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OMF Books 2 and 3 - Tricks and Manners

Le Salon Littéraire du Peuple pour le Peuple

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1anna_in_pdx
Nov 30, 2012, 3:52pm Top

I am so lousy and noncreative that I have not come up with a Latin translation of anything for a clever thread title. Sorry all.

Anyhow I have finished book 2, and would like to discuss some of the characters. What is up with that Headstone guy? Why is he the way he is? I thought that Dickens was going to make him a much more likeable figure - but he is starting to remind me of Fitzwilliam Darcy of Pride and Prejudice - and not the Darcy in the second half of said novel, but the one in the first.

Where is everyone else?

2dchaikin
Nov 30, 2012, 4:36pm Top

Where is everyone else?

getting there...

3A_musing
Nov 30, 2012, 5:49pm Top

Getting there too. Amused, enjoying it, but not necessarily full of thoughts either pithy or profound on the way.

4LisaCurcio
Dec 1, 2012, 9:14pm Top

Finished, anna. I don't want to be a spoiler, but Headstone does not get better.

5dchaikin
Dec 1, 2012, 10:31pm Top

I just met Headstone. Sounds like he's going to take the heat for whatever Dickens didn't like about English that education system. Not sure if I should feel bad for his future yet.

6Macumbeira
Dec 2, 2012, 1:42am Top

( from the lurker bench ) Halfway part two !!

7dchaikin
Dec 5, 2012, 11:22pm Top

Finished part 2. Headstone has some personal problems. Part 1 was interesting, fine to read if slow. Part 2 is fun. I've really gotten into this now. What I haven't discovered is the depth. Sure something is going on with the river and it's various crossings and one prominent rebirth, and something with that fog and the city itself. but the characters all seem so cleanly defined, many caricatures...it just seems very plot driven to me. Not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for though.

8urania1
Dec 6, 2012, 12:44pm Top

I am reading Das Capital and find that I like no one in OMF.

9LolaWalser
Dec 6, 2012, 2:06pm Top

Damn Marx!!!!

Can't he leave alone at least little Jenny Wren??

10urania1
Dec 6, 2012, 4:03pm Top

Lola,

No he can't.

11dchaikin
Dec 7, 2012, 8:32am Top

U - maybe that's the point...

And yet, Pa, think how terrible the fascination of money is! I see this, and hate this, and dread this, and don’t know but that money might make a much worse change in me. And yet I have money always in my thoughts and my desires; and the whole life I place before myself is money, money, money, and what money can make of life!’

12anna_in_pdx
Dec 7, 2012, 11:04am Top

God this book is getting depressing. Well, it feels more and more as if I am swimming through the muddy Thames myself, trying to get through it. It is just so sad and so few of the characters are in any way likeable. I am starting to enjoy the Wegg/Venus parts more, because these characters are so weird and it is fun to predict when they will eventually turn on each other because they can hardly NOT do that, given their characters, right?

13dchaikin
Dec 7, 2012, 11:40am Top

Such different responses, Anna. I felt the same after reading part I as you do now. But now in Part III I'm not finding it depressing anymore. I have begun to like several of the characters. Surely they are flawed, but they have such memorable attributes within their own flawed constructs.

Loved Bella's mother's toast at the anniversary...she was altogether enjoying herself.

14anna_in_pdx
Dec 7, 2012, 12:09pm Top

Oh Bella's mother! That scene was actually really funny. But her poor father!

15LisaCurcio
Dec 7, 2012, 9:23pm Top

The thought that Dickens wrote about ways of life that existed (to an extent, at least) is depressing. The book is only temporarily depressing, just like most of the Dickens that I have read.

16anna_in_pdx
Dec 7, 2012, 10:06pm Top

I seriously feel I cannot take another one of these scenes where Fledgeby browbeats the jewish guy while faking out all the other characters. I want to kill him. There are more of these scenes than there need to be!

17dchaikin
Dec 23, 2012, 11:28pm Top

#16 It was depressing to read about Riah and see the Jewish stereotype from an author that I generally understand to not be a bad person. I'm not blaming Dickens, just sad about history.

18dchaikin
Dec 23, 2012, 11:33pm Top

Just finished. Part IV, chapter 13 took the book down a notch. So much a farce? I'm not impressed. Despite that, and that I'm sure if I took anything away from this book to think about, I still enjoyed it quite a bit. This was my first Dickens and I hope to read a lot more...all in time.

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