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... thru A Tale of Two Cities and the longer works like Dombey and Son or Nicholas Nickelby and find them all very good. The Pickwick Papers sets the tone for so much of his work, that I know what to expect with long plot twists of characters who ome back and impact the main characters. All ... My five, in no particular order:
The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens
Persuasion by Jane Austen
The Eyre Affair by Jasper Fforde
A Handful of Earth by Barney Bardsley
A Good Year by Peter Mayle
Edited to fix touchstones.
... books respect in effect the importance of silence and not just talking on and on.......
I mean Charles Dickens and his Pickwick Papers has these characters and they are full of a lot of speeches. And it is obvious Dickens has fantastic facility with words, but after a while, I begin to ... ... I think but I might save it for later in a Dickensian odyssey, to be savoured when you are down with the Dickens.
The Pickwick Papers is a book of his I read too young and really feel I need to revisit soon as I am not sure I properly appreciated it. Although it is his first novel, a ... Gah. Someone seems to have combined The Pickwick Papers with Nicholas Nickleby. I've tried to fix it again, but could someone have a second look at it? ... has moved to the top of the list, now, even though I don't own it. I also want to read two I do own and haven't read: The Pickwick Papers and Our Mutual Friend.
Of the others--off the top of my head--these are ones I can highly recommend:
Great Expectations
David Copperfield (b ... Oddly, the only two Dickens novels they list are two I've never been able to finish (The Pickwick Papers and Martin Chuzzlewit). Why not Little Dorrit or Bleak House? From Audible:
The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens
Hard Times by Charles Dickens
The Hour I First Believed: A Novel by Wally Lamb Sketches by Boz (for book-length publications) or The Pickwick Papers (if you're only looking at his novels). But there's no way to sort chronologically in LT -- the best bet for most authors is to look for a link to their wikipedia page on the right side of the author page. ... pathos, and more than a touch of mystery.
To start with Dickens I don't think you can go wrong with his first novel, The Pickwick Papers.
David Copperfield is an excellent choice, as well.
Jeez, I think it would be easier telling someone new to Dickens where not to start. Or not. ... Just finished The Pickwick Papers and am now reading The Body on the Beach. >22
I was planning on reading The Pickwick Papers for the 100 book challenge next year but now I think I'll end the year with it. Still reading The Pickwick Papers and enjoying it immensely. I think my husband is getting fed up of me reading out passages which I find intensely amusing! I am just loving everything about it and it was a great choice to read for my last book of 2008. I've just finished Doctor Zhivago by Boris Pasternak which I thoroughly enjoyed, and have now started Pickwick Papers. I read Christmas Carol last Christmas but still fancied reading some Dickens over the holidays. ... grown up books.
Several fairly upbeat classics I can think of are:
Huckleberry Finn
Tom Sawyer
White Fang
Pickwick Papers
Catch-22
The Magnificent Ambersons
Of course with the exception of White Fang and Ambersons these work as upbeat by illustrating the essential ... ... even though I have as much interest in applied physics as I do with recreational herpetology.
And I'm still reading The Pickwick Papers. I'm doing it on a "One night, one chapter" basis and I'm making some progress. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to read books this way, but hey... Pr ... BBC Radio 7 is featuring an 8 part radio drama adaptation of Pickwick Papers, commencing 15 December 2008.
Scroll down to 'December' to click on selected episodes (which are only available for 7 days after airing).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fd0qw/episodes/2008
I've finally started Pickwick Papers! How can anyone read Dickens and not fall in love with language all over again? ... Great Expectations because I related to it, but different opinions make the world go round, I guess.
I'm done with Pickwick, which was a lot of fun if occasionally unbelievable. I'm now not exactly reading a Dickens book, but I am reading Dickens by Peter Ackroyd. It's good, but ... Oh, I adore Pickwick! One of my favorites (though I haven't read all of Dickens yet). Couldn't agree more; while this doesn't live up to his later work, The Pickwick Papers is definitely worth reading! ... to get to. However, I should probably read the TBR's in my library first: Little Dorrit, The Old Curiosity Shop and The Pickwick Papers.
Well, avaland, when you read 100 a year, a few months is a lot of books and thus long ago! Some of my reading has been influenced by yours, I ... I've looked at Pickwick Papers and Sketches by Boz and not found anything that looked as if it needed separating out. There were a few things in The Mystery Of Edwin Drood that shouldn't be there, and I've separated them. I've also done some combining for Drood.
