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The City & the City by China Miéville
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The City & the City (2009)

by China Miéville

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    The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon (grizzly.anderson, kaipakartik)
    grizzly.anderson: Both are police procedural mysteries set in slightly alternate worlds.
    kaipakartik: Both are detective tales in alternate settings
  2. 101
    Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino (snarkhunt)
    snarkhunt: Calvino's book is a travelogue of impossible societies while China's book is a sweet little noir stuck in the middle of one.
  3. 70
    Anathem by Neal Stephenson (chmod007)
    chmod007: Both novels depict coexisting-but-dissociated societies — drastically foreign to the world we live in — but help us reflect on it.
  4. 71
    Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman (ahstrick)
  5. 50
    Orsinian Tales by Ursula K. Le Guin (ed.pendragon)
    ed.pendragon: Le Guin's Orsinia may have been an inspiration for Mieville's mythical Orciny in The City and the City.
  6. 40
    Finch by Jeff VanderMeer (ShelfMonkey)
  7. 40
    Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius by Jorge Luis Borges (bertilak)
  8. 30
    Hav by Jan Morris (ed.pendragon)
    ed.pendragon: Miéville's The City and the City acknowledges Jan Morris as an influence on his fractured cities novel, and Morris' travel book novel Hav (fictional trips to a fictional state) is the most likely reference.
  9. 30
    Un Lun Dun by China Miéville (heidialice)
    heidialice: May be an obvious recommendation, but these books cover a similar (very original) premise in very different ways. Un Lun Dun is for young teens, smaller in scope and message-heavy; The City & The City for adults, deals with complex themes and offers no easy answers. Both display Mieville's consummate skills and elegant humor.… (more)
  10. 20
    The Other City by Michal Ajvaz (bunnygirl)
    bunnygirl: Czech novel about an alternate Prague; not mentioned as one of the influences for this novel, but perhaps going on a bit of the same (disputed?) territory
  11. 31
    Wave without a shore by C. J. Cherryh (reading_fox)
    reading_fox: Covers the same ground regarding visualising concepts.
  12. 20
    A Maze of Death by Philip K. Dick (AlanPoulter)
    AlanPoulter: Two tales of paranoia and murder set in very odd worlds that just get stranger....
  13. 20
    The New York Trilogy by Paul Auster (Longshanks)
    Longshanks: Two books that expand the scope of detective fiction beyond the genre's traditional concerns and constraints, one existentially and one sociopolitically.
  14. 10
    Ways of Worldmaking by Nelson Goodman (sek_smith, sek_smith)
    sek_smith: Ways of World Making explains the cognitive processes that allow us to unsee and,thus, understand. The City & the City is a practical application of the concept, most rigorous and well weaved. Very entertaining fiction with plenty of meaning
    sek_smith: This is not a fiction book, but an essay on relativity applied to epistemology. For many interested in the psychological mechanisms at work in The city & the City, this is a good read.
  15. 10
    Zoo City by Lauren Beukes (Jannes)
    Jannes: Two noir-ish thrillers with (vaguely) supernatural themes. Centered around sort-of-contemporary, yet fantastical urban landscapes. Both are very unique, and feels alike even if there's not many superficial similarities. More to the point, they're both damn good reading.… (more)
  16. 10
    Embassytown by China Miéville (Anonymous user)
  17. 10
    The Manual of Detection by Jedediah Berry (ShelfMonkey)
  18. 00
    Night Watch by Sergei Lukyanenko (julienne_preacher)
    julienne_preacher: Both books are about divided realities (and both books are awesome).
  19. 00
    Soft City by Jonathan Raban (sek_smith)
  20. 00
    The Kindly Ones by Melissa Scott (sandstone78)
    sandstone78: Similar themes of parallel societies.

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It's a mystery, so I was biased against it from the start, but it had enough quirks and weirdness to keep me interested all the way through. Even so it's my least favorite Miéville so far. The present-day eastern european setting brings something different to the genre and it works well for me. (Btw, is it scifi or fantasy, I'm not quite sure?) ( )
  pan0ramix | Nov 25, 2014 |
Just lovely. This is my second Mieville, and I do enjoy his brand of weird. A gritty detective story set in Eastern Europe, but in a city that is twinned with another city sharing the same space. The City and the City overlap, but are foreign countries, and unauthorised cross-over, or even acknowledgment of the other city, is punishable by extreme measures. Then a girl is murdered and hijinx ensue! (By hijinx, in this case I mean detective work, cursing, and further murders... and of course, unauthorised crossings between cities). ( )
  evilmoose | Sep 15, 2014 |
I've learned China Mieville is quite the fantasy fiction author, written such works as Perdido Street Station, the Scar and Iron Council, although I'm unfamiliar with these works. I found that he wrote The City and The City, which tied with a Hugo award for 2010 with The Windup Girl, by Paolo Bacigalupi.

