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Loading... Foundation's Fear (Foundation Trilogy)by Gregory BenfordSeries: Second Foundation Trilogy (1), Robot/Foundation (11)
 mikal | Nov 15, 2008 | 
This book is a solid zero stars in my mind. I got to page 372, but simply couldn't wade through the chore any longer. The plot meanders, and its not clear to me where the story is going. Worse still, basically nothing has happened yet. I am a little surprised, given the generally positive LibraryThing reviews. I should have read the Amazon reviews instead. Some examples: "Normally, I do a lot of my reading on the train (BART for those of you familiar with San Francisco), getting to and from work. An engrossing book keeps me awake and I read it relatively quickly. "Foundation's Fear", especially the first half of it, set a record for putting me to sleep. There were days in when I only managed to read a couple of pages. A paragraph or two and I'd be out, even before the train started moving. As others here have pointed out, there is a lot of boring dialogue and description and much of it focuses around the Voltaire and Joan of Arc artificial entities. Hundreds of pages of philosophical noodling and descriptions of imaginary scenes conjured up in cyberspace become numbing." And another: "This book is not good, not because it's not Asimov but because it's simply not good. I had the luxury of reading it within the context of the other two "new" books and while that helps in hindsight, it doesn't while you're slogging through Benford's weighty prose. Don't expect Asimov but then the reader shouldn't. As Bear and to a lesser extent Brin show, authors can bring a fresh perspective on the topic and do it fairly well. Benford never seems to make up his mind which of his myriad little sub plots will be the main plot and thus, nothing really happens that expands our understanding of the Foundation Galaxy. Moreover, instead of fleshing out some of Asimov's admittedly skimpy ideas in the Foundation galaxy or introducing new themes that build upon previous concepts, instead, we take a quantum leap into a muddled unknown with concepts (aliens and tiktoks being the two most egregious examples) that clearly don't belong in the Foundation setting. " This book differs from Asimov's view of the Foundation universe in important ways: * This book is much more explicit about Dors' nature than Asimov ever was. There was some element of doubt in Forward the Foundation right up until Dors' death. That is not the case with this book. * This book reworks Hari's entry into the First Minister position, which I found annoying. Especially because the discussion around that entry is slow, and lacks action. Basically the new version was kinda boring. * Worm holes are a major part of the economic makeup of the galactic empire in this book, but somehow Asimov never mentioned them in his books. * This book dwells on computers, robots, artificial intelligence, and aliens -- all things Asimov left out of his books (except for robots of course). Its not like Asimov was unaware of these things, he just didn't use them in this universe. * This book is really long (600 pages), but nothing much seems to actually happen in the first several hundred. The Sims sequence is the first really interesting part of the book, and even that drags on into long boring descriptions of polygons waving in the virtual wind. http://www.stillhq.com/book/Gregory_B... mikal | Nov 15, 2008 | Cleon I, the galactic emperor, needs a new First Minister. He eyes Hari Seldon. However, Seldon does not desire the job, per se, as it would take him away from his work with Psychohistory. Additionally, High Council member, Betan Lamurk, opposes the offer, as he would prefer it for himself. All the while, sims of Joan of Arc and Voltaire argue (for the purpose of Presevers vs. Skeptics Society debate) whether AIs should be built, and if so, whether they should be given equal rights. Seldon, facing threats from Lamurk, escapes his home world, Trantor, with his robot wife, Dors. The two visit vast, new worlds that help Seldon better formulate Psychohistory. Likewise, Joan and Voltare escape into the trantor Internet, called the Mesh, and there encounter something long forgotten/ Recommended for fans of Foundation wishing to read more books (albeit by different authors). Not recommended for readers expecting to read another posthumous Asimov book. Those readers will hate it. (  ) aethercowboy | Oct 21, 2008 | The first of three commissioned by Asimov's estate, this one chronicles some of the other adventures of Hari Seldon and Dors on Trantor, also explaining the absence of aliens in the Foundation universe and more about R. Daneel. (  ) jpsnow | Apr 5, 2008 | Sorry for the brevity of this review, but I've blacked out most memories