I am currently enjoying The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens, read by various people again.
http://librivox.org/the-pickwick-papers-by-charles-dickens/
The first Dickens I have ever enjoyed, apart from A Christmas Carol, which I listened to on the podcast at www.theclassictales.com. It ... I was going to suggest The Pickwick Papers, Clarissa, or Tristram Shandy, but those are all long ones. Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is great but a pretty quick read. Death in Venice also seems to me to be too short to sustain in a reading group, although it is an incredible book.
... ... enjoy is John Barth. His Sotweed Factor was one of the funniest books I ever read, right up there with Catch-22 and The Pickwick Papers. Good plotting, solid characters, at least for the ones that count, and language that sounds neither phoned in (much of today's fiction) nor ...
1. Bleak House
2. Pride and Prejudice
3. Jane Eyre
4. The Pickwick Papers and it says much about the genius of Dickens that I can so love both his early riotous romp and his later, greater, masterpiece
5. Moby Dick A book I loathed for years and failed miserably to complete, ... I just started another book - The 39 Steps by John Buchan, and I will probably start The Pickwick Papers as soon as I finish The Wide Sargasso Sea. The Wide Sargasso Sea is taking me a bit longer than I intended, however, because I don't like the formatting (apparently it bothers me more than ... I'm currently reading The Pickwick Papers. I'm about half-way through. Many here find it to be their least favorite, which I can understand given the lack of a big, sweeping plot but it has some hilarious characters. Sam Weller left me cold on his first appearance but I think he's one of my ... Despite the rosy forecasts of The Pickwick Papers, The Old Curiosity Shop had fallen on Hard Times, forcing Little Dorrit to throw herself on the mercy of Our Mutual Friend. ... Action, City of God and Grapes of Wrath.
I'll try to read also Big Fisherman and maybe The Great Gatsby or The Pickwick Papers. Well, I'll have to put in the two I can't seem to finish: Pickwick Papers and Hard Times. The latter book lives up to its name! Eeek! Clearly I cannot finish reading The Pickwick Papers fast enough! (But who wants to speed through Dickens, am I right?)
... to these characters to enjoy them in the context of these books.
This series inspired me to read Jane Eyre, The Pickwick Papers and Alice in Wonderland just to name a few.
Now, have I missed some subtleties in these stories? I'm sure I have and will probably go back and ... ... Charles Dickens, or Alexander Dumas, the original historical fiction writer, are great places to start. Pick up The Pickwick Papers and The Three Musketeers (the latter in the new Richard Pevear translation) and enjoy carriage rides, false engagements, poisoned wine, and enough ... ... suggest a few:
The Tale of Genji - a nice short one :)
The Magic Mountain or Buddenbrooks
David Copperfield or Pickwick Papers
The Histories - something a bit different
Vanity Fair
The Brothers Karamazov or The Idiot
First Circle or Cancer Ward
... I need an Agatha Christie souffle or crepes a la Georgette Heyer. The classics I've found hardest to put down...probably Pickwick or Bleak House and the Pevear translation of Karamazov...although the latter seemed a bit crumbly as a novel and kept breaking up into a collection of sermons. ... ... most of the illustrations in these to the ones in the Nonesuch editions: John Austen's David Copperfield, Gordon Ross' Pickwick Papers, and especially Wray Manning's definitive illustrations for Martin Chuzzlewit--I would say his portrait of Mr. Pecksniff is the most nearly perfect Dickens ... I LOVE The Pickwick Papers. It's my personal favorite. It's like an adventure story for grown-up children, and the characters--Sam Weller and his Dad, especially--are fantastic. Although it doesn't address the sort of problems that later books would cover (money, courts, poverty, injustice, ... ... my least favorite Dickens so far. I just got so upset with David for marrying the wrong person!
I love Bleak House and The Pickwick Papers. And A Christmas Carol, of course! ... greatest works from The Norwegian Book Club (English editions): Bleak House, David Copperfield, A Christmas Carol, Pickwick Papers etc. ... in alphabetical order by title (I think that's how it's supposed to work) however, Great expectations is listed after The Pickwick papers. I know it's a small thing, but but I'd prefer that my LT catalog matches my actual shelf order. Am I wrong about how DDC numbers should be shelved, or ... My favorite is Tristram Shandy, but a close second is The Pickwick Papers. ... 4167729'>q.v.)