The City and The City was a tough read! Seems that Mieville was going for an old-fashioned Dashiell Hammett-style detective novel but it does not quite pan out for me. And this is not even a science fiction novel, really. It takes place in the near future, complete with cell phones and modern politics in an unnamed area of Europe (Hungary/Romania area perhaps?)

Mievielle goes to great pains to describe the two cities as neighbors yet not neighbors. That have rules that one city cannot recognize the other city purposely. To become involved in the other city is a crime. You will be taken by the unknown agents of Breach and be shuffled off to some unnamed area, never to be seen again. To Breach is nearly a death sentence.

To not recognize something belonging to Bezil or Uo Quoma (the two "cities") you need to "unsee" or "unhear" these. I thought this odd use of verbs was quite interesting. Obviously you see something, but to "unsee" it you do not even recognize its existence. We do this all the time with the mailman, the plumber and others in the street, but to do it purposely without thought is quite interesting.

With these parameters in place, how do you solve a murder mystery that happens in one city, but the perpetrators occur in the other? Quite a problem!

Inspector Burlu is quite a character. Mieville pumps him up as almost a Bogart-type character with the wit and the will to solve this crime. As I've read in other mystery books, we have the main character who narrates for us, who knows what's going on better than others and so on. But there the cliché ends. Burlu has his "Dr. Watson" in the foul-mouthed Corwi ("What the f*ck boss?") who I thought was the most interesting character in the whole book.

Burlu's counterpart is the equally foul-mouthed Dhatt. He's with the Ul Quoma police (or militsia) and though he resents it terribly, goes along with Dhatt. Both Corwi and Dhatt support Burlu as he discovers the murdered girl may have been in a conspiracy to unify the cities and to discover the mythical city Orciny, which may or may not exist.

Who would be motivated to silence her and why? And if you discover Orciny, did you just sign your own death warrant?

Mieville's writing is hard to get. He uses so many foreign-created names that they're hard to follow. There are no Bills or Susans. There are only Khurusch, Corwi and Shenvoi. Hard to keep in mind who is who at times, too. I've always considered myself having a decent vocabulary, but spent more time than I should in a dictionary. Not that there's anything wrong with looking up words, but the five dollar concatenation of words was just a bit much!

I can recommend this book as an analogy to how cities and how people perceive themselves. The interesting manner in which the citizens avoid "Breach" and how the murderer takes advantage of these to get away with murder is quite compelling.

However the style and substance is tough to get through.

Time to check out The Windup Girl. Hopefully it's an improvement!


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  jmourgos | Sep 12, 2014 |
I wanted to love this. The central premise is absolutely unique and wonderful, and the "world-bullding" Mieville does to bring it to us is superb. He can also write prose that sings, not thuds - when he chooses. But the police procedural plot was so tired that even setting it in this marvelous context couldn't enliven it. And the dialogue was dreadful - every character sounding alike, as if they were all from southeast London instead of his imaginary middle European world. Worse, it was mostly filler - the characters expressing shock and anger at stuff we already knew, recapping, way too much recapping. They were barely individuated - and yet their particular lives could have been used to reveal more to us about their world. The book was rescued by the ending, where at last the deeper social and philosophical questions raised by this whole conceit were allowed, briefly, to emerge. Pynchon and Roberto Bolano have shown how you can truly transform the gumshoe genre into literary art. Mieville's not quite in that class, sadly. ( )
  CSRodgers | Jul 29, 2014 |
Beszel and Ul Qoma are twin cities. Beszel is a decaying former communist city similar to Sofia or Bucharest; Ul Qoma is a secular Islamic city similar to Istanbul, which has recently undergone an economic revival. The residents of the two cities have different cultures, languages, ethnic attributes and politics. They are not twin cities in the sense that they neighbour each other: they occupy the same physical space, with citizens learning from birth to “unsee” those buildings and citizens which are not a part of their world. The City and the City is a detective novel taking place within this strange world, in which a resident of Ul Qoma is found dead in Beszel, meaning that either she or her killer committed the gravest crime possible: that of “breach,” unauthorised passage between the two cities. The case develops further unsettling implications when the protagonist, investigating detective Inspector Borlu, receives a phone call with information from Ul Qoma – not an act of breach, because it’s properly routed through international lines, but problematic because the informant claims to have seen a poster of the murder victim that Borlu put up in Beszel.

Cities have always been at the heart of China Mieville’s work, but it’s safe to say that Beszel and Ul Qoma are his boldest and most creative fictional cities yet. The concept, which seems so implausible as to be unworkable even as a fantasy concept, is made real and convincing through Mieville’s details. Beszel and Ul Qoma exist in the modern day, in real Europe: Beszel has connecting flights to Athens and Budapest, the US government has a trade embargo on Ul Qoma, Chuck Palahniuk wrote a novel set in the cities, Inspector Borlu once attended a policing conference called “Policing Split Cities” which dealt with Berlin, Jerusalem, and Beszel and Ul Qoma. (“Totally missing the point,” he says.)

