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... A
Agnes Grey by Anne Bronte
American Gods by Neil Gaiman
Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen
Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov
B
The Belgariad by David Eddings
The Box: Uncanny Stories by Richard Matheson
The Demolished Man by Alfr ...
... 11/27/09
379. Less Than Zero by Bret Easton Ellis 11/27/09
380. The Mystery of a Turkish Bath by Rita 11/27/0
381. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov 11/28/09
382. The Lifted Veil by George Eliot 11/28/09
383. The Crow Road by Iain Banks 11/29/09
384. The Enchanted April by Eliza ...
381. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov 11/28/09
382. The Lifted Veil by George Eliot 11/28/09
383. The Crow Road by Iain Banks 11/29/09
384. The Enchanted April by Elizabeth von Arnim 11/30/09
385. First Apology of Justin Martyr by Justin Martyr 11/30/09
386. Maggie: A Girl of the St ...
I added several Isaac Asimov Foundation books:
Second Foundation
Foundation's Edge
Foundation and Earth
Forward the Foundation
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... but lacks reread value. The story uses a gimmick that is very recognizable even after years between reads.
Book 55
Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Good book, nothing special to say about it.
It could be Foundation (1951) and Foundation and Empire (1952) although Second Foundation wasn't until 1953.
RAH and the Good Doctor did have the occasional public spat!
I'm working on an Isaac Asimov omnibus edition with Foundation, Foundation and Empire, Second Foundation , The Stars, Like Dust, The Naked Sun, and I, Robot. As busy as I am at work, it'll probably still be the answer to next week's "What are you reading the week of..."
... put it in the TBR pile after reading an online biography of Wilkie Collins from the DNB.
My review of Isaac Asimov's Second Foundation :
The last in the original Foundation trilogy, this tells how the Mule tries to find the Second Foundation and then how the Second Foundation ...
I bought Foundation and Foundation and Empire in a sale, but I haven't seen the third one in the trilogy Second Foundation here, so I've bought it as an ebook, which of course doesn't affect the TBR pile.
My review of "Foundation and Empire":
The Foundation comes up against the ...
... only things I could come up with for the male author/superhuman female protagonist topic was Arkady Darell from Asimov's Second Foundation and Friday from Heinlein's Friday. She's more of a super-spy, I don't know if that counts.
#151: Dk_Phoenix, if you look closely at the cover of Ins ...
... I think it still holds up well as a story of alien contact and of a person. That said, I would still be likely to recommend Foundation to a 13 year-old because I think it would open up their thinking the same way it did mine at that age.
... This is where SF started, this is what it passed through and this is where it it's currently at.
A few I'd include:
Foundation by Asimov
Dune by Herbert
city by Simak
Cyteen by Cherryh
Foreigner cherryh
chanur saga by cherryh
revelation space by Reynolds
sam gunn by B ...
#158 I know why books such as Foundation continue to be held up as classics: most sf fans wouldn't know a good book if it jumped up and smacked them in the face. This thread only proves my point.
... endure because something about them has spoken to generation after generation of people who have picked up the books. Foundation , The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress , Rendezvous with Rama , Fahrenheit 451 and so on don't stay on bookstore shelves and get reprinted a ...
... group with a tradition of keeping and treasuring books. Third, sf fandom is dominated by its older members, ones who read Foundation at a young(-ish) age. Fourth, sf fandom holds the originators and popular writers of the genre in high esteem, an esteem out of all proportion to their actual ...
... a book for the list, they may not believe it to be a crap book, but actually one with merit. That so many actually do think Foundation for instance as worthy, seems to me to suggest that others find what you consider crap to be the height of science fiction. Your tastes may run counter to a much ...
... would necessarily recommend, as I commented before depending on who is doing the asking, depends on what i would recommend. Foundation however, and works by Piper, and Ender's War and Lest Darkness Fall are all on the list of what i would recommend.
What I have noticed is that the list ...
Yes! I put in the title without thinking. Book much better than the movie.
Thank you DW.
PS. I'm for Foundation being on the list.
... expect others to behave as thirteen year olds. No one is ever going to change their mind about sf if they keep on getting Foundation and The Skylark of Space shoved in their face.
It's disheartening to see that my complaints of last August are still true.
... suited to the nonfiction works he authored, but that's beside the point).
It is more than people simply offering Foundation to new readers that results in the book popping up on these lists over and over again. If it was truly awful and didn't resonate with readers even today, ...