* Northanger Abbey (q.v.)
* The Pickwick Papers (q.v.)
... I've gotten more lax about that in recent years though, which I actually think is a good thing.
So far this year? Pickwick Papers has been officially abandoned, and I never intend to go back. Abroad: British Literary Travelling between the Wars has been on hold for a suspiciously ... ... ideas of my own when I took this book on. It was my second lesson that an "old" book could be funny. (The first was Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens). #39 Kplatypus:
Yep, I double checked with the tome itself, and Pickwick Papers is definitely not on the list. So you're totally off the hook for feeling you have to read this. There was an eleventh Charles Dickens book in the index, but it isn't on the list, so the total of Dickens on the 10 ... ... not on the 1001 list anyhow. How about one of Dickens' other books...? :)
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And I would have sworn that Pickwick Papers was on the list. Just when I thought I had the thing memorized. :-) According to Arukiyomi's Excel spreadsheet, there are 10 books by Dickens. Surprised ... ... since I started it as an audiobook and was rather disappointed when it started skipping and I had to quit partway through. Pickwick Papers has been returned to the library and is thus officially abandoned, thank heavens. I think that's it for now. ... the plot was less pointless than that of his other works, as far as I could tell.
My final attempt at the Dickens was The Pickwick Papers and my god, the horror. I'm a good 50 pages in and NOTHING has happened. Not really. A group of annoying older men have rambled semi-coherently, and ... ... appreciate them:
The Dubliners by James Joyce
The Death and Life of Great American Cities by Jane Jacobs
The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens (though I would not call this lovely in the least and may not return to it at all)
Abroad: British Literary Traveling between ... ... don't recommend David Copperfield; the middle drags and half the time I wanted to smack either Mr. Micawber or David :-P. Pickwick Papers is hilarious and probably a good introduction to Dickens. And of course there's A Tale of Two Cities and A Christmas Carol and so on... Still working on Dubliners from last month, and theoretically Pickwick Papers, though I think I'm going to bail on the latter. ... I haven't read anything of his (other than A Christmas Carol) for years. Guess I should whip out Barnaby Rudge or The Pickwick Papers (two that I never finished) and try again.
I've been reading a lot of fluff lately -- tearing through the Bloody Jack series, partly because my ... ... high school (I only remember the Havisham stuff) and Hard Times in college (I don't remember anything). I tried to read The Pickwick Papers once, but I couldn't get through it. I only picked it up because it was mentioned in Little Women.
I have less than 100 pages left in Little, Big. ... I've had Pickwick Papers, Clarissa, The 120 Days of Sodom, and Tristram Shandy out from the library for a year and a day, so I'm going to try to get through at least one of them before the NYPL makes me give them all back. Probably Pickwick Papers, since I suspect that the rest will take ... Pickwick Papers was too much for me. Perhaps after a few other Dickens I will come around. ... in opening a group to discuss gout and gout related literature? Seems to me one of the protagonists toward the end of Pickwick suffered seriously with gout. One of the treatments before modern medicine was to drink away the pain, which of course made it that much worse. ... Austen
4. The Death of Ivan Ilych by Leo Tolstoy
5. Nicholas Nickleby by Charles Dickens
6. The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens
7. The Illiad by Homer
8. Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe
2. First in a Series
1. Knots and Crosses (I ... While I love A Christmas Carol and will be doing the annual pre-Christmas reading again shortly, I've always loved The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club - that's one I wind up rereading a couple of times a year. A Tale of Two Cities (which, interestingly doesn't seem to have a ... ... Mr Bumble and Mrs Corney, Oliver Twist for me lacked the humour of other works like Nicholas Nickleby. I haven't read Pickwick Papers but I wonder if Dickens made a conscious effort to eliminate humour in his second novel. ... (advanced readers only) or Anthony Powell (much more readable). Dickens is immediately accessible: start with Pickwick and you'll get hooked. But to call Dickens "highly structured" -- well, Ken Kesey's novels are much more highly structured than Dickens's.
Go for it, guy! There' ... ... Family Chronicles which I enjoyed.
