Plato
Author of The Republic of Plato
About the Author
Plato was born c. 427 B.C. in Athens, Greece, to an aristocratic family very much involved in political government. Pericles, famous ruler of Athens during its golden age, was Plato's stepfather. Plato was well educated and studied under Socrates, with whom he developed a close friendship. When show more Socrates was publically executed in 399 B.C., Plato finally distanced himself from a career in Athenian politics, instead becoming one of the greatest philosophers of Western civilization. Plato extended Socrates's inquiries to his students, one of the most famous being Aristotle. Plato's The Republic is an enduring work, discussing justice, the importance of education, and the qualities needed for rulers to succeed. Plato felt governors must be philosophers so they may govern wisely and effectively. Plato founded the Academy, an educational institution dedicated to pursuing philosophic truth. The Academy lasted well into the 6th century A.D., and is the model for all western universities. Its formation is along the lines Plato laid out in The Republic. Many of Plato's essays and writings survive to this day. Plato died in 347 B.C. at the age of 80. (Bowker Author Biography) show less
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Series
Works by Plato
The Apology, Phaedo and Crito of Plato / The Golden Sayings of Epictetus / The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius (1909) 1,653 copies, 4 reviews
The Collected Dialogues of Plato, Including the Letters (Bollingen Series LXXI) (1961) 1,344 copies, 11 reviews
The Dialogues of Plato: Apology; Crito; Euthyphro; Phædo; Protagoras; Meno; Symposium; Gorgias, Part III (1986) 564 copies, 3 reviews
The Last Days of Socrates: Euthyphro; Apology; Crito; Phaedo (Penguin Classics) 440 copies, 2 reviews
Selected Dialogues of Plato: The Benjamin Jowett Translation (Modern Library Classics) (2000) 197 copies, 1 review
The Dialogues of Plato. Volume 1: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno, Gorgias, Menexenus (1937) 184 copies
Opera: Volume I: Euthyphro, Apologia Socratis, Crito, Phaedo, Cratylus, Sophista, Politicus, Theaetetus (1922) 158 copies, 1 review
Plato on Poetry: Ion; Republic 376e-398b9; Republic 595-608b10 (Cambridge Greek and Latin Classics) (1996) 156 copies, 2 reviews
Selections from Protagoras, Republic, Phaedrus, Gorgias (Essential Thinkers Series) (2004) 149 copies
Alcibiades I and II ; Charmides ; Epinomis ; Hipparchus. Lovers ; Minos ; Theages [Greek Text] (1927) 139 copies
Opera: Volume III: Theages, Charmides, Laches, Lysis, Euthydemus, Protagoras, Gorgias, Meno, Hippias Major, Hippias Minor, Io, Menexenus (1922) 126 copies
Plato : Phaedrus: A Translation With Notes, Glossary, Appendices, Interpretive Essay and Introduction (Focus Philosophical Library) (2003) 121 copies, 1 review
Opera: Volume II: Parmenides, Philebus, Symposium, Phaedrus, Alcibiades I and II, Hipparchus, Amatores (1963) 110 copies
Alcibiades; Lysis; Phaedrus; Symposium; Selections from Laws and Republic [Plato on Love] (2006) 99 copies
Skrifter Bok 1, Sokrates försvarstal ; Kriton ; Euthyfron ; Laches ; Den mindre Hippias ; Gästabudet ; Faidon ; Gorgias (0427) 70 copies, 1 review
Plato's Dialogue on Friendship: An Interpretation of the "Lysis', with a New Translation (Agora Editions) (1979) 56 copies, 1 review
Opera: Volume V: Minos, Leges, Epinomis, Epistulae, Definitiones (Oxford Classical Texts) (1963) 41 copies
Apology of Socrates and Crito, With Extracts from the Phaedo and Symposium and from Xenophon's Memorabilia (1980) 40 copies
Charmides; Cratylus; Euthydemus; Ion; Lysis; Menexenus; Meno; Phaedrus; Protagoras [Writings: Book 2] (0427) 39 copies, 1 review
Diálogos I Platón: Apología de Sócrates, Critón, Eutifrón, Hipias Menor, Hipias Mayor, Ion, Lisis, Cármides, Laques y Protágoras (2019) 37 copies, 1 review
Skrifter. Bok 4, Parmenides ; Theaitetos ; Sofisten ; Statsmannen ; Timaios ; Kritias ; Filebos (0427) 32 copies, 1 review
Teokset. Toinen osa : Gorgias ; Menon ; Meneksenos ; Euthydemos ; Kratylos / suomentaneet Marja Itkonen-Kaila, Pentti Saarikoski, Marianna Tyni (1978) 30 copies
Platon. Sämtliche Werke Bd. 3: Kratylos, Parmenides, Theaitetos, Sophistes, Politikos, Philebos, Briefe. Übers. v. Friedrich Schleiermacher. (2004) 26 copies
Defensa de Sòcrates: Critó. Eutífron. Laques (Els clàssics de la Bernat Metge) (1931) 25 copies, 1 review
Alcibiades 1, Alcibiades 2, Hipparchus, Lovers, Theages, Charmides, Laches, Lysis (English) 24 copies
Socrates and the Sophists: Plato's Protagoras, Euthydemus, Hippias and Cratylus (Focus Philosophical Library) (2010) 24 copies
