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2krolik
Sep 12, 2012, 5:39 pm

Very interesting. Will pass this along.

3EllenLEkstrom
Sep 13, 2012, 2:26 pm

This is absolutely fantastic. Historical myths will be debunked.

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4lilithcat
Sep 13, 2012, 2:34 pm

> 3

It's fantastic, certainly, but I don't know that any myths that haven't already been debunked will be. Certainly it will be clear, from the physical evidence, that Richard had scoliosis rather than being a hunchback, but that's not really news except to those who get their history from Shakespeare.

6lilithcat
Sep 13, 2012, 7:12 pm

> 5

I believe his mother had previously given a DNA sample, as well.

as such his DNA should be a match to genetic material that forensic scientists hope to extract from the remains

This sort of thing drives me clean up the wall. There can be no match. You can only be a match with yourself or an identical twin (or triplet, etc). The best they'll be able to do is show that the skeleton and Mr. Ibsen have the same mitochondrial DNA, and are, therefore, in the same maternal lineage (or, alternatively, exclude the skeleton from that lineage, thereby showing that it's not Richard).

7VivienneR
Sep 13, 2012, 8:15 pm

I wondered about that, but I must be honest, I just scanned the story quickly. It sounded like it was padded somewhat - or put into the author's own (misleading) words.

8Scorbet
Edited: Sep 14, 2012, 11:43 am

>6 lilithcat:

The journalism on this is maddening. At least one was talking about comparing DNA with one of his descendants. Which left me extremely confused as I wasn't aware that (i) Richard III had any known (or at least traceable) descendants and (ii) comparing DNA from 16 generations apart would tell you anything...

I was delighted to realise that they meant (i) matrilineal descended from his mother and (ii) comparing miochondrial DNA.

Though as you mentioned, the same MtDNA just means that this is a descendant of Joan Beafort, not that it is definitely Richard. (Although I think the scoliosis does make it more likely.)

Edited because I apparently can't spell descendant

9lilithcat
Sep 14, 2012, 9:35 am

> 8

(Although I think the scoliosis does make it more likely.)

The scoliosis plus the age, the head injuries, the location of the body. Frankly, I'm convinced even without the DNA!

10varielle
May 24, 2013, 10:47 am

More details emerge about his hasty burial and post-death humiliation.
http://www.newser.com/story/168445/richard-iii-had-unpleasant-burial.html?utm_so...

11starkimarki
May 26, 2013, 2:03 am

‘The king in the car park’: new light
on the death and burial of Richard III
in the Grey Friars church, Leicester,
in 1485:

http://antiquity.ac.uk/Ant/087/0519/ant0870519.pdf

12EricJT
May 29, 2013, 10:50 am

11 Thank you for posting the link. I found the Antiquity article well worth downloading.

13starkimarki
May 30, 2013, 2:34 am

12 I'm glad you found it worthwhile, though credit for its discovery should go to the excellent http://www.thehistoryblog.com/

Has anybody seen the Channel 4 documentary 'Richard III: The King in the Carpark + Richard III: The Unseen Story'? It is not available for download from C4 here in Germany, so I was wondering if it is worth the £14 purchase price.

14jcbrunner
May 30, 2013, 7:03 am

"Richard III: The King in the Carpark" isn't really about Richard. It is a study of both the presenter (some comedian/actor) meeting the researchers who are still reluctant to speak while their investigations are in process and, most of all, the raw emotions of a Richard groupie in the various stages of wonder, shock, tears and joy - I found it rather unflattering, given her stellar achievement in unearthing Richard.

"Richard III: The Unseen Story" cuts out these two protagonists, lets the researchers speak and comes close to what one expects from the average TV documentary. At least, £14 is at a somewhat acceptable price level for a documentary you will watch once.

I prefer the free videos which cover a broader range of topics in more detail available at Richard III - University of Leicester site as well as the lectures given at the Leicester conference in March 2013 by the Richard III Society. I especially liked Toby Capwell's deduction that RIII would have worn English armor due to his special needs for customization. In contrast to continental armor (German, Italian), English armor was optimized for fighting on foot (both because of the large presence of deadly longbows and England never managing to produce quality cavalry forces in its history).

15Foxhunter
Edited: Jun 15, 2013, 12:04 pm

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16nathanielcampbell
Aug 7, 2013, 12:55 pm

The decision has been made to reinter the bones in the Anglican Cathedral in Leicester: http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/08/06/no-catholic-burial-for...

17varielle
Sep 9, 2013, 11:01 am

Poor king. It appears his mortal remains indicated that Richard III suffered from round worms. http://news.discovery.com/history/6-strange-ailments-of-famous-rulers-130906.htm

18varielle
Aug 22, 2014, 1:36 pm

Looks like Richard is going to be reinterred next year. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-28687107?SThisFB