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Take It or Leave It Challenge - September 2018 - Page 1

75 Books Challenge for 2018

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1SqueakyChu
Edited: Aug 26, 2018, 9:49pm Top

For those new to this challenge: More info and monthly index can be found in post #1 of this thread or this TIOLI FAQS wiki.

Simple directions for posting to the wiki can be found at the bottom of each month's wiki page.


...logo by cyderry

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Your TIOLI challenge for September, 2018, is a simple one...

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Read a book with a one-word title which contains at least one double letter

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Rules:

1. No book with subtitles allowed!
2. "A Novel" is not a subtitle.
3. The double letter must be back-to-back...and not separated by other letters.

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Other Fun Stuff (not part of the TIOLI challenge):

1. The September 2018 TIOLI Meter - Optional page on which you may track your TIOLI reading. FYI: This is not meant to be competitive - only fun!
2. Morphidae's List of Previous TIOLI Challenges - You may use this reference (Do a control-F scan) to avoid repeating a previous challenge. If your idea is similar to a previous challenge, just make it unique by adding a new "twist" to it.
3. FAMeulstee's 2108 TIOLI Sweeplette Meter - Use this page if you want to complete a sweeplette (all of the challenges on only one wiki page).

2SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 5, 2018, 8:59pm Top

Wiki Index of Challenges:

Challenges #1-6
1. Read a book with a one-word title which contains at least one double letter - msg #1
2. Read a work by or about a deceased playwright - msg #3
3. Read a book you MUST read - msg #4
4. Read a book with the name of a railway station in the title - msg #5
5. Read a book with a 3 word title and there must be at least one person on the cover - msg #9 - post cover pictures here
6. Read a book with a definite article in the title, but not at the beginning - msg #10

Challenges #7-12
7. Read a book that won either a Hugo or James Tiptree, Jr. award - msg #11
8. Read a book that has a name in the title which also was a name in the title of a t.v series- msg #12
9. Read a book translated from a non-European language - msg #15
10. Read a book with a city pictured, diagrammed, or silhouetted on the cover - msg #17
11. Read a book with a full name (first name and family name) at the first page - msg #21
12. Read a book that has an epigraph that is a poem or part of a poem written before the 20th century - msg #23

Challenges #13-18
13. Read a book where the author's name includes an accent, prefix, hyphen, or macron etc - mag #37
14. Read a book where the main characters are children - msg #45
15. Read a book containing a common noun representing a person, but no pronouns or proper nouns - msg #46
16. Read a book with a weather term related to rain in the title (or an umbrella on the cover) - msg #51
17. Read a book which starts with an animal product which lets the animal alive - msg #58
18. Read a book with a celestial reference on Page 21 - msg #80

Hold your challenge until the October TIOLI challenges are posted. Thank you!

3Dejah_Thoris
Edited: Sep 1, 2018, 11:39pm Top

I don't think I've ever posted the second challenge....

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TIOLI Challenge #2 - Gone, But Not Forgotten: Read a work by or about a deceased playwright.
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Neil Simon died Saturday (8/26). He was tremendously talented writer of comedy who in his later life mined his own life for more introspective work that won him the Pulitzer Prize for Drama. In his honor, I challenge everyone to read a work by a playwright no longer with us or a biography about one.

I deliberately used the term ‘work’ - I know not everyone likes to read plays, so non-play work is perfectly acceptable. There are many authors better known for other types of work who wrote plays; Mikhail Bulgakov, Miguel de Cervantes, John Galsworthy, Graham Greene, James Joyce, Niccolo Machiavelli, W. Somerset Maugham, Emil Zola and Stefan Zweig are just a few.

Autobiographies / memoirs and biographies about a playwright will also work.

On the wiki, please mention what type of work you’re reading (play, novel, biography, etc.) and the year the playwright died.

ETA: And don't I feel silly. Carrie just added a novel by the author of the longest running play in London - Agatha Christie. How did I forget her?

ETA: Works by or about screenplay writers are also acceptable.

4lindapanzo
Edited: Aug 26, 2018, 11:57pm Top

Challenge #3: Read a Book You MUST Read

This is purely a self-serving challenge as I have a whole boatload of Early Reviewers books, Net Galley books, and even a First to Read book. I'd love to make a big dent in my pile of "must reads."

I leave it to you to define what is a must read but I would see something like a book you need to read for your book club as a must read.

5lyzard
Edited: Aug 27, 2018, 12:04am Top

Challenge #4: Read a book with the name of a railway station in the title

I will accept both place names and generic names (like 'Central'), but there must be an actual station of that name, not just a place with a station. It does not matter how small or obscure the station as long as you can prove it exists.

Note that the title word or words do not need to refer to an actual station! (Though of course it can.)

Please add the location of your station to the wiki.

6Dejah_Thoris
Aug 27, 2018, 12:05am Top

>5 lyzard:. I can’t believe it - I don’t even have to search for this one. There is a Crystal Palace Railway Station - and I’ll read Carols Dunn’s The Corpse at the Crystal Palace. I already have it checked out from the library....

7lyzard
Aug 27, 2018, 12:08am Top

>6 Dejah_Thoris:

Glad to be of service! - it makes me feel less self-serving. :)

8avatiakh
Aug 27, 2018, 1:32am Top

I just finished reading Less today and see it's already a shared read for September as well.

9DeltaQueen50
Edited: Aug 27, 2018, 2:20am Top

Challenge #5: Read a book with a 3 word title and there must be at least one person shown on the cover

* Books with sub-titles are acceptable as long as the main title is only 3 words.
* The person(s) on the cover don't have to be of portrait quality as long as they are identifiable as humans

I have set up a separate thread for us to post our cover pictures = http://www.librarything.com/topic/295440

10Helenliz
Aug 27, 2018, 4:06am Top

Challenge #6: Read a book with a definite article in the title, but not at the beginning

When we list books in the wiki, it is alphabetical with any definite articles at the start of the title ignored. This is to read a book title that contains the definite article but not at the beginning of the title.

Harry Potter and the prisoner of Azkaban counts, as it contains the in the middle of the title.
The Lacuna does not.

11Citizenjoyce
Aug 27, 2018, 5:19am Top

Challenge #7: Read a book that won either a Hugo or James Tiptree, Jr. award
I'm reading The Stone Sky (Hugo) by N. K. Jemisin

12Carmenere
Edited: Aug 27, 2018, 12:20pm Top

Challenge #8: Read a book that has a name in the title which also was a name in the title of any t.v series. Include the t.v show.
Title characters may include humans, cartoons, aliens and animals. I think that's fairly inclusive.
Another clarification: the book you choose does not need to be the tv version of the book, just share the name.

Examples include:

Hazel
I Love Lucy
Everybody Loves Raymond
Sabrina the Teenage Witch
Lassie
Flipper

And more examples found by countrylife.....
Veronica Mars
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Malcolm in the Middle
Ally McBeal
My Name Is Earl
Everybody Hates Chris
The Andy Griffith Show
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
Dharma & Greg
Doogie Howser, M.D.
Dawson's Creek
Better Off Ted
According to Jim
Ugly Betty
Will & Grace
Laverne & Shirley
Charles in Charge
Hannah Montana
Joan of Arcadia
Sabrina, the Teenage Witch
Suddenly Susan
Mork & Mindy
Kim Possible
Dora the Explorer
Bob the Builder
La Femme Nikita
The Suite Life of Zack and Cody
Xena: Warrior Princess

13countrylife
Edited: Aug 27, 2018, 10:56am Top

>12 Carmenere:: Do you intend the shows to be only series? Are made-for-tv movies excluded? Documentaries? Haven't picked out anything yet; just wondering from what to choose.

PS: Here's a few more tv series names from a quizz thingy.

Veronica Mars
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Everybody loves Raymond
Malcolm in the Middle
Ally McBeal
My Name Is Earl
Everybody Hates Chris
The Andy Griffith Show
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
Dharma & Greg
TV Show
Doogie Howser, M.D.
Dawson's Creek
Better Off Ted
According to Jim
Ugly Betty
Will & Grace
Laverne & Shirley
Charles in Charge
Hannah Montana
Joan of Arcadia
TV Show
Sabrina, the Teenage Witch
I Love Lucy
Suddenly Susan
Mork & Mindy
Kim Possible
Dora the Explorer
Bob the Builder
La Femme Nikita
The Suite Life of Zack and Cody
Xena: Warrior Princess

14Carmenere
Edited: Aug 27, 2018, 12:19pm Top

>13 countrylife: Only television series for challenge #8 which includes humans and cartoons or aliens. I'll even include animals like Lassie and Flipper. I just know that question will arise. Even if it appeared only one season. To add all the other forms you mentioned would have made it too easy. Thanks for including the list from quizz thingy, I will add it to my original post.

Please note: especially Madeline
PS! I tweaked by original post #12 to read "t.v series"

Thanks

Another clarification: the book you choose does not need to be the tv version of the book, just share the name.

