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The Great Debate: Edmund Burke, Thomas Paine, and the Birth of Right and Left (edition 2014)

by Yuval Levin (Author)

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"In The Great Debate Yuval Levin explores the origins of the familiar left/right divide in American politics by examining the views of the men who best represent each side of that debate: Edmund Burke and Thomas Paine. In a groundbreaking exploration of the origins of our political order, Levin shows that our political divide did not originate (as many historians argue) in the French Revolution, but rather in the Anglo-American debate about that revolution. Burke and Paine were both utterly fascinating figures--active in politics, versed in philosophy, and two of the best, most effective and powerful political writers and polemicists in the history of the English speaking world. Levin sets the work of these two men against the dramatic history of their era and shows how they mixed theory and practice to advance their very different notions of liberty, equality, nature, history, reason, revolution, and reform. Paine believed in radical change and saw the American and French Revolutions as catalysts for creating a new society; Burke believed in a significantly more gradual approach with each generation acting merely as part of a long chain of history. These differing approaches to revolution and reform created a division that continues to shape our current political discourse--including issues ranging from gun control and abortion to welfare and economic reform"--… (more)
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Great short book contrasting/comparing Edmund Burke and Thomas Paine as prototypes of AngloAmerican right and left wings. The author is a conservative but his treatment seems entirely fair and generous to me. People are what they are on that spectrum, and sometimes they move a bit, but this is the kind of valuable book that lets an open-minded person on either side understand a little better where people on the other side are coming from. It's fine to be a partisan but it's foolish to assume your adversaries are stupid, misinformed, or just plain evil. ( )
  steve02476 | Jan 3, 2023 |
Intriguing book about the modern origins of the debate between periodically "wiping the slate clean" as advocated by Thomas Paine and gradual, incremental reforms, as advocated by Edmund Burke. Apparently the two once dined together. I woiuld have like to be a fly on the wall to see such two great, opposing minds together.

In any event, the author clearly favors the more conservative philosophy of Edmund Burke. Thomas Payne apparently had a reputation as a bit of a "flame thrower. Levin tries to modulate that somewhat but it doesn't escape the pages. ( )
  JBGUSA | Jan 2, 2023 |
I'll admit to skimming some of it. I was rather familiar with Paine and his arguments. Burke, however, I only knew from his essay on the sublime and was intrigued and, ultimately, thrilled at his clarity of thought(much more clear then his essay on the sublime).

I found myself surprised and agreeing with both. I liked the chapter on justice(particularly pertinent at the moment) and Levin seems to be a rising thinker around here so I was interested in his summation(and was not disappointed).

I do dispute his thesis, though. I believe the rise of the "left" and "right" has much older origins(some of which he references himself---Hobbes and Locke, for instance). But it was an interesting dive into a time and dialogue that I am always willing to learn about. Now if A Time to Build will just come off the reserve list... ( )
  OutOfTheBestBooks | Sep 24, 2021 |
The most useful and engaging aspect of the book is the evocation of Edmond Burke’s political philosophy, to which, to my surprise, I was far more sympathetic than to that of Paine’s. I was so much more sympathetic to Burke that about half-way through the book I started to question the trustworthiness of the author. It was around that point that I started to lose patience with the repetitiousness of the argument. Burke’s point of view was well laid out in the first chapter or two and thereafter it was more or less obvious what his position would in the contexts the author introduced in each chapter. The same could be said for Paine. After the first couple of chapters there were very few kernels of revelation, so the book seemed to travel in a wide spiral, circling back over concepts in each chapter and in the end not getting very far. I read the conclusion at that halfway mark to gauge whether it would be worth reading the rest of the book to get there. The conclusion was muddled. The author was to have demonstrated his thesis that these two lines of though form the basis of the modern political ideological divide between right and left. What I found was a muddled series of equivocations. Nevertheless, I continued to the end, which speaks for how much I enjoyed the presentation of the ideas, and there were enough nuggets along the way that made it worthwhile.
Throughout the book I found myself identifying the ideas of Burke with the left and Paine with the right. So, while I can see the clear divide between those two men, their heritage is less clear in today’s schism. The author would have done us a service by examining how those original ideas metamorphosed into today’s camps. For all of its flaws, I’m glad I read it and would recommend it to anyone for a good summary of these influential ideas.
  sethwilpan | Aug 12, 2019 |
If you prefer your politics deeply theoretical, this is a book for you. I read this book out of more interest in 18th-century politics than modern ones, but the author makes some well-targeted comments on contemporary American politics. Interestingly, however, it's important to remember that Burke and Paine's political theorizing largely applied to the European stage and you could even argue this book's subtitle should be "The French Revolution as perceived by English-speaking politicans." Nevertheless, both Burke and Paine deserve the deep exploration of their ideas and this book only begins to provide them justice, considering the importance both play in the political ideology of the modern era. I did feel the author's basis emerged a few times (he's a conservative who's served in Republican administrations), but only subtlety and not in a way which detracts from the larger work. ( )
  wagner.sarah35 | Jan 10, 2016 |
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Notwithstanding his involvement in the controversies of the moment, if one judges by his new book, The Great Debate: Edmund Burke, Thomas Paine, and the Birth of Right and Left, Levin prefers the classics to more contemporary fare.

The Great Debate stands apart from many conservative books of the last decade because it is aimed almost quaintly above the current debates of the day. Barack Obama’s name appears once—in an offhand mention at the end that even the world’s most famous community organizer has claimed to be a Burkean at heart.

As Levin’s subtitle suggests, the book argues that these two contemporaries were the founders of the modern Anglo-American right (Burke) and left (Paine). Now, while the politician and polemicist Burke has long been considered the father of modern conservatism, Paine is far less likely to be considered a founding father by today’s left. But he does stand out as perhaps the greatest contemporary American defender of the French Revolution, a cataclysmic event that is widely, and rightly, seen as the birthplace of, variously, the left, the “revolutionary tradition,” and/or totalitarianism itself. Meanwhile, Burke was the greatest critic of the French Revolution in the English-speaking world, a fact that shocked many Americans who revered Burke for his moral support of the American Revolution. . . .

While it is obvious that Levin’s deeper affection is for Burke, he is never heavy-handed about it. Indeed, by the end of the book, it is clear that Levin is not really interested in selling the argument in his subtitle. Instead, he simply lets the men speak for themselves and trusts the reader to provide the context as needed. As Levin concedes, this is partly due to the fact that while the divergent worldviews of Burke and Paine illuminate important differences between right and left, they also clearly illuminate disagreements that run through the heart of Anglo-American life. These are two strands that together form—or at least deeply inform—the DNA of our political culture, and together they create family resemblances that transcend the conventional ideological divide.
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"In The Great Debate Yuval Levin explores the origins of the familiar left/right divide in American politics by examining the views of the men who best represent each side of that debate: Edmund Burke and Thomas Paine. In a groundbreaking exploration of the origins of our political order, Levin shows that our political divide did not originate (as many historians argue) in the French Revolution, but rather in the Anglo-American debate about that revolution. Burke and Paine were both utterly fascinating figures--active in politics, versed in philosophy, and two of the best, most effective and powerful political writers and polemicists in the history of the English speaking world. Levin sets the work of these two men against the dramatic history of their era and shows how they mixed theory and practice to advance their very different notions of liberty, equality, nature, history, reason, revolution, and reform. Paine believed in radical change and saw the American and French Revolutions as catalysts for creating a new society; Burke believed in a significantly more gradual approach with each generation acting merely as part of a long chain of history. These differing approaches to revolution and reform created a division that continues to shape our current political discourse--including issues ranging from gun control and abortion to welfare and economic reform"--

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