#28 So a popularity contest is won by... the popular books. Big surprise. And really, Foundation ? Great if you're a 12-year-old. But come on, Asimov's prose has all the grace and charm of a pregnant guppy, every universe he used in his books was 1950s America with extra gizmos, he didn't do ...
... to a new reader of the genre.
2) List a single book or a series as one entry, but please don't list both (e.g., the Foundation series or Second Foundation, not both).
3) After 100 posts or so, assuming that many, I'll tabulate the results to see what gets the most votes and whether ...
... known as "classics" because sf fans hang onto them when they should have long since put away childish things. Books such as Foundation , Rendezvous with Rama, Stranger in a Strange Land, etc., I loved when I read as a young teenager. Now I find them almost unreadable. As Terry Pratchett once ...
... Guns, Germs, and Steel and Before the Dawn.
For me, I would try a pre-age 21 list. I’d have to name Asimov’s Foundation trilogy (despite its being virtually unreadable as an adult, and when it was merely a trilogy), and his The End of Eternity, which do bear on history, however ...
... being the earliest book, but I think they can be read in any order you so please.
Thanks for the advice on the Foundation trilogy. I like series generally, but not ones that are 25 books long :P
I understand completely! I was just about to take on Asimov's Foundation series when it was pointed out to me it's actually part of a much larger series consisting of 25 books or so. Gulp. I have since pushed that farther down on the TBR list because that's a bit too big to take on right now.
...
I , Robot
Pebble In The Sky
The Stars, Like Dust
Foundation
The Currents Of Space
Foundation And Empire
Second Foundation
The Caves Of Steel
The Naked Sun
The Complete Robot
Foundation's Edge
The Robots Of Dawn
Robots And Empire
Robot Dreams
Foundation A ...
How are you enjoying the Alvin Maker series so far? I plan on starting Asimov's Foundation series after I finish a few library books, but perhaps I'll read Alvin Maker afterwards...
... Si j'excepte le Perry Rhodan qui a enchanté ma jeunesse jusque très tard (la nuit...), je ne crois pas que le cycle de Fondation puisse êre considéré comme une série ni la culture de Iain Banks.
Les séries de fantasy auxquelles je me suis essayé (quasi par devoir :-) ) m'ont ...
... Amazon, on BookMooch, on half.com, and on other sites.
For all the bashing of Asimov (to take one example), the Foundation series and the robot books are still fun to read, in my opinion, and are suitable for young readers because they don't contain a lot of sex, violence, or ...
... to Berlin - Christopher Isherwood
29. Animal Farm - George Orwell
30. Nineteen Eighty-Four - George Orwell
31. Foundation - Isaac Asimov
32. The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger
33. The Old Man and the Sea - Earnest Hemingway
34. Lod of the Flies - William Golding
35. Th ...
... to Berlin - Christopher Isherwood
29. Animal Farm - George Orwell
30. Nineteen Eighty-Four - George Orwell
31. Foundation - Isaac Asimov
32. The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger
33. The Old Man and the Sea - Earnest Hemingway
34. Lod of the Flies - William Golding
35. Th ...
... to Berlin - Christopher Isherwood
29. Animal Farm - George Orwell
30. Nineteen Eighty-Four - George Orwell
31. Foundation - Isaac Asimov
32. The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger
33. The Old Man and the Sea - Earnest Hemingway
34. Lord of the Flies - William Golding
35. T ...
I'm just finishing up The Dispossessed by Ursula K. LeGuin and then plan to tackle Asimov's Foundation series. That'll be my March project.
... similar moments such as the Mule, whom I also thought of as Napoleon, but these are codified elsewhere and not in Gibbons. Foundation is the history of man replayed in the telling.
#29 It's been mooted many times that, in Foundation , Asimov was re-visiting the crumbling, fall and re-emergence of world-girdling empires (Roman to W. European).
After Spain, the loci this influence quickly moved north and had to include France's First Citizen who crowned himself emperor of E ...
... favorite authors no less. Who are yours? Oh, that's right, you haven't listed any in your joke of a profile). I think that Foundation is one of the seminal works of the science fiction genre, and a great book. I believe that iansales does not share this opinion with me. I am not concerned by ...
... are also held in high esteem. Likewise Ringworld. Admittedly, the veneration for them isn't as inexplicable as it is for Foundation or Second Stage Lensman, but still...
What?! Nooo! Foundation rubbish? Prepare to be lynched... I once had the temerity to say the same, and the backlash was terrible to behold...
