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The Amnion from Donaldson's Gap Cycle.
The "piggies" from Card's Speaker for the Dead.
The hani, kif, and (especially) mahendo'sat from Cherryh's Chanur books. ... each new generation to aspire to continue our civilization.."
I just don't understand how the author for Speaker for the Dead a book which heavily advocates consideration of alternative viewpoints could have grown into such a tragically close minded senior. Sorry I haven't been on much...
But I'm glad your talk went well Mandy! I love Ender's Game, and especially Speaker for the Dead. They're both really great books, I'm so happy your group liked them! I finished Speaker for the Dead a little while ago, and I've moved on to the next book in my stack. time to update my TBR pile:
Speaker for the Dead
Furies of Calderon
Night Watch
Dragon and Thief
Un Lun Dun
Evil Genius
Peeps
Life As We Knew It
The Shape-Changer's Wife
Preludes and Nocturnes
The Hound of Rowan I finished Grave Peril last night, and now I'm about a third of the way through Speaker for the Dead. ... of the book is that they shouldn't have been, or at the very least, humanity's response to them was wrong. By the time Speaker for the Dead rolls around, Ender is a full-blown advocate for the "buggers", having created his Speaker movement in large part to honor and possibly revive the ... ... right now. Also it's full of Library books, which by their very nature have a short shelf life.
Seeing Redd
Speaker for the Dead
Furies of Calderon
Grave Peril
Night Watch
Dragon and Thief
Holdovers from the previous list are,
The Shape-Chang ... ... of reading to conquer. Next up looks to be Seeing Redd followed by either Grave Peril, Furies of Calderon, or Speaker for the Dead. ... skim? Personally, I hate to skip parts even on a reread, but I would skim in this situation.
MsD, have you read Speaker for the Dead? I keep going back and forth about continuing the Ender series. I really liked Ender's story as it was just in the first book. I don't want to be ... I think you need to read Speaker for the Dead. ... text defined ones but they're what it made me think about when reading about Ender and the Buggers.
I love the book, and Speaker for the Dead so I'm so glad you've got your reading group on it! I think Speaker For the Dead is one of the best books I've read, and the rest of the Ender Quartet is phenomenal, but I have to claim Treason as my favorite book of his. (I own both versions, and the revised edition is slightly better.)
Also excellent are Wyrms, The Worthing Saga, and Pa ... ... systems, here ninth grade is usually fourteen) in this district is required to purchase and read both Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, so I'm sure that skews the sales. ... it. I don't remember sensing any of the hateful views I read in Cliff's essay link. However, now I'm taking a class and Speaker for the Dead is one of the books we will be reading. I will have the chance to read one book "before" and one "after" I've been made aware of Card's personal views. ... ... my life was not the least bit enriched by reading Ender's Game. It wasn't a bad read, but it was mediocre. I thought Speaker for the Dead was actually a somewhat better book.
ETA: Which is to say, I figure you'll be fine if OSC languishes for a while longer in your TBR pile... 23>
I have fond memories of both Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, but knowing what I now know about Card's views I will never read either of them, or anything else by that hateful man, again. ... So I think it is in fact a great way to enter the genre. I was also warned to stop at Ender's Game and not bother with Speaker for the Dead. I didn't, and kind of regret it a little.
#1
I agree with you that the Foundation series shouldn't be recommended early on. And I should ... ... Bean (Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, etc.) is definitely in the running, with 'Old Valentine' (Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind) a potential upset for the win."
If characters could be touchstones, then it would read, "My favorite character ... ... growth of the party in the movie; it makes Pippen's future blunders a bit easier to handle.
6. Anyone else here read Speaker for the Dead, or Xenocide? Old Man Willow reminds me of the fathertrees that perform Quim's trial by fire, as it were. ... The Best Science Fiction of the Twentieth Century edited by Orson Scott Card (decent sampling from several periods)
Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card (read Ender's Game but never got around to this)
Neuromancer by William Gibson (never got past the first 50 pages or so)
Th ... Mrs. Lee and others, I'm not a huge fan of Ender, but I thought the next one, Speaker for the Dead, was much better. Ender is disgustingly wise but I enjoyed the other characters. If you liked EG you might want to give it a try. After that one the sequels got downright Herbertish, if you know ... ... pre-April...
