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Joe's Book Cafe 2017 Door 21

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75 Books Challenge for 2017

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1jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 9:29am Top









Illustrations by Alison Jay

Welcome back to the cafe!

2jnwelch
Edited: Oct 14, 2017, 11:16am Top

2017 Books

January

1. The Strange Death of Fiona Griffiths by Harry Bingham
2. Bright Dead Things by Ada Limon (poetry)
3. The Girl Who Drank the Moon by Kelly Barnhill
4. Love Story with Murders by Harry Bingham
5. Four Swans by Winston Graham
6. This Thing of Darkness by Harry Bingham
7. Tell Me by Kim Addonizio (poetry)
8. Lola by Melissa Scrivner Love
9. A Robot in the Garden by Deborah Install
10. The Dead House by Harry Bingham
11. Hillbilly Elegy by J.D. Vance
12. Suspended Sentences by Patrick Modiano
13. Queen of the Tearling by Erika Johansen
14. The Selected Poetry of Rainer Maria Rilke translated by Stephen Mitchell
15. The Invasion of the Tearling by Erika Johansen

February

16. The Fate of the Tearling by Erika Johansen
17. City by Clifford Simak
18. Eggtooth by Solia Carrock
19. The Black Moth by Georgette Heyer
20. A Lady of Quality by Georgette Heyer
21. Rules of Civility by Amor Towles
22. Binti Home by Nnedi Okorafor
23. Friday's Child by Georgette Heyer
24. The Dry by Jane Harper
25. I Will Have Vengeance by Maurizio De Giovanni
26. The Simple Truth by Philip Levine (poetry)
27. Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace!!!
28. Six Wakes by Mur Lafferty
29. Away with Fairies by Kerry Greenwood
30. The Sandman Omnibus Vol. 1 by Neil Gaiman*

March

31. News of the World by Paulette Jiles
32. My Favorite Thing is Monsters by Emil Ferris*
33. Ethan of Athos by Lois McMaster Bujold
34. Nightmare in Pink by John D. MacDonald
35. The Last Detective by Peter Lovesey
36, There Are More Beautiful Things Than Beyonce by Morgan Parker (poetry)
37. The Assault by Harry Mulisch
38. Tenant of Wildfell Hall by Anne Bronte
39. Scriptorium by Melissa Range (poetry)
40. World of Edena by Moebius*
41. A Man Called Ove by Fredrik Backman
42. The Girl, the Gold Watch and Everything by John D. MacDonald
43. Rolling Blackouts by Sarah Glidden*
44. Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman
45. Lucifer at the Starlite by Kim Addonizio
46. Echoes in Death by J.D. Robb

April

47. The Deep Blue Goodbye by John D. MacDonald
48. I Contain Multitudes by Ed Yong
49. The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu
50. Tender: Stories by Sofia Samatar
51. We Are Legion by Dennis Taylor
52. The Nonesuch by Georgette Heyer
53. Just So Happens by Fumio Obata*
54. Wild Nights: New & Selected Poems by Kim Addonizio
55. I Must Be Living Twice by Eileen Myles
56. The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
57. A Purple Place for Dying by John D. MacDonald
58. Lincoln in the Bardo by George Sanders
59. Sylvester, or the Wicked Uncle by Georgette Heyer
60. The Quick Red Fox by John D. MacDonald
61. Nutshell by Ian MacEwan
62. Orphan X by Greg Hurwitz

May

63. A Deadly Shade of Gold by John D. MacDonald
64. The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson
65. Eggshells by Caitriona Lally
66. Bright Orange for the Shroud by John D. MacDonald
67. Incendiary Art by Patricia Smith
68. Men Without Women by Haruki Murakami
69. Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer
70. The Sun is Also A Star by Nicola Yoon
71. The Someday Birds by Sally J. Pla
72. The Nowhere Man by Greg Hurwitz
73. The Toll-Gate by Georgette Heyer

June
74. Vicious Circle by C.J. Box
75. No Middle Name by Lee Child
76. 99 Poems by Dana Gioia
77. The Angry Tide by Winston Graham
78. The Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomer
79. The Deepest Grave by Harry Bingham
80. Imagine Wanting Only This by Kristen Radtke*
81. By the Shores of Silver Lake by Laura Ingalls Wilder
82. Planetfall by Emma Newman
83. Breath, Eyes, Memory by Edwidge Danticat
84. Czeslaw Milosz Selected Poems Revised
85. The Crossing Places by Elly Griffiths
86. The Janus Stone by Elly Griffiths

July

87. Grief is the Thing with Feathers by Max Porter
88. The House at Sea's End by Elly Griffiths
89. Olio by Tyehimba Jess
90. Turbo Twenty-Three by Janet Evanovich
91. Dr. Mutter's Marvels by Cristin O'Keefe Aptowicz
92. No Matter the Wreckage by Sarah Kay
93. Room Full of Bones by Ellie Griffiths
94. The Golem and the Jinni by Helene Wecker
95. Robert B. Parker's Kickback by Ace Atkins
96. Hercule Poirot's Christmas by Agatha Christie
97. Crooked House by Agatha Christie
98. Never Go Back by Lee Child
99. Who Fears Death by Nnedi Okorafor
100. The Te of Piglet by Benjamin Hoff
101. Leviathan Wakes by James S. Corey
102. Everything, Everything by Nicola Yoon
103. Arabella of Mars by David D. Levine
104. The Gentleman's Guide to Vice and Virtue by Mackenzi Lee

August

105. Magpie Murders by Anthony Horowitz
106. Brand New Ancients by Kate Tempest
107. The Best We Could Do by Thi Bui*
108. Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami
109. The Gene by Siddhartha Mukherjee
110. The Windfall by Diksha Basu
111. leadbelly by Tyehimba Jess
112. Selected Poems of W.H. Auden, selected by Edward Mendelson
113. The Obelisk Gate by N. K. Jemesin
114. Astrophysics for People in a Hurry by Neil DeGrasse Tyson
115. The Jane Austen Project by Kathryn Flynn
116. Horse and Rider by Melissa Range
117. Silence Fallen by Patricia Briggs
118. To Siri, With Love by Judith Newman
119. Stag's Leap by Sharon Olds

September

120. Blind Justice by Bruce Alexander
121. Nest of Vipers by Andrea Camilleri
123. The Stone Sky by N.K. Jemison
124. Knockemstiff by Donald Pollock
125. The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas
126. Glass Houses by Louise Penny
127. Secrets in Death by J.D. Robb
128. Words Under the Words by Naomi Shahib Nye
129. Autumn by Ali Smith
130. Don't Call Us Dead by Danez Smith
131. The Miller's Dance by Winston Graham
132. The Girl Who Takes an Eye for an Eye by David Lagercrantz
133. Why Buddhism is True by Robert Wright
134. Cousin Kate by Georgette Heyer
135. Electric Arches by Eve Ewing

October

136. Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine by Gail Honeyman
137. The Legend of Light by Bob Hicok
138. The Western Star by Craig Johnson
139. Pale Gray for Guilt by John MacDonald
140. Destiny of the Republic by Candice Millard

Graphic Novels and Illustrated Books

1. Jessica Jones Pulse by Brian Michael Bendis
2. The Singing Bones by Shaun Tan
3. Whiteout by Greg Rucka
4. Jane, the Fox and Me by Fanny Britt
5. Monstress by Marjorie M. Liu
6. The White Donkey Terminal Lance by Maximilian Uriarte
7. Paper Girls Vol. 2 by Brian K. Vaughan
8. Ms. Marvel Vol. 6 by G. Willow Wilson
9. The Flight of the Raven by Jean-Pierre Gibrat
10. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larrson and Denise Mina (re-read)
11. The Girl Who Played With Fire by Stieg Larrson and Denise Mina (re-read)
12. Radiant Child by Javaka Steptoe
13. Coward by Ed Brubaker
14. Bandette Volume 2 by Paul Tobin
15. Saga Volume 7 by Brian K. Vaughan
16. Criminal Volume 3: The Dead and the Dying by Ed Brubaker
17. Lazarus Vol. 3 by Greg Rucka
18. The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets Nest by Stieg Larrson and Denise Mina (re-read)
19. Jane Austen Cover to Cover by Margaret C. Sullivan
20. Cinnamon by Neil Gaiman
21. Strong Female Protagonist by Brennan Lee Mulligan
22. Black Widow S.H.I.E.L.D. Most Wanted by Mark Waid
23. Big Appetites by Christopher Boffoli
24. Lucifer Book Five by Mike Carey
25. One Hundred Nights of Hero by Isabel Greenberg
26. Vagabond VIZBIG Edition, Vol. 11 by Takehiko Inoue
27. Tales of Honor On Basilisk Station by David Weber
28. The Encyclopedia of Early Earth by Isabel Greenberg
29. Wonder Woman Volume 1 The Lies by Greg Rucka
30. Dresden Files Fool Moon by Jim Butcher
31. Dresden Files Downtown by Jim Butcher
32. Buffy The High School Years by Kel McDonald
33. Lazarus Volume 4 by Greg Rucka
34. Wonder Woman Vol. 5: Flesh by Brian Azzarello
35. The Adventures of John Blake by Philip Pullman
36. Roughneck by Jeff Lemire
37. Wonder Woman Bones by Brian Azzarello
38. Archie Volume 1 The New Riverdale by Mark Waid
39. Tokyo Ghost by Rick Remender
40. Guardians of the Louvre by Jiro Taneguchi
41. Sleeper Season Two by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips
42. Batman Hush by Jeph Loeb
43. The Girl from the Other Side by Nagabe
44. The Girl from the Other Side 2 by Nagabe
45. Black Hammer by Jeff Lemire
46. Scene of the Crime by Ed Brubaker
47. Spill Zone by Scott Westerfield
48. Quest by Aaron Becker
49. Return by Aaron Becker
50. Stumptown Vol. 4 by Greg Rucka
51. Ms. Marvel Vol. 7 by G. Willow Wilson
52. Valerian Complete Collection 1 by Pierre Christin
52. Valerian Complete Collection 3 by Pierre Christin
53. Paper Girls Vol. 3 by Brian K. Vaughan
54. Surreality by Caleb King
55. Monstress Volume 2 by Marie Liu
56. Catwoman Volume 3 by Ed Brubaker
57. Fatale Volume 2 by Ed Brubaker
58. Birdsong: A Story by James Sturm
59. Valerian Complete Collection 2 by Peirre Christin
60. Jessica Jones Uncaged by Brian Michael Bendis
61. Fatale Vol. 5 by Greg Rucka
62. Lazarus Vol. 5 by Greg Rucka
63, Witchblade Vol. 3: Borne Again by Ron Marz
64. Fatale Vol. 3 and Fatale Vol. 4 by Ed Brubaker

3jnwelch
Edited: Oct 14, 2017, 11:17am Top

OK, a carry over from the last thread. Discussions on other threads made me think, it would be fun to put together a list of graphic novel favorites. So here goes, one for grups (grownups) and one for kids. Someone's going to get mad at me for not putting Watchmen on the first one, but I didn't like it that much. Also, my definition of "graphic novel" is pretty loose on these and, of course, some of them aren't "novels" at all. Finally, many are the first in a favorite series, and I try to indicate that.

Favorite Graphic Novels

Alice in Sunderland by Bryan Talbot
American Born Chinese by Gene Luen Yang
Amphigorey by Edward Gorey
Asterios Polyp by David Mazzucchelli
Blankets by Craig Thompson

Bone (One Volume) by Jeff Smith
Boxers & Saints Boxed Set by Gene Luen Yang
Britten and Brulightly by Hannah Berry
Can't We Talk About Something More Pleasant by Roz Chast
The Cartoon History of the Universe by Larry Gonick

The Complete Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
The Collected Essex County by Jeff Lemire
The Complete Little Nemo in Slumberland (several volumes) by Winsor McCay
Daytripper by Gabriel Ba
Death: The High Cost of Living by Neil Gaiman

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep Omnibus by Philip K. Dick
Exit Wounds by Rutu Modan
Fun Home by Alison Bechdel
The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman
How to Understand Israel in 60 Days by Sarah Glidden

7jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 9:24am Top

A time in my youth.

Moving On

He eased his pack down against a tree
Rested his pack against it, crossed his feet.

He spoke aloud,
"I'm happy."
This sadness I carry inside
Is a well of sweet water
The sweetest I've ever tasted.
That's all that matters.

For a moment he thought of that
Sunlit room, her smile. The mourning
Dove outside the window.

He closed the door on that room
Knowing he wouldn't see it again.
Stubbing his cigarette in the dirt,
He placed the butt with the others in his pack.
He dipped his hands once more in that
Sweet water and washed
Away his tiredness.

Stretching, he got out
Needle and thread, and
Began to mend his pack.

8jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 9:25am Top

Carrying this over from the last thread, too.