14 > wouldn't The Foundation series fill that?
... by A Bester
Kiln people by D Brin
Earth Ditto
So many more.
Eon by G bear
Cities in flight by J Blish
Foundation by I Asimov (1 of lots)
Postman by D brin
Babel -17 by S Delany
The real story S donaldson (1 of 5)
Jerusalem fire by RM Meluch
Ringworld by L ...
... a chance to make up some reading time.
Anyway, here goes the list:
1. Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov
2. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov
3. The Invention of Hugo Cabret by Brian Selznick
4. To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis
5. Naked by David Sedaris *re-read ...
... he writes The fountains of Paradise and talking about a Space Elevator is Science Fiction, but then Asimov talking about Foundation I find more about using history (Psycho-History) to discuss what we will go through as empires wane and grow in the future so not Science Fiction by what you ...
... J. R. R. Tolkein
66. Lord of the Flies William Golding
67. Day of the Triffids John Wyndham
68. Foundation Isaac Asimov
69. A Town Like Alice Nevil Shute
70. I, Robot Isaac Asimov
71. Nineteen Eighty Four George Orwell
72. The Plague ...
... one will stay with me for long. Full review here .
Foundation by Mercedes Lackey - I stuck this on - you guessed it - my By Mercedes Lackey list, in the place of Tiger Burning Bright. It definitely wasn't one of her ...
... Build Your Own Spaceship by Piers Bizony
53. Foundation by Isaac Asimov
54. Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov
55. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov
56. The Tao Of Pooh by Benjamin Hoff
57. Zombie Haiku by Ryan Mecum
58. The Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks
59. World War Z ...
Okay, here's my list of favorites, mostly authors I've read and continue to read:
Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Journey to the Centre of the Earth by Jules Verne
Dune by Frank Herbert
Little Fuzzy by H. Beam Piper
The Midwich Cuckoos by John Wyndham
Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven ...
... you like mysteries; there are lots of other series, e.g., the Spenser novels by Robert B. Parker.
Try Isaac Asimov--the Foundation series or the I, Robot stories. For fantasy, I'm a fan of both Anne McCaffrey and Mercedes Lackey, though for the story and characters rather than the writing. ...
... of time, a copy of End of Eternity is already on its way, so would probably finish it before I start with I, Robot and Foundation . Once I am done with either The Rest of the Robots or Second Foundation, will contact you again for further reading list.
Suslyn
Is Pebble in the Sky ...
... is a standalone, not part of either the Foundation or Robots series.
ETA: My advice:
1) Read I, Robot
2) Read Foundation
3) Decide which you liked better and then read either:
  1a) The Rest of the Robots or
  2a) Foundation and Empire and Second Foundatio ...
... some Pratchett...concepts now come out in capitals).
Therefore, I recommend the first three of his Foundation books (Foundation , Foundation and Empire, Second Foundation) and the early Robot books (I, Robot, The Rest of the Robots), but I wouldn't start Robots and Empire 'cause ...
... Charles de Lint {9/6}
14. Foundation by Isaac Asimov {11/15}
15. Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov {11/20}
16. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov {11/28}
17. The Crow Road by Iain Banks {11/29}
18. We by Yevgeny Zamyatin {12/4}
... es?
Of course not. Author intent has everything to do with it. How many special edition/stand alone versions of Dune or Foundation have been published? Yet nobody says that those books should be removed from their series.
There are many romance series here on LT where a publisher printed ...
... *re-read
74. Sea of Silver Light by Tad Williams *re-read
75. The Tales of Beedle the Bard by J.K. Rowling
76. Foundation by Isaac Asimov
76 total, with 41 re-reads and 35 new books read in 2008.
... actually being in the middle of any of them at the moment.
Lined up:
Temple of the Golden Pavillion by Yukio Mishima
Foundation by Mercedes Lackey
Bad Habits by Cristy Road
Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell (this is probably the one I'm going to grab first)
Nowtopia ...
...
Picked up copies of a Separate Reality by castaneda {used} Dune House Atreides {new paperback} and the last Foundation book after Asimov's death {used hardback} for $.25 each at the library.
... (still one of my all-time favorites, though I'm not as fond of the many sequels); I, Robot by Asimov, or his terrific Foundation series; or one of my favorite authors, C.J. Cherryh, whose Foreigner series concerns humans stranded on an alien planet and having to deal with the native ...
... McCaffery. The Farseer trilogy and the Tawny Man series by Robin Hobb and for the classics the Empire and Foundation series by Issac Asimov.