Skrifter. Bok 6, Den större Hippias ; Alkibiades 1-2 ; Hipparchos ; Rivalerna ; Theages ; Kleitofon ; Brev ; Om det rätta ; Om duglighet ; Demodokos ; Sisyfos ; Eryxias… (0427) 23 copies, 1 review
The Works of Plato 21 copies
Oeuvres complètes, Tome I: Introduction. Hippias mineur. Alcibiade. Apologie de Socrate. Euthyphron. Criton (1920) 20 copies
The Best Known Works of Plato: Including The Republic, The Symposium and many Famous Passages (1942) 20 copies
Platonis Opera, ed. John Burnet 18 copies
Complete Dialogues of Plato (26 dialogues) The Republic, Crito, Laws, Symposium, Gorgias, Phaedrus & more (mobi) (2010) 16 copies
Plato: Dialogues on Love and Friendship: Lysis, or Friendship; The Symposium; Phaedrus (1979) 16 copies
Apologia de Sòcrates. Critó. Eutifró. Protàgores: Traducció de Joan Crexells (LABUTXACA) (2008) 15 copies
Plato Aristotle Lucretius -- The Great Books -- Second Year # 4, 5, 6 (The Great Books, Volume Three) (1955) 14 copies
Platão 11 copies
Platón: La República / Diálogos (Gorgias, Fedón, El banquete) (Obras selectas series) (Spanish Edition) (2013) 11 copies
The Socratic Dialogues: Early Period, Volume 1: The Apology, Crito, Charmides, Laches, Lysis, Menexenus, Ion (2017) — Author — 11 copies
Ion, Timeo, Critias / Ion, Timaeus, Critias (Biblioteca Tematica / Thematic Library) (Spanish Edition) (2004) 10 copies
Dialogues on Love & Friendship 9 copies
Platonis opera 9 copies
Plato, with an English translation 9 copies
Plato Six Pack: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, The Allegory of the Cave and Symposium (2017) 9 copies
Le Banquet, Platon - Prépas scientifiques 2018-2019 - Edition prescrite - Thème philosophie (2018) 9 copies
Symposium feest, Sokrates verdediging, Kriton sokrates in de dodencel, sterfscene uit Faidon (2013) 8 copies
Plato, Dialogues and On Love and Friendship, Lysis, or Friendship, The Symposium Phaedrus (1968) 8 copies
Cartas e Epigramas 8 copies
2: Politico : Parmenide : Filebo : Simposio : Fedro : Alcibiade : Alcibiade secondo : Ipparco : Amanti (1997) 8 copies
Charmides, Alcibiades I and II, Hipparchus, the Lovers, Theages, Minos, Epinomis: English Text 8 copies
Oeuvres complètes. Tome V. 1º partie. Ion. Menexène. Euthydème. Texte etabli et traduit par Louis Meridier (2017) 8 copies
Diàlegs 7 copies
Plato Apology of Socrates and Crito, With Extracts from the Phaedo and Symposium and from Xenophon's Memorabilia (Greek and English Edition) (1898) 7 copies
Oeuvres complètes, Tome XIII.3: Dialogues Apocryphes (Du Juste. De la Vertu. Démodocos. Sisyphe. Eryxias. Axiochus. Déinitions) (2003) 7 copies
The dialogues of Plato 7 copies
"The Works of Plato: A New ; Literal Version, Chiefly from the Text of Stallbaum, Vol.1" (1881) 7 copies
The Socratic Dialogues Early Period, Volume 2: Gorgias, Protagoras, Meno, Euthydemus, Lesser Hippias, Greater Hippias (2017) — Author — 7 copies, 1 review
The Socratic Dialogues: Late Period, Volume 1: Timaeus, Critias, Sophist, Statesman, Philebus (2018) 7 copies
Carta VII (Em Portuguese do Brasil) 7 copies
How to Talk about Love: An Ancient Guide for Modern Lovers (Ancient Wisdom for Modern Readers) (2025) 7 copies
On Socrates: Selections from Plato: Charmides, Lysis, Laches, Symposium, Apology, Crito, Phaedo; Aristophanes: The Clouds; Xenophon: Symposium (2009) 6 copies
Collected Works of Plato 6 copies
Plato: Republic I-III [Greek Text] 6 copies
Plato's epistemology and related logical problems; (Selections from philosophers) (1972) 6 copies, 1 review
The Works of Plato: Complete and Unabridged in One Volume: With a New and Original Translation of Halcyon and Epigrams by Jake E. Stief (2018) 6 copies
Keur uit zijn werken 6 copies
Sophist 6 copies
The Socratic Dialogues Middle Period, Volume 1: Symposium, Theaetetus, Phaedo (2017) — Author — 6 copies, 1 review
Platonis Opera 5 copies
Plato - Selected Dialogues - The Franklin Library - Death of Socrates Frontispiece - 1983 Edition (1983) 5 copies
Oeuvres complètes, Tome XIII.2: Dialogues Suspects (Second Alcibiade. Hipparque. Minos. Les Riveaux. Théages. Clitophon) (2003) 5 copies
Diálogos. Banquete, Fedro, Fedón / Dialogues: Symposium, Phaedo, Phaedrus (Spanish Edition) (2019) 5 copies
Eryxias 5 copies
Alcibiades 2 5 copies
Πλάτωνος διάλογοι 5 copies
Teeteto - Crátilo 5 copies
Plato's Seventh & Eighth Letters 5 copies
Charmides ; Lysis ; Meno 5 copies
The worlds of Plato and Aristotle 4 copies
The Dialogues of Plato, Vol. I 4 copies
Rival Lovers 4 copies
Dialogues of Plato: containing the Apology of Socrates, Crito, Phaedo, and Protagoras (2017) 4 copies
Dialogues of Plato 4 copies
Critias 4 copies
The Works of Plato 4 copies