9drneutron
Oct 3, 2017, 9:59am Top

Happy new thread! I'm glad for the carryover - I love that one.

10weird_O
Oct 3, 2017, 10:09am Top

Hey! Yo! Can a guy get a refill?

11Berly
Oct 3, 2017, 10:19am Top

>10 weird_O: I need that full magic cup right now!! : )

Happy new thread. I really have to try some more Graphic Novels. Do you find they work well on Kindle or do you prefer the real deal?

12ChelleBearss
Oct 3, 2017, 10:36am Top

Happy new thread! You hit me a with a book bullet at the end of your last thread with Eleanor Oliphant!

13FAMeulstee
Oct 3, 2017, 10:42am Top

Happy new thread, Joe, are those toppers illustrations of Alice in Wonderland?

14jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 10:58am Top

>9 drneutron: Thanks, Jim. Me, too!

A prize for first in the door - a different kind of 3D street art.



15jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 11:00am Top

>10 weird_O: Whoa, that's one heck of a cup trick, Bill. Are you sure you want a refill? How about a bigger cup?

16jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 11:05am Top

>11 Berly: Morning, Kim! OK, one magic coffee cup coming up - you have to be quick when you drink some, though.



Thanks re the thread! My GN advice: Do Not Read GNs on Kindle! We're not there yet, IMO. They lose a lot. Read them in hard copy. Libraries carry a ton of GNs now.

17jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 11:22am Top

>12 ChelleBearss: Thanks, Chelle! Oh good, I'm glad you're going to give Eleanor Oliphant a try at some point. Bear with her at the beginning; it's quite a story.

>13 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita. The third topper definitely is from her Alice in Wonderland; I don't believe the others are.

P.S. Here's another one from her Alice:

18Oberon
Oct 3, 2017, 11:09am Top

>5 jnwelch: In curiosity, do you consider Sandman: Overture to be worthy of inclusion with the originals. I will say that I did along with Sandman: The Dream Hunters.

19jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 11:16am Top

>17 jnwelch: Love that question, Erik. Yes, I do. Sandman: Overture is, IMO, excellent, and very worthy of inclusion with the originals. What do you think? However, despite the "Overture" title, I'd read it after the originals. Reading it first would mean missing a lot of the references, and I imagine it also would be harder to follow.

Like you, I enjoyed Sandman: Dreamhunters. I have the Yoshitaka Amano version. I haven't compared the P. Craig Russell one yet.

20msf59
Oct 3, 2017, 11:18am Top

Someone is rockin and a rollin, this fine Tuesday.

Happy New Thread, Joe. Love the Jay toppers. Enjoying the Tearling book. Not sure if I will quite finish it today.

21jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 11:21am Top

>20 msf59: Hey, buddy. Thanks! Glad you're loving the Jay toppers.

I suspect it's going to be hard not to finish the Tearling book as you get near the end. I remember I had to keep going.

22Oberon
Oct 3, 2017, 11:22am Top

I really liked Sandman:Overture as well. Totally agree that it should be read as the last of the books and not as a prelude.

I especially passionate about Sandman: Dream Hunters and consider that one of Gaiman's very best works period. I have seen the other version, the non-Amano version, and it compared so unfavorably that I was disappointed that they ever made the book. Amano's art work really elevates the story into one of the very best graphic novels out there. At least that is my highly opinionated thoughts on the book.

23brodiew2
Oct 3, 2017, 11:33am Top

Good morning, Joe, and happy new thread!

>1 jnwelch: Excellent art throughout! I'm a big fan of the Disney animated Alice in Wonderland.

24jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 12:55pm Top

>22 Oberon: Thanks, Erik. You've confirmed my suspicions about the non-Amano version. I'm with you on Amano's Dream Hunters. I was enchanted by it. Now I want to re-read it.

>23 brodiew2: Morning, Brodie. Thanks!

I'm glad you're liking the art. It's amazing, all the visual interpretations of Alice in Wonderland there are. I remember that book as being one of the first ones I was wowed by. The variety of creativity is beyond belief. And a lot of it with bite. I still get snared by The Walrus and the Carpenter, among many others.

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."


Those poor oysters - no answer came, because they'd eaten every one.

25brodiew2
Oct 3, 2017, 1:08pm Top

>24 jnwelch: The Walrus is fantastic, but for me it is the White Rabbit.

White Rabbit: Why, Mary Ann! What are you doing out here?
Alice: Mary Ann?
White Rabbit: Don't just do something, stand there... Uh... no no! Go go! Go get my gloves! I'm late!
Alice: But late for what? That's just what I...
White Rabbit: My gloves!
Blows trumpet
White Rabbit: At once, do you hear!
Alice: Goodness. I suppose I'll be taking orders from Dinah next.

26jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 2:09pm Top

>25 brodiew2: Ha! Nice one, Brodie. There are so many to choose from. I've always been a pushover for the Jabberwocky poem, too.

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”


(and so on)

27DeltaQueen50
Oct 3, 2017, 2:38pm Top

Hi Joe, I had a lot of catching up to do here but I enjoyed every bit of it. :) I love your list of graphic novels. I see my favorites made your list - The Complete Essex County, all the March books, Blankets, and both the Sandman and the Walking Dead series. Luckily for me your list has a few that I haven't gotten to yet so I have taken a few BBs.

Just wanted to add how sad I was to hear about Tom Petty, I loved his music and remember being stuck in traffic with my girlfriend and turning up and singing along to "Refugee" as loudly as we could.

As for "Alice", I have loved those books since childhood, but I believe it's the poems I best remember. The words of "The Walrus and the The Carpenter" are perfect to read aloud.

28jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 4:22pm Top

>27 DeltaQueen50: Hi, Judy! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed catching up!

Perfect - besides the fun of putting it together, I was hoping the graphic novel list might give those interested some new ones to try.

Yeah, what a shame about Tom Petty. That's way too young these days. "Refugee" - who can resist singing along? And I loved the way he resolved the problem with Sam Smith's "Stay with Me" tracking Petty's "Won't Back Down" so closely. Partial writing credit for, and a share of the royalties from, Smith's song, no lawsuit. That's the way to do it.

The poems in "Alice" are sharp and memorable, aren't they. The Mouse's Tale, You are Old Father William, The Mock Turtle's Song (the Lobster Quadrille) . . .

29NarratorLady
Oct 3, 2017, 4:26pm Top

So happy to see the love for Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine. I've mentioned it before but it's worth repeating to those so inclined: it's an absolutely superb audiobook, voiced by Cathleen McCarron.

>3 jnwelch: Joe, I'm not a big reader of graphic novels but I do have two that I highly recommend that aren't on your list. Stitches: A Memoir by David Small focuses on a strange form of parental abuse and the horror of a botched operation when he was 14. Small's drawings look like something from a Beverly Cleary book but his anguish leaps off the page.

Also, as a fan of Alison Bechdel, you might want to curl up with an omnibus of Dykes to Watch Out For. This is years of work: the author's weekly strips compiled in a huge volume that I guiltily swallowed up over a rainy weekend.

30jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 6:03pm Top

>28 jnwelch: Thanks, Anne. Yes, lots of love for Eleanor Oliphant, and it's well-deserved. Good rec!

Yeah, I've looked at Stitches, and probably should give it another chance. There are many GN memoirs I've enjoyed (it was hard not to put some Lucy Knisley ones on my list, for ex), but that one gave me a miss. I put Alison Bechdel's Fun Home on my list, but Dykes to Watch Out For didn't grab me when I tried it. I'm probably too much of a dolt to properly appreciate it.

I imagine you've probably read Roz Chast's Can't We Talk About Something More Pleasant. If not, you'd probably like that one. And Craig Thompson's Blankets is another standout memoir.

31jessibud2
Oct 3, 2017, 6:16pm Top

>30 jnwelch: - I did not know that Fun Home was a graphic novel. It is part of my theatre series, and I will be seeing it performed on stage in the near future. Interesting. Do you think it would make sense to try to read it first?
The next play up in the series is next week, and it's The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime, which I read when it first came out. I wasn't sure how it could translate to the stage but the reviews are great.

32jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 6:34pm Top

>31 jessibud2: Hi, Shelley.

You're going to love The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime. Madame MBH and I had read the book first, and actually had talked about how it could never successfully be turned into a play (!) Too much of it goes on inside Christopher's mind, or so we thought. They've been so clever in adapting it. Fantastic. We saw it in NYC, but I've heard the same love for other productions. You're having read the book will probably give you a leg up on enjoying the play.

We'd both also read the Fun Home GN (it's excellent) before seeing the play in NYC, but I don't think you need to read it before seeing the play. You'll get the story with no problem, and it's beautifully done. It's unusual to have a graphic novel adapted into a play, isn't it; I can't think of another one. But after the success of Fun Home, I'll bet adapters are taking a close look at others.

33jnwelch
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 6:42pm Top



Another excellent Longmire story from Craig Johnson. Early in his career, Longmire is on a train with a bunch of sheriffs when a murder occurs. He's reading Murder on the Orient Express. Who the heck done it? Whoever the heck it is, in present time he/she is trying to get released from jail and Longmire is trying to stop it. As usual, the pages fly by - like a train racing down the tracks through Wyoming. Now I can't wait for the next one; there's some important unfinished business, and I need to read about it sooner rather than later. The tips of the Stetson to Dame Agatha add to the fun in this one.

34Crazymamie
Oct 3, 2017, 7:07pm Top

Happy new one, Joe! Those toppers are full of charm - my favorite is the very first one.

Craig liked the newest entry in the Longmire series, too.

35jessibud2
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 8:28pm Top

>32 jnwelch: - Thanks, Joe. I am looking forward to both shows. And you're right; I think sometimes it's better not to know ahead of time what you are getting into when seeing an adaptation.

36PaulCranswick
Oct 3, 2017, 7:50pm Top

Happy new thread, Joe.

>7 jnwelch: Moving little snapshot.

37msf59
Oct 3, 2017, 8:10pm Top

>29 NarratorLady: I requested the audio of Eleanor Oliphant is Completely Fine from the library. Thanks.

38jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 8:13pm Top

>34 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie!

She's got a bunch of good ones. I like that first one, too. The fourth may be my favorite.

I've got to meet Craig one of these days. He and I seem to have a good bit of reading overlap.

>35 jessibud2: Have fun, Shelley! Let us know what you think of the plays.

39jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 8:16pm Top

>36 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul. And thanks for giving some attention to Moving On. Those were the days, my friend.

>37 msf59: Good move, Mark. I'll look to hearing your reactions to the audio.

40jnwelch
Oct 3, 2017, 8:21pm Top



We're traveling to eastern Tennessee tomorrow for a few days, to visit Madame MBH's family. I'll check in, but probably won't be on LT as much as usual. Feel free to frolic about the premises, and make free use of the kitchen.

41msf59
Oct 3, 2017, 8:24pm Top

>39 jnwelch: I am such a pushover, right?

>40 jnwelch: Have a great time in Tennessee. Beautiful country. When do you come back?

42m.belljackson
Oct 3, 2017, 9:05pm Top

>17 jnwelch:

If you want another ALICE - with incredible illustrations - try the Salvador Dali!

43NarratorLady
Edited: Oct 3, 2017, 11:30pm Top

>30 jnwelch: I have read Roz Chast's GN and thought it was terrific. I've put Blankets on the list

Thanks and happy travels!

44scaifea
Oct 4, 2017, 6:26am Top

Morning, Joe! Happy new thread!

Charlie and I read a picture book last night that I'm positive you and your MBH would absolutely love: The Sound of Silence by Katrina Goldsaito. If your library has it, I highly (and humbly) recommend that you take a look.

The Jabberwocky has always been my favorite part of the Alice books, too. So fun to read aloud.

45jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 6:32am Top

>41 msf59: I got pushed over myself for Eleanor Oliphant, Mark. Good thing our LT friends push us for good reason!

We fly back on Monday. Should be a nice trip down there.

>42 m.belljackson: Thanks, Marianne! I've not seen the Dali Alice in Wonderland - I'll look for it.

>43 NarratorLady: Oh good, Anne. The Chast GN seemed like your cuppa. I'll look forward to hearing what you think of Blankets when the time comes.

Thanks re the trip - we're packed and getting ready to head to the airport. I started Destiny of the Republic, and have a Travis McGee, a Spenser, and a pocket collected Yeats for the trip.

46jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 6:36am Top

>44 scaifea: Thanks, Amber!

The Sound of Silence by Katrina Goldsaito, got it. Thanks for the tip. I'll alert Madame MBH, too.

We didn't memorize poetry when I was a lad; I liked Jabberwocky so much that it's the only one whose first stanza I can do from memory. :-)

47msf59
Oct 4, 2017, 6:41am Top

Happy Wednesday! Safe travels, Joe!

48jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 6:46am Top

>46 jnwelch: Thanks, buddy! Have a good one today.

Off we go!

49NarratorLady
Oct 4, 2017, 6:48am Top

>45 jnwelch: Even though I hate the title - so ambiguous! - Destiny of the Republic is one of my favorite NF books. The huz got a lot of "listen to this" excerpts while I was reading that one. So Debbi, beware!

PS: I suppose the subtitle "A Tale of Medicine, Madness and the Murder of a President" is more informative but the title sounds as compelling as a junior high social studies textbook.

50NarratorLady
Oct 4, 2017, 6:52am Top

>37 msf59: Let me know what you think of Eleanor on audio Mark. I listen while driving and she made my commute hugely entertaining.

51msf59
Oct 4, 2017, 6:54am Top

>49 NarratorLady: I am with you. Destiny of the Republic is excellent. My favorite Millard.

52scaifea
Oct 4, 2017, 7:38am Top

>46 jnwelch: My high school boyfriend (and now still one of my very best friends) caught my attention at the time because he had the entire poem memorized. Swept me right off my feet, snicker-snack.

53sibyx
Oct 4, 2017, 8:09am Top

Stopping by to say hello, enjoy your travels and be safe.

Very much enjoyed coffee shower guy.

54Caroline_McElwee
Oct 4, 2017, 9:06am Top

>40 jnwelch: Frolicking, frolicking.... Have a lovely visit Joe.

55Carmenere
Oct 4, 2017, 10:24am Top

Happy new thread Joe!!

56benitastrnad
Oct 4, 2017, 10:30am Top

#33
I think that all the literary illusions in the Longmire books add to the panache and cachet of the series. The fact that both Longmire and Standing Bear are a) football players, b) readers, c) and at least one is a gourmand, also adds to the depth of characters found in the series. I just wish that Johnson would allow more Henry into the series.

57ChelleBearss
Oct 4, 2017, 10:31am Top

Have a fun and safe trip!

58benitastrnad
Edited: Oct 4, 2017, 10:57am Top

Did you happen to hear the NPR interview with Jane Fonda and Robert Redford? Apparently, they are starring in a little Indie movie with the title Our Souls At Night. It is based on a little book written by on Kent Haruf. It is a Netflix production. The link to the interview is below.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/01/554536069/in-our-souls-at-night-robert-redford-and...

59m.belljackson
Oct 4, 2017, 11:16am Top

>26 jnwelch:

I've been reading Michael Perry's Montaigne in Barn Boots where he offers different translators versions
of Montaigne's Essays.

Then, saw Jabberwocky again and wondered what translators do with that first paragraph!
Likely, just leave it in English, but fun to imagine their words.

60maikefa
Oct 4, 2017, 11:23am Top

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61brodiew2
Oct 4, 2017, 11:25am Top

Have safe and wonderful trip, Joe! See you when you get back.

>45 jnwelch: It sounds like you have a excellent little library for the trip. You know how much I love Destiny of the Republic. It is my favorite of Millard's books. So well done. I also hope you enjoy your Spenser and McGee. I wonder what it would be like to see those two partner up.

62weird_O
Oct 4, 2017, 11:49am Top

Have a nice trip, Joe. My dad was born in Johnson City and lived in Boone's Creek in Washington County. I was there once, but I was so young I don't remember a thing about it. I do have a few photos my dad took. Of course, the area is vastly different from what it was in the 1920s and the 1940s. But I want to visit and roam around; my wife not so much.

63benitastrnad
Oct 4, 2017, 6:15pm Top

I have another novel to add to my Best of the Year list. Secret of Magic by Deborah Johnson. This novel won the Harper Lee Award for Legal Fiction. This award is given by the University of Alabama Law School for a work of fiction that features lawyers making a difference in the world.

This novel was great! From the first pages of this book I was sucked into the world depicted in this novel. In many ways it is a strange mixture of stories and so parts of it read differently than other parts, but for me, all the parts worked brilliantly. There are parts of this book that reminds me of Underneath by Kathi Appelt, and later in the book one of the characters speaks about old legends and even older Mississippian Indian legends. These people are related to the Cado peoples talked about in the Newbery Honor Book by Appelt. The novel is set in the area in which I live (the author lives in Columbus, Mississippi about 80 miles from Tuscaloosa) and while the town in which the action takes place is fictional, the book tells about other sites and geographical features that are real and well known in this area. But this is only part of the novel.

This novel, while set in 1946 at the beginning of the Civil Rights Movement, accurately depicts the relations between Blacks and Whites in this area - even today. I am sure that this fact alone has not made it any friends in the Deep South, but it should be read, if for nothing else, just for the accurate picture of race relations. This is a much more realistic picture of the present day Deep South than that milksop, candy-coated, cream puff of a novel "The Help" could ever be. So, of course, "Secret of Magic" is written by a "Woman of Color," whereas "The Help" is not. No wonder Southerners love the latter and wouldn't really take to the former. But don't let any of that stop you from reading this book. It will make you laugh and cry. A novel can't do better than that.

64jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 7:39pm Top

>49 NarratorLady:. You’re right, Anne. Blah title. I just read the quote in the book where it came from. Maybe we fans of the book (yes, I’m liking it!) can come up with a better one.

I just finished the part where he unexpectedly gets nominated after the convention first gets tied up in knots.

>50 NarratorLady:. That’s one I can imagine being great on audio. I’d love to hear Eleanor’s voice. How does she do with Raymond?

65jnwelch
Edited: Oct 4, 2017, 8:32pm Top

>51 msf59:. She must have improved on titles, Mark. Hero of the Empire is more of a grabber. That’s the other one of hers I’ve read, and I liked it a lot.

>52 scaifea:. Man, your ex-beau, current bestie, deserves major credit. It never occurred to me to try to woo the girls with Jabberwocky. Brilliant! If you get a blank look or rolled eyes in return, it was never meant to be. :-)

66jnwelch
Edited: Oct 4, 2017, 8:33pm Top

>53 sibyx:. Hi, Lucy. Thanks for stopping by. We arrived safely, and what a beautiful part of the country.

The coffee shower guy cracks me up every time. I’m glad you enjoyed it.

>54 Caroline_McElwee:. Ha! Thank goodness someone is frolicking about the cafe, Caroline!

It’s been a lovely visit so far, and tomorrow we’ll do some hiking in Great Smoky Mountains national park. There’s an entrance right by where we’re staying with Debbi’s brother and our SIL.

67jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 8:00pm Top

>55 Carmenere:. Thanks, Lynda! Good to see you!

>56 benitastrnad:. Good points about the Longmire books, Benita. I particularly like the “reader” part, of course. That comes through strongly again in the new one. Like you, I also would enjoy more of Henry in these. Great character.

68jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 8:05pm Top

>57 ChelleBearss:. Thanks, Chelle!

>58 benitastrnad:. I loved Our Souls at Night (the book), Benita. I’m a big Haruf fan. That was his last one, written while he knew he was dying.

I’ve been reading about the movie. I have mixed feelings about the idea of seeing it.

69jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 8:15pm Top

>59 m.belljackson:. If there ever is a big translator contest, winner getting several free books, Jabberwocky would be a great one to separate the best from the less, Marianne. How to say, ‘Twas brillig and the slithy toves in French? Hmm.

BTW, I’m on my phone, and autocorrect didn’t agree with the spelling of most of that line!

70jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 8:27pm Top

>61 brodiew2: Wow, McGee and Spenser teaming up. There’s a gripping thought, Brodie!

Lee Child has done two collections of team up stories like that, I believe. The first one is called Faceoff(can’t find the touchstone, but that’s the title). I haven’t read them yet.

>62 weird_O:. We’re in Sevierville near Gatlinburg, Bill. (We flew into Knoxville). It’s really pretty and laidback here. For us, it’s a great changeup from city life. If your wife likes to slow down and relax, this is a good area for that.

71jnwelch
Oct 4, 2017, 8:31pm Top

>63 benitastrnad:. The Secret of Magic sounds good, Benita. I’d read about it elsewhere and wondered. Nice review - you might put that up on the book page?

72NarratorLady
Oct 4, 2017, 10:04pm Top

>64 jnwelch: In order for a fiction audiobook to be any good, the narrator has to differentiate all the major characters. Sometimes the voice modulations are subtle but the listener should know which character is speaking and McCarron nails each one. Raymond and Sammy are particularly good and, of course, Eleanor is wonderful.

73peterbmacd
Oct 5, 2017, 1:16am Top

If you buy them from Amazon or Comixology, the panel view is great! It's a neat idea, and it stops you from catching a peak at the next panel or page so you don't go too fast.

74LovingLit
Oct 5, 2017, 4:06am Top

From your last thread......I hadn't realised there were more books than the original Steig Larsson ones. Too bad The Girl Who Takes an Eye for an Eye didn't work out for you.

>40 jnwelch: have a great trip. I will refrain from sampling the (self-made) coffee, as I am in need of some shut-eye.

75karenmarie
Oct 5, 2017, 4:59am Top

Hi Joe!

I thought I had posted on your new thread, but alas! I miss my mind.

Happy new thread and happy trip.

76scaifea
Oct 5, 2017, 6:23am Top

Morning, Joe! It sounds like your trip is going well!

77jessibud2
Oct 5, 2017, 6:36am Top

Joe, was it you who had said you thought Tracy Kidder's Mountains Beyond Mountains was so good? When I read his Strength in What Remains not too long ago, I remember someone mentioning that other one and saying it was excellent. I saw a brand new documentary film last night about Dr. Paul Farmer and his organization (PIH, Partners in Health), called *Bending the Arc* and did some googling when I got home, to discover the Kidder book title, which was instantly familiar to me. I wrote more about the film on my thread. It was truly inspiring and ultimately, uplifting; the power of people who care deeply and act on those commitments is not only awesome but something we are in danger of forgetting exists, in this current political climate. It was just what was needed and a film I highly recommend.

78jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 8:19am Top

>72 NarratorLady:. Thanks, Anne. Ah, Sammy. I may have to do an audio re-read some day. That sounds awfully good.

>74 LovingLit:. Hi, Megan. There are two more Lisbeth Salander books now, by Lagercrantz. The first one was good,the second one not. Although the second one is on the bestseller lists.

We’ll have plenty of coffee ready when you’re done with that shuteye.

79jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 8:33am Top

>75 karenmarie:. Ha! Thanks, Karen! No worries. I often miss my mind, too. Where it floats off to baffles me sometimes. Thanks for stopping by the new thread.

>76 scaifea:. Morning, Amber! Very nice trip so far. We had dinner with a big group at the house of one of the brothers last night, and we’ll be hiking this morning. I hope all is well at Scaife Manor.

>77 jessibud2:. Yes, that was me, Shelley. I LOVED Mountains Beyond Mountains; it’s one of my favorite books ever. We’ve been giving to Partners in Health and following Dr. Paul Farmer ever since we both read it. Strenth in What Remains bowled me over, too. What a story!

I’ll have to read more about *Bending the Arc* on your thread, and find the film. Sounds wonderful.

80Caroline_McElwee
Oct 5, 2017, 8:40am Top

81jnwelch
Edited: Oct 5, 2017, 9:59am Top

British writer Kazuo Ishiguro has won the 2017 Nobel Prize for Literature.



Thanks, Caroline! He is a worthy winner. They mention the two of his I liked best, Remains of the Day (a perfect novel, IMO), and Never Let Me Go. An Artist of the Floating World was another good one for me.

82jnwelch
Edited: Oct 5, 2017, 10:01am Top



In honor of our friend Mark, and all our LT warblers

83weird_O
Oct 5, 2017, 10:08am Top

>82 jnwelch: Ha ha ha ha ha. I luv it.

84FAMeulstee
Oct 5, 2017, 10:23am Top

>81 jnwelch: Our own library has 5 books more now by a Nobel Prize winner ;-)

>82 jnwelch: LOL! omeone had fun with Photoshop.

85jessibud2
Oct 5, 2017, 10:30am Top

>82 jnwelch: - In honour of Mark, I almost expected that guy to be hoisting a beer, not a cup of tea...;-)

86msf59
Oct 5, 2017, 10:48am Top

>82 jnwelch: LIKE!!

Sweet Thursday, Joe. Have a great time hiking in the Smokies. I wish I could tag along.

Hope you are enjoying the Millard. That one is my favorite.

87Crazymamie
Oct 5, 2017, 10:51am Top

>82 jnwelch: Made me laugh out loud! Thanks for that - Sweet Thursday to you, Joe!

Also, hooray for Kazuo Ishiguro - very exciting.