... for someone just getting started.
In the sci-fi genre, there may be some tendency today to look down on Asimov, but the Foundation trilogy and The End of Eternity should definitely be included.
And certainly I'd include an anthology of Edgar Allan Poe.
To an extent I've got to ...
Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Green Darkness by Anya Seton
Hard Eight by Janet Evanovich
I The Jury by Mickey Spillane
Jude the Obscure by Thomas Hardy
...
Films
1. Blade Runner
2. 2001: A Space Odyssey
3. Serenity
4. Forbidden Planet
5. The Matrix
Books
1. Dune
2. Foundation series
3. The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
4. Ender's Game
5. Hyperion series
Things worth noting:-
- it takes a lot to dislodge the old crap ...
... to just the sf/f I've bought
A Lion Among Men by Gregory Maguire
All the Windwracked Stars by Elizabeth Bear
Foundation by Mercedes Lackey
Also a bunch of stuff at the library sale and the new Spenser novel.
...
Without Reservations by Alice Steinbach
Fortune's Bride by (something) Gellis
Michael Strogoff by Jules Verne
Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov
Run, Baby, Run by Nicky Cruz
Salvation: The Bible and Roman Catholicism by William Webster
...
... Philip Pullman. I also noticed 2 Isaac Asimov books on the 1001 Books You Should Read Before you die list, so I picked up Foundation and I, Robot. I haven't read Isaac Asimov since high school and thought that's been too long.
I got them all with trade and sixty-five cents from my favorite ...
... SG genre. I've never heard of it before and it's got very mixed reviews here on LT. Is it really comparible to Dune or Foundation as a key classic of the genre?
... read. It really is. Of the the list of SF books that are endlessly, endlessly, glowingly endorsed -Ender's Game, Armor, The Foundation -it is the one that really pays a return on investment. That it's prose is spotty shouldn't be a surprise, and definitely shouldn't be a deterrent. It's a ...
That'd be sort of like people who say Foundation is a good book, then. (joke)
Krakatoa by Simon Winchester
Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Beowolf
Ivanhoe by Sir Walter Scott
Witness by Whittaker Chambers
... be much better written than Asimov's own stories) they weren't as popular and used copies are pricey!
I didn't read the Foundation follow-ups, because even though I don't mind share-cropped novels (and Asimov's in particular were several cuts above the usual dreck) I do like for one writer ...
43. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov -09/11/2008
44. Dead until Dark by Charlaine Harris - 09/14/2008
45. Living Dead in Dallas - 09/15/08 (yes read in one day)
My most re-read include:
Wyndham - all
Bujold - all
Asimov - the Foundation series
Card - only Ender, Pastwatch and Enchantment (although I guess Enchantment would count as Fantasy)
And Artemis Fowl if that counts as Sci-Fi
My most re-read include:
Wyndham - all
Bujold - all
Asimov - the Foundation series
Card - only Ender, Pastwatch and Enchantment (although I guess Enchantment would count as Fantasy)
And Artemis Fowl if that counts as Sci-Fi
19. Foundation and Empire by Isaac Asimov
20. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Pace = 26.8 books / year (8734 pages / year)
I just saw that someone added McSweeney's 28 to their library, so I guess I'm going to start on McSweeney's 27.
... And the more "proficient" the creater, the more "good" their output.
It doesn't matter how much a person enjoyed Foundation , Asimov's command of the English language does not match that of, say, Lawrence Durrell or John Fowles, by any criteria.
OTOH, I'd agree that Asimov ...
... justjim indicated where the "First words" were coming from (prologue, headnote, etc.), and gave each its own entry in the Second Foundation example noted above.
I'm not hot on the Second Foundation first and last words.
I think the use of multiples for Prologue, Head Note, and text is an abuse of the feature.
Secondly they aren't particularly good first/last words - no one is going to be trotting them out like they do the first words of 1984 or N ...
... and ROBOT. I haven't read anything else by Harrison is ti all YA?
I Robot by Asimov would have been another, and the Foundation series also.
I would have though that the market for stories about spaceships / lasers and robots would have been huge in the YA sector - especially after ...
... Card
Rainbow’s End : Vernor Vinge
The Parafaith War : L. E. Modesitt
The Day of the Triffids : John Wyndham
Foundation : Isaac Asimov
Fahrenheit 451 : Ray Bradbury
2001: A Space Odyssey : Arthur C. Clarke
Dune : Frank Herbert
Tikkun : Gil Ilutovich
The Invincible : ...
