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... chewed me up and spat me back out again. One of the few books that have really hit me emotionally with such intensity.
Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein
1 part fun (all the power armour and weaponry brings me back to being a 12 year old boy again) and 1 part slightly uncomfortable ... ... many people start reading this because of this similarity. In fact that is how the book was presented to me. If I liked Starship Troopers try Armor. I did. So I did.
I never would have thought to rate Steakley in the same category as Starship Troopers, or Forever War. Sure same genre, but nowhere near as good a story or writing. Sometimes one book suggests another. Starship Troopers is an excellent read, but comparing it to The Forever War makes both even better, especially if you know a bit about the author. ... without stars in the sky. That started a life long love affair with this wonderful genre.
>6 I enjoyed Heinleins Starship trooper. ... mean, when I've lined up my copy of Dune with three SF books that had been written in the previous decade (Double Star and Starship Troopers by Heinlein, and Mission of Gravity by Hal Clement), all of them award winners, all of them critically acclaimed, and all of them barely adding up ... ... decisions which left them with only really bad choices by the end. I'm sympathetic to the arguments Heinlein made in Starship Troopers that said one person's life is enough to fight a war over. (That's the book, the movie actually made the opposite argument which was one reason I really ... I will admit I was referring to the movie. Although I have read my share of Heinlein, I have not read Starship Troopers. If the book was anti-war then the movie is certainly an interesting interpretation. Starship Troopers 9: Interesting. Geneg advocates the Starship Troopers model of choosing political leaders. Starship Troopers ... fun to go back through these, see what I've missed, and pick them up for the first time.
So far this year I've done Starship Troopers, The Forever War, The Postman, and I've just started Neuromancer - and I probably have another dozen on my tbr list thanks to these sorts of lists! Starship Troopers: I hated the book, but loved the film.
I had the same reaction to Weapons of Choice too. I haven't found them yet :-)
No, but seriously... definitely not Starship Troopers. And while the the Dorsai trilogy has its moments, it's only good if you're about 13 years old.
The Forever War is perhaps one, although I'd have to reread it to make sure. Also Life During Wartime by Luci ... You can't leave it like that Ian, which three military sf novels?
Starship Troopers?
Ender's Game?
Dorsai!?
The Hunt for Red October?
All of the above could be valid here as anti-recommendations as well! ... pop commercial hack Henry James. "Stranger in a Strange Land" was my first encounter with Heinlein, although I did see the Starship Troopers movie before I read any of his stuff.
Good style does not mean a person uses good grammar. Henry James uses incredibly proper English because he was ... ... by Larry Niven
Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke
Stranger in a Strange Land or Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein
The Ophiuchi Hotline by John Varley
Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner
Dragon's Egg by ... In no particular order:
Lord of Light
Foreigner
Starship Troopers
Forever War
Dune
Neuromancer
Excession
Rendezvous with Rama
Man in the High Castle
Startide Rising
I might have different opinions tomorrow. ... as many formats can be converted.
Ender's Game
Rendezvous with Rama
Gateway
Flowers for Algernon
Hyperion
Starship Troopers
On a Pale Horse
...
Uglies by Scott Westerfield
The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins
Wake by Lisa McMann
I will also add a vote for Starship Troopers, which I have read for the first time and quite enjoyed, age notwithstanding! I think there is definitely a certain type of reader for whom that sort of ... I passed by Focault's Pendulum and in the meantime finished Patient Zero, which was tons of fun, and picked up Starship Troopers, which I am having a hard time believing has a original copyright date of 1959 (I'm quite liking it!).
For those of you who've read Pendulum, is there a point ... ... te)
and
Christopher Rowley's Bazil Broketail series (I think there are 7 or 8 books)
and
Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers posting without reading (much)
1) Starship Troopers by RAH
2) Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
3) The Legion of Space by Jack Williamson
4) Puppet Masters by RAH again
my 10 year old son has read all of these and loved them. He is now an ardent SFF fan. ... to be similar and no way is that anywhere near my idea of the top 100 (I read 2 or 3 of them and gave up.)
Heinlein and Starship Troopers, Moon is a Harsh Mistress, always on my top 100, but The Door Into Summer, Time Enough for Love not so much... And yet I will reread all of those a ... ... wishlist!