15wandering_star
Aug 27, 2018, 11:45am Top

Challenge #9 - read a book translated from a non-European language

For the purposes of this challenge I'm going to define 'European language' as one of the official languages of the EU - Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish and Swedish.

16DeltaQueen50
Aug 27, 2018, 2:02pm Top

>15 wandering_star: That's a perfect challenge for me! I have been slowly reading the Tales from the Thousand and One Nights over the last few months and should finish them up this month. :)

17quondame
Aug 27, 2018, 3:33pm Top

Challenge #10 - Read a book with a city pictured, diagrammed, or silhouetted on the cover

It can be a fictional city, but must be show more than one building or street in the case of a map, extracted from a city.

18katiekrug
Aug 27, 2018, 4:14pm Top

>12 Carmenere: - Lynda, does the "name" from the TV series have to be used as a name in the book title? For example, could I read The Fates Will Find Their Way, using Will from Will and Grace, but as a verb, not a proper noun?

19Carmenere
Aug 27, 2018, 4:27pm Top

>18 katiekrug: It was my intent that proper noun in the television series match the proper noun in the book title. Unfortunately, your example would not be accepted.

20katiekrug
Aug 27, 2018, 4:29pm Top

Okay, no problem!

21FAMeulstee
Aug 27, 2018, 5:20pm Top

Challenge #11: Read a book with a full name (first name and family name) at the first page

I will read The Black Stallion legend with Alec Ramsay at the first page.

22Citizenjoyce
Edited: Oct 1, 2018, 1:59am Top

There are some pretty strange challenges this month. So far my planned reads are:
Challenge #1: Read a book with a one-word title which contains at least one double letter - started by SqueakyChu
Collared - David Rosenfelt (3)
Challenge #2: Gone, But Not Forgotten: Read a work by or about a deceased playwright - started by Dejah_Thoris
*✔Chapter Two - Neil Simon (3)
Challenge #3: Read a book you MUST read - started by lindapanzo
The incendiaries - R. O. Kwon (3.5)
Challenge #4: Read a book with the name of a railway station in the title - started by lyzard
Gold Fame Citrus - Claire Vaye Watkins (3.5)
Challenge #5: Read a book with a 3 word title and there must be at least one person on the cover - started by DeltaQueen
White American Youth: My Descent into America's Most Violent Hate Movement--and How I Got Out - Christian Picciolini (3.5)
Challenge #6: Read a book with a definite article in the title, but not at the beginning - started by helenliz
Gather the Daughters: A Novel - Jennie Melamed (4)
Minority Leader: How to Lead from the Outside and Make Real Change by Stacey Abrams (3.5)
Challenge #7: Read a book that won either a Hugo or James Tiptree, Jr. award - started by Citizenjoyce
The Stone Sky - N. K. Jemisin (3.5)
Challenge #8: Read a book that has a name in the title which also was/is a name in the title of any t.v series - started by Carmenere
A Kim Jong-Il Production: The Extraordinary True Story of a Kidnapped Filmmaker, His Star Actress, and a Young Dictator's Rise to Power - Paul Fischer (4.5)
Challenge #9: Read a book translated from a non-European language - started by wandering_star
Six Four - Hideo Yokoyama (3)
Challenge #10: Read a book with a city pictured, diagrammed, or silhouetted on the cover - started by quondame
The Last Days of Night: A Novel - Graham Moore (4.5)
Challenge #11: Read a book with a full name (first name and family name) at the first page - started by FAMeulstee
Chasing Hillary: Ten Years, Two Presidential Campaigns, and One Intact Glass Ceiling - Amy Chozick (3.5)
Fear: Trump in the White House by Bob Woodward (4.5)
✔Small Fry - Lisa Brennan-Jobs (3.5)
Challenge #12: Read a book that has an epigraph that is a poem or part of a poem written before the 20th century - started by Morphidae
Close Enough to Touch - Colleen Oakley
*✔The Vanishing Act of Esme Lennox - Maggie O'Farrell (3)
Challenge #13: Read a book where the author's name includes an accent, prefix, hyphen, or macron etc- started by avatiakh
Sun Storm - Åsa Larsson (1/2)
Challenge #14: Read a book where the main characters are children - started by neverstopreading
Becoming Nicole - Amy Ellis Nutt (5)
Challenge #15: Read a book containing a common noun representing a person, but no pronouns or proper nouns - started by susanna.fraser
The Children - Ann Leary (4)
Challenge #16: Read a book with a weather term related to rain in the title (or an umbrella on the cover) - started by owlie13
Prayers for Rain - Dennis Lehane (1)
Challenge #17: Read a book which starts with an animal product which lets the animal alive - started by paulstalder
*✔The Very Hungry Caterpillar - Eric Carle - (4)
Challenge #18: Read a book with a celestial reference on Page 21 - started by JeanneD
*Eats, Shoots & Leaves - Lynne Truss
Farewell, Dorothy Parker by Ellen Meister (3)

23Morphidae
Edited: Aug 29, 2018, 10:23am Top

Challenge #12: Read a book that has an epigraph that is a poem or part of a poem written before the 20th century

8/29 Addendum: Poetry-like song lyrics from pre-20th century are also acceptable.

Pretty self explanatory though if someone knows an easy way to search for books with epigraphs that would be a help.

>31 Suggested doing a search in Common Knowledge for different poets in Epigraphs. Here's the one for
Yeats: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Yeats+&f=28

Dickinson: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Dickinson&f=28

Rumi: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Rumi&f=28

Goethe: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Goethe&f=28

Dante: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Dante&f=28

Milton: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Dante&f=28

Donne: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Donne&f=28

Homer: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Homer&f=28

Thoreau: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Thoreau&f=28

And last, but not least, our favorite bard: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=William+Shakespeare&amp...

You can stick any poet's name in once you click on one of the above links.

Suggestions:

The Raven Boys by Maggie Stiefvater (Poe, 19th)
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley (Milton, 17th)

24lyzard
Aug 28, 2018, 2:52am Top

Hmm...

I'm guessing Judy won't accept that as "a person", so I guess I'll have to put this book in Susan's "city" challenge! :D


25dallenbaugh
Aug 28, 2018, 10:43am Top

>23 Morphidae: Searching in Google for "books with epigraphs" gives you many options but of course you have to see if they are poems written before the 20th century by clicking on each one.

"Epigraphs" in Wiki give you books with epigraphs and tells you where the epigraph originates.

26Morphidae
Aug 28, 2018, 1:02pm Top

>25 dallenbaugh: Yeah, I tried that but a) as you said, you had to check each one or b) when there are lists, they are mostly quotes rather than poems. I'll keep tossing ones that fit as i find them.

27DeltaQueen50
Aug 28, 2018, 1:13pm Top

>24 lyzard: Liz, I would call that more of an ex-person! Definitely a better fit for the city silhouette challenge. ;)

28susanna.fraser
Aug 28, 2018, 1:26pm Top

>5 lyzard: Is it OK if the railway station is no longer in use?

29lyzard
Aug 28, 2018, 5:09pm Top

>27 DeltaQueen50:

That's what I thought! :)

>28 susanna.fraser:

Yes, I'll allow that.

30cbl_tn
Aug 28, 2018, 5:47pm Top

>23 Morphidae: I think searching common knowledge for a specific poet would work. Here's a sample search for John Donne.

http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=john+donne

31FAMeulstee
Edited: Aug 28, 2018, 6:16pm Top

Thanks, Carrie, I forgot about searching Common Knowledge.
To make it easier, you can also search for a certain poet in the epigraph field like I did here with Sappho:
https://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Sappho&f=28

32Morphidae
Aug 28, 2018, 9:04pm Top

>31 FAMeulstee: That would help. I'll add it to my post. Thanks!

33cbl_tn
Edited: Aug 28, 2018, 9:19pm Top

>23 Morphidae: Would song lyrics count as poetry? I have a book with lyrics from the opera Don Giovanni as an epigraph, in both Italian and English. The Italian lyrics rhyme.

ETA: And I have another one with folk song lyrics as an epigraph that I believe predate the 20th century.

34Morphidae
Edited: Aug 28, 2018, 9:35pm Top

>32 Morphidae: Good question. If it included 20th century+ stuff, I would say no, but a case could be made for pre-20th century lyrics as they were "more" artistic, i.e. poetry like.

Let's see what everyone else thinks.

ETA: I'll wait 24 hours unless the result becomes obvious.

35Morphidae
Aug 28, 2018, 9:34pm Top

Vote: Should pre-20th century song lyrics be considered poetry for challenge #12?

Current tally: Yes 15, No 0

36countrylife
Aug 28, 2018, 9:45pm Top

I'm glad you asked, Carrie. I was just fixing to pop that book in there, when I came back to this thread to check on Morphy's rules.

