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1jnwelch
Edited: Jun 13, 2012, 2:08pm Top



Painting by Didier Lourenco

Welcome back!

January

1. Ghost Ship by Sharon Lee
2. Cannery Row by John Steinbeck
3. Daughter of Smoke and Bone by Laini Taylor
4. Unbroken by Laura Hillenbrand
5. Wonderstruck by Brian Selznick
6. Ex Libris: Confessions of a Common Reader by Anne Fadiman
7. The Peach Keeper by Sarah Addison Allen
8. Fall Higher by Dean Young
9. Habibi by Craig Thompson
10. The Swerve: How the World Became Modern by Stephen Greenblatt
11. Malice Aforethought by Frances Iles
12. Logicomix by Apostolos Doxiadis
13. Tales from Ovid by Ted Hughes

February

1. Mister Blue by Jacques Poulin
2. The Chronicles of Harris Burdick by Chris Van Allsburg
3. Cinder by Marissa Meyer
4.. A Distant Neighborhood by Jiro Taniguchi
5. The Coroner's Lunch by Colin Cotterill
6. All I Did Was Shoot My Man by Walter Mosley
7. The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to the Sports Guy by Bill Simmons
8. Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children by Ransom Riggs
9. The Wolves of Willoughby Chase by Joan Aiken
10. Strangers in Paradise Pocket 6 by Terry Moore
11. The Tiger's Wife by Tea Obreht
12. Thirty-three Teeth by Colin Cotterill
13. Iron and Silk by Mark Salzman

March

1. Midnight in Austenland by Shannon Hale
2. Echo The Complete Edition by Terry Moore
3. Don't Look Back by Karin Fossum
4. The Siege by Helen Dunmore
5. The Uncommon Reader by Alan Bennett
6. Fault in Our Stars by John Green
7. A Zoo in Winter by Jiro Taniguchi
8. Behind the Beautiful Forevers by Katherine Boo
9. Disco for the Departed by Colin Cotterill
10. Before I Go to Sleep by S.J. Watson

April

1. Running the Rift by Naomi Benaron
2. David Copperfield by Charles Dickens
3. Force of Nature by C.J. Box
4. Trail of the Spellmans by Lisa Lutz
5. Anarchy and Old Dogs by Colin Cotterill
6. Finder Library Volume 1 by Carla Speed McNeil
7. Wonder by R. J. Palacio

May

1. The Limpopo Academy of Private Detection by Alexander McCall Smith
2. Palace of Illusions by Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni
3. The Luck of the Bodkins by P.G. Wodehouse
4. Bitterblue by Kristin Cashore
5. Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick
6. The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
7. The Spies of Warsaw by Alan Furst
8. The Great Cake Mystery by Alexander McCall Smith
9. Insurgent by Veronica Roth
10. A Rage in Harlem by Chester Himes
11. Among Others by Jo Walton
12. The Moon is Down by John Steinbeck

June

1. Desolation Road by Ian McDonald
2. The Cricket and the Hearth by Charles Dickens
3. Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail by Cheryl Strayed

3richardderus
Jun 4, 2012, 6:16pm Top

4jnwelch
Jun 4, 2012, 6:18pm Top

Hah! I'm thinking Richard just walked in. First to arrive gets a prize - chili cheese fries?

5richardderus
Jun 4, 2012, 6:32pm Top

urgh. not well enough to enjoy them. have any heroin?

6msf59
Jun 4, 2012, 6:36pm Top

Hi Joe- Funny, I was just going to suggest that you re-post your favorite list over here and...you did already!
I liked it and I've read 6 of the 10, with 1Q84 coming in October. It's also good to see The Cellist of Sarajevo popping up on a few lists. It is a terrific read.
I have to throw in my 2 cents on Olive. This is a flat-out excellent read, don't be swayed by the other heretics.
BTW- Loved Judy's List, as well.

7NarratorLady
Jun 4, 2012, 7:56pm Top

Just loved Olive and Pettigrew and Filth.

I must get to Kafka on the Shore but first The Grapes of Wrath...oh, and Song of Achilles just won the Orange Prize on the day it arrived for me at the library, so have to get to that one.

So nice to know I'll never run out....

8EBT1002
Jun 4, 2012, 8:16pm Top

Okay, this is good. I still haven't read any of the books on your top ten of the 90s list but since you expanded the selection of runners up, I've now read (and very much liked) three of those: Life of Pi, The Sense of an Ending, and The Kite Runner. Given that they made your list, I'm feeling more motivated to read the ten.

It's after 5:00. Glass of red wine, please.

9Ireadthereforeiam
Edited: Jun 4, 2012, 8:51pm Top

Hi joe,
I dont know about my list in its entirety, but I do know that The Road would be on it! Hello, and woohoo for thread #14 :)

eta: to answer your question on the last thread, I was reading The Swerve, finished it just now, not bad)

10roundballnz
Edited: Jun 4, 2012, 10:12pm Top

suffering from new shiny book syndrome rather than reading from the TBR pile - for those who are inclines Irivine Welsh's latest skagboys is out & has 5 stars all over it ......

11DeltaQueen50
Jun 4, 2012, 11:44pm Top

Hi Joe, I really liked your list of fiction favs and I'm looking forward to seeing your non-fiction and YA lists as well. I wonder if Divergent will be on your list?

Currently I'm switching back and forth between Wolf Hall and Divergent enjoying both, and really appreciating Suzanne's tutoring of Ilana through Wolf Hall, she's explaining a lot about Tudor history.

12AMQS
Jun 5, 2012, 12:15am Top

>10 roundballnz: Oh, I've been trying to cure myself of shiny new book syndrome for years. Not too successfully, I might add.

13ChelleBearss
Jun 5, 2012, 1:56am Top

Hi Joe! Not surprisingly I have not read a single book on your top 10 list!

I'm having trouble sleeping tonight, do you have any sleepy time tea or a big shot of something strong that will knock me out? ;)

14PaulCranswick
Jun 5, 2012, 2:07am Top

Joe - well done mate on another nice new thread. What a debut year!

Will have to look at what Suz is relating to Ilana to make sure that the Yorkist point of view is not totally disregarded!

15mckait
Jun 5, 2012, 7:01am Top

Aha! you are found.

16maggie1944
Jun 5, 2012, 7:21am Top

Gogs81, I'll share my warm almond milk with you, if you'd like. I find it is quite sleep inducing.

Good morning, all. I hope I have more time for reading today... life just keeps happening. I've started hanging out with the Arthritic Elderlies at our local YMCA. We get in the warmer, instructional, pool and do exercises. Yesterday, out leader was a physician and you guessed it: he was brutal. Made us stretch and pull and stretch some more. I am anticipating a trip to Hawaii and some time spent with a snorkle....

Busy, busy, busy....

I do not know where I found time for real work, back before retirement.

I'll thank you for my usual: latte and croissant.

17scaifea
Jun 5, 2012, 7:47am Top

Mornin'! I'm already sipping my morning cuppa Earl Grey, but I'll take a cinnamon scone, if you've got 'em. Oooh, wait - I'll have a croissant, if there are enough for both maggie and me...

18jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 9:31am Top

>5 richardderus: Hah! With all the chef's creativity, that's one we haven't been asked before, Richard. Nope, we don't carry heroin, sorry. But we've got mamacado eggs - how about that? Probably a little better for your health in the long run.

>6 msf59: Thanks, Mark. Yeah, The Cellist of Sarajevo was excellent, wasn't it? That's one I kept picking up in the bookstore and thinking, I should try this, and finally I got on with it.

I'll stay open-minded on Olive, but I don't think it's in my future.

>7 NarratorLady: Hi, Anne! I'm glad to see someone else who loved Major Pettigrew. What a debut! And thank you and Ellie again for recommending Filth. Now I need to get to The Man in the Wooden Hat.

I'm trying to get my hands on Song of Achilles from the library, too. Do try Kafka on the Shore; I thought it was amazing.

>8 EBT1002: There you go, Ellen. I'm glad I put in the runners-up. With those as the ones you've read and liked, I suspect Old Filth on that list might be the one for you to try first.

>9 Ireadthereforeiam: I'm glad you liked The Swerve, Megan. With your ambitious reading lists, I'm not surprised you read it, challenging as it is. Yes, The Road was great, wasn't it? Tough guy McCarthy even threw us a bone at the end.

>10 roundballnz: Good to see you, Alex. Yeah, I know, I get drawn to the new shiny books all the time. Particularly ones I hear about on LT. Now you've got me thinking about Irvine Walsh . . .

>11 DeltaQueen50: Hi, Judy. Glad you like the fiction list. I'll get the nonfic up this a.m. Yes, you betcha, Divergent will be on the YA list. So many good YA books these days!

I've read Wolf Hall, but will follow Ilana's tutored thread on it, as I'm sure there's a lot I could learn. You've got two good books going there - and I know the Divergent sequel is a rouser, and I keep reading the Wolf Hall sequel is topnotch.

>12 AMQS: Yeah, me either, Anne. I think the shiny book syndrome ain't gonna go away; I'll just try to stave it off occasionally and read what I already have sitting on the table.

19jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 9:46am Top

>13 ChelleBearss: Hi, Chelle! Well, you've got a bunch of good ones to explore when you're ready. That's a big part of the fun here in LT town. Are you doing a top 10 list?

Sorry about the sleep issues. We just got a new Temperpedic mattress and I'm conking out like nobody's business. Love it.

We do have some strong chamomile that should do the trick, Upton's Egyptian Chamomile:



>14 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul. Hah! I'll look for your Yorkist comments on the Wolf Hall thread.

>15 mckait: Glad you found us, Kath! Your table is waiting.

>16 maggie1944: Almond milk for inducing sleep - that's a new one for me, Karen. There are days where I wouldn't mind convincing the spinning brain to ease up, and I'll look for that.

Sounds like the stretching in the warmer pool is a good idea. The doc may have been brutal, but usually someone like that can push you farther than you'd push yourself.

Now's the time to take it easy and relax. Latte and croissant coming up.

>17 scaifea: Mornin', Amber! Thank goodness we figgered out the time jiggery that let's us operate internationally. I'm thinking our NZ, Malaysia and other friends are looking at an entirely different time of day.

We've got plenty of croissants, and you've probably already noticed that maggie is quite generous in sharing.

20ffortsa
Jun 5, 2012, 9:54am Top

Great picture at the top, as usual. It reminds me that, except for a rant I lost on my own thread (!), I didn't mention that Jim and I went to see the Stein Collection at the Met Museum this weekend. The Matisse were breathtaking, worth the crowd. If the museum had been in a lending mood, I would have had to armwrestle another woman for Matisse's Woman and Pond (not the right name, but close).

21jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 10:09am Top

Thanks, Judy. Now you've got me curious. Sounds like a great show. It still amazes me to think of all of those writers and artists gathering in Paris.

I'm sure this isn't it, but it's the closest I could find:

22ffortsa
Jun 5, 2012, 10:12am Top

Nope, but I like it a lot. The one I'm thinking of is almost an optical illusion, as the figure is painted with dabs of color and so is the pond, the wall on which she sits, the garden itself. Very Japanese and very impressionist at the same time.

23jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 10:21am Top

Woman in Japanese Robe Beside the Water?



Sorry the quality isn't better.

24seasonsoflove
Jun 5, 2012, 10:31am Top

Love the paintings!

I'd love a fried egg sandwich please-I happen to know this is a speciality of yours ;)

25jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 10:43am Top

Hah! There's our favorite young lady! How did you know fried egg sandwiches were in my repertoire, Becca? I'll give the chef a break on this one.

26seasonsoflove
Jun 5, 2012, 10:50am Top

Thanks! I'm actually set for coffee today, as I bought some of the Blonde Via, and have discovered that if I make half of one of the little packets and mix it with milk and sugar, it's enough caffeine to keep me going, but not too much where it interacts poorly with my meds.

Also, yay for looking through/reorganizing my bookshelves-I was looking through my shelves to find books to put away for Australia, and found a whole bunch of books I hadn't remembered I had, including a P.D James, a novel about Monet, and a memoir on polygamy (which is what I'm currently reading). And the library had Trail of the Spellmans just sitting on the shelf!

27richardderus
Jun 5, 2012, 11:01am Top

Drank some Guatemalan coffee my niece sent me from there, so no more for me, but those mamacado eggs sound good. I scored some heroin got busy with the colchicine and smacked down the gout flare. Trouble is it makes my stomach very upset.

You pays yer money, you takes yer choice.

Divergent is a YA novel. I was not aware of this defect before I asked the liberry to get it for me. It now must leave my presence forever.

28EBT1002
Jun 5, 2012, 12:41pm Top

I'll move Old Filth up onto my "definitely got to get to it this summer" list.....
It has been on the shelf for a few months.
:-)

29scaifea
Jun 5, 2012, 1:06pm Top

Ohmygosh, that egg sandwich looks so so good. I haven't had one of those in ages!

30ffortsa
Jun 5, 2012, 2:32pm Top

Yes, that's the painting! Unfortunately, the color reproduction you found does not do the original justice - it just leapt off the wall at us. For some reason I think the colors are sunnier - whatever that means.

I do love the Lourenco. A new artist for me. thanks.

31jnwelch
Edited: Jun 5, 2012, 3:14pm Top

>26 seasonsoflove: Sounds good, Becca. You remind me I've got to start putting together some good plane and travel reading for the trip.

You'll get a kick out of Trail of the Spellmans! Another very funny one.

>27 richardderus: I mentioned over on your thread, Richard, that not only is Divergent a YA novel, but it was written by cats and is based on a Dickens novel. I can understand your banning it from your presence.

