The Kindle thing
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I am a lover of books - the paper, the font, the feel, the smell, the cover etc.
Kindle means nothing to me, it is blasphemous to my book loving eyes...
How do you feel about it?
I love mine. But it's not a book. So, mixed feelings.
I love it because I can change the font size and the line spacing, and the spaces between the words, which is nice because I'm no Spring chicken.
I love being able to download a book instantly on purchase rather than wait for it to arrive in the mail or schlep down to the library for it, which is nice because as I say, I'm no Spring chicken.
And they're cheaper than print editions.
I love it because I can haul hundreds of books around in my bag and it only weighs a few ounces, and that I don't have to wrestle the weight of a big book as I read which is nice because as I believe I may have mentioned, I'm no Spring chicken.
But sometimes even as I'm enjoying my Kindle, I grieve the feel of paper under my fingers, the smell of a book, and the printer's art.
Also, misprints in books make me crazy. Some Kindle editions are really, really bad in that regard. I'm reading a psychology book right now that has a space between the "e" and the "l" in "help" every single time the word appears, which is pretty frequently in a therapy manual!
I see your points but I actually enjoy the fact I have a book coming in the post, I adore the library and I love carrying books around. Maybe I was born in the wrong era...or am I just a little old fashioned?
As much as I admire the technology of the readers and all the neat convenient things about them that make them so likeable, I still haven't put my hard earned money down to invest in one (because I know as soon as I do the darn thing will be obsolete because the next generation will come along and be better, cheaper, or something!) I do have the Nook app on my laptop, that's enough for now.
I'm patient enough to wait for a book to arrive in the mail (it's so nice to get something other than bills and junk in the mail!)
Libraries are a treasure chest of culture...
A book will outlast the digital files in the gadget that will only last for as long as it's electronic parts last.
I still love a solid book, and will always publish mine as such.
I agree...bills and junk are not great so waiting for a book is exciting!
I really would love to be a librarian as I just love libraries so much, a wealth of knowledge and excitement!
I have a Kindle and I really like it. This is not to say that I don't like tree-sourced books - a whole lot - but there is a lot to be said for the convenience of sticking the Kindle in your handbag (purse) and having something to read at the bus stop. I read a lot of out-of-copyright stuff which I can download free. If I find something I really like, I can decide to buy it hard copy if I want.
It isn't an either/or - in my case, it's both.
I love my Nook, I love being able to download public domain stuff. There's a lot of early 20th-century mysteries out there that are terrific. I can download a dozen books, read the first couple of chapters, decide if I want to continue with them, delete or shift the files as necessary, then grab a dozen more. The feeling of book gluttony is marvelous.
And considering the production quality of a lot of books today, my Nook may last as long as some paper books--and no tree died for the dozen books waiting for me.
I honestly don't understand people who have an "either/or" mentality. I adore my Kindle. I've spent way more on books, and supported way more authors, since buying it. On the other hand, I still buy paper books from my favorite authors as "keepers." I like paper books, but they're not practical. I usually have at least two books going at once. My bath/bed book, which is paper, and my purse book, on my Kindle.
I have purse books and bed books, too! The latest book from the library is likely in my purse, I've got a pile by the bed, and my Nook is in my purse as well in case the library book doesn't appeal right that second--or if I'm eating something with a lot of crumbs at lunch. It's easier to whisk the crumbs off the screen of the Nook than to get them all out of the library book.
I have bed books, bath books, purse books (usually those are books of poetry), and so far, only old favorites that I have paper book copies of are in ebook format...
I have bed books (the hefty hardbacks), commuting/purse books (mass-market/trade paper), and the Nook for vacations so I don't have to pay for extra luggage! Actually I want to start using the Nook more, just have so many dead-tree books to get through, that I hesitate to load up the Nook.
Every electronic form of reading spells the end of books, but the books keep coming and always will. Some use Kindle to screen books (my latest costs 10 dollars on kindle and 24 euros hardcover--I don't blame Kindlers for going that route).
Felt like you do about Kindle. After all, a book is sacred. Until my wife got one. Now I absolutely love it. Suggest you give it a try. You may well be very pleasantly surprised.
#6 AuntiCatherine - I'm with you. I have pure unequivocal love for both my Kindle and tree-books.
>12 RickHarsch: No, you're right, the Kindle/Nook/iPad doesn't spell the end of books, just of Libraries. Soon, you'll have to buy all your books.....
#16 There are systems in place that allow libraries to loan digital books.