37avatiakh
Edited: Aug 29, 2018, 5:52am Top

Challenge #13: Read a book where the author's name includes an accent, prefix, hyphen, or macron etc

Prefixes: Mc/Mac, O' eg: McCaffrey, MacDonald, O'Connell
also letters from other languages eg: Nesbø
Macron - Āpirana Ngata

I'll also accept: von, La/Le, Da/De, Ra/Re, or Ja/Je eg: de Bernières, von Humboldt

38Morphidae
Aug 29, 2018, 10:21am Top

>33 cbl_tn: Okay, looks like song lyrics will count. I'll go amend the rules!

39countrylife
Aug 29, 2018, 2:56pm Top

> : Kerry, when you say macron etc, would that include something like this: Åsa Larsson?

40Carmenere
Aug 29, 2018, 3:57pm Top

>9 DeltaQueen50: Judy, for your challenge #5, if the title consists of two words and a "&" is that considered a 3 word title?

41avatiakh
Aug 29, 2018, 4:02pm Top

>39 countrylife: Yes, any sort of symbol / accent that comes with a letter. Te reo Māori uses macrons so I'm more familiar with that.

42DeltaQueen50
Aug 29, 2018, 7:12pm Top

>40 Carmenere: Lynda, since the '&' symbol is interchangeable with the word 'and' I will accept it for my challenge.

43cbl_tn
Aug 29, 2018, 8:01pm Top

>38 Morphidae: Yay! It's likely to be a popular book this month since there's a group read. :-)

44Carmenere
Aug 30, 2018, 9:11am Top

>42 DeltaQueen50: Thanks, Judy :0)

45neverstopreading
Aug 30, 2018, 4:22pm Top

Challenge 14: Read a book where the main characters are children

Fall is here, hear the yell
Back to school, ring the bell...


Fall is here. Kids are going back to school (boohoo😭/woohoo!😄). This challenge is about reading a book where kids are the main characters. Adults can be important in the story, but this challenge is for the kids!

A kid here is anyone aged 0-17.

46susanna.fraser
Edited: Sep 10, 2018, 7:13pm Top

Challenge #15: Read a book whose title contains a common noun representing a person, but no pronouns or proper nouns

Subtitles should be excluded.

Examples:
A Gentleman Never Keeps Score
The Girl From Everywhere
The Black Count

47neverstopreading
Aug 31, 2018, 9:11am Top

>46 susanna.fraser: Does the word need to actually represent a person? For example, must "count" refer to a person, i.e. a count, rather than a number or the verb to count?

48susanna.fraser
Aug 31, 2018, 10:44am Top

>47 neverstopreading: Yes, it should actually represent a person.

49avatiakh
Aug 31, 2018, 3:43pm Top

>22 Citizenjoyce: The book by Amy Ellis Nutt doesn't fit the conditions of challenge #13. The author's name doesn't have a hyphen or accent.
Would possibly fit challenge #14?

50Citizenjoyce
Aug 31, 2018, 5:16pm Top

>49 avatiakh: I did put it in 14, I don’t know how I also managed to put in in your challenge. Sorry.

51owlie13
Aug 31, 2018, 11:45pm Top

Challenge #16 - Read a book with a weather term related to rain in the title (or an umbrella on the cover).
We have a big festival here in Seattle over Labor Day weekend - Bumbershoot! A bumbershoot is an umbrella for those who don't know. So my challenge asks you to read a book with a rain-related weather term in the title, or a picture of an umbrella on the cover. Rain, storm, hurricane, downpour, drizzle, mist, shower, torrent, cloudburst, deluge, precipitation. All these words work.

52owlie13
Aug 31, 2018, 11:46pm Top

>46 susanna.fraser: - just so I'm clear - this word has to be in the title?

53DeltaQueen50
Sep 1, 2018, 12:09pm Top

>51 owlie13: Will the word "Mist" fit your challenge? Here on the West Coast we often have days of "mist" when the clouds are low and a light moisture is in the air.

54owlie13
Sep 1, 2018, 1:31pm Top

>53 DeltaQueen50: Yep. It's one of the words I listed. Here in Washington State (at least the western side) we also have what I call spitting - not really rain, just kind of a very light drizzle. The Eskimos have 50 words for snow - I think we have almost that many for rain.

55DeltaQueen50
Sep 1, 2018, 5:00pm Top

>54 owlie13: Excellent. :)

56quondame
Sep 1, 2018, 7:33pm Top

>46 susanna.fraser: Gypsy can be either a proper noun or not, but I'm assuming for this challenge it gets classified as proper?

57Dejah_Thoris
Sep 1, 2018, 11:37pm Top

Minor change to Challenge #2: works by or about screenplay writers are also acceptable.

58paulstalder
Edited: Sep 8, 2018, 11:10am Top

Here my not so easy challenge:
Challenge #17: Read a book which starts with an animal product which lets the animal alive

We use all kind of things animals 'have' or produce, but most of them kill the animals when using it. But there are some products which let the animals alive, like wool, eggs, milk, and honey. Did I forget anything?

I first wanted to exclude honey because honey harvesting in the USA (West coast) usually ends with the destruction of the beehives and the bee colonies. But they do not die because of taking the honey away but because of poor care and diligence.

So when the first sentence of a book contains one of these products, that counts. Embedded words are fine. List the first words with product in the wiki. The language of the book must match the language of the word.

It is difficult to find such books (no problem in German, since 'Ei' appears pretty often....) therefore I also accept the producers of these products (sheep, hen, cow, bee - but no rooster, bull, queen etc.) but no embedded words here, here it needs the 'proper' thing.

edited to add 'Horsehair' (not just hair) and 'Venom' as animal products (possibly embedded words), and horse and snake as producers (single words only), and 'beeswax', also 'camel' and 'goat'.

Producers are also accepted in the plural forms (not embedded).

59dallenbaugh
Sep 2, 2018, 11:05am Top

>58 paulstalder: I can think of a couple of other things animals produce that humans use: bird droppings "guano" used for fertilizer; "venom" used by milking poisonous snakes; "hair" from horse's tails to make violin bows.

60paulstalder
Sep 2, 2018, 11:18am Top

>59 dallenbaugh: I do not want to accept guano and hair, since guano is just a dropping which is of no use to the birds themselves, whereas eggs (as droppings) are useful for the hens. Hair is just too common a word (for me), but 'horsehair' would be okay in German it would be called Rosshaar which I would accept but 'horsehair.
I didn't think of snake venom, so thanks for everything you hinted at.

I added Horsehair and Venom to the challenge

61SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 11:21am Top

>58 paulstalder: To those who find some good examples of books to use for Paul’s challenge, feel free to share that information with us!

62paulstalder
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 2:15pm Top

>58 paulstalder:
- The Very Hungry Caterpillar by Eric Carle - In the light of the moon a little egg lay on a leaf.
- Maus: A Survivor's Tale by Art Spiegelman - Last one to the schoolyard is a rotten egg.
- The hotel New Hampshire by John Irving - The summer my father bought the bear, none of us was born - we weren't even conceived: not Frank, the oldest; not Franny, the loudest; not me, the next; and not the youngest of us, Lilly and Egg.
- The Cry of the Dove: A Novel by Fadia Faqir - The white sheep dotted the green hills like teased wool and the lights of the solitary mill floated on the calm surface of the river Exe.

- Strangers by Dean Koontz - Dominick Corvaisis went to sleep under a light wool blanket and a crisp white sheet, sprawled alone in his bed, but he woke elsewhere
- Tudors: The History of England from Henry VIII to Elizabeth I by Peter Ackroyd - The land was flowing with milk and honey.
- Night of the Milky Way Railway by Kenji Miyazawa - Well then, everybody, while it's been called a river or a leftover spill of milk
- Prayer for a Child by Rachel Field - Bless this milk and bless this bread.
- Marmee & Louisa: The Untold Story of Louisa May Alcott and Her Mother by Eve LaPlante - On Wednesday, October 8, 1800, in a large frame house on Milk Street overlooking Boston Harbor, Dorothy Sewall May
- Loki by Mike Vasich - As always, the venom dripped down slowly, like acidic syrup.
- A Search Is Organdized by A. A. Milne - Pooh was sitting in his house one day, counting his pots of honey,
- Eric by Terry Pratchett - The bees of Death are big and black, they buzz low and somber, they keep their honey in combs of wax as white as altar candles.

63SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 11:50am Top

>62 paulstalder: Maus should be a MUST READ for everyone here who has not yet read it.

I found one I read and liked:

Thirst for Love - Yukio Mishima - "That day Etsuko went to the Hankyu department store and bought two pairs of wool socks."

64paulstalder
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 11:49am Top

>63 SqueakyChu: I agree with Maus - not all editions start with the same sentence, well, at least according to the CK entries here on LT.

65calm
Sep 2, 2018, 11:50am Top

>4 lindapanzo: Would you accept the third book of a trilogy as a MUST read?