>28 EBT1002: Old Filth is a special one, Ellen. I went into it unsure whether I'd like it, and came away with it as a fave.

>29 scaifea: We can whip up one of those egg sandwiches for you, Amber. It's a staple quickie at Hacienda Welch. They are tasty.

>30 ffortsa: I thought that must be the right Matisse painting, Judy. Unfortunately I couldn't find one with better resolution. I'm sure the original is much more compelling. He was a wizard with color. We've always been amazed by those paper cut-outs he did at the end of his life, like this one:



That's a cool Lourenco, isn't it?

32Ireadthereforeiam
Jun 5, 2012, 3:21pm Top

>18 jnwelch: Tough guy McCarthy even threw us a bone at the end.
Well, I suppose you could say that, maybe that tiny needle-like bone that goes alongside the drum stick....

33mirrordrum
Jun 5, 2012, 3:21pm Top

sloping in and peering over shoulders to see what i want to read next

i just finished The swerve and, now don't laugh, Battles at Thrush Green. oh, well, hell, laugh if you want. it's good for the endolphins. and quite possibly the enorcas and enwalruses too, for all i know. ;)

may i have a glass of Sierra Nevada '58 cool and clear, please. i'll be sitting in back at my table under the ferns considering my reading options. i put Three day Road and Cellist of Sarajevo in my cart at audible and have Looking for Jake cued on the iPod but just now i don't need to be reading anything, um, stressful or a downer. any thoughts? maybe i should reread a Gardam.



34jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 3:31pm Top

>32 Ireadthereforeiam: Hah! Yup, that's the one, Megan.

>33 mirrordrum: How'd you like The Swerve, Ellie? I'm actually intrigued by Battles at Thrush Green. I love the Cotswolds, and there are times when I'd like all those en-sealovers feeling good, too.

You know I like Cellist of Sarajevo a lot; Three Day Road is new to me and that's a Mieville I haven't read, so I'll look forward to your reaction to it when you get to it.

Hmm, nothing stressful? Well, you know Gardam better than I do. Did you read Major Pettigrew's Last Stand? I forget. A Dr. Siri? Among Others?

35jnwelch
Edited: Jun 5, 2012, 4:11pm Top

36NarratorLady
Jun 5, 2012, 3:46pm Top

33: Ellie, may I suggest a PG Wodehouse? Always works for me to lighten the day, even if it's a re-read.

Joe: Got to agree with Devil in the White City and Unbroken. Have to give a shout out to The Greater Journey by David McCullough, made even greater on audio by Edward Herrmann who did such a stellar job on Unbroken.

Very interested in reading Lost in Shangri-La. Sounded a bit like Unbroken to me.

37mirrordrum
Edited: Jun 5, 2012, 3:49pm Top

i did read Major Pettigrew's Last Stand and reviewed it (2nd down). i'd forgotten having written the review.

Dr. Siri! i'd forgotten that in a fit of Siri-love i'd downloaded Disco for the Departed. could be the very thing.

i loved Battles at Thrush Green but am not sure how much of that is down to the narrator, Gwen Watford (hear a sample), upon whom i dote.

38jnwelch
Edited: Jun 5, 2012, 4:10pm Top

>36 NarratorLady: I almost mentioned PG Wodehouse, too, Anne. Agree completely.

I haven't read The Greater Journey yet, which is probably the only reason it's not on the list. It sounds great, and I'm going to read it.

Lost in Shangri-La isn't really like Unbroken, at least not to me, except for it being the same war. They're fascinating for different reasons. The former involves the discovery of an unknown civilization in Papua New Guinea, and what happens when a plane goes down right by it. One of the things I loved about LIS-L is it uses the technique of interspersing the photos in the text, so that as you're reading about someone you're often looking at a photo of them.

>37 mirrordrum: Dr. Siri sure works as a diversion for me. I just picked up the next one in the series (for me), Curse of the Pogo Stick.

I'll listen to Gwen Watford when the annoying work fairies stop buzzing my head.

P.S. I screwed up a couple of the touchstones in the list, but I think everything's A-OK now.

P.P.S. Loved the review of Major Pettigrew's Last Stand. Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did. Your criticisms, or constructive comments, are right on the money, too. I similarly wondered about the Rudyard Kipling connection.

39mirrordrum
Jun 5, 2012, 4:18pm Top

hi, Anne (flapping a mitt). give you joy! hmmmm. maybe Something Fresh? i like the sound of the narrator. i've never read any Wodehouse.

and i forgot to add my top ten fiction, or some of them. actually 11 + 1 audio only (he's a master storyteller). i gave myself a bit of leeway in re: timeline as it takes a while for books to become available in audio.

The Siege by Helen Dunmore
Case Histories by Kate Atkinson
A Visit from the Goon Squad by Jennifer Egan
The imperfectionists by Tom Rachman
Purple Hibiscus by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
Divisadero by Michael Ondaatje
Bel Canto by Ann Patchett
The Flight of the Maidens by Jane Gardam
Old Filth by Jane Gardam
The Thirteenth Tale by Diane Setterfield
Natural Flights of the Human Mind by Clare Morrall

Listening for the Crack of Dawn by Donald Davis (audio only)

what fun this was. thanks, Joe.

40NarratorLady
Jun 5, 2012, 4:32pm Top

Ellie, I've read four on your list (Imperfectionists, Bel Canto, Filth and Thirteenth Tale) and they would have made it to my list as well.

May I say how much I admire your taste?

41jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 5:17pm Top

Nice list, Ellie. I'm an admirer, too. It is fun, isn't it? I think Paul Cranswick started it all.

I would've had The Siege and Bel Canto on mine except I fussily went back exactly 10 years, and I think those lay outside that. Those are great books. I was not, for some reason, as fond of The Imperfectionists or The Thirteenth Tale. Some of yours I know nothing about and must now investigate.

42msf59
Edited: Jun 5, 2012, 6:06pm Top

Joe- That's a excellent NF List! I've read and LOVED 5 of them, with the Kidder sitting on a shelf. Did you get my PM?
ETA- Wonder is fantastic! Folks that pooh-pooh YA, (like Mr.Crabby Pants) have no idea what they're missing.

43jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 6:16pm Top

Hah! Yes, I know we've got very similar tastes in NF, Mark. You probably are the guy who got me to read some of them. The Kidder will blow you away when you get to it. As far as I'm concerned, Dr. Paul Farmer is the closest we've got to a real saint.

Didn't get your PM yet - I'll check after this.

Couldn't agree more on Wonder. Walklover just read it and loved it, loved it, loved it. What a book!

I work with a guy who says, "I may be wrong, but I'm never in doubt." Our Mr. Crabby Pants reminds me of him.

44ffortsa
Jun 5, 2012, 6:21pm Top

Someone at work just recommended the Kidder book to me.

45jnwelch
Jun 5, 2012, 6:23pm Top

It's a big one for me, as you can tell, Judy. I can't imagine anyone not being moved and opened up by it.

46msf59
Jun 5, 2012, 6:44pm Top

Joe- Strength in What Remains was my first Kidder and I loved it. I NEED to move Mountains Beyond Mountains up a few big spots.

47mckait
Jun 5, 2012, 6:46pm Top

So are you willing to part with your egg sandwich secrets?

48EBT1002
Jun 5, 2012, 6:47pm Top

I have never heard of The Mold in Dr. Florey's Coat by Eric Lax, but the title is wonderful!

49Donna828
Jun 5, 2012, 6:57pm Top

Joe, I have trouble keeping up with your threads...and your lists. I like the non-fiction list very much. I'm not sure about the Mold book but I wouldn't surprised to see it become popular on LT after your recommendation. We like to keep up with the Joenses around here!

50richardderus
Jun 5, 2012, 10:47pm Top

I'm confused. The original list was Books from the Aughties That'll Still Be Read in 30 Years. Have we now moved on to a decade-by-decade kind of thing?

As to YAs, why do grown-ups want to read about teens anyway? Isn't it a little, well, pervy? Sorta like that "18 Today" website that caused such a kerfuffle.

51jnwelch
Edited: Jun 6, 2012, 11:02am Top

>46 msf59: Good morning, Mark. If you loved Strength in What Remains, I'm pretty sure you'll love Mountains Beyond Mountains even more. Deo's connection with Paul Farmer in SIWR derives from what happens in MBM.

But man am I glad to hear of someone who loved Strength in What Remains! What an amazing story. Can you imagine? I lived in NYC with very little money way back when, but not at the level where Deo began. And that's just here - his escape from the Burundi genocide? Oh my goodness.

>47 mckait: Jeez, this is a bachelor holdover, Kath, and hardly rises to the level of "secrets." So, yes, I'm willing to share! It's just a fried egg on a bun, or good bread, with mayo, salt and pepper, and you can put lettuce and tomato in there if you're so inclined. The secret is what book you choose to read while eating it.

I mentioned that Walklover comments on how I seem to have forgotten how to cook since she took over when we got married. This is one I kept up. But she's way better than me.

>48 EBT1002: As you can tell from the subtitle, Ellen ("The Story of the Penicillin Miracle"), The Mold in Dr. Florey's Coat is about the discovery and development of penicillin, the first antibiotic.

The behind the scenes view is fascinating, and the author really knows how to tell a story. Eccentric individuals, the weird world of medical research and commercial development, and why it took 14 years to make it a viable antibiotic at a time of desperate need. As Publishers Weekly said, he conveys "the thrill of discovery during the upheaval of WWII and skillfully translat{es} the abstruse technicalities of lab work and medical jargon into enjoyable prose." It also addresses the myth that Alexander Fleming is the one who developed it. Great stuff.

>49 Donna828: Hah! I know the problem, Donna. We need to set up LT outside of normal time so we can get to all the good stuff going on. Did Einstein ever talk about that?

If you read a ways into the mold book, there's a good chance you'll get hooked. (See >48 EBT1002: above, too). I sure did.

>50 richardderus: I didn't go with trying the list of books that'll still be read in 30 years, RD, although that might be a fun one to try. This is just a top ten last ten list. Paul's visitors are trying the 90s, too, but it'll be a while before I try that. It does take some (fun) journeying through your library to do this.

To me, the YAs just often have great storytelling. Like Kath, I don't care what the label is, and I don't really care about the age of the protagonist either. I've been a teen, I've raised teens, and I still have a dopey young guy inside me who makes not infrequent appearances.

My one hope is that you haven't avoided The Book Thief on the premise that it's just pervy teen stuff. It's well worth your reading. I'd say the same for other books labeled YA, too, but it would be awful if you missed TBT.

52ffortsa
Jun 6, 2012, 10:54am Top

I second the rec on The Book Thief. Why it was categorized as YA in the US is beyond me - just because the main character is not an adult??

53richardderus
Jun 6, 2012, 10:57am Top

I Pearl Ruled The Book Thief last year. Didn't like it much.

54jnwelch
Edited: Jun 6, 2012, 11:08am Top

>51 jnwelch: I know, Judy. I've heard it's not categorized that way in Australia, where Markus Zusak is from, and I'm sure a lot of other places. Luckily Harry Potter got many adults started on reading YA, and so the label has been ignored by a lot of folks.

>52 ffortsa: OK, at least you tried The Book Thief, Richard. Better to have tried and Pearled than never to have tried at all.

Of course, it's a bit like giving someone a bite from your amazingly delicious dish and having them say, "meh", but so it goes.

55richardderus
Jun 6, 2012, 11:27am Top

So, indeed, it goes, he said, eyeing the bookshelf where Desolation Road shimmers in all its perfection and glory, underappreciated by the YA pusher.

56jnwelch
Jun 6, 2012, 12:04pm Top

Hah! Well, if you finish The Book Thief and underappreciate it, we can call it even, how about that?

57richardderus
Jun 6, 2012, 12:15pm Top

I did finish it. On p70 or so. :-P~~~

58jnwelch
Jun 6, 2012, 1:35pm Top



Guy Noir and the Straight Skinny by Garrison Keillor is silly and ridiculous. I picked it up because my wife and I can't help laughing at the author's Guy Noir stories on the radio show Prairie Home Companion. If you have the same problem, then you'll probably enjoy this book.

It's a caper involving a tape worm diet pill (!) and plenty of gangsters and pretty women and snapshots of our lives from a special bizarre angle lens. "She was tall and blonde, except she'd dyed the roots brunette, an original touch." Another's sensuous sighing into a phone was a "sussuration, like the wind in the silvery cottonwoods by a burbling brook flowing through the whispering prairie grasses by a long two-track road somewhere in Nebraska, not that I've been there myself but I read Willa Cather once when I was dating an English major named Leslye who was, in fact, from Lincoln, Nebraska, and I believe 'sussuration' was the word Willa used."

Guy's a private eye, of course, and clients often have unusual projects for him, like the one who had "finally finished reading Moby-Dick after ten years and had forgotten what the book was about and could I help?" There are plenty of noir (small n) descriptions, like the bad guy Bogus Brothers whose scarred faces looked like "they'd been pounding fence posts with their foreheads" and who smelled "like old gym socks sprayed with cheap cologne." There are bad puns ("Someday my prints will come"), and Keystone Kops interludes, like the romantic get-together ruined by Guy's overenthusiastic attempts to multitask while piloting a canoe. The author also manages to poke fun at Prairie Home Companion, which has been turned into a Spanish language show to boost the ratings, and himself, as the displaced host that Guy pities. Interspersed throughout are the show's trademark jabs at Minnesota, Minneapolis and St. Paul. It also finds room for many more references to farts and sex than you'd hear on the radio show.

