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1timspalding
Edited: Apr 5, 2016, 4:52pm Top

Okay, TinyCat is officially alive!

Blog post: http://blog.librarything.com/main/2016/04/introducing-tinycat-the-opac-for-tiny-...
Site itself: https://www.librarycat.org
An example catalog: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/FolioSeattle
Bugs and complaints: https://www.librarything.com/topic/220875

TinyCat is free to members to use in a purely personal capacity. (Personal accounts get a banner at the bottom, saying it's purely for personal use.) It's cheap for others.

Check out the above and let us know what you think!

2ulmannc
Apr 5, 2016, 4:48pm Top

1. I don't have a banner at the bottom. I was part of the pilot and did look into Admin when it became available a few days ago.

2. I searched for a term (Sanderson) and the last book that came up in the search only has the term Sanderson in the private comments field.

Should these go here or should I put them over in the bug area of LT?

3timspalding
Edited: Apr 5, 2016, 4:54pm Top

Let's put bugs here, thanks!

https://www.librarything.com/topic/220875

BTW: It's because you're listed as an all-volunteer library, not a personal library. Are you doing anything non-personal with the library? If not, I'll change you.

4lorax
Edited: Apr 5, 2016, 5:03pm Top

>3 timspalding:

I don't see one on mine either; I assumed it was because we just don't see it on our own accounts. This prompted me to look, though; I don't see it on an incognito window, either. I am 100% certain I signed up as personal, because I remember rolling my eyes at the confirmation. However, when I went into Admin to check, I see nothing in "Account type":



I am of course only using my library for purely personal purposes; since I can't seem to fix this myself, could you please move me back to personal? Presumably something got lost for us Betans when you opened it up generally.

5ulmannc
Apr 5, 2016, 5:02pm Top

How about switching me over to personal. . . I guess someplace in my travels I thought personal and all volunteer were the same thing. Thanks. ceu I'll move the search issue to the other thread.

6amarie
Apr 5, 2016, 5:07pm Top

Is there an option for a lump sum payment? Like 6 or 12 months at a time? I know subscriptions are good for dependable revenue, but for many organizations one-time payments are easier to get approved.

Also, I wasn't sure where we (under a different account) fall on the volunteer status. It's a staff library in a government agency for reference, like history and statutes. Everything was added to LT by a volunteer a couple years ago as a project, but now maintained as needed by a staff member.

7Taphophile13
Apr 5, 2016, 5:10pm Top

Cool! I now have a cute little cat curled up in the chocolate bar at the top.

8timspalding
Apr 5, 2016, 5:10pm Top

>6 amarie:

Yes. Billing is coming out in a day or two. (Last minute problems with PayPal delayed us.) It allows longer-term payments.

9conceptDawg
Apr 5, 2016, 5:25pm Top

>5 ulmannc: You have been changed over to a personal library.

10lorannen
Apr 5, 2016, 5:26pm Top

>4 lorax: We've got you set up as a Personal account now. You should be seeing the banner!

11conceptDawg
Apr 5, 2016, 5:31pm Top

>5 ulmannc: It only finds that item if you are signed in to your account. You can see it, but not others.

12timspalding
Apr 5, 2016, 5:45pm Top

>11 conceptDawg:

We are going to add this as a bug, so people aren't misled and worried by it. But it's only showing it because you're signed in.

13gilroy
Apr 5, 2016, 8:00pm Top

Thank the gods and goddesses! This means the site proper can get some attention for bug smashing finally.

14PhaedraB
Apr 5, 2016, 8:34pm Top

I'm confused. I see how people can search my LT library via TC, but not how they can browse. Is browsing not part of the concept?

15lorannen
Apr 5, 2016, 9:00pm Top

>14 PhaedraB: Indeed, browsing isn't part of the idea. However, if there are specific collections, searches, tags, etc. you'd like to highlight/hang on to, the URLs are stable, and you can create a ink to those and post it on your TC home page.

For example, note the link to "My Comics Collection" here on my TinyCat library: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/lorannen

16timspalding
Apr 5, 2016, 9:13pm Top

>14 PhaedraB:

Yeah. It's a library catalog. We're considering adding some browsing features, but, fundamentally, it's designed to work like a "regular" library catalog.

17ulmannc
Apr 5, 2016, 9:57pm Top

>9 conceptDawg: Thanks.
>11 conceptDawg: What do you mean by signed into my account? I went in through the TinyCat url for me and now I only have 9 items. I have no other instances of TinyCat or LT open. I take it if I then logon as administrator, I'll then pick up the items where the only place the term appears is in private comments?

18timspalding
Edited: Apr 5, 2016, 10:16pm Top

>17 ulmannc:

Right. You're logged into TinyCat if the icon in the lower right is a home-page house, rather than a lock or--if you turn the lock off--nothing.