I read the first last month, have found a place for the second and am not too sure about creating my own challenge this month as I try not to set one every month.

66countrylife
Sep 2, 2018, 1:03pm Top

>62 paulstalder: : Paul - One of your examples shows it's qualifying word in the second sentence. When your challenge says "starts with", do you intend the word to be found in the first sentence?, paragraph", page?

67DeltaQueen50
Sep 2, 2018, 1:26pm Top

>58 paulstalder: Paul's challenge had me checking all my western fiction figuring I would find a horse or a cow there and I got lucky with Mission to the West which opens with a sentence about how hot a 'wool' uniform was. :)

68lindapanzo
Sep 2, 2018, 2:13pm Top

>65 calm: If you, like me, feel you must read in order, then that would be ok.

69paulstalder
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 2:16pm Top

>66 countrylife: thanks for the hint. I will take it away. Sorry for that. I just copypasted it without having seen the full stop.

The idea is teally to find the word on the first sentence.

70dallenbaugh
Sep 2, 2018, 2:46pm Top

To the Far Blue Mountains has "horse" in the first sentence

71quondame
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 4:05pm Top

>58 paulstalder: There is the silk harvested from used cocoons for tussah fabric. And and I have seen shed rattles from rattlesnakes sold, though I'm not sure what use they are. Found feathers don't harm the birds. Then there is the lady that spins dog hair into garments. Oh, and they made this lovely silk robe from spider silk without harming the spiders. Spider silk is used for other things too.

72paulstalder
Edited: Sep 2, 2018, 4:19pm Top

>71 quondame: Silk: usually the cocoons with the caterpillars are boiled in hot water, so they don't bite through the fabric which would make it useless - pretty deadly process for the caterpillars.
Shed skin, rattles, antler etc. are 'leftovers' which are of no use to the animals anymore. Feathers and dog hair are not 'harvested' from animals bread and taken care of for that explicit purpose.

ETA Tussar silk: most of the silkworms don't survive there either, they are mainly dried in the sun or boiled, very few are really left alive. But okay, if you find a book with 'tussar' or 'tussah' in the first sentence, that's fine with me, but not 'silk'.

73susanna.fraser
Sep 2, 2018, 6:21pm Top

>56 quondame: Yes, I'd consider it a proper noun for purposes of this challenge.

74paulstalder
Edited: Sep 3, 2018, 3:56am Top

Looking back to my airport challenge last month:
We flew 215'643.59 km
We travelled almost 6 times around the Earth, we started in the USA and are now stranded in Australia.
We had landings in:
USA 7x, Bahamas
Colombia, Ecuador,
Sierra Leone, Algeria, DR Congo, Chad
China 2x, Pakistan, Indonesia 2x, Japan,
Australia 2x, Papua New Guinea,
Ukraine, Iceland, Bulgaria, Turkey

Thank you for flying with us. PS Airlines wishes you a pleasant stay in Queensland.

Places you might visit
- Toowoomba City Library https://www.librarything.com/venue/40981/Toowoomba-City-Library
- A Novel Experience https://www.librarything.com/venue/76744/A-Novel-Experience
- University of Southern Queensland Toowoomba Campus Library https://www.librarything.com/venue/107823/University-of-Southern-Queensland-Toowoomba-Campus-Library

- Kaboom Comics, 345 Ruthven St, Toowoomba City QLD 4350
- Book Nook - Performing Arts Bookshop, 5 Kate St, Toowoomba City QLD 4350
- Scripture Union of Qld, 249 Margaret Street TOOWOOMBA 4350
- Koorong, 837 Ruthven St, Toowoomba, QLD 4350 http://www.librarything.com/venue/111932

75avatiakh
Sep 3, 2018, 6:13am Top

>74 paulstalder: My brother lives near Toowoomba in Gatton. I'll have to have a visit next time I'm in Queensland.

76thornton37814
Sep 3, 2018, 8:36am Top

>74 paulstalder: Most of the time I finished a 3-word book, the location had just been passed over so I couldn't use it. That was one of the more interesting challenges lately.

77paulstalder
Edited: Sep 3, 2018, 10:19am Top

>75 avatiakh: A brother is a good reason to visit the place :), Kerry. Maybe you visit the bookshops around. But I am afraid, you won't find a Tmol Shilshom-similar place *sigh*

>76 thornton37814: Thanks, Lori. It was fun, thinking about it and it was fun now, to see all the different places. Shame, you couldn't place your destinations. There were some very long distance flights, it seems that some people were hurrying going around the planet as fast and often as possible :)

78FAMeulstee
Sep 3, 2018, 3:00pm Top

>1 SqueakyChu: Madeline is HHhH acceptable for your challenge?

79SqueakyChu
Sep 3, 2018, 7:11pm Top

>78 FAMeulstee: It's perfectly acceptable!

80jeanned
Sep 3, 2018, 7:17pm Top

My husband is my shining superstar, and this challenge celebrates our 20th anniversary on the 21st of the September. I was holding out for Challenge #21, but it doesn't look like we'll get there, and it's the fourth on my side of the world. So....

====Challenge #18: Read a book with a celestial reference on Page 21====

This can be any naturally occurring generic or specific (i.e., named) celestial
-- body (asteroid, moon, star, planet, comet nucleus, shooting star / meteor),
--object (star cluster, galaxy, nebula, comet with tail, but NOT a constellation), or
--event (eclipse, meteor shower);

OR a word or phrase describing the space in which such bodies, objects, and events exist, e.g., cosmos, the heavens, and deep / outer / intergalactic space.

Please include the celestial reference in the wiki.

81jeanned
Sep 3, 2018, 9:46pm Top

Madeline, my challenge is #18, not 19. :)

82SqueakyChu
Sep 3, 2018, 10:47pm Top

>81 jeanned:. Fixed. Thanks. Happy anniversary!

83jeanned
Sep 3, 2018, 10:59pm Top

>82 SqueakyChu:: Thank you. And thank you!

84quondame
Sep 3, 2018, 11:46pm Top

>58 paulstalder: If honey is allowed is beeswax? Also antler is still used for knife handles and used to be used for many things. I don't expect you to agree to blood, though nomadic horsemen have used the blood of their mounts in small amounts.

85paulstalder
Sep 4, 2018, 2:38am Top

>84 quondame: Okay, Susan, I agree with beeswax, but as you rightly assume, not with blood

>80 jeanned: Happy anniversary !

86paulstalder
Sep 4, 2018, 2:40am Top

Madeline, can I add three more challenges, so that >80 jeanned: becomes the 21st???? :)

87jeanned
Sep 4, 2018, 2:54am Top

>85 paulstalder: Thank you, Paul.

>86 paulstalder: Sure, we'll just throw ALL the TIOLI rules out the window for our anniversary! Haha!

88paulstalder
Sep 4, 2018, 3:51am Top

>87 jeanned: Not ALL rules, just one - for the one-and-only-one 20th anniversary :)

89paulstalder
Sep 5, 2018, 3:49pm Top

>21 FAMeulstee: Do you accept personal names of people who have no surname? Like 'John saw in his vision (in Revelation) ...', St. Paul, Aristotle, Princess Beatrix etc. Do you accept these?

90FAMeulstee
Sep 5, 2018, 4:25pm Top

>89 paulstalder: Sorry, Paul, no single names. It has to be a first name and a surname.
Beatrix van Oranje would qualify, Princess Beatrix does not.

91paulstalder
Sep 5, 2018, 4:41pm Top

>90 FAMeulstee: Thanks for the quick answer. Shame for all those old philosophers, writers etc who never received a surname. But you make the rules here

92SqueakyChu
Sep 6, 2018, 7:45pm Top

Thank you, Dejah_Thoris, for forcing (!) me to read a book by a deceased playwright. That would not have been my first choice of reading, but I read The Loser by Thomas Bernhard a work that I probably would not have read otherwise had I not wanted to at least attempt a sweeplette. That book blew me away!

93Dejah_Thoris
Sep 8, 2018, 9:28am Top

>92 SqueakyChu: You're very welcome, Madeline! Your post tickled me because that's exactly what the TIOLI Challenges have always done for me - encouraged me to pick up a book I was reluctant to read or that I planned get to eventually (although eventually, in this context, rarely ever seemed to come). Add to that books that I'd never even heard of before (often books for shared reads), and it's clear what TIOLI does for the variety of my reading!

94cbl_tn
Sep 8, 2018, 9:55am Top

I had the same experience with Madeline’s challenge. I’ve been meaning to read Housekeeping “someday” for ages. I downloaded the audio from OverDrive for Madeline’s challenge and it was one of those rare 5 star reads for me.

95Dejah_Thoris
Edited: Sep 8, 2018, 9:59am Top

>58 paulstalder: If I'm reading your Challenge correctly, Paul, 'camels' would be disallowed not because they aren't producers (milk), but because the word is plural, right?