If life seems somber at the moment, you might pick this one up and remind yourself how ridiculous we all are.

59richardderus
Jun 6, 2012, 1:42pm Top

I have the thumbs-up applied.

60jnwelch
Jun 6, 2012, 3:04pm Top

Thanks, RD, you master of quickness!

61maggie1944
Jun 6, 2012, 4:30pm Top

Even when I think I am terminally tired of Garrison, and his references to a mid-west I never knew, he can make me laugh out loud with his silly puns, and playing with words and ideas. As in "someday my prints will come", indeed!

62cameling
Jun 6, 2012, 4:37pm Top

You caught me at a weak moment, Joe ... your review had me hopping off to Amazon to get me a copy straight off. *sigh*

Went to a Cambodian cafe today for lunch and am oh too stuffed. Since the blood's drained from the brain, I'm in no condition to do much work this afternoon. Good thing I delegated some off to my staff this morning.

63jnwelch
Jun 6, 2012, 5:43pm Top

>61 maggie1944: I know, same for me, Karen. The show can be ridiculously corny sometimes, but we always get enchanted by the tales of Guy Noir.

>62 cameling: Hah! Glad to hear it, Caro. That should help the blood-drained brain (why am I thinking of zombies all of the sudden?)

How did people ever go out for three martini lunches back in the day? That would send me straight to a nap if I made it to a soft landing place.

64richardderus
Jun 6, 2012, 5:53pm Top

They drank more, and more often, than we do today. Damned Longface Puritans League, aka AMA. And MADD.

65msf59
Jun 6, 2012, 5:57pm Top

Hi Joe- Wow, another gorgeous day, huh? What a string! Good review of Guy Noir and the Straight Skinny. The only book I ever read by him was Lake Wobegon Days, many years ago. I liked his turn in the Altman film of Prairie home.
Nearly finished with Wonder. It's been great. Augie just returned from his 1st camping trip. The audio is excellent too. They use a different narrator for each "section".

66jnwelch
Jun 6, 2012, 6:03pm Top

>64 richardderus: Couldn't do it, Richard, still don't know how they did. A glass of wine at the cafe, maybe.

>65 msf59: Augie's camping trip - great, Mark! Big developments there. You're in the home stretch. I'm glad you're enjoying it so much. I did, too. I could see Wonder being a good one for audio.

67mckait
Jun 6, 2012, 6:27pm Top

I think rd is right.. I remember my mom and dad and their drinking ( way too much in dad's case)
The neighbors too.. always drinking.. Remember the old movies and tv? drinking and smoking, too.

68PaulCranswick
Jun 6, 2012, 6:52pm Top

Joe - great non-fiction list (I think) because I haven't read any of em! Ellie's list also is interesting and illustrates to me how much wonderful reading is before me.
Agree with RD and Kath; I am sure that the previous generations were harder drinkers than mine - I remember when I started in construction I'd spend the week in the office and join the guys who were "on the tools" in the bar on Friday after work and their efforts were prodigious. No matter how many in the group a complete round would ensue. If there was 12 of us then 12 pints were drunk (and then so were we).

69ffortsa
Jun 6, 2012, 7:23pm Top

My family was not much for drinking - we laughingly call ourselves 'cheap drunks' because one has always been enough for us. But I think one of the factors may be that people 50 years ago didn't work all the overtime (paid or not) that we work now, didn't have to squeeze chores in on weeknights or weekends (because there was usually a spouse at home to do the shopping, cleaning, etc.) and so there was more free time to fill, and more time to recover. I wouldn't advise the lifestyle in any case, but sometimes I think I need to drink just a little more, and relax a bit.

70EBT1002
Jun 6, 2012, 8:16pm Top

Hmmm, Guy Noir and the Straight Skinny sounds like just the ticket.
But I'm not allowed to buy any more books until I read at least ten currently owned (by me).....

71cameling
Jun 6, 2012, 8:35pm Top

Joe : My UK coworkers usually have a drink or two at lunch time almost everyday. I was in the office there for a week and I don't know how they do it .. I'd feel so sleepy after lunch and need a nap. I solved the problem by walking around the office building and up the stairs to the 7th floor (instead of taking the elevator) about an hour after we'd come back from lunch just to get my blood flowing properly again and stop myself falling into the land of nod.

72jnwelch
Edited: Jun 6, 2012, 9:48pm Top

Kath, Paul, Judy, that's the way I remember it, too. Growing up, there was a regular post-5 pm beverage gathering at my house for martinis, scotch and beer, depending on who came over. Didn;t know any lunch time drinkers. Ran into one would later in life, an older guy, and he seemed like a time traveler from an earlier time.

Ellen, it will be waiting when you're done. Is that an off the shelf challenge? Becca says those are very strict.

I'd do the same, Caro. On vacation, I'm happy to enjoy umbrella drinks or whatever, whenever. But everything's easier on vacation.

Apologies for any typos. I'll be back on the handheld for a while.

73LauraBrook
Jun 6, 2012, 9:52pm Top

Hi Joe! How about a little ice cream to finish off the evening? Anything with caramel is good with me!

74maggie1944
Jun 7, 2012, 8:22am Top

Good morning! Have you guys seen Duolingo? I am having so much fun reviewing my primitive, childlike, French!

I'm happy here in my corner with the morning latte. Do you have any croissant au chocolate this morning?

75jnwelch
Edited: Jun 8, 2012, 9:39am Top

Hi, Laura! I can't manage to do images from this handheld, darn it, but we'll get you some vanilla ice cream with caramel sauce from Margie's in Chicago. (Special arrangement). Enjoy!

P.S. Thank you for your patience!



I'll have to check out Duolingo, Karen. Yes, we've got croissants au chocolat, and we'll bring them to your corner table with your latte pronto.

76jnwelch
Jun 7, 2012, 9:25am Top

By the way, Ray Bradbury was a wonderful writer and left quite a body of work when he passed away. His Dandelion Wine had a major impact on me as a young guy. Thanks, Ray!

77magicians_nephew
Jun 7, 2012, 5:00pm Top

Story was that Ray Bradbury went to a carnival as a kid and ran into "Mr. Electro" at the sideshow, who touched him (Bradbury) with his electric wand and said "You will live forever".

His writings will.

78mckait
Edited: Jun 7, 2012, 5:18pm Top

I think maybe Something Wicked This Way Comes?

I'm just not sure... it has been so long since I read it...

79ronincats
Jun 7, 2012, 5:23pm Top

Joe, are you going to join us for the memorial read of Dandelion Wine this weekend? Paul posted a thread for it.

80jnwelch
Jun 7, 2012, 5:27pm Top

>76 jnwelch: I like that story, James. And you're right, his writings will.

>77 magicians_nephew: Something Wicked This Way Comes was really good, Kath. I think that's the right one, too.

81jnwelch
Jun 7, 2012, 5:28pm Top

>79 ronincats: Oh, I like that idea, Roni. I'll check out what Paul's done.

82msf59
Jun 7, 2012, 6:16pm Top

Hi Joe- Hope you had a good day. I'm under-read as far as Bradbury. I need to make my way through his catalog. Nice piece in the Trib on him.

83jnwelch
Edited: Jun 8, 2012, 9:35am Top

Yes, that was a good Trib article on Ray B., Mark. You'll enjoy catching up on him a bit, I suspect.

Work was challenging today, and definitely interfered with my being on LT. Don't you hate it when that happens? :-)

84EBT1002
Jun 7, 2012, 6:33pm Top

Becca is right. It's not a separate off-the-shelf challenge, but I feel very committed to my ReadTenBeforeBuyingOne commitment.

85jnwelch
Jun 8, 2012, 9:40am Top

Right, that fits, Ellen. I can understand it if you've got a bunch waiting to be read. Feel free to hole up here for a while and read.

86jnwelch
Edited: Jun 9, 2012, 9:27am Top

OK, here's my top 10 young adult books published in the last 10 years. Spoiler Warning: Richard, you'll have no interest in the following whatsoever.

1. The Book Thief by Markus Zusak
2. The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-time Indian by Sherman Alexie
3. The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman
4. Divergent by Veronica Roth
5. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins
6. Dairy Queen by Catherine Gilbert Murdock
7. Wonder by R. J. Palacio
8. The Fault in Our Stars by john Green
9. Graceling by Kristin Cashore
10. Marcelo in the Real World by Francisco X. Stork

Runners-up: Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson, Blood Red Road by Moira Young, Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher, When You Reach Me by Rebecca Stead.

Hope Was Here by Joan Bauer unfortunately was slightly too old, or I would've put it on the list.

Am I missing any? An awful lot of good YA has come out in recent years.

87ffortsa
Jun 8, 2012, 9:58am Top

I didn't know the Alexie was labelled as YA. I haven't read him yet, but I have The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven on the shelf.

88maggie1944
Jun 8, 2012, 10:17am Top

I think Sherman Alexie's work illustrates well how fiction can be YA, and yet very appropriate for adult readers, too. Much of his early work has to do with growing up as a reservation "Indian" and can appeal to young adults as it deals with all that coming of age stuff + the very real life of an American Indian living on a reservation today. Very worthy of reading!!!

Plus, Sherman Alexie has a wicked sense of humor and is a delightful man. If ever you have a chance to see him, go!

89jnwelch
Edited: Jun 8, 2012, 10:34am Top

>87 ffortsa: Hi, Judy. I liked The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven a lot, but it's not YA. This one may his only book that is. This YA one of his is so good some school districts have tried to ban it.

>88 maggie1944: Oh, I'd love to see him in person, Karen! How did you manage to do that? Any highlights you remember?

I agree with what you say about YA and readers of the young and old variety.

90maggie1944
Jun 8, 2012, 10:53am Top

I am sorry, Joe, my memory is not good enough to conjure up specifics; I just know he has a dry sense of humor which is frequently found in the Native Americans who I've met here in the pacific northwest. Alexie comes from the east side of the Cascade Mts, a more dry, arid, agricultural part of Washington but he moved over to the Seattle area when a young man. He does promote his books, and speaks to young audiences frequently. Perhaps your son can keep an eye open for him after he moves here.

91magicians_nephew
Jun 8, 2012, 11:04am Top

Shake hands, Barkeep.

Any list that includes The Book Thief, The Graveyard Book, and The Hunger Games is a keeper.

I didn't cotton to When you Reach Me but reading it chased me back to reading A Wrinkle in Time again which I will never stop loving.

92jnwelch
Jun 8, 2012, 11:15am Top

>90 maggie1944: No prob, Karen. I had a relative who went to a school in the Cascade mountains. Sounds like a beautiful part of the country. Good thought re #1 son. I don't even know whether he's read Sherman Alexie. Hmm. Jesse did surprise by having read {Wonder before I recommended it (he loved it, too).

>91 magicians_nephew: Thanks, James. Glad to shake on it. Yeah, I think I know what you mean about When You Reach Me. It won the Newbery, but I kept thinking it could somehow have been better. I did like the connections to A Wrinkle in Time, too.

93EBT1002
Jun 8, 2012, 2:11pm Top


Seems like I could worry down an apple fritter while I sit here and read The Coroner's Lunch, to which I am already addicted.

94cameling
Jun 8, 2012, 2:16pm Top

Whoohoo...another Dr Siri fan. I love it!

I don't suppose you know of places to rent in Chicago, would you, Joe? My friend's just moved over and is staying in a hotel until he finds a place to stay and he said it's a more difficult process than he had expected.

95jnwelch
Edited: Jun 8, 2012, 5:01pm Top

Ah, so glad you found The Coroner's Lunch, Ellen. Join the support group of addicted LTers, which seems to grow by the day.

Here's your apple fritter, and I think I'll have one, too, as it's lunchtime in my part of the world (and yet another beautiful day here - what a streak we're on!)

96maggie1944
Jun 8, 2012, 2:20pm Top

Joe, I am sitting here, reading my threads, and chowing down on: Blue Diamond Almonds, wasabi & Soy Sauce flavor. Would you consider carrying them in the cafe. I so love them! And when I buy them for home, they get eaten, right away! Yummy.

97jnwelch
Jun 8, 2012, 2:31pm Top

>96 maggie1944: Hah! Can do, Karen! I look forward to trying them myself. Their immediate disappearance from your home when you have them is a strong recommendation. We have the same problem with oatmeal raisin cookies, although I'm probably the one responsible for most of the problem.

98mckait
Jun 8, 2012, 3:22pm Top

Good list Joe... I LOVED Graceling, Fire and Bitterblue, sad only that they are on nook not
paper. Marcelo in the Real World , also a wondrous read.. Divergent is on my must read list...

99cameling
Jun 8, 2012, 3:58pm Top

#95 : Those are apple fritters? Joe, they look like glazed fried chicken

100EBT1002
Jun 8, 2012, 4:30pm Top

99> LOL! Hard to capture a good apple fritter on camera.

*heading to store to buy wasabi & soy sauce almonds*

101jnwelch
Jun 8, 2012, 5:00pm Top

>98 mckait: Thanks, Kath. Yes, me, too, as you can tell. I didn't add the others like Fire and Bitterblue and Insurgent so I could put other authors on the list, but they're all standouts.

>99 cameling: Ouch! I'm glad the chef didn't hear what you said, Caro! They look much more lovely and fritter-like in person.

>100 EBT1002: Ain't that the truth, Ellen? If anyone else decides to have fritters, we'll look for ones that won't elicit derision. *speaking softly well away from the chef*

I looked at lunchtime for wasabi & soy sauce almonds, but the store only had other Blue Diamond ones. The search will continue.

