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... Again
48. Girl With Curious Hair
49. Kafka on the Shore
50. A Wild Sheep Chase
Added 12/25/09
51. Dune
52. Dhalgren
53. Spycatcher
54. The Plague
55. A Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur's Court
56. Great Expectations
57. Hamlet
58. Dracula
59. Been Down So Lon ... ... Goethe
After the Quake by Haruki Murakami
Elizabeth Costello by J. M. Coetzee
Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino
Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany
The Major Works by Gerard Manley Hopkins
The Original of Laura by Vladimir Nabokov
that's 76, i hit the community's goal and it looks ... ... Goethe
After the Quake by Haruki Murakami
Elizabeth Costello by J. M. Coetzee
Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino
Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany
The Major Works by Gerard Manley Hopkins
The Original of Laura by Vladimir Nabokov I remember Paperback Booksmith from the 70s. We had one in our local mall. I found Dhalgren there. Still a vivid memory.
It closed and was never replaced with any other book store.
The chains came in, but they are in the south end of the city, and I am in the north.
That mall also ... Never read Dhalgren but I tried Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand and didn't make it out of the prologue.
But then I tried M&M (yes, the same one this group is currently reading) and really couldn't get into it. Since you have it up through November, I might try it again. I ran out of ... ... it and maybe Childhood's End and The Sheep Look Up, I just can't get "in" to it anymore. Have you read or attempted Dhalgren by any chance? I couldn't finish it. ... due from Aqueduct Press later this year.
6. Who are your three favorite characters in books?
Kid from Dhalgren, Samuel R Delany
Tabitha Jute from Take Back Plenty, Colin Greenland
White Crow from Rats and Gargoyles, The Architecture of Desire and Left to His Own Dev ... Which is why people like Heinlein and not Dhalgren
Pynchon, Bolano, Melville, and Burroughs use genre as a "starting point," while each transformed fiction in their unique way. Even works heavily indebted to genre, like The Sopranos and Apocalypse Now -- 2 non-book examples -- brought ... ... that I didn't at twenty-five: write lots of words, no one will notice that you're not saying much.
I haven't re-read Dhalgren, Delany's claim-to-fame book, and now I don't think I will. This re-read wasn't a success at all. It's a book I think is second rate, about ideas I think are ... ... biological gender. And the dialogue... half the time the characters are speaking prose, not speech.
Considering that Dhalgren is one of my favourite novels, I'm finding this one a bit of a slog. ... pick it up again but I found it uninteresting.
I do have many of Delany's books and have read and enjoyed quite a few: Dhalgren, Atlantis:Three Tales, Motion of Light and Water, Mad Man, Heavenly Breakfast, the infamous Hogg.
But the mention of a graphic novel made me realize ... ... times previously... although that was more than 15 years ago. And that's despite liking Delany's fiction a great deal - Dhalgren is a favourite (see here), Empire Star is another I ... ... would be something I would find entirely in character.
Of Delany's work, I have read Nova, Triton, Dhalgren, and Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand as well as several short stories. I have Babel-17, The Einstein Intersection and a ... ... the book on some advertising copy on the front of the book. My copy did not have those sentences.
#15
I haven't read Dhalgren (always too intimidated to try, and it has had a very mixed reception), hated Neveryon (not a big fan of sword & sorcery in the first place), but like Delany's ... ... and answers are not so important to him, and in many cases he resolutely refuses to answer them (see, for example, Dhalgren). I believe that it is possible that Delany never intended to write The Splendor and Misery of Bodies, of Cities leaving all of the questions raised in < ... ... you like books that are somewhat incomprehensible, Russell Hoban's Riddley Walker or Samuel R. Delany's Dhalgren.
For fantasy, if you are looking for classics, or just good examples of the genre, try Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea series (A Wizard of Earthsea, ... I'm about to start Dhalgren and I'm a little worried. It's supposed to be one of those out there sci-fi books. I'm hoping I can do it justice. In most of SRD's novels and stories, note the characters who chew their fingernails to the quick. Kid/Kidd does in Dhalgren.
SRD told us in one of his biographical notes that he is sexually turned on by dirty youths with chewed nails. Urchins and runaways.
As for Stars In My Pocket Like Gra ... ... Still, I will be picking up The Jennifer Morgue, the sequel, sometime soon.
