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... Defoe The Mysteries of Udolpho by Ann Radcliffe The Plot Against America by Phillip Roth S Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence Silas Marner by George Eliot Blindness by Jose Saramago The Mistborn Trilogy by Brandon Sanderson T A ...

... itself, it was interesting, but I found the last third of it to be CREEPY. I enjoyed the novels I've read by Lawrence, Sons and Lovers and Women in Love, and though it's been several years, I don't recall being creeped out by either of them. So, a very well-written story, but it didn't ...

... to India 717 Siddhartha 726 The Age of Innocence 733 Summer 743 The Thirty-Nine Steps 744 Kokoro 749 Sons and Lovers 750 Death in Venice 754 Howards End 761 A Room With a View 769 The Forsyte Sage on Mount TBR 772 Where Angels Fear to Tread 777 The Riddle ...

I just finished The Rainbow and was not so interested. I liked Sons and Lovers better. Lawrence is a hard one to connect with.

... enjoying most of the authors I used to dislike - Dickens and Hardy in particular - but I can't imagine ever re-reading Sons and Lovers.

Sons and Lovers -- uggh, and double uggh. I had to read this in High School and absolutely hated it. I did like Heart of Darkness -- but, then, I've always been a bit on the melancholy side anyway, so this fit right in with my mood. And anything by Charles Dickens or Jane Austen I love :-)

... going into hospital, which three books would you take with you? Panic Spring, Charles Norden (AKA Lawrence Durrell) Sons and Lovers, DH Lawrence The Magus, John Fowles They're on the TBR and they're also hefty books that will take a while to read. 11. If you were stranded on a ...

... ghs 3. The Door Into Summer by Robert Heinlein 4. On the Beach by Nevil Shute 5. Greenmantle by Charles de Lint 6. Sons and Lovers by D. H. Lawrence 7. It by Stephen King 8. Appointment in Samarra by John O'Hara 9. From Here to Eternity by James Jones 10. Watership Down by Ri ...

I was actually disappointed by Chatterly. I hear Sons and Lovers is much better. Have you read any of his short stories? The Rocking Horse Winner is absolutely brilliant!

... House, Ernest J. Gaines My Mother, My Self, Nancy Friday The Time Traveler's Wife, Audrey Niffenegger Sons and Lovers, D.H. Lawrence

I think Lady Chatterly's Lover is pretty overrated. If you go for something by Lawrence, Sons and Lovers or The Rainbow are better starting points. Lawrence is also a master of the short story, so that would be another place to start. And I personally think it's a good thing that there ...

... border="0" alt="Photobucket"> #26: Sons and Lovers by D. H. Lawrence This is my first D.H. Lawrence book, if you don’t count Lady Chatterley’s Lover which I read in my early teens. I plunged ...

... you have to BE to GET. How cool that you get to receive what you so generously give. >114 Queen of the GIFs, untrue. Sons and Lovers is unworthy, and all who claim otherwise are defective. So is Manservant and Maidservant, and For Whom the Bell Tolls, and the entire ouevre of Chuckles ...

Today I got a box of random books (as in, I didn't know what they would be), and one from BookMooch. Box of Books: Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas and The House of the Seven Gables by Nathaniel Hawthorne (in one book) Bread Givers by Anzia ...

... Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, Aged 13 3/4, Sue Townsend Funny and light. 9. Moominpappa at Sea, Tove Jansson 10. Sons and Lovers, D.H. Lawrence Long and rather slow, but interesting. I'm preparing for a trip to Iceland, so my next few books will be Icelandic authors, sagas, etc. ...

36. Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence Rating: ★1/2 Genre: Literature Paul Morel grows up in a mining village in England, the son of a collier -- whom he hates. His mother is slightly more of ...

Well, aren't you motivated?! ;-) I remember half reading Sons and Lovers (or was it Lady Chatterly's Lover?) but I don't like to work that hard when I'm reading--especially not on Mother's Day. Have a good one!

#168: I was just in the same position. It took me a little over a week to slog through Sons and Lovers and felt it did nothing for me other than miss out on the other books I could have read.