102maggie1944
Jun 8, 2012, 5:17pm Top

I know! not all stores carry them, but Diamond does make them, so you can talk to management! As they suggest all the time...

103DeltaQueen50
Jun 8, 2012, 5:42pm Top

Hi Joe, you were certainly right when you said our YA lists overlapped. I think we matched seven out of ten! Two of yours I haven't read yet, but are definitely planning on getting to soon. That just leaves The Dairy Queen which I liked very much, but just couldn't fit in on my list.

I'm in the mood for a burger, but since I like to stretch the chef, let's make it a curried turkey burger with grilled onions. That and a diet coke will keep me happy for a few hours!

104jnwelch
Edited: Jun 8, 2012, 6:23pm Top

>103 DeltaQueen50: Hah! Yeah, I knew you'd get a kick out of it when you saw my YA list, which looks an awful lot like yours. I struggled with whether to put Dairy Queen on it, but it's a faves list, and I really liked that book and the rest of the trilogy. D.J. is such a great character.

OK, a curried turkey burger with grilled onions, and a diet coke. The chef says yes, indeed, thanks for the stretch and it's coming up.

This was a tough one! We'll find some grilled onions to put on this:



Ah, here you go:

105msf59
Jun 8, 2012, 6:27pm Top

Hi Joe- Great YA list! What do you mean by "published in the last year"? Was that a typo?
I've read 7 of the 10, of course most recently wonder, which was terrific. You sure kept RD away, works like rat poison.

106Crazymamie
Jun 8, 2012, 11:15pm Top

Joe - just popping in down here to let you know that I am lurking on your thread. I need to go back and read through the posts, but very much like the lists of favorites you have posted. Back tomorrow to comment.

107jnwelch
Edited: Jun 9, 2012, 9:27am Top

>105 msf59: Thanks, Mark. Yes, that "published in the last year" was a typo. RL has had some kind of thyroid problem and intruded overenthusiastically in recent days, and one result is I seem to be riding the typos like a pogo stick. (Our fritters also looked like glazed fried chicken, according to one discerning eye). I'll fix the goof-up. Should have been last 10 years like the others.

Yes, if we ever need to keep important matters secret from RD, we can always mark them "YA". There are other possibilities, of course, as I keep finding out that his aversion list is longer than I thought.

P.S. I'm guessing one you haven't read is Marcelo in the Real World. I think you'd like it.

>106 Crazymamie: Good to see you, Mamie! I'm glad you like the favorites lists. I've got one more to go, graphic novels, although this has been enough fun that I'm thinking about adding mysteries and thrillers. I'll look forward to your comments.

108maggie1944
Jun 9, 2012, 9:30am Top

Good morning! I am looking forward to a happy reading weekend, plus a little time spent on chores. I'm starting out with a latte, of course.

Hope your weekend is excellent, also.

109PaulCranswick
Jun 9, 2012, 10:05am Top

Joe - hope your weekend is going swimmingly. Not really qualified to comment on your YA list as I have only read The Book Thief and am not so up on the genre, although with people like Kerry introducing so many interesting looking books I am sure to catch up at some stage.

110Crazymamie
Jun 9, 2012, 10:39am Top

Yes, Joe, mysteries and thrillers,too, please - my secret love....Um...mysteries and thrillers are my secret love, not you, although I am sure you are very nice.

111jnwelch
Edited: Jun 9, 2012, 12:44pm Top

>108 maggie1944: Ah, just got out of a work meeting on a Saturday morning if you can believe it, Karen. Jeesh. Now I can join you with a latte and some reading. I'm a ways into Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail by Cheryl Strayed, and it is riveting. She is shockingly honest about her shortcomings and bad decisions. A lot of the latter caused by her mother's unexpected death, and that was the hardest part for me, having gone through it (mom dying unexpectedly) myself too recently. Anyway, I'm glad to be reading it.

Hope you're having a great weekend, too. It's gorgeous (again - what's going on?) in Chi-town.

>109 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul. Work kept the pool from filling up for a while, but now the weekend is going swimmingly. If I was going to pick one of those YAs for you, it would be Sherman Alexie's. You'd enjoy it, and other work by him, I think.

>110 Crazymamie: Hah! Jeez, you were really making my day for a minute there, Mamie! This cafe can have a strong impact on its denizens. :-)

You've helped inspire me on the mysteries and thrillers. I'll put together a list - there's no question it's fun to be reminded of what I've read and enjoyed, and to identify the real standouts. Either I'll do it today or in a few days, as tomorrow is our local Printer's Row book fair and the Welches will be out there enjoying it.

BTW, we saw Timon of Athens last night, one in the running for worst Shakespeare play ever. He never finished it, and apparently wrote it at the end of his life with someone named Thomas Middleton. It doesn't get produced much because, well, it's not very good.

But this production at Chicago Shakespeare was entertaining as all get out. A principal reason why: Scottish actor Ian McDiarmid, who was Palpatine in the Star Wars movies. He was amazing! We've seen some good performances, but his twisty, mindbending portrayal of the title character just blew us away. If only the younger actors around him could've come close to his level. He really wanted to do this. He said in the playbill that this play doesn't get produced much in the UK because, well, it's not very good. He showed how even a bad play can be made fascinating by the right performer.

BTW, Part 2, for me the worst Shakespeare play ever written remains the idiotic Pericles. Not sure what happened with it - written by an impersonator? Peyote?

112cameling
Jun 9, 2012, 1:14pm Top

I thought Pericles was one of the silliest ever that the Bard wrote, but didn't he co-write this though? Perhaps they were smoking something really good and had major fits of giggles when they were writing this ... at a bar, over tankards of strong mead?

Strawberry Galette on the menu today perhaps? It's summer ... ripe juicy strawberries in an open pastry case with a little toasted almond base and topped with fresh whipped cream ... mmmm....

113DeltaQueen50
Jun 9, 2012, 2:35pm Top

Thank the chef for rustling up that delicious turkey burger, Joe. I am now eagerly looking forward to both your graphic and mystery lists.

114jnwelch
Edited: Jun 9, 2012, 2:55pm Top

>112 cameling: Did he co-write Pericles, too, Caro? That would help explain its silliness, I agree, and strong mead might have had a lot to do with it, too.

Yes! Great idea re Strawberry Galette:



Makes me think of a wonderful clafouti I had on our anniversary trip in Paris:

115jnwelch
Jun 9, 2012, 2:56pm Top

>113 DeltaQueen50: Tip of the hat from the chef, Judy.

I left the gn list at the office, so I'll get to work on that mystery/thriller list.

116jnwelch
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 8:47am Top

OK, here goes on mysteries, thrillers - my top ten faves from ones published in the past ten years. This genre is a little different, because so many of these are in series. So I give the first one in the series, with the series having started in the last 10 years. I checked, but if I screw up on a publication date, let me know.

1. Still Life by Louise Penny
2. The Shape of Water by Andrea Camilleri
3. The Coroner's Lunch by Colin Cotterill
4. The Cold Dish by Craig Johnson
5. The Spellman Files by Lisa Lutz
6. Bangkok 8 by John Burdett
7. The Long Fall by Walter Mosley
8. The Master of Rain by Tom Bradby
9. Wife of the Gods by Kwei Quartey
10. Don't Look Back by Karin Fossum

Runners-up: The Broken Teaglass by Emily Arsenault, The Chicago Way by Michael Harvey, The Italian Secretary by Caleb Carr, The Guards by Ken Bruen, Raven Black by Ann Cleeves, and I thought about Zoo City by Lauren Beukes, which is sci-fi, but also a mystery.

I couldn't put the C.J. Box Joe Pickett series, the Alexander McCall Smith Precious Ramotswe series or the Lee Child Jack Reacher series on the list because they all started further back than 10 years ago.

117mckait
Jun 9, 2012, 8:27pm Top

I have only read the Louise Penny....
I also read Cleeves from not on the list, didn't like her ... and although I like Alexander McCall Smith, I only got through 2-3 in that series..

Diverse reading :)

118cameling
Jun 9, 2012, 8:54pm Top

mmm on the galette, Joe. And I love clafouti as well. I don't know why they don't offer this more often in restaurants here. It's tasty and also really easy to make.

Great mysteries list. The only authors I haven't yet read from your list are Quartey, Johnson and Bradby.

119ChelleBearss
Jun 9, 2012, 10:11pm Top

ahh there are some greats lists going on here! Love your YA and mystery lists!

120Whisper1
Jun 9, 2012, 10:16pm Top

Hi There Joe

Of your top ten favorites, I really liked Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress by Dai Sijie.

And, your list of YA books resonates! I read most of them. Your question about wondering if you missed any leads me to highly recommend the wonderful author Gary Schmidt. I like all his books, but in particular if you haven't read The Wednesday Wars or Lizzie Bright and the Buckminster Boy, you might give them a try.

Another author that is a favorite of mine is Christopher Paul Curtis. I recommend all of his. Chosing a favorite is difficult, though I did especially like Elijah of Buxton

121PaulCranswick
Jun 9, 2012, 10:36pm Top

Great list of mysteries Joe - I'll put back on my thinking cap and get back to yer.

122Crazymamie
Jun 9, 2012, 10:40pm Top

Nice list! And I second Linda's endorsement of Gary Schmidt. The Wednesday Wars is one of my all time favorite books.

123EBT1002
Jun 10, 2012, 12:58am Top

I'm going to just cut and paste #116 and print it out for future use.
I'm reading (and loving) The Coroner's Lunch now. Fan of Craig Johnson and Andrea Camilleri --- others I need to investigate (so to speak).
Still Life #1? Hmmm, not for me. I liked it but not as much as the one I'm reading now.

124msf59
Jun 10, 2012, 8:39am Top

Joe- I love your crime/mystery list. You know, the Guards would be at the tippy-top for me. BTW- Bangkok 8 is the 1st. Excellent choice too!
I need to get to the Cold dish.

125jnwelch
Jun 10, 2012, 8:43am Top

>117 mckait: Good morning, Kath! I don't know your mystery-reading likes enough to recommend from the rest, but the Camilleri and Cotterill are a lot of fun.

>118 cameling: Ah, after our fritter screw-up, I'm glad we hit the spot with the galette, Caro! I know, you'd think you'd see galette and clafouti more often in restaurants.

All three on the mysteries list that you haven't read will intrigue you, I think, but the Craig Johnson sticks out, as it's the beginning of a series and development of the Walt Longmire character. I need to read more of them. It's been made in a cable tv series here.

>119 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle! Any suggestions on additions to the YA and mystery lists would be welcome.

>120 Whisper1: Good to see you, Linda! Yes, Balzac and the Little Chinese Mistress was a standout. You know, they made a movie of it which wasn't bad, but it was one of those where it couldn't match the experience of immersion from the book. It's such an unusual book that it's hard to pick another one from the list you might like if you liked that one, but The Cellist of Sarajevo comes to mind. An immersive time with people trying to survive and maintain their humanity in embattled Sarajevo.

Thank you for recommending Gary Schmidt and Christopher Paul Curtis. I've looked at Wednesday Wars a number of times and wondered whether I'd like it. Now I'll give it a try. The second author is new to me, so I'll look into him now.

>121 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul! Look forward to the results of your time with your thinking cap.

>122 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie! I'm getting quite motivated on Wednesday Wars. Maybe I'll Kindle that one? Are illustrations important?

>123 EBT1002: Ah, I'm glad the list is that helpful, Ellen! You've picked two of my fave faves - Dr. Siri and Inspector Montalbano. I'm still getting to know Walt Longmire.

I think what you're saying is Still Life is not your favorite in Louise Penny's Inspector Gamache series? I'd agree with that, actually. I picked the first in the series for each of them. Trying to pick out a favorite from each series would be challenging, but might be fun to try.

126jnwelch
Jun 10, 2012, 8:47am Top

>124 msf59: Oh my gosh, Mark, you're right about Bangkok 8! Thanks! I'm making that change up above. Sorry everybody - especially Ellen! Bangkok 8 is the first one. Jeesh. Got my Bangkoks mixed up.

Glad you liked the list. Yes, if anyone is going to enjoy A Cold Dish, I would think it would be you. Set out West, seems like it has all the right ingredients.

127magicians_nephew
Jun 10, 2012, 9:22am Top

111: The only way to do Timon of Athens is as a over-the-top and shout your way through it, as many actors have done.
It's early Will S - never heard but that it wasn't Will S all the way through.

Pericles certainly the first two acts are some other hand - probably Fletcher. But in the third act that Shakesperean rag starts coming in, and it carries me all the way to the ending.

128jnwelch
Jun 10, 2012, 9:35am Top

>127 magicians_nephew: Hmm, thanks, James. The playbill and what I've read have Timon of Athens as a late play, and written with Thomas Middleton. Wikipedia isn't the best source, but it's easy, and will give you an idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timon_of_Athens.

Good to hear from a enthusiast! For me, Pericles was ridiculous throughout. I did feel I got flashes of "our Shakespeare" in Timon of Athens. Ian McDiarmid approached Timon with the opposite of shouting. He obviously had thought through each line, but delivered each spontaneously and naturally, and the variations in his delivery were brilliant. We were just talking about it again this morning. We can't say it was deeply moving (the play wouldn't allow for that), as with some fine performances we've seen, but it was spectacular. And the rest of the cast obviously was enchanted with him, as became clear at the curtain call - which also was a standing O from all of us.

129Crazymamie
Jun 10, 2012, 9:38am Top

Joe - illustrations are not important, so Kindle away with The Wednesday Wars - I guarantee you will love it!

