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The Prefect, Alastair Reynolds
Life, Gwyneth Jones (stupid touchstone doesn't work)
The Night Sessions, Ken MacLeod
Black Man, Richard Morgan
The Caryatids, Bruce Sterling
Kéthani, Eric Brown
Ilium, Dan Simmons
Black Man (AKA Thirteen) covers similar territory, is more recent, and does a better job of it. Richard Morgan's Thirteen (or Black Man if you're buying it in England). An SF noir/thriller. ... wreckage...
Dune was a casualty of the process, not the instigator.
{I have to edit because I just discovered that Black Man was published as Thirteen in North America so I did read it. } ... post.
The result was that all those authors write much longer books than the three mentioned in the first post. Morgan's Black Man is only a tad shorter than Dune his other work tends to be around the 400 page mark. Even Ian Douglas (who I haven't read and looking him up on Amazon that ... ... late-but thought I 'd add some series and authors I might recommend.
The Takashi Kovacs series by Richard K Morgan
Black Man also by Morgan
Neverwhereby Gaiman
Justina Robson's Quantum Gravity series (may appeal to those into "chicklit".
Octavia ButlerLillith's Broodser ... ... by Iain M. Banks (two of this old boy's faves) and, hmm, something more contemporary. How about Richard K. Morgan's BLACK MAN? That'll give you a taste of the power and possibility of good SF.
I love SF as a genre, despite my frequent complaints and references to fan-dumb. I really ... ... TBR pile. Oh wait - I do have a PDF of Accelerando as well.
Have you tried reading Richard Morgan's Black Man (AKA Thirteen)? #22 Not sure. Not read it . Only read his Altered Carbon and Black Man - altho I do own Broken Angels. (And The Steel Remains too.) Hi, at the risk of speaking out of turn I notice Black Man by Richard Morgan is listed twice so far and Thirteen by the same author once, I believe they are the same title, the Us edition coming out as Thirteen - I read the proof of the former but bought the latter (I liked the cover better... ... ... a few from my list because I've not reread them recently - or even read them at all in the case of River of Gods.
Black Man, Richard Morgan (read Mar 2008)
Light, M John Harrison (read Feb 2003)
The Execution Channel, Ken MacLeod (read Apr 2007)
Red Mars, Kim Stanley Robinson ( ... Black Man, Richard Morgan
Light, M John Harrison
The Execution Channel, Ken MacLeod
Red Mars, Kim Stanley Robinson
Life, Gwyneth Jones (stupid touchstone doesn't work)
Take Back Plenty, Colin Greenland
Voyage, Stephen Baxter
Kéthani, Eric Brown
River of Gods, Ian McDonald
... Just finished Black Man. I enjoyed it despite: the overall predictability in plot and characterization, after the extended hospital/death scene I didn't really care much about finishing the novel, and if one more character "pulled a face" I would have thrown the book into the fireplace (not to ... Finished BLACK MAN and thought it very good. The best Morgan I've read so far. Reading Richard Morgan's BLACK MAN and liking it quite a bit. Nasty in places...and I find the world-building (approximately 100 years hence) very believable. ... itself off as literary fiction. Anyway, I digress.
Looking at what I've read recently, I'd be inclined to put forward Black Man by Richard Morgan, and the Roumania books, which start with A Princess of Roumania, by Paul Park, as books which are SF and well written.
I'd also observe ... > 267
I must admit I am a huge fan of Simon Vance. I especially loved his reading of Market Forces and Black Man (US Title - "Thirteen"), both written by one of my favourite authors, Richard K. Morgan.
I currently have Morgan's The Steel Remains, also read by Vance, but while I love 'har ... ... But certainly most early work by British authors are overlooked for Hugo nominations. Not enough Americans read them. For Black Man his portrayal of some parts of a future US may also have hurt his nomination chances (it didn't appear in the top 15 nominations in 2008, which means less than 19 ... I just finished Woken Furies by Richard K. Morgan and now I am afraid of withdrawal symptoms since there are no more Takeshi Kovacs novels!!
Do you think we could strap Morgan to a gurney, feed him a hypnotic cocktail through an I.V. and hook him up to some of bobmcconnaughey's ... #273
Soldier on...