I haven't read a Heinlein in years! Mr TQD swears by the small ones as great adventure stories (he still reads Starship Troopers quite regularly), but I read too many of the big chunky 70s ones to ever go back to him. ... are sixty, I probably won't.
And if you are a young man, and like action films, then perhaps more military sci-fi like Starship Troopers, (but none of John Ringo and his Posleen stories) and if you are a young woman and want more romance, then Asimov and Bicentennial Man and if you are a ... ... and it would drop in the popular estimation. Perhaps rather than railing against the fact that Foundation and Starship Troopers and Rendezvous with Rama (and the other similar vintage works) keep showing up, maybe we should look into why they do despite their admitted ... ... Stones
Citizen of the Galaxy
The Cross-Time Engineer (Adventures of Conrad Stargard, Book 1)
Farmer in the Sky
Starship Troopers
Downbelow Station (20th Anniversary) (Daw Book Collectors)
Star Driver
Callahan and Company: The Compleat Chronicles of the Crosstime Saloon
Gre ... Dune
Snow Crash
Ringworld
The man who folded himself
The Guns of the South
Starship Troopers #63 - see, even then your choices are old. The Forever War is a response to the older Starship Troopers, and is informed by the Vietnam War. Those 19-year-old Vietnam vets are now all approaching, or over, 60. Ender's Game has never been that popular in the UK, and given Card's attitudes to ... ... mentioned:
I, Robot - I enjoy Asimov, the movie had NOTHING to do with the book and wasn't very interesting to boot.
Starship Troopers - I'm a big Heinlein fan and like this book, I don't think that the movie was very reflective of the book at all, but I maintain a (very) minority opinion ... ... Train Robbery by Michael Crichton
Murder on the Orient Express by Agatha Christie
Wheels by Arthur Hailey
Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein
The Wayward Bus by John Steinbeck
... at her address to West Point.
The same is true of Heinlein ... in ever book there is some version of government. In Starship Troopers there was a government with the franchise limited to those who had served the government for at least 2 years. In The Moon is a Harsh Mistress after the ... >339: Starship Troopers is an amazing book because it describes a fascist utopia. It presents in cheap SF a fully realized, perfected fascist world. ... Rising by David Brin
The Postman by David Brin
Federation by H. Beam Piper
The Far Seer by Robert J. Sawyer
Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein
Triplanetary E.E. Doc Smith
Ensign Flandry by Poul Anderson
After World ... ... are midwives to a text (or movie) that will mean something different to each person who comes in contact with it. I think Starship Troopers is about man's never ending battle with bugs, so there.
You guys need to cool it. Cyops, nearly every post I've seen from you is calculated to start a ... ... anymore. Heinlein's The Puppet Masters is about McCarthyism - how many young people these days even know what that was? Starship Troopers is informed by WWII values. The Forever War was a response to it and the Vietnam War. That's history. You know, a "different country; they do ... ... as warriors and studs. A highly controversial work that tends to generate a lot of argument.
War
Heinlein's Starship Troopers can promote discussions about fascism. Though the vehicle is just a science fiction action story, the political/philosophical essay lurks very close to ... He has to join up and go fight the bugs before becoming a citizen!
*Psst* Starship Troopers... ... novels being turned into movies, I have high hopes for "The Forever War"'
After the pigs' testicles they made out of "Starship Troopers", to say you're being wildly optimistic would, I suggest, be putting it mildly indeed.
Anyway, for my ha'pence worth, I wouldn't seeing Harrison's Sipp ... ... and that bogs things down also.
With a lecturer stance, I don't want to be hit over the head with it. One place that Starship Troopers does work is using that classroom give and take that the fighting chapters are broken up with. There it seems like we are asking Rico to think, and that ... ... political situations Zamyatin's We, 1984, Brave New World. Wasn't Heinlein's Puppet Masters a support of McCarthyism, Starship Troopers an attack on peaceniks?
Wasn't John Norman's Gor series an attack on the feminist movement (as well as an outlet to his own kinks)? Asimov's Robot ... ... Red Death
The Prince and the Pauper
The Ghost and Mrs. Muir
The Inn of the Sixth Happiness
The Bishop's Wife
Starship Troopers
I, Robot
And Then There Were None
Babe
Tried to keep this to ones not previously mentioned, I think I succeeded. :)
Starship Troopers
The Island of Doctor Moreau
Herbert West, Reanimator (movie called The Reanimator)
Slaughterhouse five and a bunch of other Vonnegut I'm too lazy to go looking for, though I know Mother Nigh ... ... on goodreads all of which rate it 5 stars. The OP gives it five stars here (but then he also gives Atlas Shrugged and Starship Troopers five stars).