19MrsLee
Apr 5, 2016, 11:36pm Top

I now have everything I desired for my LT app on Android. I know others want more, but me, I just wanted an easy way to search my library and avoid duplicates. Of course, I won't complain if someday there is an LT app for Android which allows me to participate in group activity, but I am a happy girl tonight. This is terrific! And cute. :)

20Collectorator
Apr 5, 2016, 11:39pm Top

>7 Taphophile13: I got the cat, too! So cute, so sweet. Thank you so much, LT. :D

21parelle
Edited: Apr 5, 2016, 11:49pm Top

WOW! Okay, I am super excited, because I have always wanted something like this (I tried making one of my own once. It failed, horribly). It looks absolutely wonderful, and is also going to put a bit of extra ump into getting our books into LT too! And, MARC record import - hooray for the Folio Society books which we can now easily add! My otherwise unused Library Degree thanks you!

Just so I'm in the clear: if we are a family who lends books out to friends, that is still a personal account correct?

On a personal note, since we are a bit of a one-stop-theology-shop for many of our friends, both Catholic and non-Catholic, this is going to be of great service to us and them, and I hope to the Church.

22lilithcat
Apr 5, 2016, 11:59pm Top

>7 Taphophile13:

Isn't he cute? I'd use Tiny Cat just to have him there.

23Taphophile13
Apr 6, 2016, 12:03am Top

>20 Collectorator:, >22 lilithcat: Free cats. What a great site.

24bnielsen
Edited: Apr 6, 2016, 3:14am Top

>7 Taphophile13: and >22 lilithcat:. Yes, I like the cat too. Cute TinyCat. Maybe Overcat should have a logo too?
And thanks >4 lorax: I didn't know our tribe went by the name Betans :-)

25anglemark
Apr 6, 2016, 3:09am Top

timspalding: Any thoughts on localization? My translator fingers are itching.

26FaithLib
Apr 6, 2016, 6:22am Top

Loranne, you have a nice Ask about This button on each title. How do I get one for my catalog

27abbottthomas
Apr 6, 2016, 7:19am Top

>26 FaithLib: You can find options for 'Ask about This' on the 'detail page' in 'settings' when you log in to Admin. - Click on lock, bottom right of screen.

My question - Where do 'Genres' come from? Are they editable? In particular I would like to alter the genre of a book of poetry from 'fiction' to (surprise!) 'poetry'.

28Noisy
Apr 6, 2016, 8:52am Top

>24 bnielsen: Perhaps a rename of Ceiling Cat?

29MarthaJeanne
Apr 6, 2016, 8:52am Top

How do I get it to show my call numbers and not Dewey's?

30bnielsen
Apr 6, 2016, 9:08am Top

>28 Noisy: would be perfect for overcat, imho :-)

31lorax
Apr 6, 2016, 9:19am Top

Tim, do you think you should create a standing TinyCat group, for questions and discussions once the initial flurry has settled down? Especially for the actual library users who aren't otherwise LT members, I think it would be useful for them to have all the discussion in one place, and not to have other discussions they have to sift through. (Actual bugs can always be moved to Bug Collectors by staff or LT members more comfortable with Talk.)

32MarySchubert
Apr 6, 2016, 9:32am Top

>29 MarthaJeanne: Log into your TinyCat Admin - go to Settings - click on Circulation.

You should see this:
Other settings

Call number system

(There is a drop down menu box with the following options)
Not set
Personal or custom system
────────────────────────​
Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC/MDS)
Library of Congress Classification (LCC)

I have mine set to personal or custom system and then I also have the following box checked:

Include call number in detail-page Status section

(Sorry I don't know how to italicize or bold anything in these comments.)

Any books in my LT account that I have my own call number system listed are showing up on my TC.
Due to my particular call number system and still developing it, I don't have numbers for all of my books, but they should show up when I add them.

Remember to save changes on each page in settings. I forgot once and had to go back and redo it.

Hope this helps.

Mary S.

33bnielsen
Apr 6, 2016, 9:37am Top

>31 lorax: I'll second that.

>1 timspalding: How about use/abuse of the logo? I looked for rules in the faq but didn't find any, so just for fun I chose tacyniT as logo for my own tinycat library



Is that ok, strictly verboten or something in between?

34klarusu
Apr 6, 2016, 9:39am Top

>31 lorax: Really good idea!

>30 bnielsen: Purr-fect!

35lorannen
Apr 6, 2016, 11:13am Top

>25 anglemark: Localization is probably coming, but not just yet! We want to make sure everything's running smoothly first.

36lorannen
Apr 6, 2016, 11:16am Top

>33 bnielsen: That is totally fine, A+ usage of TinyCat logo. Thanks for checking!

37lorannen
Apr 6, 2016, 11:17am Top

>31 lorax: There will definitely be a TinyCat-specific group, once the initial flurry of release has passed.

38MarthaJeanne
Apr 6, 2016, 11:23am Top

>32 MarySchubert: Thanks, I had ignored circulation as I rarely lend out books.

39abbottthomas
Apr 6, 2016, 11:31am Top

Where do 'Genres' come from? Are they editable? In particular I would like to alter the genre of a book of poetry from 'fiction' to (surprise!) 'poetry'.