Coincidentally, I have just finished reading Thirteen and was quite impressed. Liked the discussion of nature versus nurture, the genetically re-created humans that died out before agriculture, and the ideas in the investigation. Oh, and I now consider myself a convert to ... ... think of his stuff as mindless, however - satirical, ironic, hard boiled, page turners..yah..but w/ a mind behind it. Black Man was released as Thirteen in the USA to avoid offending the publishing house's sensitivities.
*used advisedly.. Pretty much. He writes sf disguised as noir/thriller. Black Man is very good indeed. On Liberty went to Mississippi; Thirteen went to Brooklyn..all through BookMooch. Un Lun Dun went to an LT friend in Canada. Thirteen by Richard Morgan is off to Brooklyn, NY and The Dogs of Riga will be enroute to the UK today on Mooches. Thanks for all the lists. Unfortunately the one I really liked, I nominated last year -- Thirteen Black Man.
And the ones I have already read I either disliked:
City at the End of Time, Going Under, Matter, Spook Country
or found entertaining, but trivial:
Rolling Thunder, Impl ... ... Brown
Kethani by Eric Brown
The Wreck of the River of Stars by Michael Flynn
The Night Sessions by Ken McLeod
Black Man AKA Thirteen
Resistance by Owen Sheers
Anathem by Neal Stephenson
Off Armageddon Reef by David Weber
Hominids by Robert J. Sawyer (2)
Snow Crash by ... ... Brown
Kethani by Eric Brown
The Wreck of the River of Stars by Michael Flynn
The Night Sessions by Ken McLeod
Black Man AKA Thirteen
Resistance by Owen Sheers
Anathem by Neal Stephenson
Off Armageddon Road by David Weber
Hominids by Robert J. Sawyer (2)
Snow Crash by ... ... Thyme by Rosamunde Pilcher
No Great Mischief by Alistair MacLeod
Jacquot and the Waterman by Martin O'Brien
Black Man by Richard Morgan
The Hollow Hills by Mary Stewart
The Silver Branch by Rosemary Sutcliff ... -- (2)
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson -- (2)
Anathem by Neal Stephenson
A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (2)
Black Man aka Thirteen by Richard Morgan -- (2)
Cities in Flight by James Blish
The Day of the Triffids by John Wyndham (2) (that is, if I'm correct in interpreting ... Good point.
The following are all over 500 pages - The Wreck Of The River Of Stars, Anathem, Black Man, and A Fire Upon The Deep.
Anathem is only in hardcover which may be a mark against it.
The Night Sessions is only in hardcover at the moment. There is no US edition yet as far ... ... -- (2)
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson -- (2)
Anathem by Neal Stephenson
A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (2)
Black Man aka Thirteen by Richard Morgan -- (2)
This will be my last update (see explantion in note# 22), so someone else will have to take up the tracking and tallying.
... ... to be confused with the John Woo film). In any case, Morgan in an excellent recommendation to fit that hole. Though I'd put Black Man above Altered Carbon.
Literary-wise, I haven't read Coelestis (though I've had a copy sitting on my desk this past week; it's next to me as I type, even) ... ... -- (2)
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson -- (2)
Anathem by Neal Stephenson
A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge
Black Man aka Thirteen by Richard Morgan -- (2)
Geneg, how long are nominations open this time?
meant to suggest Richard Morgan's Black Man (outside the US) and titled "Thirteen" in the US. Currently reading: The Steel Remains, by Richard Morgan. I really enjoyed Black Man, so I thought I'd give this, his first fantasy, a try even though I'm not a big fantasy reader. I'm 150 pages in; first thoughts: cor, there's a lot of shagging, isn't there!
Waiting to be read: in a most ... Black Man, Richard K. Morgan
Take Back Plenty, Colin Greenland
Red Mars, Kim Stanley Robinson
Use of Weapons, Iain Banks
Life During Wartime, Lucius Shepard
The Time Ships, Stephen Baxter
The Second Angel, Philip Kerr
Life*, Gwyneth Jones
Somewh ... Sorry. Your wording read as though the book was first published in the US as Thirteen, and the title was changed for publication elsewhere. When it was in fact the other way round. Er, other way round: published in the US as Thirteen. The original title is Black Man in the UK, but his US publishers felt this was unsuitable for the US market. ... stand alone of his (that doesn't want to show up as a touchstone either as 13 or Thirteen..also published outside the US as Black Man i think. Future, noirish, thriller/mystery/human augmentation/dystopia. But mostly very well written and (unlike many in the noir-thriller genre - sci-fi or not) ...