... I never wanted to go there again. Same kind of response to the much-praised, yet held in less than esteem by me, Sons and Lovers. Might give Trollope another go.

Sons and Lovers

... the Fury - William Faulkner 5.The Golden Notebook - Doris Lessing 6.Middlemarch - George Eliot 7. Sons and Lovers - D.H. Lawrence 8.The Collected Poems of W.B. Yeats 9.The Collected Plays of William Shakespeare 10.The House of Mirth - Edith Wharton

... Secret Diary of Adrian Mole, Aged 13 3/4, Sue Townsend Funny and light. 9. Moominpappa at Sea, Tove Jansson 10. Sons and Lovers, D.H. Lawrence Long and rather slow, but interesting. Jun 22, 2009 Update: 11. Iceland Lonely Planet, Lonely Planet I haven't read it cover to ...

... Chatterly's Lover, and something else I don't remember now), but I don't remember being thrilled with them. Looks like Sons and Lovers is a bit better, I will check it out! Keep meaning to get to Speak as well....my TBR list grows!

It's Not so bad at th moment I need to finish it to see how I feel! I started Sons and Lover's last night this looks good!

Hi brochettes, Have fun with your reading! I am reading Sons and Lovers from the list. I read it in university a while back, but I am starting the 1001 from scratch and plan to concentrate solely on that list (and magazine subscriptions) for the time being. What are you reading now?

... quite a few already, my memory tends to be poor so I am going to read (and reread) all 1001 books. Yay! I am starting with Sons and Lovers.

Thank you for strengthening my resolve never to try him again. I think it was Sons and Lovers I finally had to stop reading--back when I was OCD about finishing everything! I'm better now--except if I own a book that I put aside I won't get rid of it in case I ever decide to finish it. Since I ...

... sit down and read Vanity Fair, The Winter's Tale, Much Ado About Nothing, Love's Labour's Lost, As You Like It, Sons and Lovers, Far From The Madding Crowd,Middlemarch, The Moonstone and Mansfield Park not in this order and I'm also going to re-read Pride and Prejudice, Ali ...

... male (now a dirty old man!) I looked for all the dirty bits. However, I don't like explicit sex in literary novels and Sons and Lovers and The Rainbow are much better in that respect and every other. So, I don't recommend LC as literature, even though it is literary, and I assume that ...

From appydo1's library I chose Sons And Lovers by D.H. Lawrence, still languishing in one of my tottering TBR piles.

... ide The End of the Affair by Graham Greene Far From the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence A Hero of Our Time by Mikhail Lermontov All the Pretty Horses by Cormac McCarthy Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry The Magic M ...

I have read Sons and Lovers and wouldn't wish it on anybody. How about The Rainbow by Lawrence? Let's get him out of the way.

I've read Ivanhoe and enjoyed it immensely. Who else has read Sons and Lovers?

... Wives Tale - I'm at Sophia's section now, which I like much better than I liked Constance's section (it was a little bit Sons and Loversish, which, from me, isn't a compliment). I think that the people who run away to Paris are always more interesting than the ones who stay home and behave ...

I'm reading Sons and Lovers (in Norwegian: 'Sønner og elskere') by D. H. Lawrence. I've just received it from The Norwegian Book Club ("World Library" series). I'm really looking forward to this novel, as I've heard lots of positive recommendations of it. First I'll read the introductory essay ...

... Douglas Series The Chronicles of Barsetshire Literary Debris (1-8) The Street of Crocodiles (9-16) Sons and Lovers

zanix in 888 Challenge : Zero's 888 (Nov 26, 2008, 7:51pm)

EX: The House of the Dead, After the Quake, Brideshead Revisited, Casino Royale, Sons and Lovers, "Brokeback Mountain", Amadeus, O Pioneers!, The Odyssey, Day

Yeah, Sons and Lovers not for the meek. But it made me want to read some of Lawrence. He deserves his place in the halls of literature, even if a lot of the characters were not likable. For me, the best part was the psychological interaction between the characters.