40MarySchubert
Apr 6, 2016, 11:41am Top

>38 MarthaJeanne:

That is easy to do. I find myself having to go through all of the settings over and over to make sure I don't miss something and the more I do it the more familiar I am with what is where. Easy overlook.

Mary

41kgriffith
Apr 6, 2016, 12:03pm Top

>6 amarie: Also, I wasn't sure where we (under a different account) fall on the volunteer status. It's a staff library in a government agency for reference, like history and statutes. Everything was added to LT by a volunteer a couple years ago as a project, but now maintained as needed by a staff member.

I have the same question for a couple of local tiny libraries I'd like to share this with: what about lending libraries with no library staff, but paid staff/interns who manage the catalog as needed?

42Smigs
Apr 6, 2016, 4:07pm Top

It would be good if you could restrict the content based on the Media type field: my friends can press "Ask About This" on my eBooks, but I can't send them a copy of it without breaking the terms of the license, in most cases (not to mention DRM'd eBooks which just won't work).

I guess this is only a problem for 'truly' personal libraries though, it probably doesn't matter that much for actual lending libraries of any sort!

43lorannen
Apr 6, 2016, 6:07pm Top

>42 Smigs: Can you elaborate more about what you mean by "restrict content"? What are you looking to restrict, exactly? If it's a matter of hiding the check out and place hold buttons on specific items, you could set statuses for those items as "Unavailable" to achieve this.

You would be able to do this, that is, if I hadn't just discovered a bug, which requires a patron name for statuses. We'll work on fixing that, and then I think that will be a workable solution for you.

44parelle
Apr 7, 2016, 1:31am Top

> 42 Smigs: What about putting them in a separate collection which is then not visible in your TinyCat? I've done that with 'Books read but unowned', for example.

45MrsLee
Apr 7, 2016, 10:04am Top

>44 parelle: Uh oh, are there certain books not shown on TinyCat? Do we need to make that selection somewhere? I haven't played with it enough to see if I could look at single collections only, or shift between collections. Can we do that? Because it would be nice to look at my wishlist in a store, or to be able to type in the name of a book or author and see if it is in my catalog.

46anglemark
Edited: Apr 7, 2016, 10:10am Top

You can set it so that it only shows a certain collection, yes. It's on the https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings page.

47MrsLee
Apr 7, 2016, 10:11am Top

>46 anglemark:, thanks, I'll check it out later.

48lorannen
Apr 7, 2016, 11:44am Top

>44 parelle: That's a good suggestion, but I thought it sounded like >42 Smigs: still wanted to display these items, just not have them available for check out or holds.

And yes, >46 anglemark: is correct! TinyCat defaults to all collections, but you can set yours up to display only select collections. For instance, I've hidden my Wishlist and some test collections I've made strictly for bug testing on TinyCat.

49lorax
Apr 7, 2016, 3:00pm Top

>27 abbottthomas:

This may have changed, but when I asked about genres early on in the first beta testing phase (the one for members rather than organizations), Tim said there were a number of ingredients that went into them; they weren't and aren't editable. You can choose to turn off display of certain genres via the Admin Settings, if there are one or two you don't want to see across the board (like "Christian Fiction" or "Romance"), but that's not going to help in your particular case.

50kristilabrie
Apr 7, 2016, 4:11pm Top

>21 parelle: I noticed this hadn't been answered yet. You're right: if you're using TinyCat for your personal library, it's a personal account. If your church is going to use TinyCat, that is not considered a personal account.

51wifilibrarian
Apr 7, 2016, 4:50pm Top

>48 lorannen: Is it possible for the books in the Read but not owned collection to not say they are Available
>46 anglemark: thanks, my wishlist and read but not owned are hidden by default but almost all my books are in multiple collections so they appear anyway.

52lorax
Apr 7, 2016, 5:03pm Top

>51 wifilibrarian:

Isn't that the same question that Smigs asked in 42, which posts 43-47 are discussing?

53guido47
Apr 7, 2016, 11:50pm Top

What order are the items (in my case books and DVD's) shown? Are the collections shown sequentially?
Thus I usually look at Äll Collections"which shows DVD's and Books in Date entry order, my default style A.

Are you likely to have an All Collection option? If not I will have to keep switching my collections all the time in Administrator mode :-(

54abbottthomas
Apr 8, 2016, 6:29am Top

>49 lorax: Thanks for your answer. I am puzzled as to where the Genres are coming from, not to mention where they are going to ;-)

55hredwards
Apr 8, 2016, 10:40am Top

This is probably a stupid question but I don't understand what this is for.
Isn't this the same thing Librarything already does basically?
Sorry, I'm not that computer literate.
Can someone explain the purpose?

56bnielsen
Apr 8, 2016, 11:17am Top

>55 hredwards: I'll try. TinyCat turns your collection of books into a library. I.e. you can register loaners and they'll be able to look at your books and request a loan. You can do much of the same with your LT catalogue, but imagine one of your relatives trying to find a book in your LT catalogue and by chance press Zeitgeist. So: TinyCat is a simple and safe version of your catalogue.