No Kindle for me, but I have the Kindle app on my iPhone, and it is nifty. Having it spares me from loading down my already achey middle-aged shoulders by carrying a book in my bag; when I travel, I can go lighter also. I first used it for a reread of War and Peace, which even in the paperback form, was unwieldy, and I've continued to use it for reading things that are enormous in book form -- right now I'm in the middle of Rebecca West's Black Lamb and Grey Falcon. There are other huge books I would LIKE to read this way but that aren't available as e-books, most notably at the moment Parade's End by Ford Madox Ford.
But I still prefer real books, and most of my Kindle app use happens on the subway, when traveling abroad, and when eating out alone in restaurants -- which I do pretty often.
I've also learned, after staying up late with it to finish a collection of William Trevor stories, that reading from it in bed apparently leads to insomnia, so I haven't done that again. (This probably isn't the case with an actual Kindle, which, unlike the iPhone, isn't back-lit.)
I wouldn't want a Kindle, because I don't need another device to carry around, but the iPhone app really is a great little item, and as I already had the iPhone and am never without it, it adds a whole other dimension of useability to the device.
Yikes - you must have magnificent eye-sigh #18. The thought of reading anything longer than a short-story on my iPhone makes my eyes water.
At least with the Kindle I can adjust the print size and I can see more than a couple of sentences without having to page down.
The font size is adjustable on the Kindle app for iPhone as well. It's very easy to read.
I felt like a traitor when I got my kindle. To be honest, I don't use it very often, but it is very handy to have, especially if you have to do a lot of reading for school. I use it on trips or when I am reading multiple books at a time, but, obviously, I prefer reading an actual book to reading off a kindle.
These days I'm anywhere from 60-70% Kindle to 30-40% print. It's probably a result of cost because with e-books I can find a lot of great reads under $5. I prefer trying new authors under $5 unless a lot of friends recommend. The local Value Village and used book stories are also good sources for paperbacks and hardcover books.
It's rare, but I'll still buy a new paperback once in awhile. The $10+ price tag for many new trade paperbacks is becoming reader-prohibitive IMO, as I can find 3 or 4 great used paperback reads for that price or e-books. Also, I prefer the more square-size paperback then those longer vertical books. I'm not sure what publishers were thinking with those longer books?
I also have an iPhone I've read a couple books on (I Am Ozzy, the non-fiction book for one). I don't know that I could read a fiction novel on the iPhone but non-fiction or short stories are comfortable to read on there. Especially if you have a quick five minutes of downtime, you probably don't have your paperback handy but the phone is always nearby.
The Kindle is a good reading device. E-ink is easy on the eyes and low glare factor in the sun (much better than the backlit e-readers like the iPad). Also, I can highlight my favorite quotes and passages and share with other Kindle readers quotes and passages. If enough people share quotes/passages then they appear on Amazon so other readers can see what most people are highlighting. This opens up a somewhat new digital dimension (for me, anyway) to reading and sharing books that I hadn't experienced before.
As a reader, I was skeptical about getting a Kindle, but I too love the access to public domain books (and low-cost ebooks) when and where I want them. Sure, the device itself may not have longevity, but my e-library will always be accessible from the next device that comes along.
As an independent author, I find it impossible to ignore the explosion in ebook popularity and the apparent increase in e-sales vs. paper. Plus, it's providing readers greater access to entertaining authors that may have never seen a bookshelf had they been forced through the traditional publishing wringer. But, I digress. Go Kindle! ;)
Hi everyone - it's good to see others working their way thru the Kindle v.s. actual books. In the last couple of months I discovered word games and Solitaire for the Kindle, maybe not such a good idea for a reader, now I'm back to real books only - I need to get the games off, they eat up time and my TBR list does not go down.
>17 LShelby: Sure, there's Overdrive and the like, except that most of them don't support Kindle yet, (which is the most used e-reader) and some of the publishers will only let you 'loan' the book out what, 26 times before your library/consortium has to buy it.... again. There are real books in the library that have gone out hundreds of thousands of times and are still in one piece (not too many, they tend to wear out in the hundreds but still) and you don't have to buy a new 'copy' every year.
It may not be today, or tomorrow, but e-books are the screw you from the publishers/book sellers (and by that I mean Amazon and B&N) and e-reader makers to libraries and will kill libraries eventually.
Hey, I know they're not going anywhere. I'm just mourning for my job and for all the librarians of the future who have been promised jobs and the promise to be able to help people as a librarian and instead will find people telling them that 'oh, we have google, and wikipedia, and the kindle, we don't need you anymore' and then those readers will realize that they have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to get what the library gave for 'free' (yes, I know tax support as well, but, do you really think that property taxes or whatever taxes support libraries in your town will go down if the library closes, I think not).