Despite not having a traditional publisher I would have thought that it would have been pretty easy to have got a mention (or even a ... ... orites:
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
I Will Fear No Evil
The Number of the Beast
Starship Troopers
Ones I didn't like:
Job - Boring
Double Star - Too short and not enough about the Mars.
I have some others I know I haven't read yet, and ... My favorites:
Starship Troopers
Time Enough for Love
Good but didn't live up to the hype (IMHO)
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Wierd/Bad/Couldn't Finish
The Cat who Walks Through Walls
The Number of the Beast
I Will Fear no Evil
Honorable ... ... stuff - The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress and before tends to be at least readable although there are ones I didn't enjoy (Starship Troopers, I'm looking at you). Like Ian I suspect that the juveniles have aged really badly, they seemed "from the past" when I read them as a juvenile in the 70s. ... ... and least favorites:
Favorites:
The Moon is A Harsh Mistress
To Sail Beyond the Sunset
Time Enough for Love
Starship Troopers
Middle:
juveniles, Farnham's Freehold, Sixth Column
Least Favorites:
Stranger In a Strange Land
final quarter mostly
Orphans of the Sky
... Liked:
- Starship Troopers
- The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Ambivalent:
- Stranger in a Strange Land
- Double Star
Didn't Like:
- Friday
- The Cat Who Walked Through Walls I think a pattern is emerging...
- Starship Troopers - a lesson in fascist politics in search of a plot
- I Will Fear No Evil - a dirty old man in search of a plot
- Number of the Beast - Heinlein himself in search of a plot
- The moon is a Harsh Mistress - a committee meeting in ... His juveniles were entertaining, but they've not aged gracefully. Starship Troopers is a lesson in fascist politics in search of a plot. I Will Fear No Evil is a dirty old man in search of a plot. It's been so long since I read Stranger in a Strange Land I remember little about it. But fear ... ... was paid by the word.
*In serious need of an editor.
*Was the product of his time (for good or ill).
I loved the movie Starship Troopers, a wonderful satire on creeping fascism in militarized societies.
Moon is a Harsh Mistress had fascinating ideas, at least on marriage. Who thought ... ... thread but I'll repeat here,
Citizen of the Galaxy
Farmer in the Sky
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
Starship Troopers
amongst the ones i do not like
Farnham's Freehold
I think we can bring our discussions of Heinlein all together. ... just do not hold it for me, nor does Job: A comedy of Justice
Now on the juveniles, I have a whole list of favorites. Starship Troopers falls, I think somewhere in between, but Farmer in the Sky and Citizen of the Galaxy are easily two of my favorites from what he wrote to appeal to ... ... Will Travel. His adult stuff was find when he wasn't obsessed with sex. I loved The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers, Double Star, The Door Into the Summer. Things like Time Enough for Love, however, had a really good story embedded into just a little too much ... You should try reading Starship Troopers then. By the same argument, that book should cure you of any "ideals" you might have had about any right-wing political philosophy... ... culture
6) Anarchism
7) Environmental
8) History, general
9) Fantasy
I only finished one book thus far this year, Starship Troopers. It was good, Heinlein always is, but his politics are all over the map. I can never agree with him, but the story is great.
I am currently ... The Stars Like Dust by Isaac Asimov
Polar Star by Martin Cruz Smith
Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein
Star Beast by Robert Heinlein
Marjorie Morningstar by Herman Wouk Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein
Flags of Our Fathers by James Bradley
The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas
The Winds of War by Herman Wouk
Captains and Kings by Taylor Caldwell
... where everything goes wrong. Felix the main character is the ultimate soldier. At this point the story is like Heinlein's Starship Troopers Men in powered Armour fighting bugs (or in this case ants).
Right at the height of the battle, the story changes to John Crow, who is imprisoned in the ... !! Fantasy and Science Fiction
Double Star
Starship Troopers
Contact
Eva by Peter Dickinson
Crystal Singer trilogy
Restoree
The Skies of Pern
Deryni Rising
Deryni Checkmate
High Deryni
Free Amazons of Darkover
Ages of Chaos
Darkover: First Contact
Renuncia ... ... ideas.