57lorax
Apr 8, 2016, 11:26am Top

bnielsen mostly has it.

It's more of a "walled garden" view of your catalog. It's intended for searching for something specific, rather than general browsing. The primary use-case is for small libraries, rather than individuals; non-profit organizations, classrooms, churches. It's useful for individuals mostly for letting others check their library, either for borrowing or for "does she already have this, so I don't buy it for her for her birthday"? sort of purposes, rather than as a primary interface to their own library. It's mobile-friendly, so as an Android user I'll be using it in the bookstore to check whether I have something before buying it.

58kristilabrie
Edited: Apr 8, 2016, 12:27pm Top

>53 guido47: sorry, I'm trying to answer your question, but Talk is not listing my entire response! Working on it.

59kristilabrie
Apr 8, 2016, 12:31pm Top

>53 guido47: Okay, I just removed the embedded links, for some reason they weren't working.

To answer your questions, items are shown by relevancy to the catalog search, by default. There’s sort options for searches by title, author, acquisition (date added), publication date, and popularity.

We don’t have a “browse” feature for the catalog, but you can add direct links to various collections or media, whatever you like, via your Home page Settings: https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings/home. I’ve added browsing links for my own books and movies here, for example: https://www.librarycat.org/lib/kristilabrie.

You can choose which Collections you want to include in your catalog in your Basics Settings: https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings.

60macsbrains
Edited: Apr 8, 2016, 4:50pm Top

I just have to say, this finally going live has made me so happy.

Now I have to finally commit and name my library, which is the hardest thing. I've gone through a dozen names already.

61kgriffith
Apr 8, 2016, 5:52pm Top

>60 macsbrains: That's gorgeous! Also, KJ and I are discussing because I was like, "Hey, I didn't know you could do that," and we think it's a brilliant use of the free HTML option. KJ may be a bit jealous that they didn't think of doing it first, and we may both steal the idea. ;)

62saltmanz
Apr 8, 2016, 6:19pm Top

>60/61: Ha! Yeah, that's brilliant. Gives me some ideas...

63omargosh
Apr 8, 2016, 6:32pm Top

Went a little further in today, and two notes so far (maybe more ... haven't gone much further yet because of #2):

1. The lock icon is ever so slightly scary w/o a tooltip to explain what it might do. (Log me out? Block this library? Lock this library from view on TinyCat (i.e. make it only visible from LT)? Shut its lending capabilities off? Is it something that I would probably be able to undo later?).

2. I made an account, got to the admin page, and followed the red exclamation point beckoning me to Settings. There's a brown? exclamation there telling me: "Your TinyCat has not yet been set up. But now that you're here, you'll never see this again!" That makes me more nervous than the mystery lock. Do I only have one chance to set my settings? Is it needlessly worrying me by confusingly telling me that having come to this page will in fact set up my TinyCat? Or that submitting the form will? I don't get it. Ok. Off to step into the void ...

64omargosh
Edited: Apr 8, 2016, 7:04pm Top

Some more notes (let me know if these should go in the bugs thread instead, even though there not quite bugs).

3. The Custom JavaScript field looks interesting (*evil hand rub and devilish grin*). The explanatory text tells me that the "Help" button will tell me more about it, but that Wiki doesn't yet have that info (and you probably don't want me writing it).

3.5 The TinyCat wiki main page has quite a few prominent blue links that go to uncreated or deleted pages. Was looking for more on the custom JS, but aside from the deleted/undone pages, I don't see an obvious path to the page I was on (except the back button of course). (Edited to add: I think my expectation was either to see a purple/visited link there, or one on the "Settings" page, which was deleted.)

4. I don't know if this is much of a concern. Here's a screenshot of what my TinyCat currently looks like, since I imagine I'll have to change it back :-p

65MarySchubert
Apr 8, 2016, 9:14pm Top

>64 omargosh:

Look at #19 on Tiny Cat Live (bugs) in this group. Lorannen answered some of my questions regarding the lock icon.

I apologize, I had written an explanation to you about the lock icons but when I was trying to check for the other thread, I lost what I had written. There are no save buttons on these things and I don't have the time to keep typing more, but I was trying to answer your question.

Mary

66timspalding
Apr 8, 2016, 11:20pm Top

Tim, do you think you should create a standing TinyCat group, for questions and discussions once the initial flurry has settled down?

Yes, we're working on it. There's some debate about how to handle bugs. We'll decide on Monday.

How about use/abuse of the logo?

No problem.

Localization is probably coming, but not just yet!

Not a high-priority at the moment. Probably 3-6 mo. away.

Where do 'Genres' come from? Are they editable? In particular I would like to alter the genre of a book of poetry from 'fiction' to (surprise!) 'poetry'.

We'll be opening things up. However, it's not going to be a completely open system, and will probably not include poetry. I am exquisitely aware of the problem of putting every book into 10-20 categories. There is simply no way to do it right. Even so, that sort of system is of some use. If it's not right for you, use tags--I certainly think they're better.