... start. If there was a spin off it would have a different name.
Now that was just a very bad example to give. Maybe the Foundation or Dune or Pern would have been better since they get complicated or even Narnia
When I did my Access Database I put a field for series and used the ...
In my ca. 1965 omnibus Foundation Trilogy ( SFBC , of course), Foundation has five parts: "The Psychohistorians", "The Encyclopedists", "The Mayors", "The Traders", and "The Merchant Princes". My recollection of my very thin paperback 1,000 Ye ...
Foundation by Isaac Asimov
Mason and Dixon by Thomas Pynchon
Carpenter's gothic by William Gaddis
Raise high the roof-beam, carpenter by J.D. Salinger
...and of course we need
The master builder by Henrik Ibsen
... "1000 Year Plan" paperback; however, it's not where I can access it. My memory is that it is an abridged version of Foundation . It's certainly some version of Foundation , but maybe not the entire book. Very thin book, I recall.
I don't generally follow this group (maybe I should) ...
... could never get into any of the sequels.
Alas Babylon and Mr. Adam by Pat Frank I've read a few times, along with The Foundation and The Empire Novels by Isaac Asimov.
And last but not least The forever War by Joe Haldeman.
... watching the recent version of it on film. Initially I read it before having seen either film. Someday maybe Dune or Foundation trilogy.
Ooops, that's 8. There are lots of books I'm still wanting to read for the first time though.
13. McSweeney's 26
14. Foundation by Isaac Asimov
15. The Polysyllabic Spree by Nick Hornby
Unsurprisingly, the trip to Japan proved pretty good for reading. Those plane flights were awful, but the trip overall was excellent.
Updating my calculations, I'm now on pace for 32.10 ...
7. Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov - finished 2/3/08 - Not bad, but not my favorite of the trilogy.
... are always welcome. Here's what I have thus far:
A. Science Fiction/Fantasy
1. Dune by Frank Herbert
2. Foundation by Isaac Asimov *
3. A Wizard of Earthsea, Ursula K. Le Guin *
4. Childhood's End, Arthur C. Clarke *
5. I Am Legend, Richard Matheson *
6. Tales from ...
... Needle
Walter M. Miller Jr.'s A Canticle for Leibowitz
Isaac Asimov's Foundation, Foundation and Empire, Second Foundation
Bernard Wolfe's Limbo
... card) when I was probably seven or eight. I also remember my mother driving me all over Ohio looking for Asimov's Second Foundation . I read the first two from the library and couldn't wait for them to get the last volume. I know I bought a lot of paperbacks from Scholastic and Pocket ...
...
Starship Troopers (lots of hard science, too)
Stranger In a Strange Land
The Dispossessed
anything by Cherryh
Foundation
The main themes of all these are religion/history/politics. With rivets.
I've also noticed that all of these are also considered extremely controversial.. ...
>76 Cliff, have you ever tried The Gods Themselves? I slogged through the Foundation series too, but the latter was, IMHO, pretty damn good.
And Jack Vance WAS Ellery Queen, for four or five novels at least....*smirk*.
... the Science Fiction Book Club in 1970 I got the Science Fiction Hall of Fame, A Treasury Of Great Science Fiction and The Foundation Trilogy , all for 10 cents. Oh yeah, and I remember lots of Edgar Rice Burroughs--the Martian series; and The World Inside by Robert Silverberg (tho ...
... reread A Wrinkle in Time, or tackle any of the others in the same series. I'd be leery of anything by Asimov, (Foundation really put me off him), but I might give it a go if I could find a copy at the library and if it were short enough. I don't think I'd mind a reread of Dune; ...
... nonexistent, but later there is a thing about POW's being marched naked (quite a bit).
As far as Asimov, I think the Foundation series is pretty safe but the books with Elijah Baley, have more explicate stuff, especially Robots of Dawn basically has an entire hedonistic planet. None of ...
... read most of my Enid Blyton books too many times to mention when I was a kid. The books I read most as a teenager were Alle nennen mich Pony (sorry wrong touchsstone and I can't find the right one among the 350 "others") and Die Rote Zora.
I'm not much of a re-reader nowadays because, as ...
Towards Zero
As One Dead
A Tale of Two Cities or Second Foundation
Three Musketeers
Big Four
The Quintessential World of Darkness
Rainbow Six
The Seven Deadlies or The Seventh Gate
And Then There Were None aka ten little indians
A Dozen Black Roses
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