88NarratorLady
Oct 5, 2017, 11:32am Top

>81 jnwelch: Couldn't be happier about Ishiguro getting the Nobel. Remains of the Day is indeed perfection. When I read it the first time I marveled that this man, who emigrated from Japan as a young boy, could so perfectly capture the voice of an English butler from the thirties. When I re-read it, I was simply enthralled by the beauty of his writing. On a personal note, it was the last book I gave to my mother (from whom I inherited my love of reading) before she died. Great memories of discussing this wonderful story with her.

89brodiew2
Oct 5, 2017, 12:01pm Top

Good morning, Joe! I hope your vacation is treating you well.

>81 jnwelch: Congratulations to Ishiguro! I have never read one of his books, but, and I may be blaspheming here, I really enjoyed the film of The Remains of the Day.

90benitastrnad
Oct 5, 2017, 12:14pm Top

I am ambivalent about Ishiguro. I have liked what I have read of his, but not been bowled over by it. I would have been much happier with an author from someplace other than Europe. I think the Nobel committees don't think outside the box. (Sort of like many of the other awards that are given.) I especially would have liked Murakami. Almost everything he has written has been some kind of amazing journey for me.

91benitastrnad
Oct 5, 2017, 12:16pm Top

#71
Secret of Magic was very well done, and so relevant to this area of Mississippi and Alabama. I do wonder what our discussion is going to be like on Sunday, as many of the members of that group are from this area, and the book is about a very sensitive topic down here. It might be an interesting discussion.

92rosalita
Oct 5, 2017, 12:20pm Top

I heartily approve of Ishiguro being chosen for the Nobel, and I agree with Joe that Remains of the Day is about as close to perfect as a novel can get. I think it's comical to say that the Nobel committee doesn't think outside the box, considering the uproar last year when they chose a songwriter for this award.

93scaifea
Oct 5, 2017, 1:16pm Top

Woot for Ishiguro! Chiming in with my agreement that Remains of the Day is gorgeous.

>92 rosalita: Julia: Agreed - how much farther out of that box could they get than with that Dylan choice? YOICKS.

94rosalita
Oct 5, 2017, 1:30pm Top

>93 scaifea: Right?!

95scaifea
Oct 5, 2017, 1:45pm Top

96jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 6:17pm Top

>83 weird_O:. Glad that one got you chuckling, Bill.

>84 FAMeulstee:. Hi, Anita. Good thinking! Our home library just got more Nobel winner-filled.

You think >82 jnwelch: is photoshopped? Maybe there’s some kind of Island of Dr. Moreau thing going on?

97jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 6:25pm Top

>85 jessibud2:. I get your point, Shelley. Maybe there’s beer in that cup? It’d Be tough to hold a stein in those tiny hands.

>86 msf59:. Sweet Thursday, Mark!

Have you seen one like >82 jnwelch: in the wild? Who knew?

The hike was great. Check Facebook for some photos. We’re going to try to squeeze another in before we go.

Yes, I’m thoroughly enjoying the Millard. I like the way she goes off on well-researched tangents that give the flavor of the time, like Alexander Graham Bell.

98bell7
Oct 5, 2017, 6:36pm Top

*frolicking*

Hope you're having a great trip, Joe. I went with some of my family to Sevierville and the Smoky Mountains National Park last year and really enjoyed it.

99jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 6:36pm Top

>87 Crazymamie:. Ha! Glad you got a kick out of >82 jnwelch:, Mamie!

Sweet Thursday, my friend. And hooray for Ishiguro!

>88 NarratorLady:. I’m with you on Ishiguro and Remains of the Day, Anne. He does write so beautifully, doesn’t he. That’s a great story about giving your mother ROTD and discussing it with her. I miss talking about books with my own.

100jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 6:46pm Top

>89 brodiew2:. Hiya, Brodie. Thanks - the vacation is going swell; what a lovely part of the country. A Pacific Nortwesterner would appreciate this.

Ishiguro is well worth reading when the time is right; he’s a standout. It’s almost too bad that you’ve seen the ROTD movie; I remembered how wowed I was in reading the book by the dawning realization that all was much different than I supposed.

>90 benitastrnad:. Hi, Benita. You know I’m with you on Murakami. At this point I think the Nobel committee just doesn’t want to give it to him.

There are a lot of non-Euro possibilities; I’d like to see them expand their horizons, too. And not to songwriters!

101brodiew2
Oct 5, 2017, 6:49pm Top

>100 jnwelch: it's been years since I saw the movie and could probably read the book and still be surprised.

102jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 6:53pm Top

>91 benitastrnad:. Let us know how the book club discussion of Secret of Magic goes. It sure sounds like it has potential to generate an interesting one.

>92 rosalita:. Hi, Julia. Yeah, I think they went too far out of the box with Bob Dylan.

The Ishiguro pick is fine, isn’t it. He’s a very talented writer, and Remains of the Day is one for the ages.

103jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 7:03pm Top

>93 scaifea:. Hey, Amber.

Yup, with you on the WOOT and the Yoicks. They got themselves back on track after that weird Dylan pick.

I wasn’t thrilled with the Modiano pick either. I’ve read two his now, and neither rose to the level of an Ishiguro.

>94 rosalita:, >95 scaifea:. Right!

104jnwelch
Oct 5, 2017, 7:10pm Top

>98 bell7:. Ha! Excellent - the more frolicking the better, Mary. Let’s lively up this cafe. :-)

We are having a great trip, thanks. Yes, you were right where we are. Isn’t it beautiful? We went into Gatlinburg, too. Commercial and people-filled, but there are some fun stores. Among the treasures we found were milk chocolate covered maple creams, Yum!

>101 brodiew2:. Perfect, Brodie. I know how that is. Give yourself a good surprise some time.

105msf59
Oct 5, 2017, 7:19pm Top

Glad you are having a great time Joe, in eastern TN. I did briefly see the photos, Debbi posted. Gorgeous locales. I will stop back over and take a closer look.

Yah, for Millard! I am so glad you got to this one. She is so effortless, isn't she?

106benitastrnad
Edited: Oct 5, 2017, 9:25pm Top

#103
I think the Nobel committee has picked three clinkers in a row. The last pick they made that was anywhere near believable was Alice Munro and that one was a big surprise. They, and the Booker committees in the last couple of years must live on some other planet. But maybe if they did then Margret Atwood or Murakami would win!

107benitastrnad
Edited: Oct 5, 2017, 10:25pm Top

I listened to an interview with N. K. Jemison today. It was on the New York Times Book Review Podcast. I know you are a fan of her books and she is a rarity in that she has won two Hugo awards in a row and now is. New York Times Best Selling author. I did not know that she is the science fiction/fantasy editor and columnist for the New York Times Book Review! This is a multi-talented author for sure and I will have to get to her books sometime soon.

RIght now I am reading Nine-Fox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee which has been confusing right here at the beginning. It had great reviews so I hope it straightens out soon, or I will be moving on to another title.

108jnwelch
Oct 6, 2017, 8:31am Top

>105 msf59: Good morning, Mark!

Gorgeous locale is right. This morning we're going to be walking along the Little Pigeon River. My heart rate is getting down near complete sloth, where I like it.

I like that for Millard: so effortless. I love writers like that. You know the effort actually is there - the amount of research she must have done to support each part! - but she makes it seem so effortless.

>106 benitastrnad: Atwood and Murakami would be far better picks than the recent ones for me, too, Benita, although I'm A-OK with Ishiguro. Even for those who aren't big fans, there's no denying that he's a legit, exceptionally talented writer, seems to me. It is a shame that they've lowered prestige of the prize, and frustrated serious readers, with bad choices.

>107 benitastrnad: Yes, I'm an N.K. Jemison fan. Her sci-fi/fantasy review column for the NYTimes book review is very well done (I get frustrated with the mystery reviewer, Marilyn Stasio). I think there's a good chance the third in that Broken Earth trilogy may win a Hugo, too - wouldn't that be something?

Please let me know what you think of Nine-Fox Gambit. Dr. Jim liked it, and I've planned to read it, but I've yet to attain lift-off.

Did you read Binti and Binti Home? They're short, different, and very well done. Our son and I liked them both, and Madame MBH just read and liked the first one.

109scaifea
Oct 6, 2017, 8:43am Top

Morning, Joe!

110jnwelch
Oct 6, 2017, 10:59am Top

>110 jnwelch: Morning, Amber!

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood . . .

111jnwelch
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112Crazymamie
Oct 6, 2017, 12:00pm Top

>111 jnwelch: Yes, please. Happy Friday, Joe!

113brodiew2
Oct 6, 2017, 12:01pm Top

Good morning, Joe!

>111 jnwelch: Beautiful pic. I love it.

I've finally decided on a print read. My current read is The Long Journey to Jake Palmer. My next planned read is Lincoln in Bardo. I have heard nothing but good about it and have also heard it could be a challenge on audio.

114jnwelch
Oct 6, 2017, 12:40pm Top

>112 Crazymamie: :-) Happy Friday, Mamie!

We're off to the bookstore. How's that sound?

>113 brodiew2: Thanks, Brodie. Good morning!

I don't know The Long Journey to Jake Palmer, so I'll look forward to your comments on that one. Lincoln in the Bardo is aces. I'm curious about that audio - it has a huge cast, from what I've seen.

I'm still enjoying Destiny of the Republic - I'm about a quarter of the way through.

115benitastrnad
Oct 6, 2017, 12:47pm Top

#108
I read Binti and the library has Binti Home but it has disappeared already and we only had it for about 6 months. I think my next book by Okorafo will be Akata Witch. Nine-Fox Gambit is way out there sci/fi and it is going to be like the Ancillary series in that it will take a little getting into as a reader. I like the plot premise, so have hopes for it. I am still in the world building stage at this point.

116drneutron
Oct 6, 2017, 1:56pm Top

>107 benitastrnad: re: Ninefox Gambit. Stick with it - the concept gets clearer as you go.

117richardderus
Oct 6, 2017, 4:25pm Top

>1 jnwelch: help help i fell asleep too late to have coffee when i woke up i am desperate and bereft

118benitastrnad
Oct 6, 2017, 5:56pm Top

#116
I just met the evil general in Nine-Fox Gambit but I am still not quite clear about what the mission is. I am sure it will come.

119ronincats
Oct 6, 2017, 9:44pm Top

>117 richardderus: Oops, emergency services while the proprietor is off the premises. Here, Richard!

120Familyhistorian
Oct 6, 2017, 10:15pm Top

Sounds like you are having a wonderful trip, Joe. Sorry to miss the beginning of your thread but I am travelling myself. It's nice to spend time with the relatives, isn't it?

121charl08
Oct 6, 2017, 11:51pm Top

I love the name smoky mountains, must Google to correct ignorance re what they actually look like.

To chime in late re Nobel, I have enjoyed reading Ishiguro so pleased to see him getting recognition. As a writer whose writing I think brings together elements of Japanese and British style in new ways (or at least, newly accessible ways) his work deserves accolades.
Having said that, a better representation of the achievements of women writers by the awarding committee would be appreciated.

122msf59
Oct 7, 2017, 7:11am Top

Happy Saturday, Joe! I hope you are continuing to have a wonderful time.

How about those Cubs? How about that Hendricks? Simply magical, right?

123jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 7:56am Top

>115 benitastrnad: Binti Home is worth your time when you can find it, Benita. I haven't read Akata Witch yet, but I did like her Who Fears Death.

>116 drneutron: Good to hear, Jim. I've got Ninefox Gambit teed up on my Kindle.

124jnwelch
Edited: Oct 7, 2017, 8:01am Top

>117 richardderus: Ha! Great to see you back at the cafe, Richard! Here you go, buddy:

125jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 8:02am Top

>118 benitastrnad: Following behind you, Benita.

>119 ronincats: Thanks for the emergency services for desperate Richard, Roni! :-)

126jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 8:07am Top

>120 Familyhistorian: It is nice to spend time with relatives, Meg, thanks. We had the whole mishpucka together last night.

I need to catch up on your travels! Are you a happy retiree so far?

>121 charl08: "Smoky" comes from the mist and fog that hangs over the mountains, Charlotte - supposedly the Cherokee Indians named them. Isn't it a great name?

I'm with you on having more women winning the Nobel for literature. Margaret Atwood is one who jumps out, and Jane Gardam also comes to mind. Who else can we think of?

127jnwelch
Edited: Oct 7, 2017, 8:11am Top

>122 msf59: Happy Saturday, Mark!

How great to have that win for the Cubs. The Nats are tough, tough, tough this year. Yay for Hendricks! I was schmoozing with the relatives, and had to follow along on my phone. Big win!

I'm among Red Sox fans (they used to live in Massachusetts), and they're suffering, having gone down 2 to Houston.

P.S. I just finished Destiny of the Republic. Excellent! Woo, tough to follow along with that medical mis-care. What a shame.