I have the same question for a couple of local tiny libraries I'd like to share this with: what about lending libraries with no library staff, but paid staff/interns who manage the catalog as needed?

That qualifies as paid staff. You don't have to be dedicated to the library to be staff, you just have to have people working on the library from time to time. As we said, having a staff person vacuum the floor now and then doesn't count. But anything related to the actual operation of the library does.

I guess this is only a problem for 'truly' personal libraries though, it probably doesn't matter that much for actual lending libraries of any sort!

Yeah, seems an edge case, unfortunately.

Are you likely to have an All Collection option? If not I will have to keep switching my collections all the time in Administrator mode :-(

Yes. It's on https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings

TinyCat is a simple and safe version of your catalogue.

Right. The problem is particularly acute for "real" libraries. Churches, health centers, museums and so forth can catalog with LibraryThing, but giving their parishioners, patients and visitors their LibraryThing URL was giving them more than they bargained for. TinyCat turns your LibraryThing presence into a "real" (and therefore simplified and limited) library catalog.

It's mobile-friendly, so as an Android user I'll be using it in the bookstore to check whether I have something before buying it.

In the near future we're going to take THAT part of it and make it standard on LibraryThing.

1. The lock icon is ever so slightly scary w/o a tooltip to explain what it might do. (Log me out? Block this library? Lock this library from view on TinyCat (i.e. make it only visible from LT)? Shut its lending capabilities off? Is it something that I would probably be able to undo later?).

Will change. Thanks.

There's a brown? exclamation there telling me: "Your TinyCat has not yet been set up. But now that you're here, you'll never see this again!" That makes me more nervous than the mystery lock.

Yeah… so the problem is that people are jumping into TinyCat and not bothering to go through the settings. The settings on TinyCat are essential for getting what you want, and if everyone looked through them all, we'd have a lot fewer questions. (TinyCat is a lot simpler than most library catalogs, but it's still got a lot of settings.)

I don't know if this is much of a concern. Here's a screenshot of what my TinyCat currently looks like, since I imagine I'll have to change it back :-p

Nice. We'll put something into the TOS about that. However, damage is limited insofar as your user name is in the URL, and can't be changed to mine.

The Custom JavaScript field looks interesting

We may disable for personal accounts. It's for libraries that want to use third-party tools. Honestly, it's there because WE are a third-party tool--our LibraryThing for Libraries takes advantage of JavasScript on other catalogs--and we don't want to be hypocrites.

The TinyCat wiki main page has quite a few prominent blue links that go to uncreated or deleted pages

KJ is working on it.

67jcbrunner
Apr 9, 2016, 2:43am Top

I have used TinyCat as a landing page for my American Civil War books (www.librarycat.org/lib/jcbrunner). I wish I had the option of creating multiple such collection landing pages, as my LT collection is a jumble of very different interests which can be separated out nicely via the TinyCat presentation interface.

A tag cloud below the cover scroll would be great to offer another quick access. I also wish one could reverse the cover flow as one book just scrolled out of view and I had to reload and wait for it to appear again (non-random mode).

When my own review is the only review, it looks daft to see it listed twice on the page (your review/other reviews).

Some of the custom/blank cover view is not ideal as I currently have to use mouse-over to get the book title on the cover scroll feature. Some covers also have to generic cover (also on LT) that I think had a good (Amazon?) cover before but have reverted on LT to a blank one now. Strange but correctable by data cleanup.

In the tag based search, I'd like an "x" option to deselect a chosen search tag at the top.

For the landing page, is there a possibility for a line-break/br option (Jean-Claude Brunner's | American Civil War books)?

Overall, it looks great. I hope LT too will profit from the cleaner, more modern look and get a new skin soon.

68hredwards
Apr 9, 2016, 3:33am Top

Thanks. I see.

69MarySchubert
Apr 9, 2016, 11:35am Top

>67 jcbrunner:
Just as a quick response. Have you gone through on your TC admin page and logged in to change all of your settings. If you are on your catalog, you can click on your "lock" icon in the bottom right corner and log in with your LT login if it is not set to automatically. There are other ways to this as well but I am just a fellow LT person and don't remember all of the links.

I know there is a way to do (Jean-Claude Brunner's | American Civil War books)
but you have to have your collections and settings correct in LT and then you have to enter the URL correctly on one of the settings pages. I can't explain because on the Beta Testing they just told me what to put in, but here is my catalog. https://www.librarycat.org/lib/MarySchubert

Under the Search for... It says, My collection, if you click on that it shows my entire catalog (because for now, that is how I wanted it). Once you go to my collection you will see the new URL at the top of the page which is what I had to enter on my Settings-Home Page. I think you can enter more than one URL (link) and it will give the bar with two separate listings.

A word of caution - if you set something up like this and you don't see books on Tiny Cat that you had in LT, do not panic and spend hours trying to figure out what books are missing like I did. You have set something wrong in your URL compared to LT settings. - Best to just ask or wait for the experts to answer.

As for the covers changing, this may be an issue similar to one of the other ladies.