And in addition to camels, I'd suggest alpacas and vicunas (wool) and llamas (milk).

ETA: And goats (milk) - and yaks! I can't believe I forgot them. And I am am ware of individuals who make fabrics from cat fur, but I'm not going to push that one. :)

96SqueakyChu
Sep 8, 2018, 11:00am Top

>93 Dejah_Thoris: Well, I don't read enough books a month to be challenged by reading a book in each of 18 or so categories. It was always easy enough for me to just slip a book into a category that fit whatever I was reading. The added incentive of trying to complete a sweeplette makes the original TIOLI idea now actually work for me. That's why I thought the idea of a sweeplette was so brilliant!

Sometimes I do complete at least six books a month; other times I don't. I spent quite some time last night looking for a book to fit the "railway station" challenge. I think I've got one! I'll just need to browse through it to see if it catches my attention in the first few chapters.

Funny, though, I'm still avoiding the challenge to read a book you MUST read. Any book with such a designation puts me off to reading it. Go figure! :D

97SqueakyChu
Sep 8, 2018, 11:00am Top

>94 cbl_tn: Hey! Glad my challenge worked to your advantage!

98paulstalder
Sep 8, 2018, 11:08am Top

>95 Dejah_Thoris: I just didn't mention goats and camels as milk givers (I recently had some discussion with friends who have been to Algeria and tried camel milk and found it so disgusting they just finished the cup offered and then declined all other offers ...).

You're right, I should include camel and goat in the list. I also accept the plural forms - as long as they appear as single, full words, not embedded ones.

99FAMeulstee
Sep 8, 2018, 11:11am Top

>91 paulstalder: My challenge doesn't state it has to concern a human, just that it must be a first and family name. If Ginger Pye or Pinky Pye are mentioned on the first page it counts.

100neverstopreading
Sep 9, 2018, 5:41pm Top

>80 jeanned: Two questions: does "earth" count?

Also...what if the celestial object is in the title of the book, which is, in turn, printed at the top of page 21?

101jeanned
Sep 9, 2018, 10:21pm Top

>100 neverstopreading: I would accept earth because it is a planet, even if the word isn't used in that context in the book.

And it would be hypocritical of me not to accept a celestial book title word appearing at the top of page 21 given that in April of this year I used the word "chapter" for Madeline's challenge to read a book with at least three pages starting with the same word, but NOT the word “the”. :D

102susanna.fraser
Sep 10, 2018, 7:13pm Top

>52 owlie13: Very belatedly, yes, a word in the title. I edited the challenge.

103quondame
Sep 10, 2018, 7:39pm Top

>58 paulstalder: I am probably not the only person to notice that Horton Hatches the Egg and Green Eggs and Ham do not meet this challenge. My daughter's childhood library is quite deep however, and there was a copy of The Very Hungry Caterpillar.

104paulstalder
Sep 11, 2018, 2:01am Top

>103 quondame: As far as can see from the ck page of the books you mentioned, the horton book would fit because egg appears in the first sentence. The green eggs starts with 'i am dam', that does not qualify.

105Dejah_Thoris
Sep 11, 2018, 10:52am Top

Does anyone remember the brief discussion last month started by Liz about finding a book for a challenge and then realizing it works for another? Well, that's definitely happened to me this month.

I've thought about reading My Sister Eileen (a collection of short stories that were originally published in the New Yorker and inspired a Broadway play, a Broadway musical, a radio play, two films, a short-lived tv series) for years. Lynda's Challenge #8 (name/tv show) seemed perfect for it. Well, it also turns out to be perfect for Kerry's Challenge #13, because the author's name is Ruth McKenney, but I already had a book for that one.

So I pick it up, and what do I find in the first sentence? The word milk. So now it works for Paul's rather difficult Challenge #17. I'd found a book for Paul's challenge, but I'm not making quick progress, so just in case anyone wants to join me in the very funny My Sister Eileen, it's now in Challenge#18. And I have another book for Challenge #8. :)

106calm
Sep 11, 2018, 11:07am Top

>105 Dejah_Thoris: - a number of my reads this month will fit in more than one challenge and I have already put a couple in challenges I didn't plan originally. I also have one to move from challenge #1, as I have read another to fit that challenge, and the original one will fit in challenge #16.

Even though I doubt very much if I will ever get a sweep or a sweeplette, as there is often one challenge per page where I don't find a book I want to read, I do like to spread my books into different challenges.

107SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 11, 2018, 3:55pm Top

>105 Dejah_Thoris: Funny how that works, isn’t it?!

We still need a term for what to call it. Any ideas?

On-the-spot challenge hop?
Challenge leaping?
Instant book bouncing?
Quick book vaulting?

P. S. This sounds like a Tim hunting for a term for a new LT feature. Haha!

:D

108lyzard
Sep 11, 2018, 6:03pm Top

>105 Dejah_Thoris:, >107 SqueakyChu:

TIOLI-and-switch?

It happened again this month! I had Night Flight by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry pegged for (obviously) #13, only to find on page 21 references to the moon, stars and space. :D

109SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 11, 2018, 8:04pm Top

>108 lyzard: ...and I just now found a book that had been in my Little Free Library for Paul's challenge. I'll be reading it momentarily! :D

Of course, I never even thought to put it elsewhere since it had both the words "sheep" and "wool" in the first sentence! How could I not read it?!

110Citizenjoyce
Sep 12, 2018, 2:44am Top

If anyone is planning on reading the Bob Woodward book, Fear: Trump in the White House, I've put it in Chapter 11, the full name challenge.

111Morphidae
Sep 12, 2018, 12:31pm Top

>107 SqueakyChu: I think it should be "Challenge Hopping" because:

a) TIOLI's mascot is the frog and frogs hop. 🐸

b) The idea of moving from challenge to challenge made me think of moving from one character's thoughts to another character's in a book. It's called "head hopping."

112SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 12, 2018, 4:11pm Top

>111 Morphidae: Yeah. I kind of like challenge hopping.

Vote: That situation of suddenly moving a book to a different challenge should be called "challenge hopping".

Current tally: Yes 15, No 1
:D

113SqueakyChu
Sep 12, 2018, 1:30pm Top

TIOLI Stats for August, 2108:

In August, 2018, we read a total of 432 books of which 96 or 22%, were shared reads. We accumulated a total of 53 TIOLI points for August, giving us a YTD value of 392 TIOLI points, the highest since the same time in 2015. Good job with your shared reads!

Our most popular books, each with four readers were:
The Unlikely Pilgrimage of Harold Fry - Rachel Joyce
Record of a Spaceborn Few - Becky Chambers
The Little Prince - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Our most popular challenge, with 45 books read, was Dejah_Thoris's The Location, Location, Location Rolling Challenge!

The challenges with the most TIOLI points (both with 5) were:
1. Read a book where the letters of the title on the cover are all black or all white - started by FAMeulstee
2. Read a book found through a tag mash of humor and one of the following: mystery/horror/science fiction/fantasy - started by owlie13

TIOLI awards to follow later...

114quondame
Sep 12, 2018, 3:43pm Top

>107 SqueakyChu: >111 Morphidae: Challenge swapping?

115SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 12, 2018, 6:52pm Top

I added some other options that challengers suggested, but I have to put each option in a different post. We'll use whichever one gets the most yes votes. Feel free to add more options if you'd like to suggest something else. You can add your own vote survey (or I can add it for you).

Please go down to message #120. I didn't meant o have the same sentence twice.

116SqueakyChu
Sep 12, 2018, 4:12pm Top

Vote: That situation of suddenly moving a book to a different challenge should be called "TIOLI-and-switch".

Current tally: Yes 1, No 15

117paulstalder
Sep 12, 2018, 4:37pm Top

What about shorten the 'Challenge hopping' to 'challopping'?

118DeltaQueen50
Sep 12, 2018, 4:54pm Top

>117 paulstalder: "Challopping"! I love that - it get my vote! :)

119lyzard
Sep 12, 2018, 5:28pm Top

That would be the verb; the noun would be "challopy". :D

120SqueakyChu
Sep 12, 2018, 6:53pm Top

Vote: That situation of suddenly moving a book to a different challenge should be called "challenge swapping"

Current tally: Yes 2, No 11, Undecided 2

121SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 12, 2018, 6:56pm Top

Vote: Vote: That situation of suddenly moving a book to a different challenge should be called "challopping".

Current tally: Yes 5, No 9, Undecided 2
.

Did you do challopy this month? Hahahahaha!

122SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 12, 2018, 7:14pm Top

Oops! I didn't meant to have the same sentence twice. Be sure you vote in all suggestions: so far in messages: 112, 116, 120. 121.

I'll add more suggestions if you post them. You can also change your vote as different suggestions are added. :)

123neverstopreading
Sep 12, 2018, 8:50pm Top

>119 lyzard: If I challop while riding in an old car would that car become a challopy jalopy?