Did Read "Space" by James Michener
I agree with Polite_Society
about the Pickwick Papers a pure joy to read, along with most of Dickens ... have read each of them at least 100 times during my summers spent on their Illinois farm
My first "grown-up" book was Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens. I took this one up reluctantly after it was urged on me by my school teacher aunt. I was soon convulsed with laughter and became ... vpfluke, if you've never read Pickwick Papers, do so! You'll laugh your a$$ off and come away wishing there was such a Society extant today. Marvelous, memorable characters, plus a palatable (and utterly Dickensian) mid-section diatribe about "that ass," The Law.
# Believe it or not, I actually own The Pickwick Papers and didn't even know it. A 1944 International Collectors Edition (my wife bought in th 70's), but with a damaged binding, which declined further just now when I pulled it off the shelf. These look like linked stories. I vaguely remembering ... vpfluke If you want to experience a real classic that's fun to read try The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens. It's a real hoot and you will wonder if Dan Brown is even writing in the same language as Dickens. ... the apple is pretty shiny.
I read about a quarter of Tristram Shandy some years ago and thought it was as funny as Pickwick. I don't know why I gave up on it, but it is definitely on my TBR pile. I was a big fan of The Pickwick Papers because it was so much fun. Pickwick Papers got on my nerves. I wish it didn't. Perhaps it wasn't the best Dickens to start with. Two very different books set me to laughing at different stages in my life.
Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens, read while I was in junior high, showed me that classics could be fun.
More recently the nonfiction Gaborabilia by Anthony Turtu and Donald F. Reuter, which ... ... of the Mexican War from the Mexican perspective) and William Martin's The Lost Constitution. I'm currently reading The Pickwick Papers and Jasper Fforde's The Big Over Easy. I haven't picked my next non-fiction but it might be Arthur Cash's John Wilkes: The Scandalous Father ... ... I hope people won't mind too terribly much if I piggyback it onto this thread:
Does the 1985 BBC dramatization of The Pickwick Papers do justice to the book? Does it come close?
(I apologize again for being off-topic, but I'd value the input of this group's members.)
... or less given up looking for great-hearted contemporary fiction as an unprofitable investment of time. I'm midway through The Pickwick Papers and finding it laugh-out-loud funny, and I think there are still 4 or 5 books in the Dickens canon that I haven't read. Scanning through my library, ... ... the same as one that was read on Librivox. My guess is its the same as the preface you have, Urquhart.
Having not read Pickwick Papers I am naive to any influence its publication right before Nicholas Nickleby may have had on this story.
The information provided about Yorkshire schools ... ... named after Willie Mays. However, the cat I had when I was a child was named Pushkin. And my boyfriend's cat is named Pickwick. ... here it is so far (and please to ignore March, that still embarrasses me). Re-read books are starred:
January: 6
Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens
Eerie Indiana #2: Bureau of Lost by John Peel
I'm an English Major, Now What? by Tim Lemire
High Wizardry by Diane ... I loved Diary of a Nobody though I left it off my list. For humor you can't beat the Pickwick Papers.
... visiting my in-laws in Woodstock.
Anyway, on to the comment.
#5 & #7 The first Charles Dickens I ever read was The Pickwick Papers which I thought was funnier, page for page, than Catch-22. But my comment is really regarding Great Expectations. I love Pip's description of his ... I hear you, I've been reading the Pickwick Papers for over a month and slowly moving through it (it's good but, Oh so slow!), Elantris is the second book I've started in the middle of Pickwick, just couldn't wait until I finished. ... a good read, but it usually takes about 50 pages or so before I can really settle into his writing style. Has anyone read The Pickwick Papers before? It's looking like a long read, and I have so many other books waiting to be read... I know bmjaspers I starting The Pickwick Papers, and I completely loved A Tale of Two Cities, so I figured there might be some interest in the great and honorable Mr. Dickens.
By the way, if anyone else wants to start a topic or two for their interest(s), don't be shy! I am still trying to come to terms with The Pickwick Papers. My university supervisor was always trying to convince me it was the greatest thing Dickens ever wrote. I think it was the only thing we disagreed about. ... older books. My copy of The Portrait of a Lady has a copyright date of 1975 (Henry James died in 1916). My copy of The Pickwick Papers has a copyright of 1993.
... by Lawrence Durrell
The Tropic of Cancer by Henry Miller
The Cancer Ward by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens
This is a start, what about you?
I'm trying the Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens ... literature if we don't work full-time, or read very quickly, or spent our pre-teen years ploughing through Jane Eyre and The Pickwick Papers?
Good job we don't have animated smilies on these boards or I'd be inserting a specific one just >here<.
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