I also read about 150 or 200 pages of Dhalgren, but I have put it aside for now. It is a very '70s book--the first 100 pages or so seem to consist of the main character wandering around and having sex with ... ... Eastercon. Once that's done, I'll probably have a brief foray into a short story anthology (Subterfuge most likely) then dhalgren following discussion I read elsewhere on here.
Alex
x x ... fiction ever, and under the definitions Stellar provided above of post modernism they would surely qualify. I don't think Dhalgren is in that league, although perhaps it aims at it, and if so should be commended for its aspirations if not its accomplishments. ... works of postwar British literature. The Avignon Quintet is also excellent.
So in that respect, I have no problem with Dhalgren as a novel. ... while doesn't even bother to rhyme.
After reading Heavenly Breakfast and Motion of Light In Water, I concluded that Dhalgren was primarily an exploration in fiction of his RL experiences in various forms of communal living in his youth. Dhalgren has a lot of touches that one can ... You don't like postmodern fiction, so you didn't like Dhalgren. It seems a bit churlish to complain that it doesn't succeed "on any conventional grounds" when it can't actually be judged on conventional grounds. It's clearly not a traditional novel - the lack of explanation for Bellona's ... I disagree about the Emperor's New Clothes thing. Dhalgren is an excellent novel. Just because you have to work hard when reading it doesn't mean its reputation is unfounded. Like so much else in Dhalgren, the identity of the title character is ambiguous. Of course, the identity of The Kid is a complete mystery - he may very well be Dhalgren, having simply forgotten his own name and caught in a circular loop. The entire city of Bellona and The Kid's travels ... ... Pierce & James Caviezel is superb.
#4...and yet another member joins the COAT (Cult of A. Theroux!) Yeah!
Let me add Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany. Dhalgren would be...
1. ... meets boy
2. boy... Dhalgren?
As far as broccoli and wine, I thought I was writing grocery lists?
1. Cat food.
2. Shotgun shells.
3. Fishing lures.
4. Steak.
5. Grappa. ... was the first I read, but I didn't recognize him as "Samuel Delany" (with the caps) until I randomly picked up a copy of Dhalgren in a bookstore one day. Outside of Dhalgren, I think Babel-17 is my favorite so far, although I am working through and enjoying Stars in My Pocket right now, ... ... to some day). I've read much of his non-fiction, though I find the longer essays kind of tough going. I read and enjoyed Dhalgren a couple of times in my twenties, but I'm not sure I'll ever reread it. I look forward to rereading the Neveryon books some time. My great wish is that he will ... I like Dhalgren a great deal. I wrote about here. ... other Samuel R. Delany fans were following this group, and what books of his were your particular favorites, and why. Dhalgren, of course, is a touchstone work of his, although to today's audience it often reads like a science-fiction, omnisexual production of "HAiR" -- while at the same ... ... Open Doors - John Barnes
The Lights in the Sky Are Stars - Fredric Brown
The Stars My Destination - Alfred Bester
Dhalgren - Samuel R. Delany
Cyteen - C.J. Cherryh
Harpman
Escapement - Jay Lake
The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. LeGuin
The Engines of God - Jack McDevitt
... ... Open Doors - John Barnes
The Lights in the Sky Are Stars - Fredric Brown
The Stars My Destination - Alfred Bester
Dhalgren - Samuel R. Delany
Cyteen - C.J. Cherryh
Harpman
Escapement - Jay Lake
The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. LeGuin
The Engines of God - Jack McDevitt
... Dahlgren would be interesting, but I agree it is a challenge. But Neuromancer is the book I am seconding ... and I'm teaching it this Spring! ... Open Doors - John Barnes
The Lights in the Sky Are Stars - Fredric Brown
The Stars My Destination - Alfred Bester
Dhalgren - Samuel R. Delany
Cyteen - C.J. Cherryh
Neuromancer - William Gibson
I Who Have Never Known Men - Jacqueline Harpman
Escapement - Jay Lake
The Left H ... Much as I love Dhalgren, I was hoping for something a bit, well, shorter this time around. ... I too would like to nominate Stapledon's Last and first men--or is it second? Third? Vote?
One more nomination: Dhalgren. Dhalgren, The Female Man, The Left Hand of Darkness, Riddley Walker, Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand, The Man in the High Castle. Lots of good books so far!
Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany? I had the pleasure of attending an event where Mr. Delaney read from Dhalgren and signed copies of his books. He was really great but was not necessarily forthcoming about writing the novel. Perhaps he was being humble, or maybe he just "does what he does" and doesn't make a big deal of it. Dhalgren is a novel that requires work. And, of course, there's pretty much anything by Gene Wolfe... I have signed paperback copies of Joan D. Vinge's The Snow Queen and Samuel R. Delaney's Dhalgren.