128richardderus
Oct 7, 2017, 11:35am Top

>119 ronincats:, >124 jnwelch:, >127 jnwelch: Ohthankgawd I am redeemed...went to therapy this AM uncaffeinated due to binge-watching season 2 of The Expanse therefore arising late. The headache loomed.

Oh my goodness yes, Joe, the medical mistakes made on poor Garfield make for terrifying, disturbing reading, and Millard is just the storyteller to make *not* reading them inconceivable. Which means exactly what I think it means.

129Familyhistorian
Oct 7, 2017, 12:13pm Top

>126 jnwelch: Retirement seems like a vacation so far, Joe. I am in London, Ontario watching my SIL prepare lamb for Thanksgiving. Yum.

130jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 1:34pm Top

>128 richardderus: Ha! Totally agree, Richard. She makes all the medical mistakes fascinating and the reader can't look away. Poor Alexander Graham Bell, after all his hard work, they had him investigating the wrong side for the bullet!.

>129 Familyhistorian: Perfect, Meg. Retirement should seem like a vacation. Happy Thanksgiving!

131jnwelch
Edited: Oct 7, 2017, 2:31pm Top

Pics of Madame MBH and me from our national park hike along the Little Pigeon River.





132FAMeulstee
Oct 7, 2017, 2:49pm Top

>131 jnwelch: Looks like you both had a good time, Joe, was it a long hike?

133jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 3:13pm Top

>132 FAMeulstee: Thanks, Anita. We did. It was long and not long - we miscalculated where to park, and had a beautiful hike through the forest to get to the trail to hike! We're going back tomorrow (if Hurricane Nate's effects hold off) to park closer and hike further into the Great Smoky Mountain national park. More photos will likely ensue.

134charl08
Oct 7, 2017, 3:34pm Top

That looks lovely and peaceful, Joe. Hope it continues to go well.

I am amazed at the local street art here, all new since I last visited, but will have to post when I get home I think, as data not playing ball.

135jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 3:51pm Top

>134 charl08: Thanks, Charlotte. Oh, I'm looking forward to seeing that street art. Looks like you're having a great trip!

136jnwelch
Oct 7, 2017, 3:52pm Top

A good one taken by Madame MBH.

137richardderus
Oct 7, 2017, 5:10pm Top

>131 jnwelch: don't y'all look zippy! The Smoky Mountains are favorites of mine.

138karenmarie
Oct 7, 2017, 5:56pm Top

Hi Joe!

I was at our Friends of the Library book sale on Thursday when they announced Ishiguro as the winner of the Nobel prize for literature and all the dealers there went into a frenzy snarfing up copies of his books.

I have three of his books on my shelves, to be read. One of these days....

Looks like you're having a very good time.

139roundballnz
Oct 7, 2017, 6:19pm Top

Nice pics up there of your wanderings in the parks ........

140ChelleBearss
Oct 7, 2017, 7:02pm Top

Glad to see that you are having a good trip! Looks like a lovely place to hike!
Crossing my fingers that Nate holds off on the bad weather for you!

141EBT1002
Oct 7, 2017, 7:03pm Top

Glad you enjoyed Destiny of the Republic, Joe. I thought it was excellent and I agree with you and Richard and others that the medical mistakes are breathtaking in a not-good way. Compelling reading that made me grateful for living after the germ theory made its way past the skeptics.

Lovely pics of you and Debbi. You're looking quite trim there, my friend (which, when you mistype it, gets autocorrected to look gin, which may be more appealing in any case).

I hope you're having a good weekend!

142scaifea
Oct 8, 2017, 8:46am Top

Great photos, Joe! I'm glad that you're having such a good time!

143jnwelch
Oct 8, 2017, 8:59am Top

>137 richardderus: Hiya, Richard. It's a continuing pleasure to have you back with us!

We pride ourselves on our zippiness, you know. The Great Smoky Mountain national park is a beaut, and I had no idea it's as big as it is. It's rainy here today, but I'm still hoping we can make a hike work.

>138 karenmarie: Good morning, Karen!

Isn't that funny? Ishiguro gets announced as the Nobel winner, and dealers at the book sale go crazy trying to grab his books. I understand book dealers in principle, but too often at book sales I've found them surly and unpleasant - seeing books as commodities to make them money, rather than being motivated by love like the rest of us.

He's worth your reading time - Remains of the Day is a classic. We liked his other early ones, too (An Artist of the Floating World, and Pale View of the Hills, and Never Let it Go was good.

144jnwelch
Oct 8, 2017, 9:00am Top

>139 roundballnz: Hi, Alex. Yeah, as a hiker, you'd enjoy it here. We're about to head out and see whether we can enjoy some despite the rain.

We'll be back later, and I'll catch up some more.

145jnwelch
Oct 8, 2017, 12:03pm Top

>140 ChelleBearss: We had fun umbrella-hiking, Chelle. It's coming down harder now, but we're back and dry and having some coffee (me, anyway). I plan to post a couple of pics in a bit.

American Airlines warned us about Hurricane Nate and our flight back tomorrow, so we're monitoring to see whether we're going to have to adjust. Our hosts are fine with our staying longer if need be, bless 'em.

>141 EBT1002: I recently read about the uphill battle to bring sanitary practices to medical practice and hospitals in Dr. Mutter's Marvels, too, Ellen. In hindsight the resistance is incomprehensible. Enormous egos, doctors set in their ways, skepticism about claims of dramatic results, and so on. But the success had already been proven across the pond. These reports are like watching a car wreck that so easily could be avoided.

Thanks re the pics and the trimness! The new health regime seems to be working. My blood pressure is back to normal (I'd never had a problem before - use of Nyquil seems to have caused the change, a problem Debbi also experienced). Everything else seems to be lining up much better. Here's to many hikes ahead!

>142 scaifea: Thanks, Amber! We are indeed. After hiking in the national park this morning, we're going to head over to Debbi's other brother's place shortly, and kick back and watch the Red Sox game. We're supposed to head back to Chicago tomorrow, but Hurricane Nate may have other plans. We'll see.

146jnwelch
Edited: Oct 8, 2017, 12:08pm Top







Rainy day hiking in Great Smoky Mountains national park

147Familyhistorian
Oct 8, 2017, 5:48pm Top

Looks like you are having great, if wet, hikes, Joe. I hope Nate doesn't interfer with your travels or mine but I think it will be very downgraded by the time I fly in to Toronto tomorrow.

148PaulCranswick
Oct 8, 2017, 5:54pm Top

Thanks for the photos Joe - always nice to see you and Debbi even when it is soggy underfoot.

149jnwelch
Oct 8, 2017, 8:16pm Top

>147 Familyhistorian: I think they're still talking here about the crazy Chicagoans who went hiking with umbrellas, Meg. We had a blast!

So far Nate seems much less disruptive than his predecessors. We're getting a lot of rain here, but even that's supposed to be done by our flight time tomorrow. We'll see. I hope it's mostly fizzled out and creates no problems in Toronto.

>148 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul. We've been having fun among the sogginess. It actually made for a beautiful hike. We picked up on subtle clues and figured out we weren't in Chicago any more. It's weird, though - we can't seem to find any skyscrapers here.

150PaulCranswick
Oct 8, 2017, 8:19pm Top

151Caroline_McElwee
Edited: Oct 8, 2017, 9:43pm Top

Loving the photos of you and Debbi, especially the wellies and brolly ones.

I too have read the early Ishiguro, but not the middle to later work. Buried Giant is near the top of one of the tbr mountains, so may get read soonish Joe.

152msf59
Oct 8, 2017, 9:44pm Top

>131 jnwelch: >146 jnwelch: Love the hiking photos, Joe! Glad you guys braved the elements today, to get one more hike in. Such a beautiful place.

I am off tomorrow, so I plan on finally visiting Montrose Point Bird Sanctuary, near Montrose Beach, early tomorrow morning. If you were in town, I would have you meet me there. Supposed to be a stellar location for migrating birds.

Have a safe trip home tomorrow.

153richardderus
Oct 8, 2017, 9:50pm Top

Oh, Dr. Mutter's Marvels! What a weird thing to imagine the resistance to hygiene is. And how unspeakable and harrowing medical treatment once was. No wonder so many died in preference to being "cured" by surgery.

154scaifea
Oct 9, 2017, 6:56am Top

Fantastic photos, Joe! Fingers crossed that the homeward travel goes as planned today.

155jnwelch
Oct 9, 2017, 8:24am Top

>151 Caroline_McElwee:. Ha! Debbi and I both enjoyed your wellies and brolly comment, Caroline. One of the best hikes ever.

The most recent one of his that I’ve read is Never Let Me Go, which I liked, but thought had a major conceptual flaw. I’ve been holding off on Buried Giant due to mixed reactions, so I’ll look forward to your thoughts.

>152 msf59:. Oh man, I wish we were there for your Montrose Beach birding, Mark. Keith Taylor goes to the dog park there with Blanche, so keep an eye out!

Enjoy the day off, buddy.

156jnwelch
Edited: Oct 9, 2017, 8:36am Top

>153 richardderus:. Ain’t that the truth, Richard.

And it turns out patients like Garfield might well have been better off without the unhygienic medical “help”.

Whenever I think about time travel back to an earlier time, it’s the primitive healthcare that really gives me pause. Well, that and the fact that I don’t actually have a time machine.

>154 scaifea:. Thanks, Amber. What a fun trip it’s been. (I hope I don’t offend people by contracting “it has” like we do in conversation). All signs are positive for the trip home being unaffected by Nate and on time.

We’re particularly glad because we’ve got another trip, to DC, this month, and we’d like to spend some more time at home!

157scaifea
Oct 9, 2017, 8:45am Top

>156 jnwelch: What, what? How is "it's" for "it has" offensive? Maybe my brain is fuzzy from breathing in daywall fumes all weekend...

158ChelleBearss
Oct 9, 2017, 9:34am Top

Have a good trip home! Glad to see the storm isn't supposed to affect your travels!

Love the umbrella walk pictures!

159jnwelch
Oct 9, 2017, 9:50am Top

>157 scaifea:. Good! Maybe it isn’t. I use it a lot. In my mind, “it’s” is normally a contraction for “it is”, and I thought I might be aggravating some purists.

>158 ChelleBearss:. Thanks, Chelle! The umbrella walk, with wellies and brolly, was a pleasure. The trail followed the river, and there is something so calming about the sound of running water. Combined with the rain, we were feeling supremely mellow.

160richardderus
Oct 9, 2017, 10:58am Top

>156 jnwelch: "Well, that and the fact that I don’t actually have a time machine."

And you never will with that attitude, mister! :-)

161brodiew2
Oct 9, 2017, 12:02pm Top

Good morning, Joe! Great pictures of your trip. I enjoy hiking, but I don't nearly enough.

The Punch Escrow is in the house! I'm glad it came because I was sorry to have to stop when the Kindle sample ended. The Long Journey to Jake Palmer will have to wait or come along for the ride.

162mujel625
Oct 9, 2017, 4:18pm Top

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163weird_O
Oct 9, 2017, 8:29pm Top

Re: The unhygienic medical practices that killed President Garfield. Sunday's NYTimes had an article—front page of the sports section—about the increasing efforts to combat MRSA, that staph strain that's immune to antibiotics. Uniforms, pads, gloves, and other gear is routinely treated with ozone gas. Showers are absolutely mandatory, not only immediately following a game, but before entering weight rooms and treatment rooms. Not only professional teams, but college and more and more high schools.

164msf59
Oct 9, 2017, 8:33pm Top

Go Cubbies! Great win.

Hope you guys got home safely. Fantastic time at Montrose. It was a gorgeous day.

165scaifea
Oct 10, 2017, 6:23am Top

Morning, Joe! I hope it's been a good week so far (*snork*)!

Are you home now?

166jnwelch
Oct 10, 2017, 10:33am Top

>160 richardderus: :-) I'll work on that attitude, Richard. Plus I'm hoping they invent some kind of germ-keeper-outer whole body medical sealant right around the time they invent that time machine.

>161 brodiew2: Hiya, Brodie. We were saying we'd be hiking in that national park all the time if we lived in that area. So great. And the park is HUGE, much bigger than I realized.

Excellent news re Punch Escrow. It's next in line for me, but I've got The Snowman and Ninefox Gambit ahead of it for now. I'm glad you've had such a positive reaction so far.

167jnwelch
Edited: Oct 10, 2017, 10:47am Top

>163 weird_O: A dangerous staph infection that's "immune to antibiotics". There's a scary phrase for our times, Bill. We've been lucky that evolving infections haven't been more catastrophic so far, haven't we. MRSA is a nightmare. All the precautions you mention and more are worth it, but I also hope they figure out some effective way to fight it.

>164 msf59: Great Cubs win, Mark! What a sloppy, kooky game, but Quintana was great, and Davis when the time came.

Your Montrose adventure sounded like a beaut. The Chicago lakefront is amazing, isn't it. I hope we can join you for at least part of one of your outings there.