My July books:
Borders
Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan
Lord of Bones by Justine Musk
The Seventh Sacrament by David Hewson
The Last Vampire by Patricia Rosemoor and Marc Poletti ... over the recent past. This is no bad thing - even didactic fiction should give pleasure and entertain. Take for example Black Man - although it seems a 'gun' book (seemingly written to satisfy adolescent firearms fantasies) on the surface it does also have quite a lot of social & political ... ... - some more than others. I think the result came down to which flaws the jury disliked most. I would have taken any of Black Man, Execution Channel, or The H-Bomb Girl as the winner.
I guess as Matthew De Abaitua gave interviews to online SF websites I guess there was quite a bit ... Was The Red Men published as sf? I've not read it - in fact, I've only read Black Man, The H-Bomb Girl and The Execution Channel from the shortlist. I've seen lots of positive reviews of The Carhullan Army, and mixed reviews of both The Raw Shark Texts and The Red Men.
Like you say, ... ... suggest that, by that measure, it self-identifies as sci-fi too.
I, for one, am happy, as right from the off I wanted Black Man to win. Of the other shortlist books, I haven't red the Red Men or the Raw Shark Texts, but I would've been unhappy had the H-Bomb Girl or the Execution Channel ... That'll make a lot of people happy. I thought Black Man was better than The Execution Channel, and they're the only two novels that self-identify as sf on the shortlist. The H-Bomb Girl does too, yes, but it's a YA book, and no matter how good a YA book is I don't think it belongs on the ... And the winner, not that anyone seems to have been terribly interested, is Black Man. ... Colony is not as good as Old Man's War or even The Android's Dream. Without In War Times or Richard K. Morgan's Black Man, the selection this year is reprehensible. Hmmm. I have Thirteen on my public library TBR list. I dunno, after reading kassetra's opinion, I think I'll put it aside for now. THere's other fish in the sea...8^} >16
The work I'd be interested to see when looking at the breakdowns after the awards is Black Man. That's the most surprising omission to my eyes. You might be right about this being Scalzi's year. Indeed, I might revise my earlier stated opinion slightly and say that this year may see Scalzi ... Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan musta been too edgy. The uber-male thing was a comment about the feminization of the modern Western world which is not exactly a popular area to speculate in. I have a feeling this book might crop up in gender studies somewhere down the line. My thoughts on Morgan's Black Man - http://justhastobeplausible.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-man-thirteen.html ... and an occasional over-calculatedness to the prose. But I think I'll give it a higher vote than Richard K. Morgan's Black Man or Ken MacLeod's The Execution Channel in the BSFA Awards next weekend. ... Carhullan Army by Sarah Hall
The Raw Shark Texts by Steven Hall
The Execution Channel by Ken MacLeod
Black Man by Richard Morgan
Fine selection. One obvious omission in the form of Brasyl. Very surprised to see The Raw Shark Texts, as while I've been aware of it since ... Try...
Brasyl, Ian McDonald
Black Man (AKA Thirteen), Richard K. Morgan
The Execution Channel, Ken MacLeod
Matter, Iain Banks
Helix, Eric Brown
The Prefect, Alastair Reynolds
The New Space Opera, edited by Gardner Dozois & Jonathan Strahan
... ... Google pointed me to some US author so I suspected I had the name wrong.
I'm currently reading Richard K. Morgan's Black Man. People whose opinion I respect have said it's an excellent novel, but I must admit I'm having trouble with its central premise. I've met Morgan several times, so ... ... the details ourselves. However touchstones on authors are still looking somewhat moribund. Morgan might work?
Maybe Black Man is the way to go? This gives Thirteen as a touchstone at least by the right author? Is this a dual titled work? They've been combined so I assume so?
edit ... thing when I read the comments above. It's now on the 60+ list of books to get from the library...