In my life I've probably read enough books, watched enough DVDs, listened to enough CDs, etc from the library to be out at least $50,000-$65,000. And that's not counting the magazine subscriptions, or newspaper subscriptions that are gigantic rip offs these days. I know that in this economy if I had to.... buy.... every book that I wanted to read, even at e-book rates, well, I wouldn't, 'cause I need to eat and have health insurance etc. And how about the kids who go through picture books like swiss cheese, are their parents going to buy them hundreds of picture books on whatever little kids kindle like thing Amazon comes out with? Really?
Anyway, I hope I'm wrong. Perhaps the publishers/Amazon (the line is blurring) will do something selfless and actually work with the libraries so that e-books can circulate just like real books, but.... somehow I doubt it. This is their chance to totally turn the profit margins for them and cut out the libraries for the most part, and they're doing it pretty succesfully. Just wait until they have everyone only using Kindles/Nooks/whatever and then they, oops, raise the prices....
I just want to point out that there are a lot more eReader options than the Kindle. It always irritates me when people conflate the entire field with that single monopolistic, censoring, DRM-tainted choice.
You've missed out on the latest news, my friend. Amazon already HAS a program starting this fall, having signed on with about 40,000+ libraries nationwide to offer ebooks on loan. The program is still being fleshed out but you can read the Press Release about it on Amazon's website. I covered this for my column.
I love both and I have both. But I can't carry my library around with me. So I have my Kindle. Lots less to lug around with me. And I always have books in my purse when I want to read.
I do most of my ereading on my computer, so I use the Kindle app and Calibre. Away from the computer, I read on my iPod Touch, using Stanza. I'd love something just a bit bigger that will hold more text on a page, but I don't plan to get a Kindle. Maybe a Kobo reader some day. But I can adjust fonts and sizes on the Touch, and page turns are very fast, so I don't really have much in the way of complaint.
I stopped using my local library long before I got into ereading. It's a small place with not much of a selection in the areas I'm interested in. Using interlibrary loan is a real pain because you never know when or if the book will ever arrive, and it usually arrives when you're busy reading something else. Plus I like to mark and dog ear my books, so library books are pretty frustrating. The Kindle app is great for bookmarking, highlighting, and making notes, and it's much easier to find those notes than thumbing through a print book.
I think that blaming ebooks for the demise of libraries is ridiculous. For those who aren't aware of it, more libraries are being affected by budget cutbacks, and by attempts at privatization, than by ebooks.
>28 JesseVCoffey: ......they --say-- that it's coming this fall. For overdrive, etc, etc. Well, I haven't seen it yet, so, when I see it, I'll believe it.
> 29 And why do you think there are cut backs, because those in power have bought into the faulty notion that 'oh, you can get everything you need from Amazon on the Kindle, oh, or you can Google it'..... People don't respect libraries anymore, and so they think that they don't need them. Well, when we're gone, everyone will figure out that now the publishing business has the consumer by the....... pocketbooks and can charge whatever they want and there's nothing anyone can do about it but go without or go bankrupt. Maybe there'll be a 'book stamp' program or something like that. One book every six months.......
Is it going to happen tomorrow, no, will it happen in my lifetime (I'm not yet middle aged). My bet is yes it will. And the United States will be poorer for it.
Daniel, library budgets are being cut back as part of an overall attempt to balance budgets. State funding cuts affect libraries as well as other areas of local government. It has nothing to do with Amazon or lack of respect. Municipalities keep what they think is most important, and that's usually sports rather than libraries. That kind of prioritizing existed long before Amazon came on the scene. It's just worse now, because so many states are at or close to bankruptcy.
And considering that the publishing industry is in big trouble right now, I doubt that the reduction in library services will allow them to grab anybody by the b---.
I use both Kindle and 'real' books too. The future may be that Kindle & other electronic devices will be used for reading ephemera - such as most paperback contemporary fiction - while the printed book will become more of a deliberate choice to own, with a quality of production to match the quality of content. So we'll have Kindles & their ilk for carrying around with us, reading on the way to work etc., & physical books on our bookshelves, for reading & treasuring at home. That's one possible scenario anyway.
Virginia, I can't see that kind of division. For one thing, ebooks are allowing me to delete classic novels that are taking up room on my shelves, and still have them available. I'm also finding that I really like reading nonfiction on my Kindle app because it's so easy to make notes (and find them again), set bookmarks, and have instant lookups for word definitions. I normally dog ear my books, underline them and make notes in the margins, but finding exactly what I want when I go back to a book is a pain in the butt. With the Kindle app, I just open the sidebar and there are all my notes and underlines, with their exact locations.
>32 Virginia_Rounding: I can see that. Although I see it another way. In the future printed books are for those in the future who can afford it, and
>32 Virginia_Rounding:/34 First of all. D-a-n-i-e.... no L, I'm female, and I have never ever met a male who spells Danny with an i-e. Danie, not Daniel....