It's not necessary to assume that he was personally committed to any of them. Including the version he used for Starship Troopers.
And Heinlein was on the Left (EPIC) for a while, too.
The Starship Troopers system is only one of the plausible voting schemes that Heinlein tossed out.
Somewhere, he also proposed that the franchise should be limited to those who have a direct stake in the future: and therefore be limited to mothers only.
... I read it back in High School so if I read it again today it could be a very different experience. I still haven't read Starship Troopers so don't know how they compare, other than fighting large bugs. ... and uneven. The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress holds up better than Stranger In a Strange Land and is less divisive than Starship Troopers.
I, Robot - Now I know Isaac Asimov has been dragged over the coals repeatedly and his prose deserves it. But his robot stories should be read. (I ... ... accused Card of not only using the term 'bugger' as a slur, but he also accused him of swiping the term from the 'bugs' in Starship Troopers.
Seems to me that if Card stole 'bugs' from Starship Troopers (which he probably did) and turned it into 'buggers' then we can see that he wasn't ... I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned, but in both Starship Troopers and Enders Game the term "bugs" and "buggers" are used on ALIENS THAT ARE INSECTLIKE that the earth is engaged in a war with, so I think the reasons for the use of those terms is self evident.
I have never heard either ... ... Disch wrote, "Ding! Dong! The Witch is dead!".
Doesn't The Dreams Our Stuff Is Made Of also include an alaysis of Starship Troopers as gay porn? Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig
Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein
The Robots of Dawn by Isaac Asimov
The Love Machine by Jacqueline Susann
The Time Machine by H.G. Wells I don't do a lot of re-reading, but the two that I have read several times were Starship Troopers and Lord of the Rings. I recently re-read Forward the Foundation and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, but didn't find them as enjoyable the second time around.
Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein
Flags of Our Fathers by James Bradley
Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond
The Dogs of War by Frederick Forsyth
Drums of Autumn by Diana Gabaldon ...
Nerves - Lester del Rey
The Best of Lester del Rey - Lester del Rey
The Best of Edmond Hamilton - Edmond Hamilton
Starship Troopers - Robert A. Heinlein
The Puppet Masters - Robert A. Heinlein
Bright of the Sky - Kay Kenyon
The Best of C. M. Kornbluth – C. M. Kornbluth
Firs ... No. 34 Starship Troopers 200 pages (13,722 total pages) A blast from the past. I first read this book in my teens and most recently about ten years ago. Definitely fiction light. I guess from the rereadings the book has grown a little stale. I also do not enjoy Heinlein's preaching as much ... ... Ballard
Because, well, stuff happens.
19. Berserker by Fred Saberhagen
20. The High Crusade by Poul Anderson
21. Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein
22. King Davids Spaceship by Jerry Pournelle
23. The Mote in Gods Eye by Niven & Pournelle
24. Spartan Planet by A. Bertram ... ... Nbre de pages Appréciation
08/01/08 21/01/08 Heinlein Etoiles garde-à-vous ! **
22/01/08 28/01/08 Carr (Caleb) L'aliéniste ****
28/01 ... I have only reread a few books which I initially disliked. One was Robert A. Heinlein's Starship Troopers which I hated when I first read it as a very liberal 15 year old, and then absolutely loved when I reread it as a 20-something.
I also periodically pick up a "classic" which I was ... #5 What are the two Heinlein novels? I can guess one is the execrable Starship Troopers, and then only because of the Verhoeven film.
Ellison... I wouldn't piss on his books if they were on fire. Or on him, for that matter.
Has McCaffrey actually written anything that's not some horrible ... Podkayne of Mars was the first female lead character I remember reading and in Starship Troopers Heinlein explained that only females had the quick reflexes to pilot the starships and landers. The female characters were strong and independent but their gender was an issue. Jolene, it's not that the book Starship Troopers was better than the film, it's just that the film was so completely different from the book that it was distracting.
Imagine an adaptation of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone where they didn't use any magic and Voldemort was simply a ... ... by Robert Buettner the first in the series and I enjoyed it immensely. No surprises', even fewer if you have read Starship Troopers or The Forever War. Not so much an imitation but a homage to those books.
Earth's cities are being destroyed one by one by an alien race. Jason Wander ... ... by Robert Buettner the first in the series and I enjoyed it immensely. No surprises', even fewer if you have read Starship Troopers or The Forever War. Not so much an imitation but a homage to those books.