of this book. What I do remember is that the protagonist Hari Seldon felt incompatible with how I (fondly) remember Asimov's character, and that the prolonged storyline about AI realizations of Joan of Arc and Voltaire seemed utterly unrelated to the Foundation world of Asimov and completely boring, to boot. Other raters have clearly liked this book, but it left me with zero interest in reading any farther in the series. (  ) clong | Dec 26, 2007 | stettin | Jul 17, 2007 | Massively enjoyable remake of FOUNDATION at the hands of a modern master. (  ) wfzimmerman | May 5, 2007 | Hari Seldon's beginning and the start of psychohistory. AZ_Dude | Mar 5, 2007 | sfreader.com | Jan 21, 2007 | I'd avoided reading Benford, particularly Benford-written sequels to Golden Age authiors, after hating "Beyond the Fall of Night". I think I might have been missing out on something great. This "Killer B" Foundation prequel fits seamlessly into the tone and themes of Asimov's latter additions to the Foundation series. So if you liked those, read this. ( ) pauliharman | Dec 19, 2006 | http://www.somefantastic.us/NRYSF_Rev... The fact that Gregory Benford wrote a novel based in Isaac Asimov's Foundation universe comes as no surprise. In the years before his death, Asimov created a shared universe for a short-lived series of anthologies; presented a series of books spotlighting new writers; allowed Robert Silverberg to expand "Nightfall," "The Ugly Little Boy," and "The Bicentennial Man" into full-length novels; and authorized Isaac Asimov's Robot City, a 12-book series--written by other authors based on his Three Laws of Robotics and set during the time of his robot novels. Benford himself is no stranger to this type of sharecropping; in the mid-eighties he wrote Beyond the Fall of Night a companion piece to Arthur C. Clarke's Against the Fall of Night... ( ) thetalkingmoose | Dec 2, 2005 | |
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"Normally, I do a lot of my reading on the train (BART for those of you familiar with San Francisco), getting to and from work. An engrossing book keeps me awake and I read it relatively quickly. "Foundation's Fear", especially the first half of it, set a record for putting me to sleep. There were days in when I only managed to read a couple of pages. A paragraph or two and I'd be out, even before the train started moving. As others here have pointed out, there is a lot of boring dialogue and description and much of it focuses around the Voltaire and Joan of Arc artificial entities. Hundreds of pages of philosophical noodling and descriptions of imaginary scenes conjured up in cyberspace become numbing."
And another:
"This book is not good, not because it's not Asimov but because it's simply not good. I had the luxury of reading it within the context of the other two "new" books and while that helps in hindsight, it doesn't while you're slogging through Benford's weighty prose.
Don't expect Asimov but then the reader shouldn't. As Bear and to a lesser extent Brin show, authors can bring a fresh perspective on the topic and do it fairly well. Benford never seems to make up his mind which of his myriad little sub plots will be the main plot and thus, nothing really happens that expands our understanding of the Foundation Galaxy. Moreover, instead of fleshing out some of Asimov's admittedly skimpy ideas in the Foundation galaxy or introducing new themes that build upon previous concepts, instead, we take a quantum leap into a muddled unknown with concepts (aliens and tiktoks being the two most egregious examples) that clearly don't belong in the Foundation setting. "
This book differs from Asimov's view of the Foundation universe in important ways:
* This book is much more explicit about Dors' nature than Asimov ever was. There was some element of doubt in Forward the Foundation right up until Dors' death. That is not the case with this book.
* This book reworks Hari's entry into the First Minister position, which I found annoying. Especially because the discussion around that entry is slow, and lacks action. Basically the new version was kinda boring.
* Worm holes are a major part of the economic makeup of the galactic empire in this book, but somehow Asimov never mentioned them in his books.
* This book dwells on computers, robots, artificial intelligence, and aliens -- all things Asimov left out of his books (except for robots of course). Its not like Asimov was unaware of these things, he just didn't use them in this universe.
* This book is really long (600 pages), but nothing much seems to actually happen in the first several hundred. The Sims sequence is the first really interesting part of the book, and even that drags on into long boring descriptions of polygons waving in the virtual wind.
http://www.stillhq.com/book/Gregory_B...