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... Class:History and Faith in the Southern Slaveholders' Worldview by Elizabeth Fox-Genovese and Eugene D. Genovese
2. Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher R. Browning
3. Fusiliers: The Saga of a British Redcoat Regiment in the Ameri ... ... are only going to read one text on 'everyman Nazis' it would be a race between this one and Browning's Ordinary Men.
4. Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher R. Browning
GREAT.
5. Women in Nazi Society by Jill Stephenson
Academic, ... #68
Hear, Hear! I agree completely and I am of the Ordinary Men school of thought. Any population and be seduced into these sort of atrocities.
Yeah, I regard Ordinary Men as the authority on the subject. My edition even has a "comeback" at Goldhagen in the back of it :-D Agreed, Browning nailed it with Ordinary Men. The picture is sickening, which is what makes it so powerful. ... The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1939-1945
On those who perpetrated these atrocities, we have Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, and "Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust"
Others ... ... lot to be desired. The author really stretched to make his point and, I think, contradicted himself in a few places. It and Ordinary Men both deal with the same events and look at many of the same source materials. If you read them look at Goldhagen's Hitlers Willing Executioners first and be ... ... the sources used and the author’s biases. That was a great topic when we compared Hitlers Willing Executioners with Ordinary Men
I am humbled by what a great job Linda Gordon did writing The Great Arizona Orphan Abduction with as few sources as were available to her. Just finished Ordinary Men. Not entertainment but very good reading. This edition had an afterword about Goldhagen's Willing Executioners. Browning takes him apart with his own words. I'm listening to A Savage War of Peace. This was a classic post WWII insurgency. I am told the book is ... # 17 Ordinary Men This review is not for the faint of heart. The topic of the book is a group of 500 men who participated in the holocaust and their actions are depicted up close and personal.
The book is based upon judicial interviews of 125 men of Reserve Police Battalion 101 from Hamburg, G ... thanks for the welcome!
right now i'm working on finishing Christopher R. Browning's Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland and Bob Ong's Ang Paboritong Libro Ni Hudas. Hopefully I'll finish both of them by midnext-week. They would be my #4 and #5 ... finished I, Claudius. I spent my monthly allowance at the big river (get it) and just got the package. I am starting Ordinary Men. The images coming off of the pages are pretty intense.
A book I have been reading for about one month is The Mind of the Master Class. It is a one ... ... by the visceral assault on the senses that was organized mass murder. I recall a story (I believe it was from Browning's Ordinary Men) where Himmler himself was visibly shaken by the murder of a number of Jews in conquered Ukraine and resolved that "there has to be another way".
Taken in ... Read Ordinary Men and Hitlers Willing Executioners for two views of the same events based on the same sources. Reading the endnotes really gets interesting. I know whose interpretation I believe but both make some valid points and it would be difficult to find fault with their facts. The devil ... ... much higher.
Oh by the way, if any of you guys are interested in this stuff, I highly recommend Christopher Browning's Ordinary Men if you haven't read it yet. Great book which explains through the example of just one of the Einsatzgruppen how regular people were able to get sucked into ... ... Bystanders by Raul Hilberg (Like the tittle aleady says)
Nazi Germany and the Jews by Saul Friedländer
Ordinary men by Christopher Browning (perpetrators)
Hitler's Willing Executioners by Daniel jonah Goldhagen (perpetrators)
More specific
Neighbors: The Des ... Adding in to the "Why" discussion here, for the Holocaust, a great non-fiction read is Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning. Browning, a notable Holocaust historian, disagrees with the idea that everyday Germans agreed with Nazi ideals and thought that killing Jews was the right thing to do. Rat ... ... Based on Her Diary, 1785-1812 by Laurel T. Ulrich
21. Dead Certainties: Unwarranted Speculations by Simon Schama
22. Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher R. Browning
23. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocau ... I'd echo whoever suggested Ordinary Men by Christopher R. Browning how a bunch of not particularly Nazi policemen started out revolted by the Final Solution and mostly ended up as enthusiastic participants, not in the Death Camps but in the shootings which occurred behind the advancing German ... ... in a society, what 'ordinary people' can become, under the constraint of certain sociological conditions (see, for example, Ordinary Men or Hitler's Willing Executioners). It strikes me that knowing that Hitler had ordinary books, read ordinary things, etc makes it harder to see him as a non-hu ... ... Tale: The Life of Martha Ballard by Laurel T. Ulrich
Dead Certainties: Unwarranted Speculations by Simon Schama
Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher R. Browning
Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaus ... My picks were Ordinary Men and the Turner Diaries.
For Ordinary Men I have these tags:
introspection, evil in any person, Nazi, Poland, genocide
It was disturbing to me because of the first tag. It is very easy for people to judge other people in hindsight, and it can also be easy for ... I just thought of the most disturbing book I read before I read Ordinary Men.
It was The Turner Diaries by Andrew Macdonald.
... and The Fall of Berlin, books that cover special subjects like the Einsatzgruppen and their ilk (masters of death and Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101) and memoirs like Black Edelweiss, The Forgotten Soldier, and In Deadly Combat. Next up I figured I'd read up on the siege ...
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