La Repubblica: Passi scelti e annotati con introduzione e sommaria esposizione del dialogo (1984) 4 copies
The works of Plato; 4 copies
The Socratic Dialogues Middle Period, Volume 2: Phaedrus, Cratylus, Parmenides (2017) — Author — 4 copies, 1 review
The Dialogues of Plato: Selections from the Translation of Benjamin Jowett — Author — 4 copies
Sokrates' leven en dood Feest (Symposion), Euthyfron, Sokrates' verdediging, Kriton, Faidon (2020) 4 copies
Axiochus 4 copies
Demodocus 4 copies
Samlede verker B. 3 Hippias minor ; Hippias maior ; Euthydemos ; Gorgias ; Menon ; Menexenos (2006) 4 copies
A república - parte I 4 copies
De jacht op de sofist : Plato's reactie op Herakleitos en Parmenides in enige capita selecta (1992) 4 copies
9: Indici 4 copies
Meno ; Phaedrus ; Symposium 4 copies
Lettere 4 copies
The great ideas of Plato 4 copies
Dialogues. Translated into English with analyses and introductions by B. Jowett Volume 4 (2009) 4 copies
Diàlegs 3 copies
Halcyon 3 copies
On Justice 3 copies
Protágoras - Górgias - Fedão 3 copies
Hipparchus 3 copies
The works of Plato abridg'd: with an account of his life, philosophy, morals, and politicks. 3 copies
Diàlegs 3 copies
Complete Works 3 copies
The Euthydemus of Plato 3 copies
Diàlegs. 3 copies
The Works of Plato. A New and Literal Version, Cheifly from the Text of Stallbaum. Vol II [2] Containing the Republic, Timaeus and Critias (1854) 3 copies
Diálogos: Mênon - Banquete - Fedro 3 copies
Five Great Dialogues 3 copies
A república - parte II 3 copies
Platonis opera recognovit brevique adnotatione critica instruxit Ioannes Burnet - Tomus I Fasc. I: Euthyphro Apologia Socratis, Crito, Phaedo (1917) 3 copies
Dialoghi socratici 3 copies
Diàlegs 3 copies
Plato X: The Laws I 3 copies
Platão. Quatro Diálogos (Alcibíades Segundo Teages, Dois Homens Apaixonados, Clitofonte) (2022) 3 copies
Diálogos VII 3 copies
The Republic, edited by James Adam 3 copies
Platone: dialoghi 3 copies
The Works of Plato, Volume 1 (The Franklin Library's 25th Anniversary Collection of the Great Books of the Western World (1979) 3 copies
Plato's "Letters": The Political Challenges of the Philosophic Life (Agora Editions) (2023) 3 copies
Platon Sämtliche Werke Bd. 3 3 copies
Platonis Opera, Vol. 5: Tetralogiam IX Definitiones et Spuria Continens; Pars I (Classic Reprint) (2018) 3 copies
The Dialogues of Plato : translated into English with Analyses and Introductions by B Jowett in five volumes vol.I, Third Edition (2009) 3 copies
Convivium Phaedrus 3 copies
Dialoghi: Eutifrone, Apologia di Socrate, Critone, Fedone, Assioco, Jone, Menone, Alcibiade, Convito, Parmenide, Timeo, Fedro (1997) 3 copies
Dialoguri 3 copies
Diálogos III - A República 3 copies
Platon. Sämtliche Werke Band 2 3 copies
Platōnos apologia Sōkratus : mit e. Einf., textkrit. Apparat u. Kommentar hrsg. von Franz Josef Weber (1990) 3 copies
Scholia Platonica 2 copies
Plato's Republic Bk I. 2 copies
Cratylus 2 copies
Sokratese apoloogia ; Phaidon ; Kriton ; Pidusöök ; Charmides ; Phaidros ; Euthyphron (2017) 2 copies
Il pensiero politico di Platone 2 copies
The Great Books Fourth Year Volume One Confucius : the Analect Selections; Plato : the Republic Books VI-VII (1956) 2 copies
Why so,Socrates? A dramatic version of Plato's dialogues: Euthyphro,Apology,Crito,Phaedo (1964) 2 copies
Ipparco 2 copies
Eutifron. Apologia de Socrates e Criton de Platao - Obras IV (Em Portugues do Brasil) (2019) 2 copies
Grandes Obras Del Pensamiento 2 copies
Oeuvres de Platon 2 copies
Clitophon ; Republic 2 copies
Cratylus ; Menexenus [Translation] 2 copies
Fedon 2 copies
The dialogues of Plato: Translated into English with analyses and introductions - Vol. 3 (2016) 2 copies
Fedone: A cura di Manara Valgimigli 2 copies
Obras 2 copies
Teeteto ou da ciencia 2 copies
Diálogos II: Gorgias, Menéxeno, Eutidemo, Menón, Crátilo (Nueva Biblioteca Clásica Gredos nº 1) (Spanish Edition) (2016) 2 copies
Euthyphro 2 copies
Platonis Opera: Tomus IV 2 copies
Platonis Opera I 2 copies
Il Gorgia 2 copies
Platonis Dialogi (text) 6 vols. 2 copies
Works of Plato: Volume I 2 copies
Meno; translated by Benjamin Jowett 2 copies
Platonis Opera: Vol. II 2 copies
Eutifrone 2 copies
Izbrani dialogi in odlomki 2 copies
Sämtliche Werke. Erster Band 2 copies
Platonis Dialogi, Vol. 2: Graece Et Latine; Partis Tertiae (Classic Reprint) (Latin Edition) (2017) 2 copies
Cratylus; Euthydemus; Gorgias; Meno; Parmenides; Phaedo; Phaedrus; Protagoras; Symposium; Theaetetus [Middle Dialogues] (2008) 2 copies
Eutífron, Apologia de Sócrates e Críton, de Platão: Obras IV (Textos) (Portuguese Edition) (2023) 2 copies
Il Critone 2 copies
Plato Dialogues Collection 2 copies
Pagine di poesia 2 copies
Complete works [Greek text] 2 copies