... (No, this isn't a plea for more, thanks but I can't get to the PO to pick them up without a major hassle.) And, re: Sons and Lovers I found this so dismal. Came highly recommended but it just didn't work for me. I don't read to get depressed. I struggle with that enough all on my own. ...

Sons and Lovers ****½ by D.H. Lawrence 11/17/08 Zuckerman Unbound (#290) ** by Philip Roth 11/18/08 The End of the Affair **** by Graham Greene 11/18/08

>38 porchy, I thought Sons and Lovers was a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, of course. (Another immensely overrated book, that one.) "Craptastic" is a word invented by Mr. Booklady, though it's been a while since we've seen Booklady 'round these parts as a regular. I'm thinking it's ...

#35.........but Richard, how do you really feel about Sons and Lovers??? I'm sorry, love.....just giving you a hard time. I do love you, you know. :o) I like that word "craptastic". I'm going to use that word sometime today....

>30 sanja, Sons and Lovers is a mawkishly sentimental droningly dull blah blah blah kind of a book. It's craptastic. It's one of the very, very few books that I won't even donate or give away, preferring to throw it in the garbage so as to prevent the damn thing from polluting another ...

... tag: Sad Cypress by Agatha Christie. You can't go wrong reading Mme Christie for fun. Side note: I see you have Sons and Lovers in the TBR pile. Do you not like reading much that you'd consider reading such a horrible piece of "work" and turn yourself off forever?

... raised Catholic). If not, I can always stop reading it and move on to something else. I completely agree with you about Sons and Lovers. Droning, indeed.

... honest to Pete, just trying to save you some gray hairs. >10 booklady, what a great idea. For me, the fact that Sons and Lovers was banned in the USA on moral grounds makes no sense. If one is going to ban this ghastly twaddle, it ought to be on public safety grounds...preventing ...

... Pride and Prejudice could not get into anything else by Jane Austen, tried all the others, gave up, too boring. Enjoyed Sons and Lovers and The Rainbow, dislike everything else by Lawrence. Enjoyed Madame Bovary found everything else by Flaubert unintelligble. Enjoyed Far From the Madd ...

... End by Arthur C. Clarke Methusaleh's Children by Robert A. Heinlein Galileo's Daughter by Dava Sobel Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence

... moving, senstitive and fine." The only other L I have read is D H Lawrence. Of his books, I enjoyed The Rainbow and Sons and Lovers the most.

Kplatypus in ARC Junkies : I Won! (Aug 6, 2008, 12:05am)

... the motherlode! Scored, all for free: Lady Oracle by Margaret Atwood, The Things They Carried by Tim O'Brien, Sons and Lovers by D. H. Lawrence, Lucky Jim by Kingsley Amis, The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon (this is the only one that I've read already ...

zanix in 888 Challenge : Zero's 888 (Jul 27, 2008, 5:28am)

... von Goethe **** 5. Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift **** 6. The Street of Crocodiles by Bruno Schulz ****½ 7. Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence ****½ 8. Master Georgie by Beryl Bainbridge **½ Double {complete} 9. Perfume: The Story of a Murderer by Peter Süskind ...

Fathers and Sons Ivan Turgenev War and Peace Leo Tolstoy Sons and Lovers D.H. Lawrence The Bourgeois Poet Karl Jay Shapiro Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Robert M. Pirsig Bush's Brain James Moore

... sentence are the main character's first and last name, thanks to the horrible, ghastly, bad, vile, soul-suckingly evil Sons and Lovers). Still and all, that's me, and I certainly am sorry that my passing a comment that's led others to pass similar ones has influenced you so negatively. > ...

Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence?

... did manage to bring home tons of books from the library this week, though, and even managed to snag two for my very own: Sons and Lovers, D.H. Lawrence A really nice hardcover copy of Mrs. Dalloway

... at the present time, my finance won't let me do anything about it. Re #10: That's quite a steal pm11! I just purchased Sons and Lovers last autumn for about $85. Are you bidding on the Karamazov? If you are, I won't drive up the price by putting in a bid (when I am really waiting for the ...