I am not an expert at this, so mostly the above is a look see at what my library is set to, and where you go on the settings. I think Tim is at a conference and I am sure the other gals are busy too. So, just sharing my experiences.

Mary

70macsbrains
Apr 9, 2016, 4:00pm Top

>62 saltmanz: OOH! I love the bookshelves, and the drop shadow on the name. I went with a light background because I didn't think to change the font color. One of my earlier background ideas (with a different name) was something space-y but I couldn't do it with the black lettering. Time to go brush-up my CSS!

>61 kgriffith: I think one or two simple customization options can really make a difference. Even just a background and font color change. I was working on a logo, but am having trouble with the transparencies. I'll figure it out.

71omargosh
Apr 10, 2016, 1:31am Top

>65 MarySchubert:
Thanks. It was pretty clear once I clicked it. I was just trying to express my pre-click hesitance, and my recommendation of a tooltip. And I certainly understand the frustration of losing drafts! It happened so many times on another system that I've developed a habit of selecting all and copying before I do anything else. Though sometimes I still mess up. :-)

>66 timspalding: The settings on TinyCat are essential for getting what you want, and if everyone looked through them all, we'd have a lot fewer questions
That makes sense. It was the wording of "But now that you're here, you'll never see this again" that was throwing me off. Maybe replace it with something like "Take a moment to customize your display options and other TinyCat settings to better fit your library's needs."?

72timspalding
Apr 10, 2016, 2:20am Top

>71 omargosh:

I like your wording. I'll adopt something close to it.

73Smigs
Edited: Apr 10, 2016, 6:34am Top

>43 lorannen: I just meant an "Include these media types" setting in the same way there's an "Include books from these collections" setting, so eBooks (for example) can be permanently excluded across all collections. As Tim says, it's an edge case, and as parelle points out, there's a workaround.

74timspalding
Apr 10, 2016, 3:55pm Top

>73 Smigs:

I'm on your wavelength. But I'm going demur on it, at least for now.

75wifilibrarian
Apr 10, 2016, 6:14pm Top

>52 lorax: I was only trying to join in the discussion and >48 lorannen: seemed to indicate there was confusion about what >42 Smigs: wanted. I think that if you have a book in a "Read but not owned" collection it shouldn't say "Available" in tinycat. But that would mean somehow tying collections to statuses and I don't think TC's been made that way. I can change a status manually but not automatically by placing it in a collection. I guess my issue with the Available marker might be like Smigs, an issue for personal libraries only. But I could see a a use case for an organisational library having a Reference collection where they want all statues to be not for loan, it'd be cool to be able add a book to a collection and have a default status for that collection.

76timspalding
Apr 10, 2016, 10:41pm Top

>75 wifilibrarian:

That would be a cool feature. But it would add a lot of complexity.

77wademlee
Apr 11, 2016, 9:41am Top

>76 timspalding:

I think that if there were a way (in Power edit perhaps?) to at least select a group of books and change their check out status at one time, that would help. I spent an afternoon changing all of my 'read but not owned' books' status to 'Not in Library' with no due date manually last week. I can see people doing the same for (DRM'ed) ebooks, etc.

78societystf
Apr 11, 2016, 10:03am Top

TinyCat Accessibility Issues

How is TinyCat accessible on the iOS LibraryThing app? We are trying to make our catalog available to folks who don't have computers.

Also, is there a TinyCat widget we can embed on our society's website like the one for the original LibraryThing?

79kristilabrie
Edited: Apr 11, 2016, 4:44pm Top

>78 societystf: TinyCat is mobile-friendly, so you don't even need the app to access TinyCat. Just use your mobile device's internet browser to plug in your TinyCat library's homepage URL.

Since your TinyCat catalog is the same as your LibraryThing library, you can just use the LibraryThing blog widget. If you want, you can also customize the title of your widget to whatever you like ("Books from my TinyCat library", for example).

ETA: lorax corrected me! Since the LT widget links to your LT profile or library, maybe CH could simply add to the "Link" section on the Widget Builder that allows you to link to your TinyCat library, too. I'm adding it to our list of "to-dos".

80wester
Edited: Apr 11, 2016, 10:43am Top

Excellent!

Is there any way to exclude my wishlist from the catalogue? Of course I can search by collection, but if someone clears their search bar, they find books from my wishlist again.

81anglemark
Apr 11, 2016, 10:45am Top

You can select which collections to show on the Settings page: https://www.librarycat.org/admin/settings

82lorax
Apr 11, 2016, 10:46am Top

>80 wester:

In the TinyCat admin settings you can choose which collections to include. If you have a book in multiple collections, it will be included if *any* of the collections it's in are checked to be included.

83lorax
Apr 11, 2016, 11:52am Top

>79 kristilabrie:

Doesn't the widget link to the LT catalog or profile, though? I know it's the same underlying data, but that seems like it defeats the purpose of maintaining the separation between the TinyCat view and the wide world of LT.