Also a hardcover version (unsigned) of Tiptree's Up the Walls of the World. A few random additions:
Samuel R. Delany's Dhalgren
Roger Zelazny's Creatures of Light and Darkness
Paul Auster's playful and mercifully short Travels in the Scriptorium
Dhalgren .... yahhhhhhhh.
Spoilers are not an issue with this book.
there are only three that i won't live without. in no order:
The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin
Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin ... M. Miller, Jr.
Left Hand of Darkness : Ursula le Guin
This Alien Shore : C. S. Friedman
Alas, Babylon : Pat Frank
Dhalgren : Samuel R. Delany
Treason : Orson Scott Card
Rainbow’s End : Vernor Vinge
The Parafaith War : L. E. Modesitt
The Day of the Triffids : John Wyndham
... ... Starmaker -Olaf Stapledon
5)The Pillars of Eternity -Barrington J Bayley
6)Mission of Gravity - Hal Clement
7)Dhalgren -Samuel R Delany
8)Solaris-Stanislaw Lem
9)Dawn-Octavia Butler
10)Childhood’s End -Arthur C Clarke
11)Stand on Zanzibar -John Brunner
12)The Godwhal ... ...
14 Hyperion, Dan Simmons
15 A Case of Conscience, James Blish
16 The Ophiuchi Hotline, John Varley
17 Dahlgren, Samuel R. Delany
18 Rendezvous with Rama, Arthur C. Clarke
19 Ash: A Secret History, Mary Gentle
20 Fairyland, Paul J. McAuley
21 Chekho ... ... End of Mr. Y, Scarlett Thomas
* Cloud Atlas, David Mitchell
* Tales of the Dying Earth, Jack Vance
* Dahlgren, Samuel Delany
* Childhood's End, Arthur C. Clarke
* Consider Phlebas, Iain M. Banks
* The Fortress of Solitude, Jonathan Lethem
* Evolut ... ... didn't start it for a long time because it'd been dubbed the Gravity's Rainbow of science fiction, but once I started it Dhalgren was way more straightforward than I expected.
I do think it completely fell apart in the last 200 pages. That being said, I loved all of the great social ... 4, 6:
Oooooh, now you both have reminded me to re-read this one. I love Dahlgren even if I don't care much for the rest of Delany's work. 4 - Gosh, that's intimidating reading. Dahlgren was impressive, but I'm not sure I understood any of it. I just finished Dhalgren, now I'm reading Watchmen. I've seen it suggested that the protagonist of Samuel R. Delany's Dahlgren is schizophrenic. It would explain some of the book's strangeness... ... Ellison.
#65
The writing of a book has to be one of the major factors for whether you read a book or not. I will put up Dhalgren as an example - I've tried it twice. The ideas are there, and they are good, but it is so painful to read, I have had to give it up. I would put Delany down as a prose stylist, it not for Dhalgren, then for something like The Einstein Intersection.
I'd move on to the obvious not yet mentioned - William Burroughs and his admitted devotee William Gibson.
You could add Thomas Disch. J G Ballard.
Firmly in the genre, Robert S ... #3 I'll admit I like Dhalgren, but I don't rate its prose that highly. It has its moments, but it's often clumsy.
A Maggot is the most overtly genre of Fowles' novels, which is why I picked it. I enjoyed The French Lieutenant's Woman more, but I think the wroting in A Maggot was probably ... NOBODY better put Samuel Delaney's DHALGREN on this thread or I'll....
Hey, wait, I just did!
Merde...
I'm surprised you liked A MAGGOT, Ian. That's the one that really didn't work for me. Also interesting that you rank Lucius Shepard so highly. I haven't read him in years, though I ... 1. Dhalgren
2. The Left Hand of Darkness
3. George R.R. Martin}'s Song of Ice and Fire series
4. The Man in the High Castle by Dick
5. The Female Man by Russ ... order...
* Dune, Frank Herbert
* Undercover Aliens, A.E. van Vogt
* Coelestis, Paul Park
* Dahlgren, Samuel R. Delany
* The Ophiuchi Hotline, John Varley ... Valis, quite arguably his best novel, comes out of the ashes of that thing is extraordinary.
I suspect if you found Dhalgren daunting, you were stopped in the first 50 pages or so. The smoke clears significantly after that and it's not a difficult book to read at all. It has a lot of ... ...