Okay....I can't resist one more guess............Sons and Lovers?

Lady Chatterley's Lover? Sons and Lovers? I would be happy to re-read either one.

... of an Artist as a Young Man Stories by Kafka and The Trial Mrs. Dalloway, Orlando, and To the Lighhouse Sons and Lovers Brave New World The Sound and the Fury, The Reivers and As I lay Dying Stories by Hemingway and For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Sun Also Rises, ...

... Classics: Brideshead Revisited The Bell Jar The Jungle Bridge of San Luis Rey ( re-read) Orlando Sons and Lovers

... Pretty One Day by David Sedaris Good Poems edited by Garrison Keillor Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Rowling Sons and Lovers DH Lawrence And Then There Were None by Agatha Christie The Last Camel Died at Noon by Elizabeth Peters

My personal nominee for most objectionable, offiensive, horrific read of a lifetime is Sons and Lovers by DH Lawrence. Paul Morel and his mommy shoulda just gone and got a room and got the filthy, horrifying deed done and over with. Perhaps the book's overtones of incestuous intimacy ...

superfancy in Awful Lit. : I Love You Guys! (Apr 21, 2008, 9:31am)

... Mailer. They should stick to guest-writing articles for Esquire. Speaking of mysoginists, I really hated D.H. Lawrence's Sons and Lovers. If there were a Mount Rushmore equivalent for Awful Lit, D.H. Lawrence's profile would be there.

Sons and Lovers by D. H. Lawrence

... you do not find interesting or at the very least somewhat intriguing. Thanks also for you review of D.H Lawrence and Sons and Lovers in particular. I may give the book a skip for now cause the memory of that miniseries is still in my head. Anyway I will reply to my opinion of the Pullm ...

... Hawks Cloudsplitter by Rusell Banks Shane by Jack Schaeffer On the Beach by Nevil Shute Jazz by Toni Morrisson Sons and Lovers by DH Lawrence The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson Dream Lucky by Roxanne Orgill Just finnished: 23. What Wou ...

... books and a friend said he really liked Enduring Love, so I am thinking of giving it a read soon. I never read Sons and Lovers but I saw the miniseries. It had to qualify as one of the most painful experiences of my life. It was TERRIBLE. I just wanted it to end so that I could go ...

... Hawks Cloudsplitter by Rusell Banks Shane by Jack Schaeffer On the Beach by Nevil Shute Jazz by Toni Morrisson Sons and Lovers by DH Lawrence The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde I also tried but gave up on (I have a 50 page rule): V by Thomas Pynchon To the Lighthou ...

Kplatypus in Awful Lit. : DH Lawrence (Mar 26, 2008, 1:16pm)

... books, and if I want to finish this 1001 book list, I'm going to have to delve back in. I think I even have a copy of Sons and Lovers somewhere around the house, though I may have chucked it. Hmm. Anyway, yes. Suggestions of background reading would be appreciated.

... most of these are the older classics. So far I have made it through Don Quixote, which I got through manybooks.net, Sons and Lovers, and Wuthering Heights I downloaded from feedbooks.com. Another that I bought from the kindle store after hearing it mentioned somewhere on LT was Lamb ...

... new bestseller for maybe every 2 or 3 classics I finish that I get from Project Gutenberg sites. I just finished Sons and lovers and Wuthering heights so I can justify a new one, right?

... though, know that they're not all that complete on "cleaning" things up. It seems you can buy Lady Chatterley's Lover, Sons and Lovers (arguably, it is tame) and even Tropic of Cancer in this family-friendly environment. Someone forgot to give them their "Banned in Boston!" list. :-) ...

... in college as part of a writing course titled "Concept of the Modern" -- the professor's area of expertise. We read Sons and Lovers, Lady Chatterly's Lover, Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad, Death in Venice by Thomas Mann, Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence ...

Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence

... Fiction 1. The Good Earth, Pearl S. Buck 2,556 copies on LT 2. The Fountain, Charles Morgan 14copies 3. Sons, Pearl S. Buck 91 copies 4. Magnolia Street, Louis Golding 2 copies 5. The Sheltered Life, Ellen Glasgow 28 copies 6. Old Wine and New, War ...

NOTE: This message was deleted, updated, then posted again in its entirety as message #129 on 3/25/08.

... - probably the worst thing I read this year. The writing was just terrible. I'm still not sure why I finished it. Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence - I didn't care about a single character, so I abandoned it at the end of Part I. Treasure Island by Robert Louis Stevenson - I ...

usnmm2 in Bestsellers over the Years : 1931 (Oct 22, 2007, 7:36pm)

I read the 1932 Pulitzer Prize Book The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck and the two other books in her trilogy Sons and A House Divided I have not read Shadows on the Rock by Willa Cather but I have have read My Antonia.

... to be the question for rhetoric or composition. But when I read a novel, and they want to write a paper about that novel (Sons and Lovers for instance, which tormented me in my Romantics English class) what am I supposed to be writing? Not a plot summery. I loved reading the books, but ...

Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence The Good Soldier by Ford Madox Ford (ok, why does the touchstone for FMF come up Ernest Hemingway?) Was just reading Joseph Conrad: A Biography, so I figured I'd pick up some of his friends/contemporaries that I hadn't read yet. From what I could ...

... and Have Not by Ernest Hemingway Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck Man and Superman by George Bernard Shaw Sons and Lovers by D H Lawrence The Kings and Queens of England by Nicholas Best

... Age by Kenneth Grahame The Age of the Fathers by William Bright Fathers and Sons by Ivan Turgenev Sons and Lovers by D. H.Lawrence Lovers and Liars by Sally Beauman

I just started reading this on line at work. I had tried Sons and Lovers years ago and hated it, probably didn't have the maturity for it at the time. So I had assumed I didn't likeD.H. Lawrence. But Lady Chatterleys lover is a really hot book, with views on women and sex that seem very ...

Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence Children of the Corn by Fritz Kiersch Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe The Five Chinese Brothers by Claire Bishop Uncle Vanya by Chekhov

... Lover, I figured I would like other books by D.H. Lawrence. How wrong I was - I tried to read both Women in Love and Sons and Lovers and nearly died of boredom. Never again!

... Uncle Vanya by Anton Chekhov Brothers and Sisters by Ivy Compton Burnett A Voyage Round my Father by John Mortimer Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence

Just went to a library book sale and this is what I got. Sons and Lovers by D.H.Lawrence The Joy of Lex: how to have fun with 860,341,500 words by Gyles Brandreth Spells of Enchantment by Jack Zipes A Quiet Man and other tales by Maurice Walsh Mrs. Dalloway by Virg ...

... through Song of Solomon, (which, in my opinion, is nowhere near as worthwhile as Beloved; it kind of reminds me of Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence, only with American slum landlords instead of Welsh coal miners), but I've also started Werehunter by Mercedes Lackey, as an e-boo ...

... 5. Brave New World by Aldous Huxley 6. The Sound and The Fury by William Faulkner 7. Catch 22 by Joseph Heller 8. Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence 9. The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck 10. Under the Volcano by Malcolm Lowry 11. 1984 by George Orwell 12. To the Lighthouse ...

... count unfinished books if I made it at least 100 pages into them. So far this year the only book I've abandoned has been Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence. I jumped ship after Part I, which ended at around page 150.

Hera in Awful Lit. : DH Lawrence (Feb 20, 2007, 8:42am)

... didn't get it 'right' (incidentally, where IS the 'Great Working Class Novel'?), although I think he was trying for it in Sons and Lovers, particularly the passages about the father. I think DHL's poetry is extraordinary and love it, his language in the novels is beautiful but I can't get over ...

DLSmithies #63: If Sons and Lovers can't make you abrogate your self-imposed requirement to finish the books you start, nothing ever written can...I feel so sad for that, so many, many unworthy books will make their way into your mental furniture... ;-P

I made it through Part I of Sons and Lovers, but decided to dump it after that. I think I would've been all over the book if it had been a short story, as it's written in an interesting manner, but as a book it was just too much. I didn't really care enough to work my way through another 250 ...