124FAMeulstee
Sep 13, 2018, 11:50am Top

I finished my sweep today :-)

#1: HhhH - Larent Binet
#2: Een Mann - Rindert Kromhout
#3: Mevrouw Dalloway (Mrs. Dalloway) - Virginia Woolf
#4: Dansen op de brug van Avignon (Dancing on the Bridge of Avignon) - Ida Vos
#5: Een kleine kans (Against the Odds) - Marjolein Hof
#6: Harry Potter en de relieken van de dood (Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows) - J.K. Rowling
#6: April is de wreedste maand - Rindert Kromhout
#7: Duin (Dune) - Frank Herbert
#8: De avonturen van Lena Lena - Harriet van Reek
#9: Slangen & piercings (Snakes and Earrings) - Hitomi Kanehara
#10: De brug (The Bridge) - Geert Mak
#11: De legende van de Zwarte Hengst (The Black Stallion legend) - Walter Farley
#11: Mark Rothko - Annie Cohen-Solal
#11: Vertel me wie wij waren - Rindert Kromhout
#12: De verzamelde werken van A.J. Fikry, boekhandelaar (The Storied Life of A. J. Fikry) - Gabrielle Zevin
#13: Valkuil - Arnaldur Indriðason
#14: Nou moe! - Veronica Hazelhoff
#15: Wachten op matroos (Hello, Sailor) - André Sollie
#16: In de mist van het schimmenrijk - W.F. Hermans
#17: Transit - Hella Haasse
#18: Gina - Alet Schouten

125DeltaQueen50
Sep 13, 2018, 11:56am Top

Congrats Anita. :)

126quondame
Sep 13, 2018, 1:59pm Top

>124 FAMeulstee: Congratulations! There are some very challenging challenges this month!

127paulstalder
Sep 13, 2018, 2:41pm Top

Well done, Anita.

128avatiakh
Sep 13, 2018, 3:37pm Top

Congratulations Anita.

129SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 13, 2018, 3:40pm Top

>124 FAMeulstee: Very cool, Anita! Congrats on finishing your sweep before I (might) finish my sweeplette! :D

130FAMeulstee
Sep 13, 2018, 3:45pm Top

>125 DeltaQueen50: Thank you, Judy.

>126 quondame: Thanks, Susan. Some are very challenging, hard to find books for them. I don't think I will manage a double this month.

>127 paulstalder: Thank you, Paul.

>128 avatiakh: Thank you, Kerry.

>129 SqueakyChu: Thanks, Madeline, rooting for a sweeplette for you!

131SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 13, 2018, 3:49pm Top

>129 SqueakyChu: I think I can do it!

I am really enjoying the challenge of the TIOLI challenges now!!

132Citizenjoyce
Sep 13, 2018, 4:57pm Top

>124 FAMeulstee: Congratulations on working your magic again.

133FAMeulstee
Sep 13, 2018, 6:59pm Top

>132 Citizenjoyce: Thank you, Joyce, it wasn't easy to find fitting books for all challenges this month!

134Dejah_Thoris
Sep 17, 2018, 11:05am Top

>124 FAMeulstee: Belated congratulations, Anita!

>131 SqueakyChu: Too funny, Madeline.

>112 SqueakyChu: 'Challenge Hopping' looks like the winner so far, based on the vote - although I find Challoping pretty funny....

>113 SqueakyChu: Hooray for all of us on the great stats! And on the topic of shared reads, I'm trying to get a few more this month. I've set aside far more books than I'm actually going to get to, but if anyone adds a shared read to the wiki of something I've got listed, that will become a priority. So let me know, please!

135SqueakyChu
Sep 17, 2018, 4:38pm Top

.134 I loved chalopping, but I can go with challenge hopping. Isn't one just the short form for the other, though?! :D

136lyzard
Sep 18, 2018, 5:35pm Top

Oh, Susan, I just discovered my shared read for Night Flight! - thank you for the pleasant surprise. :)

137susanna.fraser
Sep 19, 2018, 12:13am Top

I just completed a sweeplette!

#1 Belle by Beverly Jenkins (I know the Touchstone says Belle and the Beau, but the version I read was retitled and met the challenge criteria.)
#2 Have His Carcase by Dorothy Sayers
#3 Take the Lead by Alexis Daria
#4 Hope Never Dies! by Andrew Shaffer
#5 Be Not Afraid by Alyssa Cole
#6 A Concise History of the Haitian Revolution by Jeremy Popkin

138FAMeulstee
Sep 19, 2018, 2:16am Top

>137 susanna.fraser: Congratulations!

139Carmenere
Sep 19, 2018, 8:09am Top

>137 susanna.fraser: Congrats, susanna! It must be a great feeling!

140SqueakyChu
Sep 19, 2018, 9:45am Top

>137 susanna.fraser: I hope to join you. Congrats!

The challenge of it is fun for those of us who can't do the grand sweep, isn't it?

141susanna.fraser
Sep 19, 2018, 11:01pm Top

>140 SqueakyChu: Definitely! It's just the right amount of pushing myself to find books I might not otherwise have read, or at least not have read just then.

142Citizenjoyce
Sep 20, 2018, 4:06am Top

143Citizenjoyce
Edited: Sep 21, 2018, 3:55am Top

For anyone who wants to read the new book by Steve Jobs' daughter, I've put Small Fry by Lisa Brennan-Jobs in challenge 11.
I'm looking for a place to put Minority Leader: How to Lead from the Outside and Make Real Change by Stacey Abrams. Alas, she does mention people on the first page but only by first name.

144Helenliz
Sep 21, 2018, 8:24am Top

>143 Citizenjoyce: It could go in challenge 6, (the not at the start). I didn't exclude subtitles in the challenge.

145SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 21, 2018, 12:06pm Top

So, I did it! I completed sweeplette!

The challenge I normally would have avoided was the challenge about a book by a deceased playwright. It sounded pretty awful! :) The book I chose to read, which I've had at home for years, was excellent. Go figure! Going forward, I will continue to try to do sweeplettes.

Here's what I've learned about sweeplettes, although our complete sweepers know this already.
* Pick a book you are pretty sure you'll like. Read at least a few pages to see if it grabs your interest. If not, read a different book.
*See if there are any shared reads which might interest you. If so, try them!
* Pick a book of a length that you can finish in a reasonable amount of time. This should not be race against the clock. I picked rather thin books. :)
* For those who don't have time to do sweeplettes, begin to challenge yourself in this way: Pick your own or a favorite challenge. Then do the challenges in chronological order, but don't skip any. That's the true CHALLENGE. How come I'm discovering this fact 8 years late?!

For those of you who have no interest in sweeps or sweeplettes, continue to play as we've been doing for the past 8 years. However you decide to do the TIOLI challenges, have fun!

Any other suggestions from our sweepers or sweepletters?

Here are my books read (but not in the order of the challenges):

1. Less - Andrew Sean Greer - TIOLI: Read a book with a one-word title which contains a double letter (SS) - 261 pages
2. The Loser - Thomas Bernhard - TIOLI: Read a work by or about a deceased playwright (novel/died 1989) - 190 pages
3. The Museum Guard - Howard Norman - TIOLI: Read a book with a 3 word title and there must be at least one person on the cover - 301 pages
4. The Body of Jonah Boyd - David Leavitt - TIOLI: Read a book with the name of a railway station in the title (Boyd Railway Station, Boyd, Manitoba, Canada) - 215 pages
5. Ask the Dust - John Fante - TIOLI: Read a book with a definite article in the title, but not at the beginning - 165 pages
6. Heartsongs - Mattie J.T. Stepanek - TIOLI: Read a book you MUST read (I promised to read this book and pass it along to a group of friends) - 35 pages

146Helenliz
Sep 21, 2018, 12:19pm Top

>154 well done >:-)
I'm one off the same thing, which would be good.

147FAMeulstee
Sep 21, 2018, 1:03pm Top

>145 SqueakyChu: Congratulations, Madeline!
So proud of you, discoving new fun in your own challenge :-)

Good suggestions, I always try to avoid time pressure, and try to finish my sweep(s) early in the month.

148SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 21, 2018, 1:07pm Top

>146 Helenliz: Terrific!

>147 FAMeulstee:
So proud of you, discoving new fun in your own challenge

Hahahaha!

149Citizenjoyce
Sep 21, 2018, 4:35pm Top

>145 SqueakyChu: Yay, that makes all the hard work you put into TIOLI a little more fun.
>144 Helenliz: Double yay. Oh horrors, the idea of reading a book I can’t put into TIOLI.

150thornton37814
Sep 21, 2018, 6:22pm Top

>149 Citizenjoyce: Increasingly I find myself reading ones that don't fit. I used to be able to find TIOLI challenges fitting most books I read. That's just not the case these days.