>165 scaifea: Ha! So far the week has been okay, Amber. :-)

Yeah, we're back safe, thanks. Sleeping in our own bed was wonderful. Now we need to get Madame MBH a Starbucks Chai. She loves them, and we couldn't fit one into the schedule down there - there aren't many Starbucks in the area, and they weren't close to where we were. Then we got to the airport, and the Knoxville airport Starbucks was out of chai. Arggh!

Off we go.

168streamsong
Oct 10, 2017, 10:46am Top

Hi Joe- I loved the photos of your hikes and the umbrellas. Umbrellas are uncommon here in Montana. I rarely see one in town and I've never seen one at all on a trail.

May I say is that if you meet a horse on a trail while you have an umbrella, be very very careful. Many horses are very spooked by them.

Thanks again for the warbling on The Hate U Give. That's the first book in a very long time that was unputdownable for me. In so many ways it reminded me of the recent Anthony Lamar Smith case.

169jnwelch
Edited: Oct 10, 2017, 1:48pm Top

>167 jnwelch: Thanks, Janet.

Isn't that odd about the umbrellas. Umbrellas seemed uncommon in Seattle, too, and I suspect the Pacific Northwest in general. I don't remember seeing many in Vancouver. A different perspective - we use them all the time in Chicago. In fact, the hard part here is keeping them from breaking in high winds. I used to work down by the Sears (now Willis) Tower, and on rainy days the public trash container at the intersection of Franklin and Jackson was often filled with broken umbrellas. (For many years I've invested extra money in "wind-resistant" ones - they're not actually resistant, in my mind, but their strong metal supports bend and pops back, so you can keep on trucking).

There weren't any horses on the trails where we were, but that's interesting to hear. We never used an umbrella hiking in Montana (Glacier and Yellowstone), and that may be one reason why. One of my bride's favorite memories was our coming across two obviously very experienced female cowboys (what do we call them, anyway? Cowgirls doesn't seem right, but maybe it is). (Ranch hands?) Anyway, they were tough and cool, and on a rainy day we didn't have umbrellas, so we didn't spook their horses, and had a good talk with them.

We were mostly worried about running into bears in the Smoky Mountains national park, which are prolific in the Gatlinburg area. Don't run, stand still, and slowly back away if approached.

I'm so glad you enjoyed The Hate U Give as much as I did! Right off the front pages, isn't it. So well done. Such an insider's view of a critical problem in our lives. Such a pageturner.

170EBT1002
Oct 10, 2017, 12:59pm Top

>146 jnwelch: It looks beautiful! I do love those mountains.
But, um, real hikers don't carry umbrellas. Just sayin'. xo

In the Pacific Northwest, some people carry an umbrella everywhere and some of us almost never carry one. Good raincoats. That is the ticket.

171jnwelch
Oct 10, 2017, 1:54pm Top

>170 EBT1002: Hi, Ellen. Although I've hiked a ton in my life, I won't ever claim to be a "real hiker". I like not having limits. I can't tell you how many times in my life I've been told "you can't do it that way." Sure you can! (Right after, sez who?) :-)

Yeah, we were even told about that (umbrellas seldom used) in Seattle. Personally, I'm fond of brollies. We didn't pack ponchos for rainy hikes (this was mainly a family visit), so these made the day.

172jnwelch
Edited: Oct 10, 2017, 2:09pm Top



Street art

173Caroline_McElwee
Oct 10, 2017, 2:26pm Top

>172 jnwelch: oooh, I love that.

Glad you are home safe and sound.

It doesn’t matter how much you love where you have been, there’s nothing like sinking down between the sheets of your own bed, is there Joe? I hope Madam MBH got her Chai.

174charl08
Oct 10, 2017, 2:28pm Top

Love that Joe!

Keep plugging away on that time machine. More time for reading would be much appreciated...

175jessibud2
Oct 10, 2017, 2:35pm Top

>172 jnwelch: - Love it!

176benitastrnad
Edited: Oct 10, 2017, 7:37pm Top

I will be interested to hear what you think of Jo Nesbo. I quit reading him after the fourth book.

I am about half done with Nine-Fox Gambit and am liking it. It was like Ancillary Justice in that it takes some getting used to, but I love the plot. I confess I am still confused about the moths and the fortresses etc., etc., but I like the story. I think there is a sequel.

Yes. I just checked Amazon and the sequel is Raven Stratagem. It was published in June of 2017. I guess I will have to look for that book, or buy it. It appears that there is going to be a series of books based on that world.

177msf59
Oct 10, 2017, 8:48pm Top

Hi, Joe! Late check in. It looks like we have to wait until tomorrow, to watch game 4. It looks pretty wet out there. Good call.

I know you like a good historical novel, now and then, so I will give an early warble about Manhattan Beach. She is a heck of a writer. I have a long way to go, but I think this one, is going to be special.

178LovingLit
Oct 11, 2017, 4:25am Top

>78 jnwelch: There are two more Lisbeth Salander books now, by Lagercrantz.
And wouldn't you know it, now that I know it, I see the books in not one but in two bookshops! ;)

>146 jnwelch: I love walking in the bush, and even in the rain! Great pics.

179scaifea
Oct 11, 2017, 6:29am Top

Morning, Joe! It's nice and chilly out there - it's finally fall! I may even wear a sweater today! Woot!!

180jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 8:42am Top

>173 Caroline_McElwee: Isn't >172 jnwelch: cool, Caroline. I'd love to have a door painted like that.

You're right about sinking into one's own sheets and bed. We also have a big bed, and the last two trips we've stayed with relatives in smaller ones. This is much better.

Ha! Madame MBH did get her chai. In fact, she used a free drink reward and got the biggest they had!

>174 charl08: Thanks, Charlotte. Glad you like that.

I'll keep working on the time machine. I hadn't thought of the Hermione benefit - what did JKR call it, a Time Turner? Something like that. More time for reading. Excellent idea.

181jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 8:49am Top

>175 jessibud2: Ha! Right, Shelley? I want a RL one now.

>176 benitastrnad: Hi, Benita. I'm near the end of The Snowman and it's been fine. I don't feel compelled to go out and snarf down the rest, but I also wouldn't mind reading another as a vacation read. (After being put in timeout by Mamie and Amber for reading this one out of order, I'll go to The Redbreast. It's interesting that you made it through four and then called it a day.

Ninefox Gambit is tough conceptually for me, too. I have trouble understanding the moths and the calendrical underpinnings, and probably others I'm not thinking of. Ancillary Justice was actually easier for me in that sense than this one, but I for sure see why you'd compare it. I'm about halfway through, too. I do like Kel Cheris and Judao a lot, and their sparring/cooperating is pulling me through.

182jnwelch
Edited: Oct 11, 2017, 8:56am Top

>177 msf59: Hiya, Mark. Yeah, it was a good call to move the game over to today. I was surprised - usually they try to give it a go, but I guess the predictions left it unlikely they could reasonably expect to get the game completed.

I know Jennifer Egan has a lot of fans. I'll enjoy following along with you on Manhattan Beach.

>178 LovingLit: Yeah, even the subpar second Lagencrantz Lisbeth Salander is on our bestseller lists here, Megan. I can imagine you're seeing both of his in your stores.

We had such a good time walking in the bush (love that phrase) in the rain. Being right by the running water and having all of it to ourselves was a great feeling.

183jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 9:00am Top

>179 scaifea: Ha! Madame MBH will join your Woot!, I'm sure, Amber. She loves sweater weather, too. This morning we start out in workout gear, but then we can switch over. I like the cooler weather, too. For me, it means I can wear hoodies, the most comfortable clothing ever made. If they made a hoodie onesie for grups, I might aim to start a new fashion craze.

184scaifea
Edited: Oct 11, 2017, 9:04am Top

>183 jnwelch: You're in luck:



185Crazymamie
Oct 11, 2017, 9:41am Top

>184 scaifea: This made me laugh! As it is going to 93F here today, I'll take a pass.

Morning, Joe! Glad you liked The Snowman enough to consider maybe someday going back to The Redbreast. Funny thing is that The Redbreast is actually book three in the series, but it is where they started with the English translations. SO, those of us who picked up the series early started there and went forward - they just translated books one and two a few years ago, but they are not nearly as good as The Redbreast, and I recommend them only to completists.

186msf59
Oct 11, 2017, 11:23am Top

Morning, Joe. Still a light rain falling. Hoping for it to clear up, for the rest of my work day.

Looking forward to this Cubs game. Hope they can lock it down today.

Another Redbreast fan here. Excellent crime novel.

187Caroline_McElwee
Oct 11, 2017, 1:22pm Top

>181 jnwelch: I’ve not read any Nesbo yet Joe, but think I have read one on Kindle. I notice they have just released a film of The Snowman. As I like Michael Fassbender, I may go and see it when I’m back in London.

188charl08
Oct 11, 2017, 1:44pm Top

As if any additional voice was needed following Mark's encouragement, I second his vote for Manhattan Beach. Really good reading.

>187 Caroline_McElwee: Did someone say Fassbender? :-)

189jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 2:00pm Top

>184 scaifea: Ha! Those are lovely, Amber. Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but is there any way to get hoods on them? I don't feel like they convey the whole elegant hoodie look without that.

>185 Crazymamie: Made me laugh, too, Mamie. Those lovely onesies in >184 scaifea: might be a bit toasty for 93F, I can see that.

Thanks for the Nesbo lowdown. Mark loved The Redbreast, too, so that's where I'll go next when the time comes.

190jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 2:04pm Top

>186 msf59: Hiya, Mark. The rain stopped here; I hope it did out your way, too. And that it holds off for the Cubs game!

It sure would feel good to get by the Nats, wouldn't it. They're ones I worried about in all this.

Thanks for letting me know your reaction to The Redbreast. I'll go to that one when the mood strikes.

>187 Caroline_McElwee: I heard that there was a movie of The Snowman out? coming out? I'm a Michael Fassbender fan, too. I wonder how they'll handle some of the nastier graphic parts.

191jnwelch
Edited: Oct 11, 2017, 2:08pm Top

>188 charl08: Thanks for the added nudge for Manhattan Beach, Charlotte. I'll add it to the WL.

My tbr has spilled over to our dining room table. Always a sign that I need to read more and acquire less. Plus I've got one ER book I've neglected. Time to buckle down and get some pages flying!

We probably need a Fassbender photo, don't you think?



No thanks necessary. :-)

192scaifea
Oct 11, 2017, 2:14pm Top

>189 jnwelch: Oh, look again, Joe - there *are* hoods on those (hence "hoodies"). Clearly you need to look that gift horse a little more closely in the mouth...

193Caroline_McElwee
Oct 11, 2017, 2:51pm Top

>188 charl08: >191 jnwelch: ooh, thank you Joe. He’s just my cup of tea. Though it always seems odd hearing him speak in his soft Irish burr, as he rarely does in his films.

194brodiew2
Oct 11, 2017, 2:57pm Top

Good morning, Joe! I hope all is well with you. I wish you the best in getting reading done.

>184 scaifea: I've never considered a onesie before, but those look super comfy and, yes, fashionable. :-)

>191 jnwelch: Fassbender because you can. :-)

195NarratorLady
Edited: Oct 11, 2017, 3:45pm Top

I narrated one of the stories from A Visit to the Goon Squad and it's with me still. Must get around to reading the whole book!

But I do intend to read Manhattan Beach and just got tickets to Jennifer Egan's appearance here in Brookline, MA on 11/2. In booking it I discovered that she has a talk TONIGHT at Women and Children First in Chicago at 7 PM. Great chance to listen to a superb writer.

196jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 3:46pm Top

>192 scaifea: Huh. Those look like high collars rather than hoods to me, Amber. I'll have to try one on and walk around the neighborhood to get the full effect. They're going to be so envious!

>193 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! You're welcome, Caroline. I've heard that soft Irish burr in some interview. He should use it more often.

197jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 3:53pm Top

>194 brodiew2: Hee hee. Fassbender because you can. I like that, Brodie.

Maybe you and I can get this hoodsie/onesie fashion trend going. "Like wearing pajamas all day, only better." :-)

>195 NarratorLady: I haven't read A Visit to the Goon Squad at all, Anne, so you're a story ahead of me. I take you liked it? So cool that you narrate so many good ones.

Oh my. We love Women and Children First bookstore (it may be the best independent store in town). It would be great to see Jennifer Egan there, I'm sure, even if I haven't read anything by her. Unfortunately, we're very much in stay-at-home mode today. Plus we have a Steppenwolf play tomorrow night and a Bulls basketball game the next.

I'll look forward to your report on your Egan outing.

198jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 4:03pm Top

I've been reading Tom Gauld's new one, Baking with Kafka, and this one cracked me up. (As have others!)