The concept of “unseeing” – of studiously avoiding looking at citizens of the other city, of pretending you do not see them – seems ridiculous, but it does not hold perfectly. “Breach” is the name of both the act of breaking this legal and moral code, and the name of the powerful (and possibly inhuman) agency which punishes such errors. Besz and Ul Qomans alike view Breach with fear and awe, and by the culmination of the novel, so does the reader – leading to a very neat police chase with Borlu in one city and his quarry in another, which ends in a shocking way.

I naturally expected this to be a political book – Mieville is a political writer, and the concept of two cities (and of “unseeing”) brings to mind a whole range of themes. Consider London, where I live now, which has billionaires living in penthouse suites and mansions in Chelsea, and immigrants living ten to a room in Tower Hamlets. Consider the various ethnic ghettoes, or the way we avoid eye contact with homeless people, or the way nobody speaks to or looks at each other on a crowded train. The concept of “unseeing” becomes much less silly when you consider that everyone in a big city does it every day – Mieville has simply taken it to its extreme.

The City and the City is the best of Mieville’s books I’ve yet read, not just for the originality and execution of its concept, but because – unlike the Bas-Lag trilogy – it’s tightly edited and far less flowery and rambling Mieville used to be. Perhaps this is because he was trying to emulate the Raymond Chandler detective novel style, but I hope it’s because he’s also developing as a writer. Even if you have been underwhelmed by Mieville in the past – as I was – I can strongly recommend The City and the City. ( )
  edgeworth | Jul 20, 2014 |
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Subtly, almost casually, Miéville constructs a metaphor for modern life in which our habits of "unseeing" allow us to ignore that which does not directly affect our familiar lives. Yet he doesn't encourage us to understand his novel as a parable, rather as a police mystery dealing with extraordinary circumstances. The book is a fine, page-turning murder investigation in the tradition of Philip K Dick, gradually opening up to become something bigger and more significant than we originally suspected.
added by andyl | editThe Guardian, Michael Moorcock (May 30, 2009)
 
Readers should shed their preconceptions and treat themselves to a highly original and gripping experience.The City & The City is still Urban Fantasy, yes, but don't look for elves on motorcycles or spell-casting cops. China Miéville has done something very different, new, and — oh yeah — weird.
added by PhoenixTerran | editio9, Chris Hsiang (May 28, 2009)
 
The novel works best when Miéville trusts his storytelling instincts. I was immediately entranced by the premise of doppel cities and didn't need it explained at every turn.

At times, I appreciated the intellectual brilliance of "The City" more than I lost myself in it. Borlú seemed an archetype more than a fleshed-out character. That's OK. The real protagonists here are the mirror cities themselves, and the strange inner workings that make them, and their residents, tick.
 
Miéville’s achievement is at once remarkable and subtle. His overlapping cities take in an aspect of our own world—social conventions—wholesale. But by describing those conventions using conceptual tools borrowed from traditional “worldbuilding” fantasy, he heightens awareness of the unnoticed in our own lives. He doesn’t give us symbols. He gives us real life rendered with all the more clarity for its apparent weirdness.
 

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"Deep inside the town there open up, so to speak, double streets, doppelganger streets, mendacious and delusive streets."
   -- Bruno Schulz, The Cinnamon Shops and Other Stories
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In loving memory of my mother,
Claudia Lightfoot
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I could not see the street or much of the estate.
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Can cities really
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Amazon.com Amazon.com Review (ISBN 0345497511, Hardcover)

Amazon Best of the Month, June 2009: The city is Beszel, a rundown metropolis on the eastern edge of Europe. The other city is Ul Qoma, a modern Eastern European boomtown, despite being a bit of an international pariah. What the two cities share, and what they don't, is the deliciously evocative conundrum at the heart of China Mieville's The City & The City. Mieville is well known as a modern fantasist (and urbanist), but from book to book he's tried on different genres, and here he's fully hard-boiled, stripping down to a seen-it-all detective's voice that's wonderfully appropriate for this story of seen and unseen. His detective is Inspector Tyador Borlu, a cop in Beszel whose investigation of the murder of a young foreign woman takes him back and forth across the highly policed border to Ul Qoma to uncover a crime that threatens the delicate balance between the cities and, perhaps more so, Borlu's own dissolving sense of identity. In his tale of two cities, Mieville creates a world both fantastic and unsettlingly familiar, whose mysteries don't end with the solution of a murder. --Tom Nissley

(retrieved from Amazon Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:05:53 -0400)

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Inspector Tyador Borlu must travel to Ul Qoma to search for answers in the murder of a woman found in the city of Beszel.

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