990's, maybe better. I'd say that there's only two details that might keep Ilium and Olympos from qualifying:
1. It's set in the future, not "modern day." Though there is a modern-day person who has been brought back to life in the future.
2. The characters contemporary to the setting don't go back in time ... ... was very interesting... there was just too much junk around the interesting parts to make it worthwhile. It picks up where Ilium left off, with the the heroes of the Trojan War battling the gods on Olympus, the Earth-bound post-humans struggling to deal with a world that has suddenly turned ... I am watching the Trojan war on Mars (among other places) with Dan Simmons's Ilium. Lots of fun. ... a backwater country. It was really interesting, highly recommended.
Now I am moving on to the Trojan war but on Mars in Ilium ... Vol. 2) by Tad Williams
Hardcase (A Joe Kurtz Novel) by Dan Simmons - after being vastly disappointed by Ilium and Olympos, I decided to try some of the other things Simmons has written. I should have quit while I was ahead. If you think uttering obscenities and killing ... 25. Ilium by Dan Simmons - I initially really hated this book. By around page 150, after holding off the impulse to just stop reading many times, the story picked up and started to intrigue. By page 450, the storyline was flying along. By the end, however, I felt disappointed again... the ... March 23, 2007: #14 Ilium by Dan Simmons (731 Pages)
I picked this up because I was intrigued by the idea of the Trojan War fought on a planet peopled by dinosaurs, Caliban, little green men and robots resembling giant cockroaches who spout Proust. Was not disappointed. Hugely ... ...
Because I'm reading 3 books that are each 800 pages plus. 2 books by Dan Simmons. One is The Terror and the other is Ilium: the Trojan War on Mars. And then there's Colleen McCullough's Caesar ... presumably. :)
I definitely have a bit less patience for 'long books' and series at the moment, anyway (and haven't read Ilium either ... disagree.
29 I, too, have moved away from reading a lot of SF, perhaps for the same reasons. I started Dan Simmons Ilium but tossed it as soon as I realized it was incomplete and one would have to read the second book (I hate that kind of manipulation). Of course, there seems to be more ... I haven't read Ilium as yet and hadn't really considered Lord of Light as you say, because of the 'kind of' thing. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but how about Lord of light by Roger Zelazny and Ilium by Dan Simmons?
Both are sci-fi novels in which main characters kind of act out the roles of some of the ancient gods ... Lord of light involves Hindu/Buddhism and was fantastic ... Ilium ... I'm reading Ilium by Dan Simmons. It's not at all what I expected (a straight alternate history), but it's more engaging than I thought it would be when I realized it wasn't what I thought. But it's long, and I'm not sure how long I'll keep reading it before I jump to The Blind Side by M ...
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