You gave me a lot to think about in the mystery/thriller list - I have read the first three authors on the list and also Karin Fossum - the funny thing is that I read those each just this year because of recs from my LT friends. Dr. Siri has become one of my personal favorites. I will have to check out the rest of those titles!

130ncgraham
Jun 10, 2012, 9:40am Top

Hello there!

ronincats alerted me to the fact that you'd seen the CST production of Timon of Athens too and had posted about it. I popped by to read your thoughts. I agree that the play is a bit of a mess, but that McDiarmid was astounding. I really enjoyed the actor playing Flavius, too, but otherwise would agree that the rest of the young American actors were a bit disappointing, the Apemantus and Alcibiades.

magicians_nephew, are you maybe getting Timon of Athens confused with Titus Andronicus? Timon isn't that early—it was actually written around the same time as the 4 great tragedies—and almost all the current scholarship I've seen holds it to be a Middleton collaboration.

131magicians_nephew
Jun 10, 2012, 9:51am Top

130:

Oops

you may be right

132Donna828
Jun 10, 2012, 11:27am Top

58: Hi Joe... Love Garrison Keillor. A silly but talented man who always gets a smile from me and a belly laugh from DH.

I read mostly adult books so I put The Book Thief on my main list of the century. I favorited your mystery book list as I want to read more in that genre.

I'm glad you like that Wild Cheryl Strayed. When I referred to it that way on my thread in order to get the touchstone w/o typing in the long subtitle, Mamie thought I was reading porn. Lol.

133Crazymamie
Jun 10, 2012, 11:46am Top

Would that not be a great porn title?!

134cameling
Jun 10, 2012, 11:52am Top

Hmm...how about black pudding scotch eggs, thermos of iced tea, and fresh ripe strawberries for a picnic basket, Joe? I'm off to the Dragon Boat Festival in Cambridge this afternoon and thought a picnic on the banks of the Charles River would be a nice touch. That and a book of course.

135richardderus
Jun 10, 2012, 12:08pm Top

Two scotch eggs, some hot English mustard, and a Newcastle for me, please.

I'm trying to bend my brain around some research reading on HP Lovecraft. Omigawd it's soooooo boooooooorrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnnnggggggggg

136LauraBrook
Jun 10, 2012, 1:14pm Top

Hi Joe! Thought I saw you on Book TV an hour ago, but it was just a look-alike. Will keep my eyes peeled for you, Mark, and the gang, and I look forward to hearing about your adventures!

137jnwelch
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 4:45pm Top

>129 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie! On the Kindle Wednesday Wars will go. I just got my Kindle and I'm starting with (sorry Richard) a, to me anyway, obscure Charles Dickens called The Cricket on the Hearth. Pretty sentimental, with a dastardly villain (big surprise, right?), and I'm really enjoying it.

If you like the humor of Dr. Siri, I suspect you'd get a kick out of the Camilleri books.

>130 ncgraham: Good to see you, Nathan, and thank Roni for mentioning this place! Yes, we liked the Flavius actor, too (do you subscribe? we've seen and liked him before), and we thought the Critic (forget his name) was not bad, but we wish he had been better. "Astounding" is right. Ian McDiarmid was astounding. I still can't believe his performance, I'm still thinking about it, and we saw this Friday night.

Good call on Titus Andronicus! Sounds like you hit it. It certainly does qualify for a "Worst of" collection.

>131 magicians_nephew: Good for you, James. Sounds like it. We have seen Titus Andronicus, too, and actually might put that one below Timon and Athens but above the perennial worst "winner" Pericles. Well, I guess Timon is still worse than Titus, but what McDiarmid did is going to keep Timon forever as a good memory for us.

>>132 Donna828:, 133 Garrison Keillor has a knack for cracking us up, too, Donna, as you can tell, especially the Guy Noir episodes.

Yes, The Book Thief easily fits on an adult literature list, and I thought about doing that, too. Glad the mystery list intrigues you. I grew up reading them, as my parents were fans, especially of Dame Agatha and John Dickson Carr and Josephine Tey.

Love the porn title angle for Wild Cheryl Strayed! She'd probably love it, too, based on what I've read so far. :-) Do you think she's that honest in person? She's just amazing with her frankness.

>134 cameling: Oh my gosh, Cambridge and the Charles River. I know it well from my youth, Caro. They had one of those contests where you try to make the weirdest riverworthy vehicle for a race on the Charles, and friends and I tried to make some sort of way too ambitious polyhedron out of steel pipe. Heroic result: it fell apart and we had a good swim in the Charles. Happy ending: no trips to the hospital or need for medical shots (I don't know about now, but it wasn't the cleanest river back then).

Sorry, got distracted, you've got a picnic to put together: black pudding scotch eggs, thermos of iced tea, and fresh ripe strawberries. The chef asked, that's got to be Caro, right? Yup.

We'll pack them up, but so's you can see them:







138jnwelch
Jun 10, 2012, 4:36pm Top

>135 richardderus: Good to see you, RD! OK, here you go on the scotch eggs and Newcastle:





Hot English mustard is right next to the photo of Ray Bradbury.

I read Lovecraft as a kid and was struck by how different it was from anything I'd read, but that only goes so far. I understand your inclination to slumber.

>136 LauraBrook: Hi, Laura! We just got back from a great time with Mr. Mark at the book fair! Maybe we could get you to travel south next year? It really is a blast. Thanks to him my haul was a good bit bigger than usual. ("This is a really good one, Joe").

You ready? Here's what I got:

Song of the Lark by Willa Cather
Shadow Divers by Robert Kurson (one of Mark's -- and Caro's? recs)
The Good Soldier by Ford Madox Ford (another Mark rec)
The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down by Anne Fadiman (ditto)
Iron Council by China Mieville (how is it I haven't read this one of his? Not everybody's flavor of author, as Mark says)
Death at Epsom Downs by Robin Paige (looks like a fun Victorian mystery)
6 J.D. Robb/Nora Roberts "in Death" mysteries. (If I like the first one, Naked in Death, I'll take these on the trip to Australia)
Picadilly Jim by P.G. Wodehouse (rare to come across one of his I've never heard of)
Mr. Mulliner Speaking by P.G. Wodehouse (nice hardcover cheap)
An Irish Country Doctor by Patrick Taylor (the title says it)
Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte (a fave in a cool inexpensive hardcover)
Persuasion by Jane Austen (ditto)
Martin Chuzzlewit by Charles Dickens (don't have this one)
3 old-timey James Bond graphic novels from before I thought such things existed.

I would guess that seasonsoflove had 2 to 3 times that many. She's gone home but will let me know. I also split the cost of a pricey true crime with her and bought for her bro Against the Fall of Night, a classic sci-fi Arthur C. Clarke. What a day! Walklover found some good ones and also one of her favorite singers/guitar players was there, and she bought his newest cd.

139jnwelch
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 4:41pm Top

Wow, the rare double post!

140Crazymamie
Jun 10, 2012, 4:56pm Top

Sounds like a fun day, Joe! I actually have a copy of Picadilly Jim. Your other buys sound great and I WANT those James Bond graphic novels!! Good call on the Camilleri - I read the first one, The Shape of Water not that long ago and really liked it. I need to get to the second one which is in my TBR.

141mirrordrum
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 5:10pm Top

oh, i loved Song of the Lark in my yoot. it's the only i've read of that lot you purchased.

audible.com's having a sale and i went nutty too.

Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which has been on my wish list for a long time
The Seersucker Whipsaw by the late, great and vastly unappreciated Ross Thomas
The Terra-Cotta Dog by Andrea Camilleri because i've been meaning to get back to him anyway and y'all inspired me.
The Cellist of Sarajevo by Steven Galloway this one's down to you, JNW
Three Day Road by Joseph Boyden a stumbled-across-and-added-to- wish-list book
Generation Kill: Devil dogs, Iceman, Captain America and the new face of American war by Evan Wright been on my wish list since i watched the excellent HBO series.

i'd love to read the Fadiman but it isn't available in LP, audible or NLS. bah!

142jnwelch
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 5:32pm Top

>140 Crazymamie: Picadilly Jim - out of nowhere for me, Mamie, as you can tell. Have you read it? Liked it?

I'm glad The Shape of Water suited you. There's lots of fun reading ahead of you. Rebeccanyc is racing through them, completely hooked.

>141 mirrordrum: Hi, Ellie! I really like Willa Cather's books, as you know, so I'm looking forward to reading this love from your yoot.

As you've probably seen, I've been getting bowled over by Wild Cheryl Strayed. I've never read Ross Thomas, Joseph Boyden or Evan Wright, so I'll look forward to hearing more from you on those. The Cellist of Sarajevo is a special one, and I think it will get to you.

Sorry the Fadiman isn't available in a useable form. Have you thought about getting a Kindle? A lot of people like the way you can adjust the print size.

143msf59
Jun 10, 2012, 6:04pm Top

Ooh, that Newcastle looks yummy! Had a great time, my friend. You were the perfect companion, although we can get very dangerous following each other around. You have such a nice family and I'm already looking forward to next year.
Nice book haul too! Your comment after Martin Chuzzlewit should have been: This one is for RD!

Ellie- That's an excellent book haul too! I loved Three Day road and I'm also a fan of the HBO's Generation Kill. A very under-appreciated series.

144maggie1944
Jun 10, 2012, 7:20pm Top

I think if memory serves me, which often it does not, most all of you who write and read here in the cafe have alread read Zeitoun. However, if not: do so. If you have any tolerance for nonfiction, contemporary stories, read this one. It is a must.

*walks back to the little table in the back, in a bit of a daze*

145ffortsa
Jun 10, 2012, 7:20pm Top

ay - all these book titles are killing me! Even if I retire, I won't be able to catch up with my mental wishlist.

Joe, I've seen two productions of 'Pericles', the first one many years ago at an off-off-Broadway rep called The Cocteau, where it was directed by Tony Richardson. That was a gift. I don't know how it reads, and I know it's filled with outrageous coincidence, but somehow Richardson and the cast made it a great experience, and very moving. I can't recall where I saw the second one, but it didn't spoil my memory of the first. It's definitely not standard Shakespeare, but it can work.

'Timon', on the other hand, is a dyspepsic diatribe, and while it is probably right in its view of human society, that doesn't make it fun.

146richardderus
Jun 10, 2012, 7:42pm Top

*sigh* Book fair...*sigh*

147jnwelch
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 8:16pm Top

>143 msf59: I know, Mark, I'm already looking forward to next year, too. We've just come in from the porch, reading and drinking beer (an unimaginative but satisfying Heineken). I hope Becca lists hers on her thread; normally I get to see her haul, but she had to go back to her place. She's always the champ.

>144 maggie1944: I've heard good things about Zeitoun, Karen. I believe RD is a big fan, too. Thanks for mentioning it. I'm glad it was such a strong experience for you.

>145 ffortsa: That's encouraging to hear about Pericles, actually, Judy. I said to Debbi that McDiarmid had shown how a great performance can lift a bad play, and it sounds like you had that (maybe plural) with Pericles.

The Pericles I saw was directed by Mary Zimmerman, who did Metamorphoses, and is usually terrific. But it still was lousy, unfortunately.

>146 richardderus: It was great, Richard. A little bit of heaven for the likes of us.

148jnwelch
Jun 10, 2012, 8:15pm Top

Woo! Judith Light just won the Tony for Other Desert Cities! We saw her in it and she was great!

149msf59
Jun 10, 2012, 8:22pm Top

The pix are up on my thread. Some good ones of the infamous Joe "the Wallet"!

150Ireadthereforeiam
Jun 10, 2012, 8:23pm Top

hi Joe, just doing a rapid catch-up.... phew i think i need a Tony for my efforts :)
Scotch eggs caught my eye....its been a while but I wouldn't say no

151jnwelch
Jun 10, 2012, 8:30pm Top

>149 msf59: Great pics, Mark! Thanks for the fast work!

>150 Ireadthereforeiam: Hi, Megan! You win the Tony for best performance in a featured role on an LT thread. Scotch eggs are new to me, but I can see why they have their fans.

152cameling
Jun 10, 2012, 8:39pm Top

Mmm..thanks for my picnic spread, Joe. Much appreciated ...especially on the grassy banks as I read and watched bits of the dragon boat race. There was a nice breeze too, which kept it nice.

Love your haul at the book fair. I'm glad Mark thrust Shadow Divers into your hands. You're going to love this. And also The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down. That's a book that just remains with you after you've read it, even if you've read it years back.

Whoohoooo.. you got started on the In Death series.

The only ones in your list I haven't yet read and want to are An Irish Country Doctor and Song of the Lark. I've heard some good things about these books, so I'm looking forward to reading your reviews when you get to them.

153Whisper1
Jun 10, 2012, 8:45pm Top

Joe
I checked your home page. It is interesting to note that many of your favorites are also some of my top reads. I still think about The Adoration of Jenna Fox and Unwind.

154NarratorLady
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 9:45pm Top

Joe, my British husband has been making scotch eggs for years. His eggs are hard boiled though, more like your second photo. Delish.

I see you're watching the Tony Awards too - no surprise. I saw "Porgy and Bess" in Cambridge and it was fabulous. If Audra MacDonald doesn't win I'll be very surprised. It was one of the best performances I've ever seen in my decades as a theater goer.

My fave? Angela Lansbury as Mama Rose in "Gypsy". I've seen lots of Gypsy's since but Angela knocked it out of the park and I still remember the chills when she sang "Rose's Turn" almost 40 years later.

Back to books: I also picked up Picadilly Jim at a book fair last fall! Haven't got around to it yet, but I will.