Earth's cities are being destroyed one by one by an alien race. Jason Wan ... ... to explore how something might affect our society. Heinlein experimented with a few different social systems, such as Starship Troopers. Ursula LeGuin considered how instant communication without faster than light transportation would affect us. In Hyperion, Simmons imagined what ... #102, hey, it had Jeff Goldblum in it, besides someone posted Starship Troopers so I figured I was safe...
Beeg,
Okay, I've gotta give you Jeff Goldbloom. But man, oh man, there are worlds of difference between what Paul Verhoeven did with Starship Troopers and hackwork like Indepen ... ... know, I don't dislike T2 because of the gaping plot holes. I just don't like it much overall.
And I liked Robocop and Starship Troopers, so sometimes I do like to watch sh!t blow up. Ha. I left out my "controversial" favourites... one of which was Starship Troopers. The film is the only sane response to the book. also Lynch's Dune - it's a mess of an adaptation, and Lynch made some weird decisions over some of the material... but it evokes the feel of the book to a T. ... being very good.
Personal faves that are likely to stir some controversy: Close Encounters of the Third Kind and A.I., Starship Troopers... there's more, I just can't think of 'em now. I have not only the Starship troopers game, but also John Carter, Warlord of Mars, Dune (plus expansion kits), Captain Scarlet, plus a whole bunch of sf games by SPI and GDW (including all the ones for Traveller RPG, 2300AD and Space: 1889). Oh and I also have #4
At last I see someone else has the Starship Troopers game. Cool. Thirty years ago I was really looking for an opponent. ... Stranger in a Strange Land, such as, er, one of his juveniles? Been so long since I read anything by him. Oh, except for Starship Troopers, which I read last year and thought was a terrible and fascist. ... Book 1) by John G. Hemry
A rather well written military sci fi novel (first in a series of three)., in the line of Starship Troopers. Other people may know John G. Hemry as Jack Cambell the author of the on going Lost Fleet series.
The premise of the story is the U.S. wants to ... ... Galactic Hero by Harry Harrison what a pleasent find.
He spoofs almost every major sci fi book writen at that time. Starship Troopers, The Foundation Series, n and I'm sure there is more I don't Know about. It brought I smile to my face and even laughed out load a few times. I would ... ... Galactic Hero by Harry Harrison what a pleasent find.
He spoofs almost every major sci fi book writen at that time. Starship Troopers, The Foundation Series, Logans Run ad I'm sure there is more I don't Know about. It brought I smile to my face and even laughed out load a few times. I ... ... that have been showing up in several places in the US are Stranger in a Strange land, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and Starship Troopers. Sometimes all three are for political science courses but sometimes Stranger is assigned for lit classes. It just runs like water off of a duck's back ... >144-rest of Starship Troopers discussion:
Read that already. Also The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Stranger in a Strange Land, Time Enough for Love, To Sail Beyond the Sunset, I Will Fear No Evil, Job: a Comedy of Justice, Double Star, Farnham's Freehold, Expanded Universe, Fa ... If you want your views represented in Starship Troopers, then you have to volunteer for the military. The default condition is disenfranchisement (if there is such a word).
But... no argument about the book is ever going to be resolved. One side will find evidence of fascism in it, the other ... ... become wearying, and when he does have to describe something, he can fall short. The actual combat sequence at the end of Starship Troopers is not what I would call pulse pounding. Anticlimactic, more like. And as I've said here ( I think), his narrative pace doesn't have any gear shifts. ;) Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers as a response to and a warning to the plan that Eisenhower approved to keep testing nuclear bombs. That this could be a possible furture. Also the Idea of corperate punishment at all levels is an extention of this.
Also The definition of a fascist state also ... ... objectives of the Federation - i.e., the military - get the vote. And so perpetuate those objectives. And, as outlined in Starship Troopers, those objectives are expansionist, aggressive and militaristic.
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Arthur - you don't agree that the Terran Federation in Starship Troopers is fascist? As described in the novel, it clearly fits the definition. Whether that makes Heinlein fascist... I only suggested as much because Starship Troopers has little or no plot, so I could see no other ... ... characters have attitudes very much of the time the story was written in, but nothing one can't handle.