A similar thing happened when I read Motion in Light and Water, and Delany explained how the central idea of Dhalgren came about (by that I mean the journal). It's like he explained how the trick was done and some of the magic was lost.
I think the magician's axiom applies to ... ... Pullman... well, you should really read the trilogy one after the other.
The Delany - much as I like his writing - and Dhalgren is a favourite novel - I've never managed to finish Stars In My Pocket Like Grains of Sand.
Of the remaining ones, I'd say Light is the most interesting. Th ... ... 150-200 page books I read in a couple of hours each on the weekend (So Much To Tell You and Winter, to the 800 pages of Dhalgren and The Golden Fool. ... Education of Drusilla Strange" by Theodore Sturgeon the protagonist develops a relationship with a human musician
In Dhalgren by Samuel Delany the protagonist is a poet
... that captures PKD's weirdness is A Scanner Darkly. Unfortunately, it stars Keanu Reeves...
Cliff - yes, give Dhalgren another bash. Some of the stuff in it about writing - especially that "spoken" by the character Ernest Newboy - is complete and utter tosh. And the book's atitudes ... Cliff, Dhalgren is one of my favourite novels. It's one of those books that each time you reread it, you realise something different about it.
reading_fox - I don't think sf is out of ideas. I just think their treatment has changed. reading fox:
I think my "weirdness limit" was Samuel Delaney's DHALGREN. That one buried the needle in "red" 20 years ago and I haven't had the nerve to look at it since.
However, I am fully willing to admit that Delaney is a smarter writer than I am a reader (and I don't hold that against ... Thanks to the inspiration of this thread, I picked up Dhalgren last night. It's a 900 page tome of rhapsodic prose in a s-f context. I'm 30 pages in and terribly confused, but it's good to read. I noticed Dhalgren staring at me accusingly on the bookshelf this morning. I'll have to get to that some time. I don't have 'that one book'. I have 'that shelf of books'. ... Aliens, A.E. van Vogt (1950)
Dune, Frank Herbert (1965)
Soldier, Ask Not, Gordon R. Dickson (1967)
Dhalgren, Samuel Delany (1975)
The Ophiuchi Hotline, John Varley (1977)
Where Time Winds Blow, Robert Holdstock (1981)
Kairos, Gwyneth Jones (1988)
... On the other hand, many would say Yes, forget Dhalgren. It's a novel which attracted favourable and unfavourable comment in equal quantity (and vehemence). Don't forget Samuel Delaney's Dhalgren. ... Revelation Space. I also need to finish Forward the Foundation, Inherit the Stars, Ilse Witch, The Listeners, and Dhalgren. I have such a bad habit of starting books but never finishing them! Gosh, Tiffin, I seem to have missed this post; thanks for your interest. I have come quite late to Dhalgren -- never even heard of it "in the day." True, Stranger in a Strange Land is pretty tame compared to Dhalgren, and much more accessible, but in retrospect maybe not as satisfying or ... #17 - Kambrogi, Dhalgren was one of my favourite books when I was younger. It stayed with me for weeks after reading it. I've always wanted to re-read it but have never wanted to lose that original glow it gave me, so haven't. It isn't an easy read, which is why I suspect it never caught on ... ... accepted by the reader.
Good examples of slipstream I have read (and been fascinated with) are Gravity's Rainbow, Dhalgren, and Hawksmoor.
And yes, I have noticed that slipstream lists often include works I wouldn't apply the label to; seeming to encompass the broad category of ... work and yet it might not feel "literary" to me, just outside of my ken or experience - I'm thinking of something like Dhalgren by Delany here.
So I don't equate dense with literary (sometimes I think I'm what's dense and I certainly don't feel literary when I do). Nor do I think that ... ... Does 'crappy' have a standard definition in English 'criticism', or am I supposed to guess?
And I happened to like Dhalgren, believe it or not. ... less subtle about 'shock treatment' than usual.
Funny how people don't bitch about books like Tropic of Cancer and Dhalgren (they were ART!) but they can't stand the blasphemous idea that Africans might someday turn the tables on us po' white folks and treat us like animals for a 1000 ... ... the least well-read person at that session, so I got a ton of recommendations. The two that I will be reading first are Dhalgren by Delaney and Engine Summer by Crowley.
I posted my list from that night and a report of my time at the con at my blog, which you can find at the ... ... John Brunner
Dangerous Visions (anthology). Harlan Ellison, ed.