199EBT1002
Oct 11, 2017, 4:05pm Top

"...sez who?" I like your attitude, Joe!

I've read the first four in the Harry Hole series and I seem to have lost interest. The Redbreast is number three and I gave it 4.5 stars while the others tended to get 3 or 3.5. Anyway, it's a fun series but it fell down on my priority list in the past couple of years.

200EBT1002
Oct 11, 2017, 4:06pm Top

>198 jnwelch: Love it.
I need to obtain a copy of Baking With Kafka.

201jnwelch
Oct 11, 2017, 4:42pm Top

>199 EBT1002: You know, Benita stopped after four Harry Hole mysteries, too, Ellen. Hmm. Well, at least I have The Redbreast on my radar.

>200 EBT1002: Isn't >198 jnwelch: a crack-up? I love his You're All Just Jealous of My Jetpack, and so far Baking with Kafka is just as good. (Even the title gets me!)

202NarratorLady
Edited: Oct 11, 2017, 4:49pm Top

>197 jnwelch: It sounds like the Welches could use a night off! I was toying with the idea of a play this weekend but our daughter called and we've signed up for a babysitting gig instead. Not exactly a hardship.

Jennifer Egan's bio mentions that she dated Steve Jobs in college and he installed a Mackintosh computer in her dorm room. Already I'm intrigued.

I've narrated a couple of "Best Short Stories" anthologies for NLS and have been introduced to many great writers that way. ( I'm not really a short story fan; I do it for the money😉!)

I just finished Blankets! Thanks so much for the recommendation. It was terrific. Now I've got to get my hands on Baking with Kafka.

203Caroline_McElwee
Oct 11, 2017, 4:56pm Top

> haha, love it. I haven’t dipped much into graphic novels, though have three in the tbr mountain. This looks fun, you may have hit me with a bullet Joe.

204richardderus
Oct 11, 2017, 5:20pm Top

>163 weird_O:, >167 jnwelch: I had a 21-day hospitalization for MRSA infection in 2002. I got it from, ironically, the local water in Austin entering a gouty tophus via a small fistula I hadn't noticed. (It hurt so much anyway that I gave it little thought.) IV Cipro for 21 days! I LIVED on yogurt for a couple years. Still have digestive problems. Also still have the foot thanks to Cipro.

So so grateful to have lucked into good doctoring.

205karenmarie
Oct 11, 2017, 6:09pm Top

Hi Joe!

I have 10 of the 11 Harry Hole series by Jo Nesbo. I read #7 The Snowman first, loved it. Read #1 The Bat second, liked it. Read #2 Cockroaches third, hated it. I don't know when I'll get back to the series, if at all.

206EBT1002
Oct 11, 2017, 6:34pm Top

>202 NarratorLady: Oh, I loved Blankets. What a great graphic memoir.

207PaulCranswick
Oct 11, 2017, 11:10pm Top

I see that you read Words Under the Words last month by Naomi Shihab Nye and I am onto it myself now. She has a very interesting way of viewing the world don't you think. Some of her snapshots of life are quite moving.

208msf59
Oct 12, 2017, 7:03am Top

>198 jnwelch: LIKE!! I want to get my mitts on the new Gauld. (I have not picked up a GN in over 2 weeks. Bad Mark?)

Morning, Joe! Sweet Thursday. Hope the Cubs can fire up the bats tonight. We NEED it. Glad Hendricks will be on the mound.

209scaifea
Oct 12, 2017, 7:53am Top

Morning, Joe!

210jnwelch
Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 12:10pm Top

>202 NarratorLady: We're looking forward to some day getting some of those grandbaby-sitting gigs, Anne; not exactly a hardship sounds right.

That Steve Jobs connection is intriguing. He's got a rep as having been a difficult fellow, so it would be interesting to hear about that side of him and Jennifer Egan's relationship with him.

I'm not really much of a short story fan either, but getting paid to narrate, and be introduced to, great authors, sure sounds good to me. It's funny, the two books I just recommended for LT's "underappreciated books" question on Facebook were short story collections - Sum: Forty Tales from the Afterlives and The Frozen Thames.

Oh, I'm so glad you enjoyed Blankets! Isn't that a terrific one? Baking with Kafka is a blast; I'll try to post another one from it later.

211jnwelch
Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 12:11pm Top

>203 Caroline_McElwee: Give Baking with Kafka a go, Caroline; I think you'll get a big kick out of it.

Isn't he (Gauld) published in the Guardian sometimes?

>204 richardderus: Woo, that sounds properly horrible, Richard. You poor guy. Thank goodness you had the good doctoring and the CIPRO worked, and you were able to save the foot. That's serious and scary stuff.

>205 karenmarie: Hi, Karen!

Sounds like the Nesbo series is uneven; I'll steer clear of Cockroaches!

212jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 11:56am Top

>206 EBT1002: Right, Ellen? Blankets is a classic. He's due to put out a new one soon; unfortunately, I thought Habibi was a big disappointment.

>207 PaulCranswick: I'm glad you're reading Words Under the Words, Paul. I agree, some of her snapshots are quite moving. I enjoyed revisiting her "Kindness" poem on your thread.

As I mentioned to Mark, if you end up motivated to read more, her 19 Varieties of Gazelle is really good, too.

213jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 11:59am Top

>208 msf59: You'll love the new Gauld, Mark. I remember how much you enjoyed You're All Just Jealous of My Jetpack (me, too!).

Yes, I'd have to say that, from a fair and objective viewpoint, you're a bad Mark for not having read a GN in the last two weeks. If you were in a coma during that time, I could better understand it.

Sorry about them Cubs. One more for all the marbles - or, at least, moving on.

>209 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

We took a long walk and caught up on the phone with some relatives, so I'm getting to the cafe a bit later than usual today. Hope your day is going well.

214brodiew2
Oct 12, 2017, 12:00pm Top

Good morning, Joe. I hope all is well.

I got a nice chunk of The Punch Escrow read last night. It is a fascinating story. It is sf thriller at its best.

Also finished The Magician's Nephew on Tuesday and started Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. I continue to enjoy reading to the kids.

215jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 12:08pm Top

>214 brodiew2: Good morning, Brodie. So far, so good. I hope your day is starting off well.

Great to hear about The Punch Escrow. I finished The Snowman, so I'll be able to start it now.

Oh my, The Magician's Nephew was the first book I ever read in the Narnia series. I was at a tedious party at some relatives' home as a kid and magically (!) found a little room filled with books and a comfortable chair. Off I went into that wonderful other world.

Good for you for reading to the kids! Nothing better. They'll always remember it, too. I remember Chitty Chitty Bang Bang as a fun one.

216jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 12:08pm Top

217brodiew2
Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 12:17pm Top

>216 jnwelch: Hmmm... I wonder what book she/he is looking for?

218jessibud2
Oct 12, 2017, 12:56pm Top

>214 brodiew2:, >215 jnwelch: - Reading to kids is really a joy. As a teacher of young kids, I read to my students every day. My students were all disabled in some way or another and most were non-readers, themselves, some also non-verbal. I read, and re-read and more often than not, we'd then *act out* the stories. I had a dress-up box, and a box filled with puppets of all shapes and sizes. We used special recording/voice feedback devices so the kids who were verbal could say the lines and the non-verbal kids just hit the button when it was their turn to say their lines. There are no barriers when it comes to engaging kids in literature and it was always our favourite time of day in our classroom.

I also remember being read to as a child and that's probably a big reason why I love audiobooks so much today; it's like having someone read to me every day, all over again (just not before bed...;-)

219jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 1:21pm Top

>217 brodiew2: Good question, Brodie. I'd probably shelve Moby-Dick there. But then my English prof BIL might shoot me.

>218 jessibud2: Oh, good for you, Shelley. That sounds like such a great experience for the students. And I'm sure a lot of planning and work went into making it relatively smooth for them. There are no barriers when it comes to engaging kids in literature and it was always our favourite time of day in our classroom. I love that.

Our daughter teaches pre-k (non-disabled), and reads to them a lot, too. When she was a wee lass we read a lot together, one of her favorites being the Nancy Drew books.

220richardderus
Oct 12, 2017, 2:37pm Top

>219 jnwelch: Moby-Dick is a brilliant, ahead-of-its-time work of enduring lit'ry merit. Unlike the tedious remarks of, say, one Chuckles.

221charl08
Oct 12, 2017, 2:56pm Top

>216 jnwelch: And the temptation to make comments like that is why I could never work in a bookshop...

222jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 3:03pm Top

>220 richardderus: I'll have to introduce to my brother-in-law, Richard. I sure learned a lot about whales, reading Moby-Dick. Was there something else you liked about it? :-)

Oh man, I'd much rather be holed up with a Chuckles Dickens book than endless, tedious whale minutiae.

>221 charl08: Ha! Both my wife and I did work in a bookshop, Charlotte. But we managed (at least I did) from making comments like the one in >216 jnwelch:. I don't remember ever getting down on someone for their reading choice; I was happy they were reading and buying books!

223FAMeulstee
Oct 12, 2017, 3:35pm Top

>222 jnwelch: I so much prefer Moby Dick over anything Charles Dickens wrote! :-)

224jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 3:44pm Top

>223 FAMeulstee: This will make Richard happy, Anita. I'm the opposite, as you can tell. But I was happy to sell Moby Dick back in the day, and I admire folks who have the reaction to it that you do.

(I'd rather watch paint dry than read it again!)

225richardderus
Oct 12, 2017, 4:02pm Top

>223 FAMeulstee: Soul sister!

>224 jnwelch: I can empathize...I'll be dead a decade before I open A Tale of Two Cities ever again. That noodle Sydney Carton!

226Caroline_McElwee
Oct 12, 2017, 4:03pm Top

>211 jnwelch: you are right Joe, and I’m sure I have one of his pieces on my cork-board.

227jnwelch
Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 4:12pm Top

>225 richardderus: We're actually on common ground with A Tale of Two Cities, RD. I'm not going near that one again either. Gimme The Scarlet Pimpernel instead, please.

>226 Caroline_McElwee: Ah, good, Caroline. Another one for your enjoyment:

228Caroline_McElwee
Oct 12, 2017, 4:24pm Top

Yup, that’s the one I have Joe, certainly made me chortle.

229jessibud2
Oct 12, 2017, 4:41pm Top

>227 jnwelch: - Love this one, in particular! LOL

I have seen >216 jnwelch: before. I worked in a bookstore, as well, and yes, I did manage to keep my snark to myself....;-)

230jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 4:42pm Top

>228 Caroline_McElwee: Wow! Psychic chortling across the pond. Amazing.

I was just thinking, Gauld's a bit of a mix of the literate wit of Kate Beaton and the quirky graphic storytelling of author/artist Jason. Here's an example of Jason's work, from Athos in America:



His love for books sure hits the mark with us, doesn't it.

231jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 4:46pm Top

Doesn't >227 jnwelch: strike home with us, Shelley?

A fellow bookstore employee, I love it. Yeah, snark about customers had to be saved for sequestered discussion with the other employees, right? :-)

Some of the best times of my life back then. That's a tough way to generate enough money for a family, though - too tough for me.

232richardderus
Oct 12, 2017, 5:07pm Top

>227 jnwelch: Oh my yes, The Scarlet Pimpernel first. Yes.

And my library has way too many of the grey spines. *sigh*

233jessibud2
Edited: Oct 12, 2017, 5:40pm Top

>231 jnwelch: - My favourite snark-inducing comment ran along the lines of: "Um, I'm looking for a book. I don't remember the author or the title but it has a red cover...." ;-)

We practically invented a game (in the back room) to see which staff member could get the most *correct* such requests solved...(this was back in the day, long before computers and google. We had those giant tomes of Books In Print....)

We also had a manager once who had no sense of humour. Once, after I had just finished reshelving books and dusting the shelves, I jokingly commented (the store was empty at the time), "Doesn't this aisle look great? Now, if we can just keep the customers away for 10 minutes..." If looks could kill... Sheesh.

The rest of the staff was great, though and I enjoyed my time there. It was only a part-time job for me, while I tutored and substitute-taught, prior to getting a teaching contract. Yes, it sure is a pity that working in a bookstore doesn't pay more...

As for that comic in >227 jnwelch:, the only thing missing are the piles on the floor..... just saying...;-)

234Familyhistorian
Oct 12, 2017, 6:22pm Top

>169 jnwelch: What no umbrellas in Vancouver? You must have been with a bunch of tourists, Joe. Most Vancouverites have an umbrella with them at all times and use them so you have deuling umbrellas going down the sidewalks ( well, unless it is just drizzly, then umbrellas are optional.)

235jnwelch
Oct 12, 2017, 6:51pm Top

We've got to run off to a play, but I wanted to give a quick partial response to Shelley in >233 jessibud2:. We had the same customers looking for books whose title and author they didn't know, but the covers were blue, not red. It's apparently a common enough experience that some stores have done displays based on that, like this one:



I actually think this one was in a library, so librarians must have the same wonderful experience.