I've never read Starship troopers, but I have read The moon is a harsh mistress and consider it the best of Heinlein's work - and I read quite a lot of Heinlein when I was younger, both ... ... of my favorite SF novels of all time.Yes, I agree The Forever War is the better book, but I think it's important to read Starship Troopers. I just reread it for the first time since I was a kid, last year.
And keep in mind that Haldeman is a member of the Board of Directors for The Heinlein ... ... exact opposite. Finally read it after many years, and thought it was an even bigger joke than I had expected."
I found Starship Troopers to be interesting as well. Of course I don't agree with a number of conclusions in the novel. I also read your blog and don't really agree with that ... If you're going to read Heinlein I'd say read Starship Troopers, which I avoided for years and when I did read it I found it not to be the joke that people often suggest that it is. Right after that I'd read The Forever War as a counterpoint. Then read Foreigner, Startide Rising, and Old ... ... by Samantha Hunt
Today, I received my B&N mail order, thus adding:
The Good Soldier by Ford Maddox Ford
Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein
The Reluctant Fundamentalist by Mohsin Hamid
A Journal of the Plague Year by Daniel Defoe
The Impressionist by ... ... so here I am.
My 8 categories are:
Books made into movies
1) After the Hole by Guy Burt (finished 2/12/08)
2) Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein (finished 2/27/08)
3) Atonement by Ian McEwan (finished 3/4/08)
4) I Am Legend by Richard Matheson (finished 3/18/08)
5) The Ru ... ... a year or two ago. It was... terrible. I suspect I'd feel exactly the same about Heinlein - although I recently read Starship Troopers for the first time and wondered what had happened to the plot. A lecture on near-fascist government is not a novel according to any definition I'm aware ... ... of the Worlds; bloody excellent) and Scarlet Traces: The Great Game (sequel, and actually even better).
Then I read Starship Troopers and, yes, it is fascist.
Now I'm reading Into That Silent Sea, a non-fiction work about early astronauts and cosmonauts. I've noticed a ... This idea is a straight rip-off from Robert Heinlen's Starship Troopers!
It brings to mind the story of an aesthetic young man being buttonholed during WWI by an indigant old lady, who demanded:
'Young man, why are you not in uniform, fighting to defend civilisation?'
To which the young ... ... -- to those who have served in the military.
(1st this appears to be different than original question and isn't this Starship Troopers?
Beyond that, why does it have to be military service, if someone won't be subjected to doing the killing or put on the front lines, why does it have ... I see that you have Starship Troopers in your library. If you like military fiction of military SF take a look at the Seafort Saga by David Feintuch.
1. Midshipman's Hope
2. Challenger's Hope
3. Prisoner's Hope
4. Fisherman's Hope
5. Voices of Hope
6. Patriarch's Hope
7. ... Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers is a great bildungsroman. ... "Star Trek" when it was first on... and "Fireball XL-5" and "Astro Boy"...
Most of my peers recall reading Heinleins Starship Troopers and his more YA books. I was more into Stranger In a Strange Land. Also loved Frank Herbert's Dune. Before that, quite a few of Andre Norton ... ... be the ultimate military sci-fi book for me. I've read some of the other "classic" military SF books, such as Armor, Starship Troopers, and Ender's Game, and liked different things about each of them, but for me, The Forever War has everything and then some.
(Someone mentioned that ... ... I haven't myself seen the movie), Starship Troopers the movie is apparently totally unrelated to Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers. That's a pretty good book - not one of my favorites but a good Heinlein, with a lot about patriotism and duty and what is owed your country and yourself. ... ... I lost my copy long ago. I'd remembered vaguely that he operated under a lot of constraints in his 50's novels; Starship Troopers was ground-breaking not just because of its content, but because it gave RAH an excuse to break with a publisher/editor combination he really disliked and ... I finished it yesterday. This is only the second Heinlein I've read, the first having been Job. I picked up a copy of Starship Troopers recently, so I'll have to try that soon.
I really don't have much to say about this book. It was alright, I guess. The protagonist grated on me, and ... ... example, the 1960 Best Novel Hugo winner - well, I do not actually KNOW which title is original here, but it's listed as Starship Troopers (alt: Starship Soldier) by Robert A. Heinlein.) No, I don't think Sternenkrieger is a reasonable title for that work - I'm German but I don't ... Perhaps - but making Starship Troopers into a bad movie may have been enough damage for any author - not to mention the sequel!