151Citizenjoyce
Sep 22, 2018, 1:11am Top

>150 thornton37814: The best laid plans - then news comes out or someone mentions a book that you just have to read.

152Helenliz
Sep 22, 2018, 2:05am Top

>149 Citizenjoyce: I feel your pain on that one! For no obvious reason it really irks me when a book just won't fit.

153SqueakyChu
Sep 22, 2018, 12:19pm Top

The August 2018 TIOLI Awards!

The Let's Do It All Award goes to klobrien2 and raidergirl3 for reading Over and Under the Snow for Carmenere's challenge to read a book that contains the word "over" or "under" in the title. Why not get it all covered? Why not, indeed!

The Share My Sport award goes FAMeulstee for reading De Wolf, John because this challenger obviously shares my enthusiasm for my newest fanaticism, the sport of soccer. Please, everyone here, root for my local team, DC United, to get enough wins to be in this year's playoffs. :D

The Seniors Together Award goes to Citizenjoyce for the oldest publishing date (1940) for susanna.fraser's challenge to read a book first published in the decade of your birth. That's my birth decade also so cheers to us!

The Stretch It Out Award goes to paulstalder for reading Das kleine deutsche Tintenfass for Helenliz's challenge to read a book with a multiple word title, with words of increasing length. This challenger was the only one to find a four-word title fitting the challenge's requirements.

The Bartender of the Month Award goes to neverstopreading for the challenge to read a book that pairs well with a drink. What a fun idea for a challenge that was! Presently, I have a drink that pairs well with awarding awards. It's the coffee I'm drinking as I type this. The coffee came from Honduras as a gift from my sister-in-law who lives in Tegucigalpa. Interestingly enough. it was labeled "Cafe Americano" (American coffee). Well, Honduras is in America (Central America). :)

The Humanitarian of the Month Award goes to JeanneD for the challenge to read a book with a significant connection to the concept of neurodiversity. It is so important to learn about health conditions of others in order to be able to treat affected individuals appropriately and with kindness. Thank you for this challenge.

The Traveler of the Year Award goes to (you know what's coming...) paulstalder for the challenge to read a book with a 3-word-title which is an airport abbreviation. Despite this challenge taking away reading time while figuring it out, it did teach us how to travel the globe...and how to distinguish east from west. Haha!

Congrats to our award winners! Please add awards of your own at this time!

154DeltaQueen50
Sep 22, 2018, 1:36pm Top

Congratulations to all the award winners. I think we all deserve an award for "Continuing Creativity" as the challenges are still fresh and exciting after the many years that we have been doing them. A well deserved pat on the back to all TIOLIers!

155SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 22, 2018, 3:14pm Top

*pats everyone’s back*

>154 DeltaQueen50: Interesting observation. In creating the TIOLI challenges, what I had most in mind is that I wanted to read whatever I wanted to...not in isolation, but rather with others. I also did not want to feel compelled to have to finish a book I didn’t like because of a “reading challenge”.

I love that our creativity is not waning, but it is increasing as months and years go by. There was a reason that I asked that previous challenges not be used again. It seems that idea has worked!

*high five all around*

156thornton37814
Sep 22, 2018, 4:11pm Top

>155 SqueakyChu: I think it is getting too hard to come up with new ones. It's also getting too difficult to find books that will fit. Too many are asking for looking for something on specific pages which does not really work well on Kindle books which don't have true pages and doesn't work well on audio books. It seems to me there are fewer challenges this year with fewer participants. We are rarely going onto the 4th page, and we used to almost always need a 4th page.

157SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 22, 2018, 4:49pm Top

>156 thornton37814:

Rather than come up with new challenges, I'd suggest simple twists on old ones. Right away that makes them new ones! I seriously doubt we have almost used up every possible challenge ever to be thought of! ;)

I hear what you're saying about ebooks and audio-books. Since many of us read or listen to them, we should provide some way of including all challengers in all challenges. We might need to get creative while doing this. Your suggestions for doing so are welcome. Readers of paper books may not realize just how ebooks or audiobooks work. If any of you feel left out of a specific challenge due to this problem, please speak up so that the host can figure out a way to get everyone included.

I'm not worried about the three wiki pages instead of four pages or even about fewer challenges with fewer participants. My stats indicate a pretty steady following this year. Last year I saw a nosedive. This year not.

I just looked back at September 2017. That month we had 16 challenges. This month (September 2018) we have 18 challenges. Seems pretty steady to me!

I post the stats here for fun for you to look at. However, I keep a pretty serious eye on them, though, as I use them as an indicator if I should continue the TIOLI challenges or not. So far, I have seen no need to stop doing them. They are running strong this year, and I fully intend to continue them through 2019 unless I see a sudden drop-off in interest.

Another thing to consider is the drop-off of activity in all levels of LibraryThing. Groups lose members all the time due to inactivity. People stop following threads or don't complete challenges for many reasons. The 75ers groups used to be much more active than it is these days. I don't see that as a problem for us. We have a core group of interested individuals. Others come and go as they feel the need. That's fine with me.

Here are some interesting stats:
Average number of challenges/month per year:

2018 - 18 (year to date)
2017 - 17
2016 - 18
2015 - 22
2014 - 22
2013 - 22
2012 - 21
2011 - 20
2010 - 13

We actually picked up a little steam so far this year! :D

158Helenliz
Sep 22, 2018, 4:45pm Top

>157 SqueakyChu: that's my most frequent source of challenges; one I've seen on the sheet already but a smidgy bit different. Some challenges are worth repeating anyway.

I understand the kindle and audio book issue, as I listen to one or two books a month, but people are usually willing to accommodate this to some degree if asked. Not being a kindle reader, I'm not aware of how they function, so wouldn't necessarily word a challenge to suit them, but that's not to say I wouldn't re-word the challenge if presented with the problem it is posing.

I've not had a book so far this year I couldn't shoe-horn into a challenge somewhere. >;-)

I'm certainly still enjoying TIOLI. I may not end up with too many shared reads, but I do often see a book listed and it reminds me to pick it up, which I so a month or two later. This month I'm at 2 actual shared reads, which is loads for me!

159SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 22, 2018, 4:57pm Top

>157 SqueakyChu: I never say that a challenge cannot be repeated. Often challenges are repeated, but usually there is an explanation why. I suggest that they not be repeated. My request is merely to keep the TIOLI challenge from getting stale.

I happen to have a real shoehorn...if anyone wants it. Someone left it in my Little Free Library this month. :O

I, too, have more shared reads now that I'm playing this game the way it was intended when I started it 8 years ago. Haha! I'm also forcing myself to pick up books I normally would not have looked at. Now I'm reading The Sparrow as a book for challenge #7. I won't tell you how many years I've had that book and avoided reading it. Now that I started reading a few chapters, I'm finding it really interesting. I just had the prejudice about that book that it would be a fable. Did I ever try to read it before to see what it was really about? No! I just picked it up to look at it to see if I could "shoehorn" it into a TIOLI challenge. :)

Congrats on both of our )record-setting (?) two shared reads! :D

160jeanned
Sep 22, 2018, 5:08pm Top

>153 SqueakyChu:: Wow! I don't know that I've ever won a TIOLI award, and such a nice one too. Worth waiting for! Thank you, thank you!

161Citizenjoyce
Sep 22, 2018, 5:35pm Top

>153 SqueakyChu: senior to senior, thanks for the award. I'm always amazed that people burn in the 90s could be adults. Time flies

162quondame
Sep 22, 2018, 5:40pm Top

>161 Citizenjoyce: I'm just glad. My 1992 born daughter is such a charming adult. Not that I'm can stop acting mommish, but she is so not that teenage monster.

163quondame
Sep 22, 2018, 7:10pm Top

I have a sweep! This month I've read a number of books I would have preferred shorter and nothing I'd rush to recommend except An Informal History of the Hugos though Dreamsnake was an important book, the more so since it's ideas seem tame now - they didn't in the 1970s.

164SqueakyChu
Sep 22, 2018, 7:14pm Top

>163 quondame: Congrats, Susan!!

165owlie13
Sep 22, 2018, 10:35pm Top

>159 SqueakyChu: I received The Sparrow in SantaThing one year, and put off reading it because I thought it would be too religious and dry. I picked it up this year because it has a bird on the cover. Boy, am I glad I did! Dry is one thing this book most definitely is NOT. I've even bought the sequel.

166SqueakyChu
Sep 23, 2018, 12:01am Top

>165 owlie13: I heard the sequel to The Sparrow was really good, too. I might have to look for that book as well! :)

167FAMeulstee
Sep 23, 2018, 6:55am Top

>153 SqueakyChu: Thank you for the award, Madeline. My husband is the soccer fan, to be precise the Feyenoord fan. In my family many were traditionally also Feyenoord fans, so I went along :-) John de Wolf was one of my favorite players, when I went to the stadion to see the home games in the early 1990s.

>163 quondame: Congratulations, Susan!