155ronincats
Edited: Jun 10, 2012, 11:14pm Top

Drat, I have to wait another hour for the Tony Awards to start here on the West Coast. I want to see them real time!!

Don't worry about spoilers--I just watch to see the performances.

Now it is 8 here, and I loved the opening number!

156mckait
Jun 11, 2012, 7:25am Top

I would love to go to a book fair! I think Luis Urrea was there this year?
He is one of the authors I would love to meet!

I watched most of the Tony Awards.. I like it the most of any awards show...
NPH is fun and funny, and I like to watch the performances, too... most of them, anyway.

157Morphidae
Jun 11, 2012, 7:52am Top

>86 jnwelch: Top 10

I added Dairy Queen and Marcelo in the Real World to Mount TBR. The others I read or are teetering on Mount TBR already.

158maggie1944
Jun 11, 2012, 8:25am Top

Good morning! A quick latte and I'm off for a busy day. Book group meets tonite to discuss The Case of the Missing Books. Could be an interesting discussion... I hated that book!

159ffortsa
Jun 11, 2012, 9:29am Top

I too watched the Tonys last night (which is why I need lots of coffee this morning, Joe).

Jim and I had seen a lot of the straight plays but not any of the musicals or revivals, and I was hoping to whet my appetite, but nothing appealed to me. Mainly, I stuck with it to see if Nina Arianda won for best actress in a play, and she did! Whoohoo! She's really a wonder on stage.

160ncgraham
Jun 11, 2012, 9:39am Top

127 > Nope, not a subscriber. I'm from Texas but was vacationing in Chicago for about half a week. Whenever I'm in a big city I check to see what the various theaters are doing, and this was the performance that caught my eye.

161ChelleBearss
Jun 11, 2012, 10:09am Top

great book haul Joe! I'm actually a little jealous as I am not "allowed" to buy anymore books for a while. It's my own fault for joking with Nate about how many were on my TBR shelf. Apparently 63 unread books is "ridiculous" lol.

162jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 10:13am Top

*proprietor runs in and throws his hat on the rack* Woo, sorry about that. Hope someone put some coffee on!

>152 cameling: You're welcome, Caro. Sounds like a beatific time by the river. I thought you were the one, besides Mark, who loved Shadow Divers! I'm looking forward to it, although I think I'll go fiction first after finishing Wild Cheryl Strayed. I'm looking forward to the Anne Fadiman book, too, having been bowled over by her Ex Libris.

Yes, I'm trying the "in Death" series, finally! I hadn't realized it's set in the future, which adds an interesting twist. The Irish Doctor and Song of the Lark look good to me, too. I'll report back.

>153 Whisper1: Thanks, Linda! I knew there were more. It seems like such a golden time for YA. Yes, The Adoration of Jenna Fox and Unwind} were both very good.

>154 NarratorLady: Hi, Anne! You were on the money with Audra McDonald! How great to have seen that performance.

Angela Lansbury is remarkable, and seeing her must have been a treat, too. She was a hoot last night with the boilerplate, wasn't she?

Picadilly Jim is bound to be fun. I know Wodehouse was prolific, but I was surprised I didn't know this one.

>155 ronincats: Hi, Roni. Jeez, I just assumed they put the Tonys on real time on the West Coast, too. Neal Patrick Harris is really something, isn't he? And it's nice to have someone (relatively) young hosting an award show.

We were happy Clybourne Park won. We saw it here at Steppenwolf. I do wonder how the second, current time, act, is going to be perceived years from now. We're too steeped in it to have perspective, seems to me.

163jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 10:36am Top

>156 mckait: Luis Urrea was there, Kath, although we didn't see him. They have good events in the tents, authors like him and there were a couple of sessions about Jane Austen's that intrigued me, but we always gravitate to the book stalls!

NPH does a really good job hosting the Tonys, and they're smart to emphasize the performances. The musical numbers were fun. I don't think many people tune in for acceptance speeches.

One unlikely favorite for me was the "Ghost" performance. And I loved the Moonbeam song they did from "Once". (I was skeptical they could improve on the movie, but that sure looked good).

>157 Morphidae: Thanks, Morphy. Those (Dairy Queen and Marcelo in the Real World are two mighty good ones.

I'm adding from others top tens, including The Wednesday Wars and Mockingbird thanks to Crazymamie. I thought the later was Mockingjay on her list, and then noticed it's another book entirely.

>158 maggie1944: Hah! We've got your latte ready, Karen! Can't wait to hear about the book discussion of one you hated. :-)

>159 ffortsa: How great to have seen Nina Arianda's performance, Judy! I know nothing about "Venus in Fur' apart from what they showed last night. I'd love to see her.

Debbi and I were talking about how Broadway has really bounced back. It was a sad situation a few years ago. Now we'd like to go and see all the shows.

>160 ncgraham: Good for you, Nathan. We do the same thing - try to catch some good theater in the city we're visiting. What an extraordinary performance you found.

>161 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle. It was a blast. I do know the problem of needing to balance the joys of buying new ones with making progress on Mount TBR. On top of that, for me, I got a Kindle for the first time, so of course I'm adding books on that, too. The free stuff is mind-boggling.

Right now I've got Naked in Death, The Cricket and the Hearth, Wild Cheryl Strayed, The Incal Collection and The Western Lit Survival Kit: An Irreverent Guide all up in the air spinning and I'm trying not to let any one of them fall.

164Crazymamie
Jun 11, 2012, 11:09am Top

Oh Joe, You are going to LOVE that Kindle! I have not read Picadilly Jim, but my oldest sister is a huge Wodehouse fan - I think the book was a gift from her, or maybe she was getting rid of some books...I don't know, but I have it. Books come and go here - my house is like the drop off zone for unwanted books. Every holiday the relatives leave and they usually borrow some of mine and leave those of theirs that they are finished with. Sometimes friends leave boxes of books on our front porch and I take them in and find them new homes. Like a bookmobile, only I never have to leave home! Occasionally though, I end up missing a copy of something that I want and then I have to chase it down or replace it. Right now I am missing my copies of Dr. No and The Little Sister - and I was reading the latter one!

165richardderus
Jun 11, 2012, 11:39am Top

Oh dear...Joe's a Kindler now...friend me on Facebook, Joe, and I'll turn you on to the freebie crack merchants there.

166EBT1002
Jun 11, 2012, 11:56am Top

*screeching through at top speed*

167jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 12:03pm Top

>164 Crazymamie: Interesting family/friend bookmobile-type nexus you've got going there, Mamie! We were talking to Mark yesterday about how we've started to buy used copies of our favorites for loaning to friends so we don't have to worry about their coming back to us or not.

Yes, I'm loving the Kindle already. In fact, I just put the two YA faves of yours, The Wednesday Wars and Mockingbird, on it. So once I get through with the one by RD's favorite author I'll turn to Wednesday Wars. It will be interesting to work out the balance with hard copies, which will always be my first love.

>165 richardderus: It's sure going to help when we travel, Richard. We'll all taken book-stuffed backpacks or shoulder bags in the past. At least the stuffing will be less than it has been.

Thanks for the offer; I'll find you on Facebook. I don't spend much time on it - I'd rather be here. But I'll find you and I appreciate the freebie offer.

168jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 12:04pm Top

>166 EBT1002: Whoa! Was that Ellen?

169seasonsoflove
Jun 11, 2012, 12:08pm Top

I clocked in at 27 books this year. I already shelved them, but needless to say I believe they were all mysteries, except for Freakonomics.

170jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 12:31pm Top

Ah, thanks for letting me know, Becca. I came a lot closer to your total than usual, probably because of Mark's specials of the day. I look forward to hearing what you think of that Michigan murders one. If you haven't stopped by Mark's thread, he's got pics posted.

171NarratorLady
Jun 11, 2012, 1:41pm Top

Joe: you can catch Nina Arianda in "Venus in Fur" and "Born Yesterday" on youtube. She is amazing and I can't wait to see what she does next; she's only 28 and has a long, promising career ahead. Clybourne Park was ending its run at Steppenwolf when we were in Chicago last fall but we opted for dinner with long lost friends instead. I'm sure one of our excellent local theaters will put it on soon.

Ah yes, back to books. Reading In My Brother's Image: Twin Brothers Separated by Faith after the Holocaust by Eugene L. Pogany. Riveting so far.

172jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 2:53pm Top

>171 NarratorLady: Hi, Anne. Thanks for the good tip on this young actress. I'll look forward to hearing what you think about Clybourne Park when the time comes. I keep puzzling that second act in my mind.

Wow, In My Brother's Image looks like it could be a knock-out. I look forward to hearing about that, too.

173maggie1944
Jun 11, 2012, 3:46pm Top

Joe, I love my Kindle, too! I got all my family to help me buy the first one for Christmas. It used to be really expensive. But boy howdie, they are a lot less expensive, and a lot more flexible. Nevertheless, one Kindle and one Nook and lots of real life books and I am one happy retired girl.

174jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 5:14pm Top

>173 maggie1944: Good to hear, Karen. I already appreciate the convenience, lesser expense and flexibility. I need to figure out whether there's some way to mark passages I like. Glad to hear you're one happy retired girl!

175cameling
Jun 11, 2012, 5:16pm Top

Joe, there is a way to highlight passages that you like on the Kindle and bookmark them.

176Crazymamie
Jun 11, 2012, 5:23pm Top

Yes, Joe you can mark passages and take notes which is great because then anytime you want you can pull up all of your notes and highlights - so wonderful. I love to collect quotes and take notes, so I really am addicted to that particular feature.

177jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 5:23pm Top

Thanks, Caro. I'll track that down. I thought there might be.

178DeltaQueen50
Jun 11, 2012, 5:35pm Top

Hi Joe, congratulations on your Kindle, enjoy. I wasn't sure if I would like mine when my girls gifted me with one, but I don't know what I would do without it now.

Looks like you had a great time at the book fair and came home with plenty of goods. I'm now off to Mark's thread to check out the pictures.

179jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 5:59pm Top

Thanks, Judy. Yeah, I know what you mean. We've been pondering for quite a while. When my son's girlfriend got him one for graduation (I know, she must like him a lot), and he started enthusiastically showing what it could do, the rest of us started seeing the light.

It was a lot of fun to have Mark with us at the book fair. We've been going for more than 20 years, since the kids were wee. Debbi managed the children's events there for years. It's just a great time if you're a book lover.

180Ireadthereforeiam
Jun 11, 2012, 6:02pm Top

Mmmmmm, book fair.
Put that on your menu and it'll be a full house

181jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 6:08pm Top

Hah! Wouldn't that be fun, Megan! We'll start researching how that might be done. Maybe all the science fiction reading will start to pay off now.

182EBT1002
Jun 11, 2012, 6:21pm Top

Joe has joined the ranks of Kindlers. Look forward to hearing how it works for you, Joe.
I'm still killing trees..... :-)

183jnwelch
Jun 11, 2012, 6:26pm Top

Good to see you without a tornado in your wake, Ellen! As you can tell from the book fair story, among others, there are plenty of paper books in my future. It's going to be interesting to figure out the best balancing. There's certainly an appeal to putting really bulky books on the Kindle, and it's going to be great for our long plane trip, holding a whole lot of books.

I'll keep you posted. The good news is it's simple to use. I've resisted learning everything I might re the smart phone - it just ain't worth it to me.

184msf59
Jun 11, 2012, 6:28pm Top

Hi Joe! The Cafe is hopping! How is "Wild" shaping up? Good stuff, huh? You will love shadow Divers. I'm nearly halfway through Dandelion wine and it's been wonderful.
Congrats on the Kindle. I'm still holding out, although I'm beginning to be surrounded.

185PaulCranswick
Edited: Jun 11, 2012, 8:44pm Top

Mark is right Joe activity here is frenetic at the moment with your book purchases and excellent food and libation.

186maggie1944
Jun 12, 2012, 12:16am Top

OK, home from the discussion on the book (The Case of the Missing Books) I hated. I was converted. My book group friends convinced me that I just needed to look at it differently, kind of the way I might look at a Sat. Night Live Skit. No one expects them to be credible, and there are lots of really mean people in those skits, and we just laugh our heads off, don't we.

So, I guess I don't hate the book any more, just am not sure I want to read any more like it. Plus I don't watch Sat. Night Live any more either, and I don't like the slap stick comedy which laughs at people falling down, and getting slapped, either. Just color me dull, I guess.

187Morphidae
Jun 12, 2012, 6:31am Top

My laptop crashed over the weekend and I had to get a new one. It was disconcerting to realize when MrMorphy came home with it, that it cost less than most new phones.

188jnwelch
Jun 12, 2012, 11:17am Top

>184 msf59: Loving Wild Cheryl Strayed, Mark! I'm near the end, and grumpy about work vs. reading at the moment. Totally with you on this one. And I'm looking forward to Shadow Divers. When you and Caro team up, it's impossible to resist (and I'm glad).

You do know Kindle has audio, too, right? :-)

>185 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul. I actually was glad to walk in quite late for me from a meeting and find there were only a few folks sitting around the tables, and that all had been served. Yesterday I felt a little guilty, although the chef did a great job keeping up in my absence.

>186 maggie1944: Very interesting, Karen. A change in perspective can make a big difference. I remember hating Instance of the Fingerpost, and my sister convincing me to read the last section, which of course did change everything. I liked it much more after that, but still was left with a feeling similar to yours with this one.

I watch SNL highlights now on Hulu or Youtube or wherever. I did make a point of watching the SNL that Melissa McCarthy hosted, and was glad I did. At the end of her opening monologue she told her kids to " go to bed now" because "Mama is going to be naughty." Was she ever! Hilarious.