BTW - it's called Thirteen here in the US. ... have been shortlisted for the BSFA Award, to be handed out at the Eastercon:
Alice in Sunderland - Bryan Talbot
Black Man (AKA Thirteen) - Richard K. Morgan
Brasyl - Ian McDonald
The Prefect - Alastair Reynolds
The Execution Channel - Ken MacLeod
The Yiddi ... ... Bill Bryson, Neil Gaiman, Gene Wolfe, too many others to list (but they're all on my profile)
FAVORITE BOOK(s): Thirteen, American Gods, Memories of Ice, Iron Council
FAVORITE DRINK: Laphroaig
FAVORITE CHEESE: Pepper-jack
FAVOURITE SPELLING OF FAVORITE: "Favourite"
FAVORITE ... ... Betrayal in Winter (The Long Price Quartet) by Daniel Abraham
The Prefect (Gollancz) by Alastair Reynolds
Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan
The Sons of Heaven (The Company) by Kage Baker
The rest were very, very enjoyable, but I liked the first five better.
Rude ... Blindsight by Peter Watts.
Eifelheim by Michael Flynn.
Thirteen by Richard Morgan.
The Forever War by Joe Haldeman.
And one to argue over whether or not it's SF.
The Quiet Girl by Peter Hoeg. I say it's near future. Top 5 read this year:
Accelerando - Charles Stross
Thirteen - Richard K. Morgan
Market Forces - Richard K. Morgan
Woken Furies - Richard K. Morgan
River of Gods - Ian McDonald
Really happy to have discovered Morgan, as I'm sure you've guessed :) ... put you off as it is a rollicking good read. I think it definitely makes a good companion to The Execution Channel and Black Man ... ecommends/hugos07.html
does recommend The Prefect and Brasyl, but their big winner is The Last Colony. No mention of Black Man, which on further consideration is probably going to make my ballot. I'm with andyl on Brasyl, and throw in Black Man for me, too.
I am reading the second Lynch book now, and like the first appears to have serious stuctural flaws that make it definitely non-award worthy, to me. I'd rather read it over a recent McAuley 'future cop' sort of thing, but I wouldn't ... Just picked up Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan. This one not quite central to the novel but is important to the plot. Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan has the most nitty-gritty bizarre use of cryogenics ever written in a book. I read the preface again after reading the rest of the book and it's just chilling. Pun halfway intended. I'm about halfway thru Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan. I want to see if anyone else agrees with this. To me, Morgan is the most American-like of the UK writers. Somewhere along the line it seems as if he was hugely influenced by the classic American noir/hardboiled writers and pulls off that ... ... that have been translated. He's definitely worth checking out.
Richard K Morgan
- Market Forces - reviewed
- Thirteen - reviewed
13 1/2 Lives of Captain Bluebear - reviewed
Schott's Food and Drink Miscellany
You Suck: A Love Story
Beyond fear : thinking sensibly about ... Blue, I just picked up Thirteen by Richard K. Morgan which seems to be Black Man outside the US for some reason or other. I think I'll get to it this month. 544 pages so it won't be a super-quick read. ... I'm just carrying around while I actually read a novel.
When I finish The Amber Spyglass, I intend to start reading Thirteen, by Richard K. Morgan, hopefully tomorrow night.
Other books on the night side stand (ie, ones I've started reading, but not yet completed, or just like ... ... Bone Song - a fairly disappointing police procedural in a city with wraiths, zombies and magic.
Richard Morgan's Black Man (also known as Thirteen in the US) - a story of a genetically engineered hitman. It is intensely political - a story of dislike of the unlike (normally I would ... Talking of Richard Morgan I have his latest book Black Man which will be published next month in the US as Thirteen. Guess which title is winning out as the primary title :-( Personally I prefer the British title. It is a bit more in your face - which considering the main character of the ... ... for from Cold Tonnage and a second-hand book of Kaeti And Company on order from someone else. Oh and I have pre-ordered Black Man by Richard Morgan (it seems to have been delayed as I was sure it was due out last year).
Oh and my to buy list is about 450 books at the moment. Fortunate ...
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