1. Ceremonies of the seasons : exploring and celebrating nature's eternal cycle / Jennifer Cole
2. Speaker for the dead / Orson Scott Card
3. Song of the Magdalene / Donna Jo Napoli
4. Ender's Shadow / Orson Scott Card
5. Lost Highway / Richard Curr ... ... Names of God - Clarke
Out of the Silent Planet - Lewis
Philip K. Dick Reader* - Dick
Red Mars** - Robinson
Speaker for the Dead*** - Card
The Invisible Man - Wells
Time Machine - Wells
Wrinkle in Time - L'Engle
* I would definitely include a collection of Dick's ... ... of Plagues;Barth Anderson
2.Cradle of Splendor; Patricia Anthony
3. The Graveyard Game (The Company), Kage Baker
4.Speaker for the Dead (Ender Quartet); Orson Card
5.The Changes: A Trilogy; Peter Dickinson
6.Deep Wizardry;Diane Duane
7. The Sandman V. 1-10; Neil Gaiman
8.The C ... ... story, the idea of daisy, of coney island, of t.j. eckleberg, of the ash heaps. s
So wondrous, so resplendent.
22. Speaker for the Dead
This was LOVELY. The characters, the heart, it spoke to a different, slightly older age than mine, to those of the 70s, the 80s, who sought epics ... I loved Pastwatch and recommend it to many my high school students. In return, one of them lent me his copy of Speaker for the Dead and I just got totally caught up in the entire sociological study of the piggies. I have that book on my wish list. I'm reading some of the Prentice Alvin books ... 18. Ender's Game
I picked up this book (finally) at Ms. Meyer's recommendation. Apparently Speaker for the Dead, the second book in the series, is her favorite book. Going in, tracing back the influences on Twilight, it's, well... It's interesting. I feel like I'm on the hunt for something ... ... sell
A wrinkle in time by Madeleine L'Engle
That hideous strength : a modern fairy-tale for grown-ups by C. S. Lewis
Speaker for the dead by Orson Scott Card
Perelandra : a novel by C. S. Lewis
Heretics of Dune by Frank Herbert
Lord of light by Roger Zelazny
... to read the novel while young, since I was..uh...32....when I encountered it. I liked it enough to immediately pick up Speaker for the Dead. In the long run, it's definitely the better of the two. Then I made a wrong turn with OSC, dragging myself through his series that's a retelling of N ... ... was bad, just mediocre. Maybe it's one of those books that you ought to read first when you're younger. But...
#12: Speaker for the Dead, the sequel, I enjoyed much more. I'm glad my friend told me that he preferred this one, or I probably would never have given it a chance. I thought ... Narrowing it down to one favorite book is terribly tricky, but I am compelled to choose Speaker For the Dead by Orson Scott Card, a spectacularly well-written novel with both an exciting and original premise and a stunning execution. ... series that follow them. EG and its parallel telling in ES are Kids in Space with some thought-provoking stuff going on. Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind are much more about ethics and bioethics, whereas the later Shadow books are much more about international ... My favorite book of all time has to be Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card. If you haven't read Ender's Game it may be somewhat more difficult to undertand Ender Wiggin's character (lacking backstory) but Speaker is absolutely worth a look even if you haven't. Don't blame me if you ... My favorite novel has finally been narrowed down to Speaker For The Dead by Orson Scott Card, a fantastic book that I cannot help but see as having affected the way I look at life in a very positive way. ... someone else's perspective.
After that the books split off into two complete trilogies. One follows Ender and Valentine, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide and Children of the Mind.
The other follows Peter, Bean and some of the other characters, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Sh ... ... Drink/End of the World game is cool yet creepy. If you have any comments, please respond! P.S. Now I am reading book 2 (Speaker for the Dead) and I like it just as much as the first one. Don't tell me what happens! ... be interesting because of what happens at the end of this one. Light and fluffy and not too much thinking involved.
66. Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card - Wow. This is a fabulous book. I wasn't crazy about Ender's Game, but this definitely made up for it. From what I hear, Cathol ... ... by Douglas Adams (523)
The ultimate hitchhiker's guide by Douglas Adams (358)
Neuromancer by William Gibson (344)
Speaker for the dead by Orson Scott Card (282)
Children of Dune by Frank Herbert (253)
Dune messiah by Frank Herbert (266)
The restaurant at the end of the universe ... ... e.
I'm thinking of thing's like Stanislaw Lem's Solaris, and a lot of C.J. Cherryh's work, maybe Orson Scott Card's Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide, Gregory Benford's In Alien Flesh.
Any good ones? Short stories, novels, whatever. I'm interested in the attempt to represent ... ... Game too and have also read Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets and Shadow of the Giant and Speaker for the Dead. I loved them all, but especially the Shadow books. After Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow (which runs parallel) the books break off into two ... I finished Speaker for the Dead last week.
I was going to move on to Golden Compass and listened to about an hour of that, and then thought maybe I should have stuck with the Ender Saga so I was going to listen to Xenocide.