La république livres IV-VII 2 copies
Fine Talk at Agathon's: A Version of Plato's "Symposium" Together with an Essay on the Dialogue (1992) 2 copies
Fedone 7-12-1 2 copies
Filebo (o del placer) 2 copies
Matinya socrates 2 copies
Euthyphron ; Apologie de Socrate 2 copies
Il simposio 2 copies
Oeuvres de Platon. Ion, Lysis, Protagoras, Phèdre, Le Banquet, Traduction Nouvelle, Avec Des Notices Et Des Notes, Par E. Chambry (1919) 2 copies
محاورات أفلاطون 2 copies
The Complete Works of Plato: Socratic, Platonist, Cosmological, and Apocryphal Dialogues (2023) 2 copies
Epigrams of Plato 2 copies
On Virtue 2 copies
Apologia di Socrate 2 copies
Plato 2 copies
The Complete Works of Plato 2 copies
Timeu 2 copies
Sämtliche Werke 1 Apologie, Kriton, Protagoras, Hippias II, Charmides, Laches, Ion, Euthyphron, Gorgias, Briefe 2 copies, 1 review
Sämtliche Werke, Band 1: Apologie. Kriton. Protagoras. Ion. Hippias II. Charmides. Laches. Euthyphron. Gorgias. Briefe. (1957) 2 copies
Statesman 2 copies
Laws 2 copies
Sisyphus 2 copies
Definitions 2 copies
[Opere] 2 2 copies
Euthydemus; Hippias maior; Hippias minor; Ion; Gorgias; Meno; Protagoras; Menexenus; (2019) 2 copies
Συμπόσιο 2 copies
Gorgias. Revised Text with Introduction and Commentary by E.R. Dodds. Clarendon Press / Sandpiper 1981. (1981) 2 copies
Opere complete. 6. Clitofonte, La Repubblica, Timeo, Crizia (Platone. Opere complete) (2019) 2 copies
Dialogos 2 copies
Platonis dialogi v 2 copies
Plato's "Letters": The Political Challenges of the Philosophic Life (Agora Editions) (2023) 2 copies
Lexique 2 copies
Collected Works : Vol. 3: Theages, Charmides, Laches, Lysis, Euthydemus, Protagoras, Gorgias, Meno 2 copies
Theages-Euthy-demus-Hippias Major 2 copies
Dialouges Of Plato 2 copies
Theages 2 copies
Alcibiades 2 2 copies
Apology ; Phaedo ; Phaedrus ; Philebus ; Protagoras ; Sophist ; Symposium ; Theaetetus (2016) 2 copies
Samlede verker, bind 3. Hippias minor ; Hippias maior ; Euthydemos ; Gorgias ; Menon ; Menexenos 2 copies
Diálogos VII. Dudosos, Apócrifos, Cartas (Biblioteca Clásica Gredos nº 162) (Spanish Edition) 2 copies
Ιων = Ion. Ιππιας ελαττων = Hippias II. Προταγορας = Protagoras. Λαχης = Laches. Χαρμιδης = Charmides. Ευθυφρων = Euthypron.… (1977) 2 copies
Sämtliche Dialoge 2 copies
Phaidon - Philebos. Anhang: Theages. Die Nebenbuhler Alkibiades, der sog. Erste. Menexenos Hippias. Das grössere Gespr (1987) 2 copies
DIALEGS XIII 2 copies
Charmides - Euthyphron - Parmenides. Anhang: Des Sokrates Verteidigung - Kriton - Ion - Hippias, Das kleinere Gespräch (1989) 2 copies
The Dialogues of Plato, Vol. III 2 copies
Plato Selected Dialogues 2 copies
Talks with Athenian youths;: Translations from the Charmides, Lysis, Laches, Euthydemus, and Theaetetus of Plato (1891) 2 copies
A Alegoria da Caverna 2 copies
Samlede værker i ny oversættelse; bind I: Euthyphron, Sokrates' forsvarstale, Kriton, Phaidon, Kratylos, Theaitetos, Sofisten (2013) 2 copies
Le Socialisme en Grece 2 copies
Platão 2 copies
[Platone] 1 2 copies
Euthydemus. Protagoras 2 copies
The Dialogues of Plato, Vol. IV 2 copies
Charmides. Laches. Lysis 2 copies
סוקרטיס ומשנתו : מתוך כתבי אפלטון 2 copies
The dialogues of Plato. v. 4. Parmenides. Theaetetus. Sophist. Statesman. Philebus.-- (2015) 2 copies, 1 review
The Dialogues of Plato, Vol. II 2 copies
Diàlegs 2 copies
Plató. 2 copies
Republic, book I 2 copies
Apología de Sócrates 2 copies
Apology ; Crito ; Republic I-II 2 copies
סוקרטיס ומשנתו : מתוך כתבי אפלטון 2 copies
Diàlegs. VI 2 copies
Defesa de Sócrates ; Ditos e feitos memoráveis de Sócrates ; Apologia de Sócrates ; As nuvens 2 copies
Dialogen 2 copies
The Education of the Young in the Republic of Plato; Translated into English with Notes and Introduction (2017) 2 copies
The dialogues of Plato / Vol. 2 2 copies
The dialogues of Plato / Vol. 3 2 copies
Diàlegs 2 copies
The dialogues of Plato / Vol. 4 2 copies
Devlet I-II 2 copies
Sofista Político 2 copies
El Banquet. 2 copies
Parmènides Teetet. 2 copies
Plato Complete Works: Vol II 2 copies
Plato Complete Works: Vol I 2 copies
Symposion / Symposion: Kommentar (Aschendorffs Sammlung lateinischer und griechischer Klassiker) (1975) 2 copies
Diálogos: Fedon, o de la inmortalidad del Alma. El banquete, o del amor. Gorgias, o de la retórica 2 copies
Le banquet ; Phèdre 2 copies
Plato's Philebus 2 copies
The Influential Classics Collection: The Republic and the Prince (Capstone Classics) (2015) 2 copies
Dialogues of Plato, Volume I 2 copies
Euthyphron & Kriton 2 copies
Sokrates'Forsvarstale. 2 copies
Dialogues Of Plato 2 copies
Diyaloglar 1 2 copies
Excerpts From Plato's Republic 2 copies
Plato Complete Works: Vol IV 2 copies