I'm oh-so-slowly wending my way through Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence. If things don't pick up soon, I think I'll be abandoning it. It's interestingly written, but that isn't enough to carry me through the rest of it. If this were a short story I'd have eaten it up, but as a novel... ...

... And I'm looking forward to Cakes and Ale later in the year too. I hate to be the odd-man-out here, but I love Sons and Lovers best of all the Lawrence novels that I've read, but of course understand well that it's probably not to everyone's taste. Just saying...

#49 and #56: I felt exactly the same about Sons and Lovers - I found it so tedious, and the characters all so intensely annoying - especially the girls whose name I've forgotten - Marion or something? Self-indulgence abounded. I stuck it out till the end only because I can't stand leaving a book ...

>49 xicanti: Have you read other D.H. Lawrence works? If so, you're not likely to get into Sons and Lovers, which I personally remember as one of the godawfullest reads of my life. I say abandon ship, person the lifeboats and row heartily away from that gormless, drippy Paul Morel and his ...

I feel like it's taking me forever to get through Sons and Lovers. I hope my reading speed picks up a bit tomorrow, once I'm back on the bus. I find it difficult to read over the weekend unless I'm really involved in the book; there are just so many other things I could be doing! It's much ...

I've just started Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence for fiction, (finally; I've been meaning to get to it for about six months now), and I'm about halfway through The Vision of the Buddha by Tom Lowenstein for nonfiction.

xicanti in Book talk : To Read List (Feb 8, 2007, 7:45pm)

... up short, tentative reading lists to cover particular periods, but I'm not very good at sticking to them. For example, Sons and Lovers has been up next for, um, a couple of months now. I swear I'll read it after I finish my current book, though. Really.

... god 31. Shopaholic and Sister by Sophie Kinsella - keeper 32. The Dark is Rising by Susan Cooper - seller 33. Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence - seller 34. The Vision of the Buddha by Tom Lowenstein - keeper 35. Dragons of Winter Night by Margaret Weis and Tracy ...

Shopaholic Takes Manhattan by Sophie Kinsella. I sort of feel like I should be reading something deeper, (perhaps Sons and Lovers which I've been meaning to get to for a few months now), but oh well. There's nothing wrong with reading solely for entertainment.

#1 Harry Potter 7 the Half Blood Prince #100 Leaves of Grass - Walt Whitman 10% (155 of 1552) - Sons and Lovers - D.H. Lawrence 199 unshared.

My GCSE reading list (1986-88, when I was 14-16) included: Sons and Lovers, Fathers and Sons, Bliss, Macbeth, The Tempest, Much Ado About Nothing, Collected poems by Seamus Heaney, Ted Hughes and Philip Larkin, To Kill A Mockingbird, The Lord of the Flies, Hard Times, ...

... along with Macbeth - but then I guess those two are probably quite common on the cirriculum? Oh, Dorian Gray and Sons and Lovers, they were required reading during the summer before I started English at college, there were a few others, but honestly... I can't remember.

... The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach A Canticle For Leibowitz by Walter Miller Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence The People-No Different Flesh by Zenna Henderson 17-25 Gormenghast by Mervin Peake Large numbers of science texts mostly to do ...

lomelindi in Awful Lit. : Awful Classics? (Nov 14, 2006, 2:25pm)

... English 105 class (the theme was Values Conflict). I trudged through Tom Sawyer, Native Son, The Invisible Man, Sons and Lovers, Moby Dick. I do like Jane Austen, John Steinbeck, the short stories of Mark Twain and Hemingway, of the Bronte's I find only Wuthering He ...

NotSunkYet in Bug Collectors : Export File (Nov 5, 2006, 10:18pm)

... the file in excel and sorted it by title. I then did the same in LT and compared the two. I found the missing work to be Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence. I'm thinking that individual work has nothing to do with the problem as it was a more recent add and I've noticed this problem before ...

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