We used to go through 20 questions with this kind of customer, hoping to get some kind of information beyond the color of the cover!

236msf59
Oct 12, 2017, 6:55pm Top

>213 jnwelch: " If you were in a coma during that time, I could better understand it." LOL. As far as i know I was conscious the whole time, but I better check with Sue.

>216 jnwelch: LIKE! I bet that is RD running the desk there. Grins...

237msf59
Oct 12, 2017, 6:58pm Top

Well, I hope the Cubs are ready to do battle tonight. The Nats are a very tough team but if we can get some timely hitting, with Hendricks on the mound, we could pull it off.

I think you would enjoy Sourdough. Light, breezy and fun. He is an engaging writer, although he doesn't go very deep.

238jessibud2
Oct 12, 2017, 7:01pm Top

>235 jnwelch: - Bwahahaha! I wish we had thought of that! Brilliant! :D)

239PaulCranswick
Oct 12, 2017, 7:04pm Top

>235 jnwelch: That sort of thing is starting to affect me too, Joe. I used to be a dab hand at knowing exactly where all my books were and what they look like but the sheer weight of numbers is starting to confuse me!

240Caroline_McElwee
Oct 12, 2017, 7:34pm Top

>235 jnwelch: tee hee. But don’t you do that at home sometimes, when you are looking for a book bought some time ago, and you are sure it had a yellow cover, you can see it in your minds eye...and it was green.

I hate getting to a bookstore and not remembering the name of the author or title. I wander round and round in hopes of spotting it on the display tables. Sometimes I do.

241scaifea
Oct 13, 2017, 6:29am Top

Morning, Joe!

242msf59
Edited: Oct 13, 2017, 6:59am Top



^That was one crazy game, right, Joe? And utterly exhausting. I will be draggin' a bit today. Now, we get to go through it all again with the Dodgers...

Happy Friday, my friend.

243ChelleBearss
Oct 13, 2017, 7:09am Top

>227 jnwelch: Sounds about right!

Congrats on your cubs moving on! :)

244jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 8:18am Top

>232 richardderus: Odd's fish, it's good to see a fellow Pimpernel fan, RD. Sink me if it isn't.

>233 jessibud2: I know, so much easier to keep the store looking sharp, Shelley, when you don't have customers messing it up.

Seems like a sense of humor should be required for any manager. Your joke would've gone over well in our store (I was the manager).

Great part-time job to have while you wuz learnin'. You're right, in real life >227 jnwelch: would need more piles of books on the floor.

A red cover/blue cover response in >235 jnwelch:.

245jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 8:26am Top

>234 Familyhistorian: Ha! I probably was with a bunch of tourists, Meg, or maybe it was drizzly. I'm glad to hear umbrellas are welcome and expected in Vancouver. Seattle must be in a completely different country. :-)

>236 msf59: Hey, Mark! What a Happy Friday, eh?

I'll bet Sue was as shocked as I was that you weren't reading GNs for those two weeks. If it wasn't a coma, it must've been some kind of paranormal event.

RD working the library help desk! I can just imagine him gently explaining how unwise, yet understandable, the particular book choice is . . . Duck and cover, patrons, duck and cover.

246jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 8:37am Top

>237 msf59: What a crazy game that was, Mark. The Nats and their fans are probably kicking themselves for the mistakes they made. Werth looking at his empty glove was really something. The Cubs were pretty great on D in that high-scoring game - I loved that Baez throw to the plate and Contreras tag.

>238 jessibud2: Isn't that brilliant in >235 jnwelch:, Shelley? I wish we'd thought of it, too.

Somewhere we have a fun book called Weird Things Customers Say in Bookstores. Like, "My daughter loved that film. Are they going to make it into a book?" Which actually isn't that weird now.

247karenmarie
Oct 13, 2017, 8:40am Top

Good morning, Joe and happy Friday to you!

>216 jnwelch: reminded me of this cartoon by James Thurber:



So, should I, or should I not, attempt Moby Dick? There's a great little movie called Matilda based on the book by Roald Dahl, and when Matilda reads out loud "Call me Ishmael", it always gives me a thrill.

248jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 8:42am Top

>239 PaulCranswick: You know it's getting bad, Paul, when you're looking through your own books and saying, "I can't remember what it was about, but I know I liked it and it had a blue cover . . ."

>240 Caroline_McElwee: Ha! I know Paul has that happen, Caroline (see >239 PaulCranswick:). You're right, though. I know I've remembered a book we own as looking one way, and then finding it doesn't look like that at all.

249jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 8:45am Top

>241 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

>242 msf59: Happy Friday, buddy! That was some game. I wondered whether it was going to go into extra innings. Woo. Good job, Wade Davis.

Yeah, Debbi was saying, a lot of folks are going to be dragging their feet today. That was a long one, and what a nailbiter.

250jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 8:52am Top

>243 ChelleBearss: Thanks re the Cubs win, Chelle!

Doesn't that look about right in >227 jnwelch:? Except we don't hang onto the "wish I hadn't read" - we get them out the door for sale or donation.

>247 karenmarie: Love that Thurber cartoon, Karen! Thanks for posting it.

Moby Dick - I think any serious reader has to read it. In my review way back when, I said I figured that, in order to get into the celestial library, I had to be able to truthfully tell the librarian I had read it.

And you might even like it! It seems so improbable, but people actually do. Whale fanciers, I expect. Or English profs. Or RD and Anita.

251richardderus
Oct 13, 2017, 11:11am Top

>236 msf59:, >245 jnwelch: Heh. Guilty as charged. "Oh, you *want* to read Great Cuckspecktashyuns? Has electroconvulsive therapy rendered you unable to manage your affairs? No? May I see a statement from a mental health professional to that effect, and a notarized document from legal authorities that you are not in a custodial state? Of course you can get it free on the internet! An excellent notion. We have free wi-fi."

252benitastrnad
Oct 13, 2017, 4:43pm Top

#225
I loved Tale of Two Cities. Twas a far far better book than anything else Chuckles has written!

My excuse for loving it - my teacher read it aloud to my class. We were in Fourth Grade.

253m.belljackson
Edited: Oct 13, 2017, 4:47pm Top

>247 karenmarie:

YES! on Moby-Dick from one LT fan who owns:

1. A regular old DOVER copy with folded over corners galore

2. the Rockwell Kent illustrated hardcover - this IS the one to read first!

3. Why Read Moby-Dick? by Nathaniel Philbrick (save for after Rockwell Kent)

4. the Pop-up Moby-Dick by Sam Ita (save for after)

5. a Moby-Dick t-shirt from the OUT OF PRINT catalogue

All this from a Vegetarian Reader who simply skipped the more 'challenging' whale butchery
after the first reading - should be no problem for those who read murder mysteries -

254benitastrnad
Oct 13, 2017, 4:49pm Top

I ran across a book title that I think you would like to read since you were one of the readers of Dr. Mutter's Marvels and your remarks about medicine back in the day. The Butchering Art: Joseph Lister’s Quest to Transform the Grisly World of Victorian Medicine by Lindsey Fitzharris. It will be published by Scientific American this week. Here is the Publisher's Weekly review.

British science writer Fitzharris slices into medical history with this excellent biography of Joseph Lister, the 19th-century “hero of surgery.” Lister championed the destruction of microorganisms in surgical wounds, thus preventing deadly postoperative infections. This was a radical approach inspired by French microbiologist and chemist Louis Pasteur’s discovery of bacteria. Lister, whose Quaker father introduced him to the wonders of the microscope, became an evangelist for the germ theory of disease and the sterilization of both surgical instruments and doctors’ hands. The medical community resisted Lister’s procedures, but his successful treatment of Queen Victoria boosted his reputation and techniques—winning converts first in Scotland, then America, and finally London. “Lister’s methods transformed surgery from a butchering art to a modern science, one where newly tried and tested methodologies trumped hackneyed practices,” Fitzharris writes. She infuses her thoughtful and finely crafted examination of this revolution with the same sense of wonder and compassion Lister himself brought to his patients, colleagues, and students. “As he neared the end of his life, Lister expressed the desire that if his story was ever told, it would be done through his scientific achievements alone,” Fitzharris notes, respecting his wish and fulfilling it in the context of a remarkable life and time.

Scientific American, $27 (304p) ISBN 978-0-374-11729-0

255jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 5:38pm Top

>251 richardderus: I'm thinking the library will need a recovery tent for those with the temerity to approach your help desk, Richard. A chance to lie down after, maybe have some hot drinks and cookies. And then that free wi-fi.

>252 benitastrnad: I know The Tale of Two Cities is taught all the time, Benita (in part because of its relative brevity, I imagine), and some folks love it. It does have some great lines. (E.g., "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times . . . {etc.}"; “It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known"). But for me it combines preposterous coincidence (e.g. they look just like each other - really?), and too much overwrought emotion, even for a Dickens novel.

256jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 5:44pm Top

>253 m.belljackson: Nice! Thanks, Marianne. I like Nathaniel Philbrick's writing, and have been curious about his Why Read Moby Dick. If only it had been "Why Read Murakami", I would've given it a try.

Skipping large swatches of MD would certainly help, but probably wouldn't pass muster with the celestial librarian.

>254 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. Yes, that Joseph Lister book does sound like its right up my alley. I get PW, but hadn't seen that review yet. I assume Lister's the originator of the perennially popular Listerine products, too?

257jnwelch
Oct 13, 2017, 5:49pm Top



The title illustration from Tom Gauld's first book.

258katiekrug
Oct 13, 2017, 6:02pm Top

I was an entire thread behind, Joe, but have skimmed my way back. Love the cartoon in >257 jnwelch:...

Have a great weekend!

259richardderus
Oct 13, 2017, 6:09pm Top

260drneutron
Oct 13, 2017, 7:06pm Top

261benitastrnad
Oct 13, 2017, 9:46pm Top

The Lister biography was the featured book on “All Things Considered” this afternoon. The author was interviewed. Sounds like it might be a good biography.

262majleavy
Oct 14, 2017, 8:52am Top

>257 jnwelch: An accurate, image sadly. When I was at Cornell decades ago, Samuel Delaney spent a semester in residence there. I think I was the only non-engineer in his graduate seminar, and was horrified that none of the University's vaunted lit people were at any of his public lectures. Really a shameful display of mis-informed arrogance.

263scaifea
Oct 14, 2017, 9:21am Top

Morning, Joe!

Is Gauld the guy who does some of the covers for the Penguin Classics Deluxe editions? I need to check this out...

264jnwelch
Oct 14, 2017, 10:29am Top

>258 katiekrug: Way to go, Katie! I know it's tough to catch up after being gone. You got here just before a new thread.

>259 richardderus:, >260 drneutron: Right?!

265jnwelch
Oct 14, 2017, 10:39am Top

>261 benitastrnad: Thanks, Benita. Another good reason to get the Lister book on the WL.

>262 majleavy: Isn't that a shame, maj? Some of my most enjoyable reading over the years has been sci-fi. I'm glad you had that experiences with Samuel Delaney, even if the arrogant doofuses missed out. Any anecdotes or comments re Mr. Delaney?

266jnwelch
Edited: Oct 14, 2017, 11:52am Top

>263 scaifea: Morning, Amber!

My answer is "probably" re the Penguin Classic covers. He's done New Yorker covers, and having him do this makes sense to me. Please let me know what your investigation uncovers - I'd be curious as to which books, if he has.

267scaifea
Oct 14, 2017, 11:37am Top

>266 jnwelch: Yup. He did the cover illustrations for their version of The Three Musketeers.

268jnwelch
Edited: Oct 14, 2017, 11:51am Top



Thanks, Amber!

269jnwelch
Oct 14, 2017, 11:51am Top

The new cafe is open. See you there!

270majleavy
Oct 14, 2017, 4:44pm Top

>265 jnwelch: Strangely, no shareable anecdote comes to mind. Chip's a very sweet and mischievous guy - not to mention brilliant - and it was a pleasure hanging out with him. It pains me to admit that I fumbled the transition from worshipper to friend, and we didn't part on good terms.

271jnwelch
Oct 14, 2017, 4:47pm Top

>270 majleavy: Who knew his nickname was Chip, maj? Not me, anyway. You're lucky to have hung out with him, even if parting was kinda sour sorrow.

Wish I could say it was a pleasure hanging out with Neil Gaiman. Wouldn't that be great?

272majleavy
Oct 15, 2017, 1:23pm Top

>271 jnwelch: That would be great! I'm pretty sure I knew someone who met him, but that's as close as I've gotten.

273jnwelch
Oct 15, 2017, 1:38pm Top

>272 majleavy: The closest I've gotten is his books, darn it.

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