Verzameld werk. Dl. 3: Timaeus ; Critias ; Philebus ; De wetten ; Epinomis ; Betwiste geschriften ; Niet authentieke ges (1999) 2 copies
Platon Protagoras: Eingeleitet, ubersetzt und erlautert von Bernd Manuwald (SAMMLUNG PHILOSOPHIE) (2006) 2 copies
Plato Complete Works: Vol III 2 copies
Tutto Platone volume 2 1 copy
Leggi (III-VI) 1 copy
Leggi (I-II) 1 copy
Dialoghi apocrifi 1 copy
Storie (libro primo) 1 copy
Tutto Platone. 2 voll. 1 copy
Leggi (XI-XII) 1 copy
Dialoghi filosofici 7-10-1 1 copy
Repubblica 7-12-1 1 copy
Repubblica 7-12-2 1 copy
Tutto Platone vol 1 1 copy
Dialogi. T. 1 1 copy
Hippias Major ou Du beau 1 copy
CARMIDE, BELLI 1 copy
Hippiasz Mniejszy 1 copy
Dialogi. T. 2 1 copy
El Banquete, Fedon, Fredo 1 copy
REPUBBLICA VOL.2 1000 1 copy
Platone. Eutifrone. Apologia di Socrate. Critone. Fedone; Assioco. Jone. Menone. Alcibiade. Convito. Parmenide. Timeo. Fedro (2008) 1 copy
Samdrykkjan 1 copy
Dialoghi: Menone 1 copy
La Repubblica - libri VIII-X 1 copy
Dialoghi dubbi 1 copy
Eutyfron 1 copy
T?MA?OS 1 copy
Alcibiades ; Meno 1 copy
Opere, Voll. 1-2 1 copy
L'Eutifrone: il Critone 1 copy
Opere complete Volume 3 1 copy
Il filosofo e il problema politico. La lettera 7ª e l'epistolario (I libri dei filosofi) (1989) 1 copy
Szókratész pöre 1 copy
Dialoghi : IV : Fedone 1 copy
La république (VII-VIII) 1 copy
La Repubblica : Libro VII 1 copy
Platon. El banquete 1 copy
DİYALOGLAR 1 1 copy
Kritias | Atlantis Üzerine 1 copy
Antologia socratica: elenchistica e protrettica in Socrate (dall'Alcibiade primo e dall'Eutidemo) 1 copy
Eutifrón 1 copy
Hipias Menor 1 copy
La defensa de Socrates: Edición bilingüe y comentario filosófico de Miguel García-Baró (2023) 1 copy
Diàlogos 1 copy
Sokrates'in Savunmasi 1 copy
Charmides, Lysis, Laches 1 copy
Oeuvres completes II 1 copy
Opere complete. 2 Voll. 1 copy
La République - livre V 1 copy
Skrifter Bok 4 Parmenides ; Theaitetos ; Sofisten ; Statsmannen ; Timaios ; Kritias ; Filebos 1 copy
The Writings of Plato 1 copy
[Opere] 1: Opere 1 copy
Platone Simposio 1 copy
Platone [Opere di] 1 copy
Meno ; Phaedo ; Protagoras 1 copy
La Repubblica: libro primo 1 copy
Platão Diálogos III 1 copy
Libro X della Repubblica 1 copy
Passi scelti dal Fedone 1 copy
Opere V. Republica 1 copy
Ultimi giorni di Socrate 1 copy
Yasalar 1-2 1 copy
Dialoghi 1 copy
La Repubblica. Volume 2 1 copy
Yến hội ở Phaeorus 1 copy
Fedón (Spanish Edition) 1 copy
Platone vol. III 1 copy
The Axiochus and Plato; 1 copy
Tutte le opere - Vol.I - Eutifrone, Apologia di Socrate, Critone, Fedone, Cratilo, Teeteto, Sofista 1 copy
Socrate e la Virtù : vol. 4 della collana Classici Compact Filosofia Antica per Spiriti Moderni 1 copy
MENESSENO, SCHIASSI 1 copy
El banquete; Fedón; Fedro 1 copy
Oeuvres complètes 1 copy
Opere complete 4 1 copy
Obras completas 1 copy
Diálogos Tomo 3 1 copy
Obras Completas 1 copy
Socrates 1 copy
Teeteto-Gorgias 1 copy
EL BANQUETE FEDÓN 1 copy
Diálogos ; Fedón̤ o de la inmortalidad del alma ; El banquete o del amor ; Gorgias o de la retórica 1 copy
Diálogos : Fedón, o de la inmortalidad del alma el banquete, o del amor gorgia, o de la retórica 1 copy, 1 review
Aprender a pensar: Platón 1 copy
כתבי אפלטון 1 copy
מינון 1 copy
פלאטאנ'ס דיאלאגן 1 copy
כתבי אפלטון כרך שני 1 copy
כתבי אפלטון כרך שלישי 1 copy
כתבי אפלטון כרך רביעי 1 copy
כתבי אפלטון כרך ראשון 1 copy
כתבי אפלטון, כרך שני 1 copy
Verzameld werk. Dl. 2: Protagoras, Cratylus, Symposium, Phaedo, Theaetetus, Parmenides (1999) 1 copy
Dialogos 1 copy
The Works of Plato 1 copy
Menon; Cratio; Fedón 1 copy
Fedón y Critón (Comic) 1 copy
Diálogos V 1 copy
Diálogos 1 copy
La república II 1 copy
Defensa de Sòcrates 1 copy
Georgias 1 copy
Menón ; Crátilo ; Fedón 1 copy
DIÁLOGOS 1 copy
Pensées 1 copy
Diálogos: Teeteto - Sofista 1 copy
Diálogos. Tomo VI 1 copy
Diálogos vol. 4 : República 1 copy
Diálogos II. 1 copy
Autores Selectos Platon 1 copy
Oeuvres complètes, vol. 2 1 copy
OBRAS MAESTRAS 1 copy
Defensa de socrates 1 copy
DILOGOS DE PLATN 1 copy
El banquete, Fedro 1 copy
El banquete - Fedón - Fedro 1 copy
Oeuvres completes, vol. 1 1 copy
El Banquete ; Fedón ; Fedro 1 copy
Diálogos. Volumen II 1 copy
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Reviews
Rereading this again after being mind fucked into obsessing over 'mental procreation' after middle school is so fun. It was a nice little valentines week re-read and I forgot how hilarious this book was until Aristophanes started going off with his human ball centipede situation. I bet all of them would have so much fun on Feeld, queer polycule gathering together at a wine party to talk about beauty and mpreg? So liberal/arts school lolll I need a modern day equivalent of this but lesbians.