>187 Morphidae: Laptops and computer technology are getting so cheap now, aren't they, Morphy? We're getting all teched up at home because the prices are so good.

Makes me remember something I wanted to comment on. Does anyone remember the terrifying Ray Bradbury story, The Veldt? (I'm pretty sure I've got the title right). Two children in an immersive "tv" room where all four walls were designed to turn into an environment, like the Star Trek holodeck could, and what happened to them.

Why do I mention it? I keep thinking we're not far away from that, the way tech is developing so rapidly.

189mckait
Jun 12, 2012, 11:40am Top

I just read The Veldt. Almost done with Vintage Bradbury, and that is part of it..
I always wondered if TNG Hollodeck came from that story...

190ffortsa
Jun 12, 2012, 11:46am Top

I recall in Farenheit 451, the fireman's wife is addicted to her full-wall interactive soap operas. She is campaigning for a fourth wall, so she can be totally immersed. Scary.

191mckait
Jun 12, 2012, 11:51am Top

Kaleidoscope... OMG !! What a story .The Illustrated Man ( short version? I don't remember) amazing.

192maggie1944
Jun 12, 2012, 12:18pm Top

Related to the previous discussion about my Book group's convincing me to have a different attitude towards a book: And that's why we like having book groups!

193richardderus
Jun 12, 2012, 12:43pm Top

>192 maggie1944: Indeed, Karen44. I've even been convinced to read plays on the choice of the book group. I still hate reading plays, but Long Day's Journey Into Night is an extraordinarily subtle and amazing story. I would not have known without having to read it for book circle.

194jnwelch
Jun 12, 2012, 1:09pm Top

>189 mckait: That's the one, Kath. You know, I hadn't wondered about a connection with TNG holodeck until I wrote that post. It makes me wonder, too.

>190 ffortsa: I'd forgotten about the Farenheit 451 full wall/4th wall part, Judy! How interesting that he used that very good idea again. We may be heading for it. Wow, what if you could be in the middle of your favorite show like that? (Game of Thrones, anyone? Not that I've seen it yet). Civilization as we know it might grind to a halt.

>191 mckait: I loved The Illustrated Man, Kath, but I don't remember "Kaleidoscope" by that name. T.I.M. certainly was an amazing book.

>192 maggie1944: I've never been in a book group, Karen, sad to say. LT is the closest I've ever come. I can see how RL discussions could be great.

>193 richardderus: I did read Long Day's Journey into Night, Richard, and agree. The other one that's a good read in my mind is Death of a Salesman, although it's another heartbreaker. I'm sure I read them on someone's recommendation back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

195maggie1944
Edited: Jun 12, 2012, 1:37pm Top

If I had the chance to be in a "surround reality picture" - four walls of being there - well, it would not be in Game of Thrones. Holy moley, a less attractive, uncomfortable environment I am hard pressed to imagine. Although... having read quite a bit of historical fiction, there are some pretty awful places I've read.

Trying to think of a place I might like to visit... maybe My Antonia or one of Ivan Doig's books.

196jnwelch
Jun 12, 2012, 2:10pm Top

>195 maggie1944: Good point, Karen. I'd think about My Antonia. With a tip of the hat to Morphy, who also liked this one, the first one that comes to mind for me is Garden Spells. That's a world I wouldn't mind spending some time in.

197richardderus
Jun 12, 2012, 2:16pm Top

>195 maggie1944: I'd sell every single person on LiberryThing to the aliens for glusplorgle chow if I could have one of those immersion doohickeys loaded with Islandia. No regrets.

Sorry, y'all, but boy's gotta do...

198jnwelch
Jun 12, 2012, 3:20pm Top

>197 richardderus: Ah, a rural utopia. Jeez, I read that one (Islandia) way too many years ago, Richard, but it sure seems like a great choice. I do think you'd have to give up your Kindle, too. :-)

The chef's drawing a blank on glusplorgle chow, and he doesn't often get stumped.

199FAMeulstee
Jun 12, 2012, 3:37pm Top

hi Joe

Just a quick stop to say farewell, as I am leaving :-(
The other anti depressant I am on now, has a nasty side effect: I can't read, so goodbye, keep a place for me, I will return, but it will take some years...

Anita

200jnwelch
Jun 12, 2012, 3:38pm Top

The proprietor has to leave early today, so please give a holler to the chef if you need anything. Pies are on the counter.

201jnwelch
Jun 12, 2012, 3:41pm Top

>199 FAMeulstee: Yikes, that popped in just as I was posting, Anita! What sad news! Thank you for coming by. What a lousy development, although I know that antidepressant has to take priority. I hope they figure out a way you can return that's a whole lot shorter than "years."

We'll be thinking of you and missing you. If there's anything I can do on my end, please let me know. Much sympathy to you. It's been great getting to know you! I'll travel over to your thread asap.

202Smiler69
Jun 12, 2012, 3:50pm Top

Joe, I don't think I mentioned on my last visit how much I love the Monet paintings at the top of your thread. He's one of my favourites for sure. My only complaint? They should be BIGGER! :-)

I've been loving all the book lists here. Between Paul and you, I've been itching to put together my own, but my time on LT being limited these days, am contenting myself by reading the existing lists for now.

Great haul at the book fair, and thanks for your recent recommendation.

203msf59
Jun 12, 2012, 6:06pm Top

Hi Joe- Gorgeous day, huh? I stopped by Binny's on the way home. I love that store. It's a Beer Fest! If only they had books too! I'd never leave. I was stocking up for our camping trip this weekend.

204maggie1944
Jun 12, 2012, 9:16pm Top

Interesting news from the future generations front: my 4 year old niece, unknown by me, purchased a $15 Dora the Explorer book on my Nook today!

Four years old!

Be prepared, oldsters, they are coming..... this future generation who never knew a world without TV, Xbox, Nook, Kindle, GPS, etc. Wonder what they'll do when they can't afford all these gadgets and the electricity they eat?

205jnwelch
Jun 13, 2012, 9:14am Top

>202 Smiler69: Good to see you, Ilana! I think you'll like what's coming up at the next cafe, and I'll ask the signmaker to make it a bit bigger.

I know, it's a bit time-consuming to do the faves lists, but they're fun at the same time, as you remind yourself of great reads you've enjoyed. I still have to get my graphic novel one up, maybe this afternoon.

You're welcome on the recommendation. I've been impressed with the guy.

>203 msf59: Yes, another beautiful one out there, Mark. Nice trip to work and I'm going to spend some time at lunch out there. I've heard Binny's is great. You know, we have a bookstore near us called The Book Cellar, and she sells books (good selection), wine, with a little sitting area. (Hmm, I wonder how a Book Cafe would do?)

Camping trip, eh? That sounds perfect right about now. Where are you going?

>204 maggie1944: Hah! It's never to young to learn how to buy books, Karen!

When ours were growing up, they always knew their dad would pay for books, although we kept video games out of the house (they could play educational games on the PC). Of course, now my son in particular has every game console known to humankind, and collects vintage video games, but he's also a big reader. Becca is a voracious reader, but also adept at making videos with soundtracks and special effects, that kind of thing. And she loves mystery video games like Nancy Drew.

206richardderus
Jun 13, 2012, 11:25am Top

Glusplorgles are the carnivorous pets of the aliens. Chow for the glusplorgles, well, sorry....

207jnwelch
Jun 13, 2012, 1:19pm Top

Ah, okay then. Time for a trip to glusplorgles-less Islandia, I can tell.

208ronincats
Jun 13, 2012, 2:40pm Top

>197 richardderus: Oh, Richard, you remind me so much of the protagonist in Harlan Ellison's A Boy and his Dog!

209jnwelch
Jun 13, 2012, 3:19pm Top

*enjoys reference to great story*

210richardderus
Jun 13, 2012, 4:25pm Top

I haven't read that story since I don't know when! I was a teen, I feel sure. And that was more years ago than I want to think about. I'll have to re-read some Ellison soon.

211mirrordrum
Jun 13, 2012, 5:34pm Top

as for an immersive experience, for me, it's Middle Earth, esp. the Shire, Elrond's house, Tom Bombadill's, and, of course, Lothlorien! wouldn't mind spending a night at the Prancing Pony and would dearly love to see the Dimrill Dale, Mirrormere, Bay of Belfalas, Nimrodel and Ithilien. this has nowt to do with the movie(s), which really did nothing for me although i know i'm in the minority. wouldn't mind meeting an ent, either.

i'm about half way through Disco for the departed, possibly my least favorite thus far of the Dr. Siri series but i think b/c it's more difficult to follow in audio than the others. i worry about Mr. Geung, whom i adore.

started Generation kill the other night on a whim and it's excellent. on a par, i think, with Finkel's the good soldiers, which came close to being a 5-star. it's wonderful to read a book on the invasion that isn't politically-driven. it's about the soldiers in all their diversity and about the insanity of the army. apparently not much has changed since Dad's experiences in Bastogne and the Ardennes in WWII.

Wright doesn't make it an indictment of war nor an apologia. he presents what he experienced and what he saw and heard from the troops and leaves the reader to think about it. i like that! i hope i can write a review. i highly recommend it. HBO did a bang-up job, i must say.

à tout à l'heure.

212jnwelch
Jun 13, 2012, 6:26pm Top

>212 jnwelch: Well, it's been a long time for me, too, but I remember eating being a major issue. Tried to say that in a spoiler-free way.

>210 richardderus: I love that one for immersion, Ellie. The Shire, and Lothlorien, would top my list, and I sure would enjoy meeting some Ents.

Generation Kill looks like it could be a good one. Look forward to your comments when you're done. Sounds like HBO did a series based on it?

Wild: From Found to Lost on the Pacific Trail was great, and I'll try to review it tomorrow.

Too busy at my non-cafe job! Pies on the counter.

213msf59
Jun 13, 2012, 6:36pm Top

Joe- We are going to Turkey Run State Park in Indiana. It's about 2 1/2, 3 hrs from here. It's a nice park. We were there a couple years ago.
"Hmm, I wonder how a Book Cafe would do?" Me too, my friend. Sounds absolutely dreamy.

214mirrordrum
Edited: Jun 13, 2012, 8:58pm Top

HBO did indeed do a series: Generation Kill. what makes it even better is that Evan Wright, the author of the book was doing it for Rolling Stone. :) he says his greatest influences were Christopher Isherwood and Mark Twain. dang!

mmmmm. do i spy lemon meringue pie on that there counter?

215EBT1002
Edited: Jun 13, 2012, 9:04pm Top

Way up above: Good to see you without a tornado in your wake, Ellen! ---- cracks me up that this aspect of my way of being in the world comes through in my interactions on LT ---- how does that happen?

June has certainly turned into the month of Ray Bradbury .... :-)

216magicians_nephew
Jun 13, 2012, 11:13pm Top

Harlen Ellison, like Chief White Halfoat in Catch 22 has settled in at home and is waiting to die.

Of course he has been at it for a while now.

He genuinely is sick and I wish he wouldn't make SUCH a performance piece out of it - it's upsetting to his friends and admirers.

OTOH a man if he can choose nothing else, can choose how he faces death. So that's the way that is.

217ronincats
Jun 13, 2012, 11:48pm Top

>212 jnwelch: Joe, you could indeed say that. But a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, as Richard would say. Of course, it would be a lot easier for Richard than for many a male.

I have the sequel to Dandelion Wine, which I bought several years ago and still haven't read, as I felt I needed to reread the original book first. Which I now have, so I have no excuse.

218mirrordrum
Jun 14, 2012, 1:31am Top

>216 magicians_nephew: i'd forgotten Chief White Halfoat. about all i can remember of catch-22 is 'where are all the Snowdens of yesteryear' and Maj. Major Major Major. and, of course, catch-22. i think i'll read it again now that i'm a whole lot older. thanks for the reminder, James.

i think another piece of the pie's in order. delectable crust and i like the touch of little shreds of lemon peel in the custardy part.

219scaifea
Jun 14, 2012, 7:15am Top

#213 Mark: Oooh, I grew up only about 30 minutes from there! Spent one of my post-proms hiking in that park. It's lovely.

220jnwelch
Edited: Jun 14, 2012, 9:12am Top

>213 msf59: Sounds great, Mark. Have fun camping there. I may consult you about that some time. Yeah, wouldn't a RL Book Cafe be something? Of course, we'd keep the LT one open, too.

>214 mirrordrum: First, Ellie, let's get you that pie:



Hmm, I may have to find that series. That (Isherwood and Twain) is a rare combo of influences, isn't it?

>215 EBT1002: We do get to know each other, don't we, Ellen? Glad you could stop by - stay and relax for a while. :-) I was thinking how glad I am that people value Ray Bradbury's writings the way they do. He lived such a long life that many of his most compelling novels and stories were written some time ago, but they live on.

>216 magicians_nephew: Yeah, I know, James. I was just saying to my wife that I don't know how Harlan Ellison's works are going to do when he's gone because he's been so off-putting to so many, including his own fan base. As far as I know, he belligerently struck out on his own from the beginning, but you're not going to have the affection about him that we're seeing with Ray Bradbury. Should that matter? Maybe not.

>217 ronincats: Hah! Oh my, can't wait to hear RD's reaction to it being easier for him, Roni!

I didn't know there was a sequel to Dandelion Wine! What's the title?

>218 mirrordrum: I don't know if you can see them, Ellie, but there are shreds of lemon peel in there:



I didn't remember Chief White Halfoat either, Ellie (people finding oil were his nemeses, right?), and we're psychically linked on Name with Many Majors and, of course, Yossarian.