But then ended up listening to Twilight by Stephanie Meyer ... Finished Ender's Shadow yesterday and moved on to Speaker for the Dead. The Assize of the Dying by Ellis Peters
Frequent Hearses by Edmund Crispin
Speaker for the dead By Orson Scott Card
Buried for Pleasure by Emund Crispin
Death to the Landlords by Ellis Peters ... by Deborah Tannen
Tell Me a Riddle by Tillie Olsen
What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Menopause by John R. Lee
Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card Speaker for the Dead - Orson Scott Card
Appleby Talks Again - Michael Innes
Dead Men Do Tell Tales - William R. Maples
Conversations with Rabbi Small - Harry Kemelman
An Historical Anthology of Select British Speeches - Donald Cross Bryant (ed.) "It was too much for him."
Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card
I just finished Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card which I enjoyed much more than I expected and found it to be rather thought provoking. I just started Shoeless Joe by W. P. Kinsella and so far am not as enthralled as I thought I would be with it. 9. Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card
Yep, still skipping through the Ender Saga. They're pretty rapid reads and I'm busy working on stuff in the lab at Uni so I'm after good entertainment and nothing too taxing in the evenings right now. This one's my favourite of the 4 books though ... Most recently, I enjoyed Kevin Young's new collection, For the Confederate Dead.
This one really engages with the American poetic tradition in a way he's not done before (although I really enjoyed his poems about Basquiat, To Repel Ghosts.
The title poem engages both with Robert Lo ... I'm re-reading Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card at the moment and loving it as much as the first time. I'm not a sci-fi freak in particular, I read just about anything I'm in the mood for. This is sci-fi with more - I guess you still need to have the escapist frame of mind to be able ... Series I've quit -
The Ender Saga. Loved Ender's Game, thought Speaker for the Dead OK, and nearly did not manage to finish Xenocide. Bought the fourth but has yet to open it up.
Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. I thought the first one funny, but I cannot remember if I ever finished ... I loved Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead. Ender's Shadow was okay, but I did not like the rest of the series. I read the books thinking that they might get better. No such luck. Speaker for the Dead could be paired with the Ender's Game short story to give it some background, but otherwise as the Ender novels go, it stands pretty well on its own. ... parts of a series that would probably not stand alone well. Specifically, City of Golden Shadow by Tad Williams or Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card. Maybe Dune could work? I'll take suggestions for this one.
And I'd throw in some short stories to cover any gaps and some ... ... much (a book I bought when visiting New Orleans, a town which I found VERY un-Ricey, appro pos #2 etc.), went on to read Speaker for the Dead and though it OK, then on to Xenocide, which I hardly could bring myself to finish. Bought Children of the Mind anyway but have never been able to ... #10 - There are several books in the "Ender Series".
Ender's Game
Speaker for the Dead
Xenocide
Children of the Mind
Then you have the "Shadow Series".
Ender's Shadow - parallel novel to Ender's Game
Shadow of the Hegemon
Shadow Puppets
Shadow of the Giant
There ... I loved Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. I've read it three times. Ender's Shadow was good. Even Speaker for the Dead was good. I was very disappointed in the rest of the series. I read them because I had to finish the series. I thought if I kept reading that the books would get ... I agree with reading_fox on the sequels to the first HItchiker-book. Also, I can possibly stand Speaker for the dead, the sequel to Ender's game, but after that it's just too much (Xenocide and Children of the Mind). I know a lot of people disagree with me, but this is how I feel.
I'm ... Ender's Game will always be high on my list because it was the book that got me started on Card's work. But Speaker For the Dead remains my favorite of his Ender series. The conflict with Jane literally made me cry.
For some reason Treason has always stuck with me. I don't remember the ... unclebaldrick, we seem to be kindred spirits. Speaker for the Dead is my favorite OSC work, narrowly edging out Pastwatch. Lost Boys used to be a favorite, but I haven't read it in a while. ... since I don't have all my books up yet).
So far:
blacwolve/Lynnet: I own the first three HP books, Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Sunshine (I love Robin McKinley's books and this was no exception), Alanna: The First Adventure, Dealing with Dragons, and Street Magic; I ... unclebaldrick, you have a good point about Speaker for the Dead. A lot of the most interesting content in the Ender series comes out there. I'm not sure I'd say it's better, but I would say it's probably a bad idea to try to separate Ender's Game from it, which some readers do. Ender's Game might be his most intense work, and certainly among the best, but I think Speaker for the Dead is even better. For absolute best, though, I'd have to step out of the Enderverse, and agree with kukkorovaca: Pastwatch.
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