This was my first experience reading Plato, and it was an interesting one. I would be lying if I said I wasn’t relieved to have finished reading it, but I would also be lying if I said I didn’t like it because I do like it, sort of.
It’s an odd book to rate, written as it was more than two millennia ago (~375 BCE). The paradigms that governed Plato’s worldview are difficult to grasp. I kept reminding myself that back then they simply didn’t know some of the things I take for granted show more (like that germs cause disease and that slavery is neither necessary nor unavoidable), and even so I feel like I only have the barest edge of an understanding of where he was coming from.
In the Republic, a bunch of guys are hanging out talking while eating dinner and waiting to go to a torch race. It must be a very long dinner because they cover a lot of ground in their conversation and seem to have forgotten all about the torch race by the end.
They start out arguing about the nature of justice and just action, and that turns into an argument about whether the just man or unjust man is likelier to lead a happy life and gain material rewards. Having accepted that acting justly is better than acting unjustly, a couple of the guys say, “You know, the best way to do it is to act unjustly so you can get all of the wealth you can get through dirty dealings, but to have everyone think you’re a just man so you can have the good reputation along with the riches.”
And because there was no television back then, they end up creating a whole utopian society governed by philosopher kings (and queens, although Plato seems to keep forgetting that he included women in the mix of rulers) and in which marriage lasts only a week or two at most and there are no families and all children are raised by the community. Children consider their parents’ entire generation to be fathers and mothers, and their parents’ generation considers all children to be their sons and daughters. In order to maintain this utopian society, the rulers control the common folks in part by myths and deception and by only exposing them to stories and songs that promote the kinds of values they want in their society, and in part by rewarding bravery in battle with more chances to reproduce. It was all very Brave New World.
My notes are filled with comments like, “Is this a joke?”
And there are funny bits to it, like this exchange:
But I think Plato is pretty serious about all of this. He’s realistic in his expectation that a society like the one he’s imagined is unlikely to ever exist in reality, but he seems convinced that his utopia really is the ideal society.
The part I enjoyed the most was the Simile of the Cave. Plato uses this story to represent the way in which the life and understanding of the common man differs from that of the philosopher. In it, people are held prisoner within a cave, chained up so that they can see only right in front of them for their whole lives. Behind them is a fire and a road, but while they can see the shadows cast on the wall before them by those traveling the road, they can see neither the fire nor the road itself. Their entire existence is made up of shadows and reflections; they never get to see the true objects of the world. The prisoners believe this is all the world is until one day, one of them is set free and can look around.
Even when he sees that what he’s thought was real is only a shadow, he continues to turn away from what’s real and back to the shadow because it’s what he knows and because the light of the fire is too bright for him to look at. You can imagine what happens when this fellow sees the world outside of the cave.
There’s a lot more to the simile than that, but I really found this idea of shadows and reflections intriguing. I think about the shadows to which we turn in our modern lives: television shows, movies, the Internet. These things aren’t real things but merely the shadows of real things. Plato argues that no good comes from these shadows (which in his day were lyric poetry and stage dramas rather than Breaking Bad and Duck Dynasty, but it’s the same basic concept), that they serve only to distract us with petty amusement. I wouldn’t go quite that far; I think that music, movies, books, and other amusements have the potential to lead us to deeper (or perhaps loftier) thinking and can help us to live better, more compassionate lives, but I agree with Plato that these things can also have the effect of causing us to see the world in such a way that we don’t act in the best---wisest, most compassionate, most just---way possible. For this reason, we have to be careful what we choose to consume, media-wise and not consume it passively, so that we can always be reaching for goodness and wisdom.
One of my favorite passages explains what happens when we don’t do this:
To be our best selves and to have “real fulfillment,” we must always seek what’s real and true in this life and strive always towards wisdom goodness.
That is, if we want to be our best selves and achieve real fulfillment, which I suppose is also open for debate, but the guys in the Republic would have to order more dinner rolls and probably some wine, too.
This, to me, is the reason to read Plato. His Republic doesn’t contain ideas we can---or should---apply to our lives and our societies right out of the box, but we can turn around and contemplate the admittedly wacky ideas it presents. Plato’s ideal society is seriously impractical (and, to me at least, undesirable), but reading about it prompts me to consider what it is that I think is wrong with the idea. Why couldn’t it work? Why shouldn’t it work? And if not Plato’s utopia, what’s a better alternative?
And even more than this, I ask myself, am I basing my life on shadows and reflections rather than on things that are real and true? If I am, is this a bad thing or not? And if it’s a bad thing, what am I going to do about it? show less
It’s an odd book to rate, written as it was more than two millennia ago (~375 BCE). The paradigms that governed Plato’s worldview are difficult to grasp. I kept reminding myself that back then they simply didn’t know some of the things I take for granted show more (like that germs cause disease and that slavery is neither necessary nor unavoidable), and even so I feel like I only have the barest edge of an understanding of where he was coming from.
In the Republic, a bunch of guys are hanging out talking while eating dinner and waiting to go to a torch race. It must be a very long dinner because they cover a lot of ground in their conversation and seem to have forgotten all about the torch race by the end.
They start out arguing about the nature of justice and just action, and that turns into an argument about whether the just man or unjust man is likelier to lead a happy life and gain material rewards. Having accepted that acting justly is better than acting unjustly, a couple of the guys say, “You know, the best way to do it is to act unjustly so you can get all of the wealth you can get through dirty dealings, but to have everyone think you’re a just man so you can have the good reputation along with the riches.”