84lorannen
Apr 11, 2016, 12:10pm Top

>77 wademlee: There will be a way to do this using the Check in/out page (which you can also reach by going to Admin Home > Check in/out) soon. You can apply the same status across multiple items there. However, I have to say "will be," because there is currently a bug with adding custom statuses with no patron information. We're working on fixing that.

85lorannen
Apr 11, 2016, 3:52pm Top

>84 lorannen: Scratch that. Turns out, I had disabled the ability to use blank patrons, which was causing this issue. However, it did lead me to find another bug, so... That setting lives in Circulation settings, for the curious.

>77 wademlee: You can now apply the same status to multiple items (with or without a patron attached) on the Check in/out page. Search by title, author, barcode, etc. to find items to add, and then set up your status!

86kristilabrie
Apr 11, 2016, 4:23pm Top

>83 lorax: Doh! I needed coffee when I posted that. You're right. Editing post above.

87wademlee
Apr 11, 2016, 4:52pm Top

>85 lorannen:
I tried that, but when I search for a collection like Read by unowned, it gives a list of items with + signs. I can add one, but then have to repeat the search to add another, etc. for all 700+ items. Then I'm sure I -could- change the statuses all together, but only after performing the search 700 times! :-)

88lorannen
Apr 11, 2016, 4:57pm Top

>87 wademlee: Yes, that is true. Unfortunately, that's really the only way to accomplish what you're looking for at present. Will add your suggestion to our feature request list!

89SLALS-VUW
Apr 11, 2016, 11:45pm Top

Well I love it but I can see that my organisation will not want to pay $US240/year for a catalogue. Any chance of offering a lower fee to organisations who only want to use the search facilities and won't ever use the circulation modules?

Also, I have signed up for a 30 day free trial - will you send a reminder when that's up so I don't get caught out. I very much doubt that I will be able to get permission to subscribe to this because of the cost and will be in big trouble if a bill arrives.

90omargosh
Apr 12, 2016, 1:06am Top

Am I the only one who, whenever this thread (or the TinyCat bugs thread) pops to the top of my Talk, hears a Frankensteinish "It's alive! It's alive!" in my head?

91divinenanny
Apr 12, 2016, 5:48am Top

92abbottthomas
Edited: Apr 12, 2016, 6:07am Top

>90 omargosh: Me too! TS as a demented scientist with his creation prowling the streets of Boston taking out Tenured Professors? Doesn't bear thinking about.

93Taphophile13
Apr 12, 2016, 10:50am Top

>90 omargosh: Oh yes, that scene pops into my head too.

94lorax
Apr 12, 2016, 10:56am Top

>90 omargosh:

I get Young Frankenstein, myself. But yes.

95bnielsen
Apr 12, 2016, 10:58am Top

>94 lorax: Ah so there is a connection from LT's Abby and Abby Normal from the movie?
(I wonder where this will end).

96ablachly
Apr 12, 2016, 11:06am Top

>95 bnielsen: bnielsen: Yes. Yes there is.

97kristilabrie
Edited: Apr 12, 2016, 11:44am Top

>89 SLALS-VUW: Sorry, we discussed the pricing at length and decided not to break up the pricing based on features. If you subscribe to TinyCat, you'll have access to all of TinyCat. Tim may want to chime in on this, however.

In regards to your 30-day trial, you'll be notified via email and with a banner on your Admin Home portal that your trial is ending. We're still making final decisions on what to do once the trial is over, but you will get notified!

98kristilabrie
Edited: Apr 12, 2016, 3:25pm Top

Hey everyone! With the release of TinyCat last week, I’m here to share its official group: http://www.librarything.com/groups/tinycat. This group is for all things TinyCat: questions, feedback, recommendations, etc. Bug reports for TinyCat should still be posted to the Bug Collectors Group.

To join the TinyCat Group, just go to the group page and click “Join this group” in the upper-right corner.

If you were a member of the TinyCat Testers Group, we’ve already added you to the official TinyCat group. Please be sure to post any new TinyCat conversations there.

To leave the group, you can click the “leave” link in the upper-right corner.

If you have specific questions you’d rather not share with others, you can always email me (Kristi) at tinycat@librarything.com or kristi@librarything.com.

99lorax
Apr 12, 2016, 2:52pm Top

What does "This group is run by LibraryThing staff" in the group description for the TinyCat group imply? Should LT members refrain from attempting to help each other or other TinyCat members, so that you (the staff) can handle everything, rather than the member-to-member style that's more common on LT?

100kristilabrie
Apr 12, 2016, 5:48pm Top

That was copied from the TinyCat Testers Group, but doesn't need to apply here. I've fixed the text, thanks! Please feel free to use the forum as you normally would (members helping each other, etc.). I'll be the primary LT staffer monitoring the group and answering questions.

101ulmannc
Apr 12, 2016, 9:20pm Top

May a person sign up to pay for an account yet or are you still working on the billing?

102kristilabrie
Apr 13, 2016, 8:46am Top

We're still finalizing the billing, but we'll have it ready before people's 30-day free trials end! Hopefully within the next week.

