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1maeve_creagan First Message
Oct 15, 2006, 11:01pm Top

You need to read Guests of the Ayatollah so we can talk about Iranians, lol. No, seriously, it's something that bears thinking about, especially in view of present day world events. Look into it.

2cooroo First Message
Oct 15, 2006, 11:19pm Top

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3cooroo
Oct 15, 2006, 11:21pm Top

Oh, I'm sure it does. I'll read it when I get a chance - which I probably won't for ages.
You need to read More's Utopia. If you get it, you'll love it. If not, you'll join the many confused readers the world over who think he was the first communist. fat chance.

4perodicticus
Edited: Oct 16, 2006, 11:38am Top

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5maeve_creagan
Oct 16, 2006, 12:11pm Top

Who did More execute?

6perodicticus
Oct 16, 2006, 4:27pm Top

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7maeve_creagan
Oct 16, 2006, 5:46pm Top

Aha. Well I'm not sure trying to stave off the Protestant Revolt and all the bloody conflict it engendered is on par with laying waste to anyone who was (or wasn't, for that matter) in your way to political power.

8perodicticus
Oct 17, 2006, 5:16am Top

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9cooroo
Oct 25, 2006, 11:05pm Top

The mindset back in More's time was very different. Now adays some people don't have a problem with capital punnishment. That's basically how they thought of the execution of the protestants. They concidered them traitors. Queen Elizabeth certainly had the same opionion of Catholics later on. Hence the reason no one questions her bloody acts. It partly came with the times and the mindset.
I recomend reading Dr. Wegemer's Thomas More: A portait of Courage.

10bookishbunny
Edited: Oct 26, 2006, 8:49am Top

The Protestants killed a few people, too. For example, nuns were executed for refusing to take off their habits. It was a violent time with a lot of awful things done by both sides. I don't understand why people today still choose sides and point fingers.

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11perodicticus
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12Jargoneer
Oct 26, 2006, 9:34am Top

The nature of canonisation is farcical at best so I wouldn't worry about More being a saint.

More saw Protestantism as a threat to the social and political order, it just wasn't about religion. He believed that if the protestants would destroy everything, hence his strong arm tactics against them. What is odd is that his Utopia envisages (almost) complete religious tolerance.

I have heard the communist link to More before but that is not unusual. Most utopias, by their nature, tend to share certain ideas with communism or anarchism.

13cooroo
Edited: Oct 26, 2006, 10:45pm Top

I don't think it's odd that his Utopia contains religious tolerance. The book itself is about the faults of an utopia, and he easily could have envisioned religious tolerance as a problem.

Bookishbunny - I hear what you're saying. I think reading some of More's writings, especially when he was in the tower, such as his Dialogue of Conscience might shed some light. As jargoneer said, he was defending reason and justice in his world by his actions, and he died defending the truth. I think that, if nothing else, earns him canonization.

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