Robert A. Mosher ... 7th grade. It was one of the few novels to have sex scenes in the elementary library. I would have chosen this novel over starship troopers to make into a movie. Any book on my shelves is a candidate to be reread. Some old favorites like Starship Troopers I read when I want a quick, familiar story. I reread The Iliad and The Odyssey about once every two years. It does help that new translations keep coming out. Sometimes I will just reread a ... I would be interested! I was perusing the Starship Troopers thread (I belong to the group that watched the movie, read the book, and did not feel a strong moral outrage - not that my views fall in line with Heinlein's.)
I will go request it from the library now! I just finished Starship Troopers, I actually like both the book and the movie. Granted the only thing the book had in common with the movie was the title and some of the character names.
I have always liked books that give a more human element to war. (Something I hope to never experience.)
I tried reading Starship Troopers and could never get into it. I guess because I saw the movie first, loved it, and the two are so completely different. Well, I started Starship Troopers a couple of days ago and finished it just before dinner. Here's a slightly elaborated version of the review that I posted (part of this elaboration may be considered a spoiler):
First of all: it's Heinlein. Some people don't like his prose style. If I didn't ... I didn't say Starship Troopers was particularly revolutionary, what I am saying is that, considering Heinlein's footprint on SF at that point in history, anything he wrote was read by EVERYONE in the field (he was by far the top selling author in the field at that time); he KNEW the book was ... #41
The move to less nuts & bolts SF started way before Starship Troopers. For example More Than Human by Theodore Sturgeon was published in book form in 1953. The same year as Blish's A Case Of Conscience. You could even add in The Space Merchants and Gladiator-at-Law by Pohl ... ... on Anarres.
As for the 'new age': this probably deserves a different thread but here's the gist:
About 1960, when Starship Troopers came out and stirred up everything in the SF 'ghetto' so wonderfully, quite a few writers rebelled from the 'SF with rivets' school the John W. Campbell ... >37 yes, concur that Amtep has the basics.
'soft science' hard SF candidates:
Dune
Starship Troopers (lots of hard science, too)
Stranger In a Strange Land
The Dispossessed
anything by Cherryh
Foundation
The main themes of all these are religion/history/politics. With ... I'm about to start Starship Troopers. I've picked up Double Star as well, to read after I get to Starship Troopers. 9> *raises eyebrow* I know about Starship Troopers. The book, anyway. All I know about the movie is that it was apparently barely even an attempt at having anything to do with the original. I know that a lot of people think that it glorifies war, apparently because either the movie confuses ... Well, I picked up Starship Troopers this morning. If B&N keeps sending 15% off coupons every couple of weeks, I imagine I'll be going back to grab some more. ... agreement with his publisher to produce 1 juvenile and 1 adult novel every year, roughly 1951-1959. This all blew up after Starship Troopers. He'd been at loggerheads with the editor for years, and he was just as happy to move elsewhere: Stranger In a Strange Land was the result.
I have ... I recommend Starship troopers because it's a classic, Job : a comedy of justice because it's brilliant, and Friday because it has the distilled essence of all of Heinlein's female characters.
... something by Kurt Vonnegut? I remember reading Cat's Cradle in high school and enjoying it very much. Heinlein's Starship Troopers would be another work worthy of consideration and perhaps Logan's Run as well. Well, if we're going to consider Heinlein, how about Starship Troopers (which could lead to some interesting comparisons with the news these days) or The Puppet Masters? Or both, since they're both short. ... new books that I just HAVE to read. Pity I didn't do that with the books listed above when I first got them :)
55. Starship Troopers This is not a bad book, but not nearly as good as I had been promised it would be.
56. The Japanese Bath Like cookbooks, I feel a little guilty ... I've read Lolita and Lady Chatterley's Lover. The only award winner I heard of was starship troopers. This is fun to see what has stood up to 50 years in the publishing world. ... Jaimie McPheeters by Robert Lewis Taylor.
National Book Award- The Magic Barrel by Bernard Malamud.
Hugo- Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein.
Edgar- The Grey Flannel Shroud by Henry Sleasar.
Booker, Nebula, PEN/Faulkner and others not yet on the scene.