And because there was no television back then, they end up creating a whole utopian society governed by philosopher kings (and queens, although Plato seems to keep forgetting that he included women in the mix of rulers) and in which marriage lasts only a week or two at most and there are no families and all children are raised by the community. Children consider their parents’ entire generation to be fathers and mothers, and their parents’ generation considers all children to be their sons and daughters. In order to maintain this utopian society, the rulers control the common folks in part by myths and deception and by only exposing them to stories and songs that promote the kinds of values they want in their society, and in part by rewarding bravery in battle with more chances to reproduce. It was all very Brave New World.
My notes are filled with comments like, “Is this a joke?”
And there are funny bits to it, like this exchange:
[Question] "Any story or poem narrates things past, present, or future, does it not?”
[Answer] “There is no alternative.” (86)
But I think Plato is pretty serious about all of this. He’s realistic in his expectation that a society like the one he’s imagined is unlikely to ever exist in reality, but he seems convinced that his utopia really is the ideal society.
The part I enjoyed the most was the Simile of the Cave. Plato uses this story to represent the way in which the life and understanding of the common man differs from that of the philosopher. In it, people are held prisoner within a cave, chained up so that they can see only right in front of them for their whole lives. Behind them is a fire and a road, but while they can see the shadows cast on the wall before them by those traveling the road, they can see neither the fire nor the road itself. Their entire existence is made up of shadows and reflections; they never get to see the true objects of the world. The prisoners believe this is all the world is until one day, one of them is set free and can look around.
“If he were made to look directly at the light of the fire, it would hurt his eyes and he would turn back and retreat to the things which he could see properly, which he would think really clearer than the things being shown him.” (242)
Even when he sees that what he’s thought was real is only a shadow, he continues to turn away from what’s real and back to the shadow because it’s what he knows and because the light of the fire is too bright for him to look at. You can imagine what happens when this fellow sees the world outside of the cave.
There’s a lot more to the simile than that, but I really found this idea of shadows and reflections intriguing. I think about the shadows to which we turn in our modern lives: television shows, movies, the Internet. These things aren’t real things but merely the shadows of real things. Plato argues that no good comes from these shadows (which in his day were lyric poetry and stage dramas rather than Breaking Bad and Duck Dynasty, but it’s the same basic concept), that they serve only to distract us with petty amusement. I wouldn’t go quite that far; I think that music, movies, books, and other amusements have the potential to lead us to deeper (or perhaps loftier) thinking and can help us to live better, more compassionate lives, but I agree with Plato that these things can also have the effect of causing us to see the world in such a way that we don’t act in the best---wisest, most compassionate, most just---way possible. For this reason, we have to be careful what we choose to consume, media-wise and not consume it passively, so that we can always be reaching for goodness and wisdom.
One of my favorite passages explains what happens when we don’t do this:
”Those, therefore, who have no experience of wisdom and goodness, and do nothing but have a good time, spend their life straying between the bottom and middle in our illustration, and never rise higher to see or reach the true top, nor achieve any real fulfillment or sure and unadulterated pleasure. They bend over their tables, like sheep with heads bent over their pasture and eyes on the ground, they stuff themselves and copulate, and in their greed for more they kick and butt each other because they are not satisfied, as they cannot be while they fill with unrealities a part of themselves which is itself unreal and insatiable.” (327)
To be our best selves and to have “real fulfillment,” we must always seek what’s real and true in this life and strive always towards wisdom goodness.
That is, if we want to be our best selves and achieve real fulfillment, which I suppose is also open for debate, but the guys in the Republic would have to order more dinner rolls and probably some wine, too.
This, to me, is the reason to read Plato. His Republic doesn’t contain ideas we can---or should---apply to our lives and our societies right out of the box, but we can turn around and contemplate the admittedly wacky ideas it presents. Plato’s ideal society is seriously impractical (and, to me at least, undesirable), but reading about it prompts me to consider what it is that I think is wrong with the idea. Why couldn’t it work? Why shouldn’t it work? And if not Plato’s utopia, what’s a better alternative?
And even more than this, I ask myself, am I basing my life on shadows and reflections rather than on things that are real and true? If I am, is this a bad thing or not? And if it’s a bad thing, what am I going to do about it? show less
Magnesia, Plato's proposed city of ultimate virtue, sounds like an authoritarian nightmare. You have marriage inspectors ensuring you procreate correctly, strict travel and trading restrictions, and you better not even think of performing an unapproved poem!!
This seems directly opposed to the characteristics he admired in Socrates - a man who made it his mission to challenge authority and make the powerful look ridiculous - a man who was willing to die to achieve this.
This being possibly a show more later work of Plato, it perhaps demonstrates a character arc common to revolutionaries, and humans in general. We're willing to rage against the old-fashioned fuddy-duddies of our time, but once we're the ones in power, suddenly the new generation of change-makers become the problem.
There are, however, a few aspects of Magnesia that seem progressive to our point of view. Women have a sort of equality, despite still being considered a generally less worthy class than men. The treatment of criminals is focused on rehabilitation where possible, although execution is considered a mercy to villains who cannot be reformed.
Like a lot of Plato's works, it probably works best as a starting point for discussion on the various topics that it covers. Read it out to a friend and see how long they can last without arguing back. Maybe you'll figure something out. show less
This seems directly opposed to the characteristics he admired in Socrates - a man who made it his mission to challenge authority and make the powerful look ridiculous - a man who was willing to die to achieve this.
This being possibly a show more later work of Plato, it perhaps demonstrates a character arc common to revolutionaries, and humans in general. We're willing to rage against the old-fashioned fuddy-duddies of our time, but once we're the ones in power, suddenly the new generation of change-makers become the problem.
There are, however, a few aspects of Magnesia that seem progressive to our point of view. Women have a sort of equality, despite still being considered a generally less worthy class than men. The treatment of criminals is focused on rehabilitation where possible, although execution is considered a mercy to villains who cannot be reformed.