Secondly. I know that it's not just Amazon. I'm not saying that it's directly e-books that are killing libraries. What I'm saying is that the people in power are a) either using e-books as an excuse to cut funding. Or b) really think that e-books are somehow more cost effective, blah, blah, blah for the average American.
Sorry about the name goof, Danie. One of those cases of skimming too quickly and seeing what you think is there.
But I have to ask whether there's really any evidence that ebooks are being used as an excuse for cutting library funding. Frankly, considering how unaware the general public is of the growing number of ebooks and readers (people, not devices), I kind of doubt that the people in charge of budgets are more savvy than average.
I believe I will be going the way of the Nook too. I like that it's got so many features that I can use, especially when running around.
That being said, I will never give up my books. I love having a stack by my bed and libraries...bliss.
I think there is room for both in the world of the reader of today.
I used to claim I would never switch to an eReader but I was falling into the trap. Reading isn't about paper vs. eInk, it's aobout the story. I have a Kobo touch now and I really enjoy being able to read a novel while holding my sleeping infant. You can't do that with a paper book unless you're a Cirque du Soleil acrobat.
Nice to be able to take a couple hundred books on vacation with you as well.
This reminds me of the video where a monk is having trouble with his new flat book:
I like the feel of books, particularly my own. I see them as a product and I like the way they come out. But I feel the same way with all books. I like the glossy covers on paperbacks and the jacket's of hardbacks, the more fanciful the science fiction images the better. Many of the covers of classic science fiction books have become classics in their own right.
But I also like to read on the computer using the Kindle application, or just from a PDF, simply because it is easy and I can make the font larger for my tired old eyes. It is also an easy way to pick up old favourites for free, so that they can be re-read to delight me once again.
I have a car, but I like to walk.
I like real books, but I do have Kindle for PC and do buy a few that way to see if I like a particular author.
I have also self-published three books and published 11 on Kindle, so mixed feelings there. Kindle seems to be a good way for new authors to get their book out there if they don't have enough cash to self-publish or until a publisher decides to buy one of their books.
I don't like the aesthetic of the Kindle. Something about the plastic look. I own one of the old Sony Readers, and I've been pretty happy with it for fiction. It doesn't do footnotes, or other non-linear elements well. I miss the physicality of books when I'm reading non-fiction, especially reference materials. There's just something about the built-in review of "I know what I need is about here." Or having a book flop open to what you use the most.
I tend to read impulse buys and non-fiction as "real" books, and premeditated, recreational reading on the e-book.
I'm also starting to appreciate the privacy factor with an e-book, now that it's not the newest, shiniest piece of tech on the planet. If you have a library like mine, those paperbacks can get you into some pretty strange conversations.
>I don't like the aesthetic of the Kindle. Something about the plastic look. I own one of the old Sony Readers, and I've been pretty happy with it for fiction.
I bet someone's made a wood-paneled eReader. I'm not sure that'd ever work in the mass market, but it would be a unique product.
>I miss the physicality of books when I'm reading non-fiction, especially reference materials. There's just something about the built-in review of "I know what I need is about here." Or having a book flop open to what you use the most.
Yeah, the biggest thing I miss with ebooks is the super-easy flipping back and forth through pages.
>42 einhorn303: e-reader modding? Awesome! It's amazing the number of things that "because I can" is justification for.
I just bought a Nook, and am loving it for recreational reading...but I won't stop buying paper, and totally agree with karhne about non-fiction--I have a strong visual memory, and if I'm researching a topic, being able to remember that I read so-and-so fact a third of the way down a page on the left side of a certain book is a big aid to research. :) I also like to have physical copies of books by favorite authors. So yes, both for me.
I don't own a kindle but I have the kindle app for my android. To me, nothing is better than holding a good, old-fashioned book in my hands. But in kindle's defense, I discovered a duo of self-publishing authors with incredible talent. Their tale of witchcraft and fantasy had me from the start.
B. Alston & Q. Ramey
Their books aren't available in any other format, so Kindle definitely has it's good points too.
I love my Nook I still go to the library every week, and borrow books from friends. I'm a B&N bookseller, so I can read all sorts of stuff at work. The Nook is great for indie stuff that's NOT available anywhere else, as well as vacation books - it beats packing away 5 paperbacks. It also came in handy while I was reading the Game Of Thrones series - sometimes, you really need to buy a book at 11:30 at night!
Literally I had "books" coming out of my ears. I actually had to rent a truck to take them all out and donate to various agencies. I love books, however I must say I'm loving eBooks and Kindles- very compact.
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