... ... VOL 6 GN $10.95
RIDE HOME GN $8.95
RIVIERA MOON GODDESS GN (O/A) (MR) (A) $10.95
SCARFACE SCARRED FOR LIFE TP $19.99
STARSHIP TROOPERS DEAD MANS HAND TP (RES) (MR) $14.95
STRONTIUM DOG SEARCH DESTROY AGENCY FILES 02 GN $28.99
SUGAR SUGAR RUNE VOL 6 GN $10.95
TEACH ME XXX GN (A) $12. ... ... interesting Heinlein link which references something I brought up earlier in this thread:
"Almost half a century later, Starship Troopers continues to outrage, shock--and awe. It still has critics, but also armies of admirers. As a coming-of-age story about duty, citizenship, and the role of ... I recently gave up on Starship Troopers. I read it knowing that the movie, which I've seen and like, had little to do with it, but I didn't know the extent that was true. It turns out that, other than some names, and coincidental details, the only thing the two share is the name. I've tossed Animal Farm and Catch-22, although I'm planning on going back to Catch-22. I'm currently reading Starship Troopers, and I'm honestly not sure whether or not I'm going to continue it. I knew it was going to be different from the movie when I first started reading it, but it just ... ... one of RAH's manuscripts for publication.
And John Scalzi's Old Man's War was pretty much of a direct reply to Starship Troopers. ... one of RAH's manuscripts for publication.
And John Scalzi's Old Man's War was pretty much of a direct reply to Starship Troopers. ... of their history."
- The Fellowship of the Ring by J.R.R. Tolkien
"I always get the shakes before a drop."
- Starship Troopers, by Robert A. Heinlein
"I have a story to tell you."
- The Algebraist by Iain M. Banks
"It started in mud, as many things do."
- City ... ... voting as joke. :) That's the only really crap one I can see there, unless there were more Hubbard. Doubt I would pick Starship Troopers or IT or The Hunt For Red October though. :) I reckon Shogun would get on first.
It is certainly pretty useless to have as many Henry James ... ... Star Wars kids books, but in 7th grade, while playing D&D at a friend's house, his older brother gave me an old copy of Starship Troopers I then proceeded to read everything I could get by Heinlein, read all of the Star Trek novels I could find at the local used books store and then ... Today I bought an old copy of Starship Troopers, the actual Heinlein book, not a movie novelization (BLECH!) for $3 from Half-Price Books. Yesterday I bought a copy of the Atman Project by Ken Wilber. Started Starship Troopers last night, and I've been dipping into The Areas of My Expertise. Another visit to the closing local Waldenbooks yields Starship Troopers, Lost in a Good Book, Leave Me Alone, I'm Reading, and Make Love the Bruce Campbell Way ... Trek, Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica are all better as tv shows/movies than books. As for military sci-fi, the book of Starship Troopers is pretty good. Personally, I'm a fan of Ender's Game as well. While not strictly part of this sub-genre, it is great sci-fi, and could easily be ... I think Starship Troopers is pretty much the quintessentail "military sci-fi" novel.
Even if the movie was disappointing; except for Flores chest.
Of course, Flores was a male in the book. I started with my dad's E.E. "Doc" Smith's Lensman Series, Triplanetary. I wanted more, so I tried Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Didn't match up, but I liked the author so I read Stranger in a Strange Land. It was like someone turned the color on. I had never read anything like ... ... as well as deceptive argumentation. I think both the good and the bad sides of the genre are in evidence in Heinlein's Starship Troopers in respect of militarism. On a principally negative note, I'd suggest A Door Into Ocean largely relies on the constructed world to make the points Slo ... I hated the Starship Troopers movie but I love the book by Robert Heinlein
Oh and since I know somebody will eventually say this the Harry Potter books are better than the movies Just finished Starship Troopers and found it a bit meh, but maybe it's just not my kind of book. Now for a complete change with Local Hero by Nora Roberts bound with dual image as Truly Madly Manhattan, it's been fun so far. just finished winter moon and started into starship troopers. I know people have said that it's great (including my husband) but I'm finding it a bit of a trudge. ... Heinlein, J. Neil Schulman, L. Neil Smith, The Stars My Destination, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Starship Troopers, Cerebus. ... + fantasy: Dave Sim's Cerebus!
I'm sure there's plenty of libertarian SF out there, but the last Heinlein I read (Starship Troopers) isn't it, and I don't see Bester's The Demolished Man or The Stars My Destination fitting that description either. Perhaps I don't understand ...
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