Like a lot of Plato's works, it probably works best as a starting point for discussion on the various topics that it covers. Read it out to a friend and see how long they can last without arguing back. Maybe you'll figure something out. show less
Phew. That was a bit of a marathon, but we got there. I must confess I'm a little bit Plato-ed out at this point.
Another older edition, so we get the extra fun of learning about social attitudes of the 1950s as well as the -400s! In this case, the introduction comments on Plato's plan for eugenic breeding of his Republic's guardian stock, not because eugenics is a bad idea in and of itself, but because Plato's plan for it is impractical. Similarly, in response to Plato's "radical equality of show more the sexes", our introduction comments that while most people would see value in some measure of equality for women, we wouldn't want to go too far, am I right fellas?
Anyway, enough about that. We're here for Plato. This is another "Socratic dialogue", written in the style of a conversation between Socrates and some guys he met on his way home from the harbour. The back-and-forth style pretty much seems to be dropped after the initial chapters however, and Socrates is given free rein, while poor Glaucus's contributions are limited to finding as many ways as possible to phrase "I agree". I was hoping Thrasymachus would charge back in with a chair at the last minute to annihilate Socrates, but sadly he gives one argument and then fades into the background forever.
Plato's ideal society is...questionable...at best. My response is perhaps best summed up as 50% "this guy is mistaking his personal quirks for universal truths", and 50% "we really haven't changed, have we?"
Under Column A we have one of Plato's/Socrates' most radical proposals - abolish marriage and the family, because wouldn't society be so much better if we weren't being obligated to have sex with women all the time?
Right guys? Guys?
In fact, sex itself should be limited to periodic festivals in which the Guardians select the best couples to breed (but lie to the losers that it's a chance lottery, even while arguing that the best ruler is one who values truth above all else). You can kiss and cuddle with boys though. But that's it. Anything more and you'll be distracted from the real pleasures of life.
Under Column B we have his proposal for strict media control. One of the fun things about reading Greek literature in chronological order is seeing how later authors respond to and build on the works of the previous ones. Shockingly, Plato wants to CANCEL Homer, due to his portrayal of gods and heroes as flawed individuals who behave badly! These kind of portrayals will ruin the minds of the youth and lead to all kinds of degeneracy! If he were alive today he'd be right at home cancelling videogames or purging school libraries.
He also rails on poets, who won't be allowed in his utopia, because their work sits at a "third remove from truth". I ended up scratching my head as Plato damned the work of playwrights and actors as useless and damaging...in the form of a fictional dialogue??
Also under Column B is (the philosopher) Plato's conclusion that the only sort of people perfectly qualified to rule a city are....surprise! Philosophers! And the only reason people criticise philosophers now is because they're just too stupid to understand how great philosophers really are!
I don't really think I got anything of philosophical value directly from this book. However, it's a great conversation starter if you read with people, since many of the arguments are so spurious that you just have to argue, which means you actually have to think. Maybe I'm making the mistake of assuming Plato intended this dialogue to represent reality, when in fact he well knew that he could get no closer than two or three degrees...and it's up to the reader to find the truth for themselves. If so, it's a marvelous success! show less
Another older edition, so we get the extra fun of learning about social attitudes of the 1950s as well as the -400s! In this case, the introduction comments on Plato's plan for eugenic breeding of his Republic's guardian stock, not because eugenics is a bad idea in and of itself, but because Plato's plan for it is impractical. Similarly, in response to Plato's "radical equality of show more the sexes", our introduction comments that while most people would see value in some measure of equality for women, we wouldn't want to go too far, am I right fellas?
Anyway, enough about that. We're here for Plato. This is another "Socratic dialogue", written in the style of a conversation between Socrates and some guys he met on his way home from the harbour. The back-and-forth style pretty much seems to be dropped after the initial chapters however, and Socrates is given free rein, while poor Glaucus's contributions are limited to finding as many ways as possible to phrase "I agree". I was hoping Thrasymachus would charge back in with a chair at the last minute to annihilate Socrates, but sadly he gives one argument and then fades into the background forever.
Plato's ideal society is...questionable...at best. My response is perhaps best summed up as 50% "this guy is mistaking his personal quirks for universal truths", and 50% "we really haven't changed, have we?"
Under Column A we have one of Plato's/Socrates' most radical proposals - abolish marriage and the family, because wouldn't society be so much better if we weren't being obligated to have sex with women all the time?
Right guys? Guys?
In fact, sex itself should be limited to periodic festivals in which the Guardians select the best couples to breed (but lie to the losers that it's a chance lottery, even while arguing that the best ruler is one who values truth above all else). You can kiss and cuddle with boys though. But that's it. Anything more and you'll be distracted from the real pleasures of life.
Under Column B we have his proposal for strict media control. One of the fun things about reading Greek literature in chronological order is seeing how later authors respond to and build on the works of the previous ones. Shockingly, Plato wants to CANCEL Homer, due to his portrayal of gods and heroes as flawed individuals who behave badly! These kind of portrayals will ruin the minds of the youth and lead to all kinds of degeneracy! If he were alive today he'd be right at home cancelling videogames or purging school libraries.
He also rails on poets, who won't be allowed in his utopia, because their work sits at a "third remove from truth". I ended up scratching my head as Plato damned the work of playwrights and actors as useless and damaging...in the form of a fictional dialogue??
Also under Column B is (the philosopher) Plato's conclusion that the only sort of people perfectly qualified to rule a city are....surprise! Philosophers! And the only reason people criticise philosophers now is because they're just too stupid to understand how great philosophers really are!
I don't really think I got anything of philosophical value directly from this book. However, it's a great conversation starter if you read with people, since many of the arguments are so spurious that you just have to argue, which means you actually have to think. Maybe I'm making the mistake of assuming Plato intended this dialogue to represent reality, when in fact he well knew that he could get no closer than two or three degrees...and it's up to the reader to find the truth for themselves. If so, it's a marvelous success! show less
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