The Demolished Man.* Alfred Bester
Dhalgren.* Samuel R. Delany
Engine Summer.* John Crowley
Fahrenheit 451. Ray Bradbury
Fever Dream. George R. R. Martin
Fiskadoro. Denis Johnson ... ... was Shannara. I don't love The Forever War the way some people seem to, and I never managed to get all the way through Dhalgren or Little, Big.
My biggest complaints are: where is The Dispossessed? Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang? One Gene Wolfe is not enough; definitely ... ... don't really like books that seem to be an exercise in making allusions and don't work without them. I'm afraid that's how Dahlgren seemed when I attempted it.
Of course, there are allusions, and then there is being hit over the head with a two-by-four. When I saw, in That Hideous Strength ... ... Summer; for fantasy his Aegypt series.
Gene Wolfe. I'll let other recommend specific titles here.
Samuel Delany, Dhalgren
Gwyneth Jones, White Queen, Divine Endurance, and other titles
Ursula K. LeGuin, Always Coming Home
James Morrow, Towing Jehovah, City of Truth
China ... ... much better than mediocre, unfortunately)
Childhood's End - Arthur Clarke
The Ophiuchi Hotline -John Varley
Dhalgren - Samuel Delany (if this is even truly SF?)
My favorite is Courtship Rite by Donald Kingsbury but there is also:
Dhalgren by Samuel R Delany
Barbary and Starfarers by Vonda McIntyre
Heaven Chronicles and The Outcasts of Heaven Belt by Joan D. Vinge
The Fifth Sacred Thing and Walking to Mercury by Starha ... #11 Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delaney (March/April): It took me about a month to read this book, although that was probably more due to the circumstances of my life than the nature of the 801-page volume. A sci-fi adventure that explores an imaginary city in mid-America after a localized ... I am immersed in Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delaney now, and it is a long, complex and puzzling read. I suppose it was a sort of 1970's Stranger in a Strange Land, a Bible of the young, but I missed it at the time. I shall be with it for a while, and will certainly not maintain my book-a-week+ ... I am immersed in Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delaney now, and it is a long, complex and puzzling read. I suppose it was a sort of 1970's Stranger in a Strange Land, a Bible of the young, but I missed it at the time. I shall be with it for a while ... ... further. If you look at the tags for The Mad Man and Bread and Wine, it's quite a different balance than we find with Dhalgren or Nova. Perhaps the first two should be in the gay/lesbian section and the second two in science fiction. And The Motion of Light in Water should be in "Auto ... I'll second the vote for Acker ... Dhalgren by Samuel R. Delany also might work for you. ... g
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell Susanna Clarke
the Sparrow Mary Doria Russell oops there is a sequel.
Dhalgren Samuel R. Delany
... Introduction and The Undercover Economist...
Naturally, I'm up for other suggestions. There was some talk about Dhalgren, which I do now own and have only dipped into; but it's almost five-and-a-half times as long as The Great Explosion. I'd meant to get to it this year, though; ... ... yh
8. Lilith's Brood (Omnibus Xenogensis Trilogy), Octavia Butler
9. The Handmaid's Tale, Margaret Atwood
10. Dhalgren, Samuel R. Delany
11. Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert Heinlein
12. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert Heinlein
13. Ringworld, Books 1-2, Larry ... Dhalgren 1. Which Ian Banks?
2. Thank you for the recommendation on Dhalgren. I loved Nova, also by Samuel Delaney, but was a bit scared of Samuel Delaney's later "experimental" reputation as well as of Dhalgren's length. I almost bought a copy of the new edition, but pulled back on the ... Reading the posts about Dhalgren and the question about Iain Banks, in particular, have interested me sufficeintly to ask whether anyone might be interested in doing a group read? While Oakes mentioned it earlier, I've no idea whether even he is currently interested. But I'd be curious, in ... I would say that Dhalgren shows the early beginnings of replacing a sudden vacuum of structure with various forms of structure, most of them very much allowing for personal freedoms, some allowing for violence, as well, unfortunately.
I think the book is working through all of these levels at ... I think Dhalgren may be more about anarchy than libertarianism. And it's okay for libertarians to be led, I think, just not coerced. :) Dhalgren by Samual Delaney covers a society floundering with no structure. I don't know if I would call it Libertarian, but it does give a lot of examples of how different people react to a void in structure.
I always saw Beyond This Horizon by Heinlein as one of Heinlein's most ...
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