>219 scaifea: Is that near Indianapolis, Amber? Because of allergies in the family, we had to stop camping, but Walklover and I love to hike.

221jnwelch
Edited: Jun 14, 2012, 10:17am Top



Chery Strayed the author of Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, didn't have much growing up, but her mother always said "We aren't poor, because we're rich in love." Her mother was everything to the family, a "spectacular mom" despite her deficiencies. But she then unexpectedly dies of cancer before turning fifty. Her parting time with the author is heartwrenching. Once she dies, the family splinters, and the 26 year old author begins to engage in self-destructive behavior. Her cringe-inducing honesty is critical to understanding what follows. She decides she will save waitressing money and hike the Pacific Crest Trail for 100 days, a hike that will eventually take her from the Mojave Desert in California to Oregon.

She's totally inexperienced. She does some smart things, including having a friend ship a box of food, money (a constant worry at stopping points), and a new book, to strategic locations spaced along her trip. She does lots of not very smart things, too. Her backpack (nicknamed "Monster") is heavier than those carried by the largest men she encounters, and her shoes are a constant problem. Despite the downward trajectory in her life, her willpower is extraordinary. "I decided I was safe. I was strong. I was brave. . . . Every time I heard a sound of unknown origin or felt something horrible cohering in my imagination, I pushed it away. I simply did not let myself become afraid." She can't imagine anything worse happening than her mother dying anyway.

That is not to say she doesn't have many, many scary moments, some natural, some human. Quitting comes to mind frequently, especially at the outset. She's nonetheless driven to complete the mission she assigned herself, not to change her into a different person, "but back to the person I used to be - strong and responsible, clear-eyed and driven, ethical and good." The woman who begins the hike is nowhere near being that person.

She is adept at conveying the deprivations, the physical challenges and pain, so that the reader fully understands the relief of crawling into her tent at the end of the day and reading a book. At times she looks like "the victim of a violent and bizarre crime . . . as if I'd been beaten with sticks." As she gets stronger, however, she also is adept at conveying the beauty that surrounds her (the daily "unexpected and sweet happenings that stand out in stark relief to the challenges of the trail"), the joys of meeting comrades on the trail, and magnified significance of small kindnesses.

The books she is reading are important to her throughout her journey. She even managed to hit me with a book bullet for The Ten Thousand Things by Maria Dermout, a Dutch novel that sounds like it deserves to be better known. Close to my heart, the most important book to her, that she keeps with her the entire way, is one of the first poetry books I fell in love with, Adrienne Rich's Dream of a Common Language. A common language of love, pain, hope. You will enjoy sharing that common language with Cheryl Strayed on her journey in this remarkable book.

222richardderus
Jun 14, 2012, 10:34am Top

>221 jnwelch: Thumbs-upped it, despite the fact that I'd rather be flensed and fried in motor oil than read yet another book about some woman finding herself.

I don't know what it is that is alleged to be easier for me. Enlighten, please?

223jnwelch
Edited: Jun 14, 2012, 1:15pm Top

Thanks, Mr. Faster Than a Speeding Book Bullet! This one might be worth your being flensed and fried. You'd appreciate her extreme honesty.

The easier for you refers to Roni's >217 ronincats: comment about A Boy and His Dog, and how it would be easier for you to do what's done "than many a male." Trying to stay spoiler-free for those who decide to track down this excellent story that was made into a so-so movie.

224mckait
Jun 14, 2012, 11:18am Top

thumbed, but ditto what rd said.. lol

225richardderus
Jun 14, 2012, 11:37am Top

All I really remember about that story was the nihilistic anhedonism. Clearly time for a re-read.

226ChelleBearss
Jun 14, 2012, 12:45pm Top

Good review Joe! I am still on the wait list at my library for that one. Hopefully I'll have it next month

227jnwelch
Jun 14, 2012, 1:20pm Top

>224 mckait: Understood, Kath. I still recommend it highly; she's clear-eyed and unsentimental about herself, and the journey's a good one.

>225 richardderus: I pm'd you about this, Richard. :-)

>226 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle. You'll be glad. I know my wife is going to love this one.

228richardderus
Jun 14, 2012, 2:10pm Top

Heh! Got it. *snerk*

229ronincats
Edited: Jun 14, 2012, 2:43pm Top

*tee hee*

It's Farewell Summer, Joe, published in 2006, 49 years after Dandelion Wine. It is reputedly darker in tone, and not as universally loved as DW.

230mirrordrum
Jun 14, 2012, 3:07pm Top

i've never read Dandelion wine. it downloads itself from NLS as we're talking even speaking.

am looking forward to Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail except for the beginning which sounds like it hits a bit close to home. thumbdit.

tasty lemon shreds in the pie. kudos to the cook. :)

231jnwelch
Jun 14, 2012, 3:33pm Top

>228 richardderus: Hah! Good. :-)

>229 ronincats: Thanks, Roni. Hmm, have to think about that one (the sequel). Thanks for letting me know!

>230 mirrordrum: Oo, I'm glad you're going to read Dandelion Wine, Ellie. It's such a good book.

I got to tell you, the first part of Wild: Lost and Found hit a bit close to home for me, as we lost my mother to cancer not that long ago. But it's well done, and I just went with it.

I'll pass on your kudos to the cook, who will no doubt appreciate them. Unusual requests seem to spark that creative fire.

232scaifea
Jun 14, 2012, 3:46pm Top

>220 jnwelch:: Sort of, but not really; it's about 1.5 hours from Indy.

233jnwelch
Jun 14, 2012, 3:54pm Top

>232 scaifea: Got it, thanks, Amber. West of it.

234jnwelch
Edited: Jun 15, 2012, 9:38am Top

OK, top ten favorite graphic novels (or graphic works, or comics, or whatever you want to call them) published in the last ten years, here we go:

1. Alice in Sunderland by Bryan Talbot
2. The Arrival by Shaun Tan
3. Britten and Brulightly by Hannah Berry
4. Blankets by Craig Thompson
5. The Complete Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
6. The Complete Essex County by Jeff Lemire
7. Local by Brian Wood
8. Scott Pilgrim by Bryan Lee O'Malley
9. Logicomix by Apostolos Doxiadis
10. American Born Chinese by Gene Luen Yang

Runners-up: The Tale of One Bad Rat by Bryan Talbot, Bone by Jeff Smith, A Distant Neighborhood, The Zoo in Winter and The Walking Man, all by Jiro Taniguchi, The Rabbi's Cat by Joann Sfar, Too Cool to be Forgotten by Alex Robinson, and The Walking Dead by Robert Kirkman. At NarratorLady's reminder, Fun Home also belongs in this category.

Did I miss any? Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi and the sequel came out just a little too far back to make this list. Lone Wolf and Cub goes way back.

235richardderus
Edited: Jun 14, 2012, 6:14pm Top

236jnwelch
Jun 14, 2012, 6:16pm Top

Hah! Oh, I love that strip so.

237maggie1944
Jun 14, 2012, 6:39pm Top

Me, too!

238NarratorLady
Edited: Jun 14, 2012, 10:40pm Top

Hi Joe,

I can't call myself much of a graphic novel reader since I could never compile a list but I will try a couple of yours. Most of the ones I have read have been more poignant - even searing - than comic, and the format makes them even more moving.

David Small's Stitches: A Memoir is amazing and Alison Bechdel's Fun Home: A Family Tragicomic and her compilation of 20 years of her strip Dykes to Watch Out For are all wonderful. She has a new book out about her mother which I haven't read yet but it's better to read Fun Home first.

239SandDune
Jun 15, 2012, 7:51am Top

#234 One thing I was going to try this year was to read some graphic fiction. I had Maus and Persepolis for my birthday but I haven't got round to them yet, and Alice in Sunderland was one I've got on my wishlist. I might move it further up the wishlist if it's that good. If it's better than The Arrival it must be worth reading!

240jnwelch
Edited: Jun 15, 2012, 9:46am Top

>237 maggie1944: Good morning, Kath. I wonder what Bill Watterson has been up to?

>238 NarratorLady: Yes, I agree, Anne, the combined form can make them very moving. I don't think you can go wrong reading any of the ones on the list. The one exception might be Alice in Sunderland, which is quite unusual and I could see not being everyone's flavor. Well, and Scott Pilgrim's humor might not be for everybody.

You're right, Fun Home should be on the runners-up list. I wasn't as taken by it as others have been, but it definitely belongs in a group of the top graphics from the past ten years.

Stitches for some reason has felt like a homework assignment, but I know it is revered by many, so I'll pick it up again (I had it from the library, and it just wasn't the right time).

>239 SandDune: Hah, you know what, Rhian, I didn't think of the list as being in descending order. The Arrival is in a class by itself. See if you can read a bit of Alice in Sunderland at a store, and that probably will let you know if it's for you. As I mentioned in the post to Anne, it's an unusual one. A great one, but an unusual one. I suppose they all are unusual in one way or another, but Sunderland seems quirkier than most.

241magicians_nephew
Jun 15, 2012, 10:22am Top

240:

Admire Bill Watterson for knowing when to quit and going out on top with Calvin and Hobbes.

242jnwelch
Jun 15, 2012, 12:37pm Top

>241 magicians_nephew: Yes, I know what you mean, James. I admire that, too.

I'm just hoping a guy with that much creative ability will give us something else great some day. I feel the same way about Gary Larson (The Far Side). I do have the feeling that the pressure of creating a quality daily strip may have a huge burnout effect.

243EBT1002
Jun 15, 2012, 1:06pm Top

Your review of Wild is excellent, Joe. I will be on the lookout for it. Have you already commented on the mild irony of her name being Cheryl Strayed?

And I still miss Calvin & Hobbes. My favorite comic strip of all time (although I'm also a fan of For Better or For Worse).

244jnwelch
Jun 15, 2012, 1:31pm Top

>243 EBT1002: Thanks, Ellen. You know, part of the irony with her last name is she chose it! She changed her name before the events in Wild: From Lost to Found. She talks about that a bit in the book.

I know, Calvin & Hobbes is my all-time favorite strip, too. What an accomplishment to make people laugh, but also challenge them to think, in this format.

245richardderus
Jun 15, 2012, 1:35pm Top

help help can't read too hungry need chili cheese fries with onions and jalapenos stat help wasting away like the wicked witch help

246jnwelch
Edited: Jun 15, 2012, 1:46pm Top

*running from kitchen* Chili cheese fries with onions and jalapenos, here you go:



Woo! Got to sit down for a minute.

247richardderus
Jun 15, 2012, 1:48pm Top

I am revitalized! I don't know if I'm vital enough to go back to The Radetzky March, my book circle book, just yet. It's a lotta book.

248ffortsa
Jun 15, 2012, 2:26pm Top

So she chose 'Strayed', huh? Somehow that feels weird to me, and maybe pretentious. Doesn't mean the book suffers, though.

249jnwelch
Jun 15, 2012, 3:30pm Top

>247 richardderus: Phew! Excellent. Kudos to you for taking on The Radetzky March. I don't know if that one's ever going to be in my future, but I'll look forward to your take on it.

>248 ffortsa: The book (Wild: From Lost to Found) doesn't suffer from it, most importantly, Judy. I don't know exactly what to make of her choosing that name. I like it as a name, and her explanation of why she chose it, at a difficult time, was fine by me. I almost quoted it in the review, but it seemed like TMI. If we have Mark stop in at some point, we can get his take.

250mckait
Jun 15, 2012, 4:21pm Top

Books, food and good company, ahhhh !

251NarratorLady
Jun 15, 2012, 4:59pm Top

Richard: I read a piece about Joseph Roth a while ago that piqued my interest. I'll look forward to your review of The Radetzky March since I haven't met anyone yet who's read it!

252jnwelch
Jun 15, 2012, 5:31pm Top

>250 mckait: You betcha, Kath! Good way to start the weekend - put your feet up and we'll get you a cool drink.

>251 NarratorLady: Me either!

All right, it's that time again. Please gather whatever you brought and sidle over to the new cafe. We'll bring the rest.

253plt
Jun 18, 2012, 6:19pm Top

Hi All,

Piping in here to recommend Radetsky March in particular and Joseph Roth in general. He's one of my all-time favorite authors and a fabulous story teller. If the old Austro-Hungarian Empire and central Europe is your "thing" (it's definitely one of mine!), he is one of the best (along maybe with Zweig) at transporting the reader back to that time.
Maybe strudel and Viennese coffee in your cafe Joe?
I love his novels, but last summer, I read What I Saw: Reports from Berlin. Roth was a journalist in Berlin in the 1920's. This book (totally different from his novels) is a collection of newspaper essays capturing slices of life during the waning days of the Weimar Republic.
By the way, congrats on your Kindle Joe. I love my Nook, but a word of warning for those who are used to breaking open a book anytime, anywhere -- Be sure to keep that Kindle charged. I've learned the sad way (unfortunately, several times!) that there's very little more frustrating than having your ebook reader die in mid-sentence!

254jnwelch
Jun 18, 2012, 6:27pm Top

>253 plt: Thanks, Peg! That's helpful to know about The Radetsky March and Joseph Roth.

Like the idea of adding strudel and Viennese coffee! I don't think we've had either requested yet.

Thanks for the congrats on the Kindle. It sure is mighty handy. Supposedly the battery lasts well, but you're right about keeping it charged. We're taking a lot of chargers and adapters for our upcoming trip to keep the technology running (hopefully) smoothly.

BTW, everyone migrated over to the new cafe, so you can see them there, too.

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