103lorax
Apr 13, 2016, 9:44am Top

104ulmannc
Apr 13, 2016, 12:14pm Top

>102 kristilabrie: I understand. Thanks.

105Akennedy772
Apr 13, 2016, 4:51pm Top

For the life of me, I CANNOT figure out one thing... I am thinking it is not a feature, but I need to know for the sake of my sanity.

Is the only way to "check in" a book to go the admin screens? Or, is it possible to search a book from the general search function and return it that way? When I search a book now that has been checked out it just says "checked out" Is a "return book" button available?

Hope that makes sense thanks so much!

106kristilabrie
Edited: Apr 13, 2016, 5:18pm Top

The Status section on Detail pages is mostly for the patrons. You should see an "Item Circulation" link at the bottom of Detail pages, in the "Admin" section, that gives you all of the options you see on your Check in/out page. Let me know if you have further questions!

ETA: There's no way for patrons to return their own items, yet. I'm checking to see if it's something planned for the future.

107MarthaJeanne
Apr 13, 2016, 5:48pm Top

Do libraries really want patrons to be able to mark items returned without admin confirmation?

108klarusu
Apr 13, 2016, 5:55pm Top

>107 MarthaJeanne: Small 'trust'-based libraries, I would say for sure. For some classroom libraries for example, it's just a 'digital' version of current physical practice. In fact, our local primary school library (not classroom but small) is administered entirely by the students. Assuming this is one of the target library demographics for TinyCAT then definitely yes.

109timspalding
Apr 13, 2016, 6:48pm Top

>107 MarthaJeanne:

As with the check-out button, it should only be enabled for high-trust situations, like a classroom library.

110SLALS-VUW
Apr 13, 2016, 9:20pm Top

I'm so disappointed that we won't be able to afford this. We can't afford to employ someone to issue books - all our issuing is done on an honesty basis, so the circulation feature is redundant for us. But I would love to have the option of just having the catalogue feature.

111kristilabrie
Apr 14, 2016, 9:29am Top

This sounds like you might actually not be considered a "paid-staff" library then, which would grant you the lower rate. I'll send you a private message shortly!

112Akennedy772
Apr 15, 2016, 3:26pm Top

Okay thanks for the help!! I think a lot of people have students help with the classroom library. That feature would be nice :)

113HGCL
May 5, 2016, 5:36am Top

Hello, I've just discovered Tinycat and I think it will be a wonderful addition to our small community library. Thank you so much for developing this and making it available to us at such a reasonable cost. I just have a couple of queries if that's OK?

1. Regarding payment, if we choose the monthly option, can we opt out at any time or is there a minimum term applicable?

2. We would like to advertise Tinycat to our patron's to let them know that they will soon be able to reserve and renew their books. Up until now we have been very 'old school' and never had our catalogue online. So this is a big change for us that we are very eager to promote. Would it be acceptable to use your logo in some flyers and email distributions? Unless of course you have some of your own that you would prefer us to use?

Thanks again
Jacqui !!!

114lorannen
May 5, 2016, 11:59am Top

>113 HGCL: Welcome, and thanks for the kind words! In answer to your questions:

1. There is no minimum term for monthly payments. You can cancel your TinyCat membership at any time.

2. You're welcome to use the TinyCat and/or LibraryThing logos as you've described. If you have specific sizes or file types that you need for this, feel free to email me, and I'll see what I can do! I'm at loranne@librarything.com

115timspalding
May 5, 2016, 5:10pm Top

>1 timspalding:

1. Just for clarity is IS by month, so you can't opt out after 2 weeks or whatever. But there's a free 30-day period.

2. Yes. You can use whatever you can get now, presumably from the home page. We are preparing a better set of images for different purposes and should have them up soon.

116GigasCodex
May 31, 2016, 4:15pm Top

Hello,

It says on the main page that you can copy catalog from over 700 libraries and other sources. How is that done? What libraries is this information coming from?

117MarthaJeanne
May 31, 2016, 5:19pm Top

Go to the LT 'Add Book' page. There you can see the list of sources available. The easiest way to enter a book is to put the ISBN into the search box, set your chosen source and click on search. One of the best sources is Overcat.

118UUFHNC
Feb 2, 2018, 5:07pm Top

Somewhere in Talk, I saw something about printing book cards, pockets and labels from LT. Is that possible? Something about saving as Excel and doing a merge? Thanks in advance.

119kristilabrie
Feb 4, 2018, 1:39pm Top

>118 UUFHNC: I know there's this thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/97585 where other members are explaining what they do to print their own spine labels. Is that what you're looking for?

120janesveska
Feb 4, 2018, 3:36pm Top

What is Tiny Cat? Can I use it for my church library? Thanks. JaneSveska

121anglemark
Feb 5, 2018, 2:58am Top

>120 janesveska: You will find more information here: https://www.librarycat.org/

122kristilabrie
Feb 5, 2018, 9:14am Top

>120 janesveska: Absolutely! We have a lot of religious institutions using TinyCat. Check out the link anglemark gave you above for more info. You can also email me (Kristi) anytime with questions: tinycat@librarything.com.

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