168Morphidae
Sep 23, 2018, 1:34pm Top

Re: repeating challenges

I do the same challenge every year for November (the "thankful" one) and everyone seems to enjoy it. So, no, not all repeats are bad.

169SqueakyChu
Sep 23, 2018, 1:37pm Top

>168 Morphidae: I do enjoy that one. I think people not only look forward to it but also appreciate it.

170Morphidae
Edited: Sep 23, 2018, 2:25pm Top

I just looked and I did it four of the last six years and one year Citizenjoyce stepped in. So we've only had one year in the last six that didn't have the challenge. Let's see if I can beat the streak with five years in a row, eh?

>169 SqueakyChu: Don't you love how I just committed you to five more years of TIOLI? LOL!

171SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 23, 2018, 1:56pm Top

I'm still thinking about the ebook and audiobook problem.

Is there anyone here who NEVER reads a hard copy of a book and who only limits himself or herself to an e-book or a-book?

What do you suggest we do so as not to alienate folks such as yourself who don't read hard copies of books? All thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.

Is there anyone here who attempts a full sweep who would not read a hard copy of a book? For sweeplettes, it's easy enough to try for a different wiki page.

My issue is that, without using page numbers, first page, chapter heading, etc., we lose so many opportunities for fun challenges. I like when people have to search books to find one that works. That's the mean streak in me, I guess! ;)

Let us know. Thanks!

172SqueakyChu
Sep 23, 2018, 1:54pm Top

>170 Morphidae: Don't you love how I just committed you to five more years of TIOLI?

Really. LOL!!

173Helenliz
Sep 23, 2018, 1:57pm Top

>168 Morphidae: I'm with you, some challenges do merit a repeat. I've posed a repeat challenge in Novembers past to celebrate Movember, with mustaches being the requirement. No one seemed to object too loudly to a repeat. >;-)

>170 Morphidae: *snort*

174thornton37814
Sep 23, 2018, 2:49pm Top

>171 SqueakyChu: I find myself reading more and more electronically and by audio books. I don't like the way our public library's building is designed, and the convoluted way people have to enter, walking up two very long ramps and then a full hall length to enter. My knees are not what they used to be! If the academic library where I work does not own a copy, I will turn to ebooks and audiobooks offered by them before going physically to the public library.

175SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 23, 2018, 2:55pm Top

>174 thornton37814: You do a lot of our challenges. Therefore it seems that, with every challenge in the future for which we are thinking "hard copy", we must try to figure out a way to also incorporate ebooks or audio books in those challenges. Thanks for speaking up.

I avoid audio-books now because of my hearing disability so I want to be fair to all of our challengers. In the future, if you see something that seems unfair, please speak up. I'm not trying to make our challenges easier as I love them hard, but I am trying to make them accessible to all. Please help me do this by keeping all forms of books in mind when you present your challenges in the future. Thank you!

176raidergirl3
Sep 23, 2018, 2:57pm Top

I find the word page challenges hard for books I listen to on audio. I usually go to Amazon and search the 'look inside' feature, but sometimes those pages aren't available. And it's a lot of work. I'm not sure the solution. I end up ignoring some of those challenges since I'm not doing all of them anyway.

It's not that I never read hard copies, but it can be availability of books that determines if I listen or read pages.

I've only started reading ebooks now that I have an Ipad, so I can't remember the protocol for page number challenges. I know that by changing the font size, all the pages changes.

I like challenges that teach me something new about LT. Some of them are fun to research.

177SqueakyChu
Edited: Sep 23, 2018, 3:07pm Top

>176 raidergirl3: I will try to avoid page number challenges in the future, but I won't put a rule that they can't be used.

I think you should use location number, but only in the font size that you normally use for reading your ebooks.

CDs can be identified by CD number or track on each CD. However, maybe we don't need to get into that much detail by creating other challenges.

178SqueakyChu
Sep 23, 2018, 3:08pm Top

TIOLI Question of the Month:

Which book that you've read so far this month for a TIOLI challenge would you recommend to others here and why?

179quondame
Sep 23, 2018, 4:06pm Top

180paulstalder
Edited: Sep 23, 2018, 5:30pm Top

>153 SqueakyChu: Thank you very much for the awards. It was fun figuring that challenge out :). I also tried to make these flights, but there were no direct flights from one airport to the other. We seem to have a faible for unexplored places.

The BTW Award goes to neverstopreading for this challenger's insistence to fly to Indonesia, twice we had to land in Batulicin on Kalimantan, the former "Kingdom of Slippery Rock". Must be an interesting place to fly there twice in one month.

Since Madeline already gave the 'Bartender of the Month Award' to neverstopreading, I do not want to change that. But I would have given the 'Abstinent Month Award' to neverstopreading for making the challenge but not drinking a single drop. Must have been a dry month (no drinks in Batulicin, maybe).

181Helenliz
Sep 23, 2018, 4:25pm Top

Of those I've read, the most worthy was Undertones of War by Edmund Blunden. It's a memoir of WW1 and poetry written by someone who survived.

We've had 4 years of WW1 commemorations, and I find myself increasingly uncomfortable with the tone of these. They are concentrating on the dead. And while I accept that almost 10 million combatants (and a similar number of civilians) were killed in WW1, there were 65 million people who were involved from around the world in the various forces. Those that survived may not have paid the ultimate price, but that's not to say they didn't pay any price at all. They had to live with what they'd experienced, and even if the wounds were not physical that's not to say they weren't injured.

I have on my wall pictures of 2 of my great grandfathers. One was a regular service man and fought with the BEF, was captured during the retreat from Mons and was a POW in WW1. The other served 4 years on the western front and survived, I have his 3 service medals. He lived a further 50 years and never spoke about his experiences. He suffered nightmares for the rest of his life. We seem to have ignored the suffering of the survivors in the commemoration of the dead. It begs the question who suffered more? The dead suffer by dying, the living suffer for the remainder of their life - we are not in a position to judge the worth of either.

Blunden survived and writes of the events with the eye of a countryman. He describes the landscapes he finds himself in, and the natural world around him. This is contrasted with the moments of violence. The writing is so understated as to be almost unemotional. That is countered by the poetry, however. That does contain more emotion than the prose, as if the style of writing allows him to let the emotional cat out of the bag. To say I enjoyed it is the wrong word, the writing is beautiful, the subject anything but.

182Carmenere
Edited: Sep 23, 2018, 6:18pm Top

>153 SqueakyChu: congrats to klobrien and raidergirl3! Under no circumstances should you be considered anything but overachievers! LOL, I, unfortunately, didn't even start the book I posted to my own challenge and here you are with a double whammy.

183lyzard
Sep 23, 2018, 7:35pm Top

>177 SqueakyChu:

I do read a lot of ebooks but they are chiefly epub versions which do keep the page numbers (and which don't change if you change the font), and are therefore suitable for challenges. Kindle books of course have the 'location' arrangement instead of page numbers; I'm not sure about the other formats?

184SqueakyChu
Sep 23, 2018, 7:41pm Top

>181 Helenliz: Wow! That sounds like a very emotional read. Thanks for sharing all those details.

185thornton37814
Sep 23, 2018, 10:53pm Top

>178 SqueakyChu: The Illustrated History of the Snowman by Bob Eckstein - why? because it's just a fun book!

186Citizenjoyce
Sep 24, 2018, 1:31am Top

I find that I've gone from enjoying audiobooks to my reading consisting almost exclusively of E-Audiobooks. Audiobooks that I get on my phone or iPad from the library and not on CDs. I'm not a fan of page number challenges. Perhaps the challenge could reference something in the first 3 paragraphs of the third chapter or something like that.
>178 SqueakyChu: There are two books I've been telling people about this month. Gather The Daughters from Challenge 6 is relevant to the Evangelical Right's take over of US politics and what this might lead to. (Sorry, the interaction of politics and religion matters to me).
The Last Days of Night by Graham Moore in Challenge 10 tells about the competition between Thomas Edison, Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse as told by Westinghouse's lawyer, Paul Cravath. Edison, the promoter and fame seeker, Westinghouse the businessman, and the idealistic inventor Tesla fought over the invention of the light bulb and punches were not pulled. It seems these days Edison comes off worse and worse in every book I read about him. Anyway, Westinghouse and Edison were mighty cutthroat men. We've benefitted from their inventions, but if there were a heaven, I don't think they'd be welcome (kind of like Steve Jobs in his daughter's book Small Fry.

187FAMeulstee
Sep 24, 2018, 6:55am Top

>178 SqueakyChu: My best read this month was All quiet on the Western front by Erich Maria Remarque. This was the first German book I have read about WWI. And it made a big impression (5 stars).
Also notable is The Ghost Road by Pat Barker, the last book of her WWI trilogy. Her main character, dr Rivers is a psychatrist who treats soldiers back in England, with some famous poets like Billy Owen and Sigfried Sassoon as side characters.

>181 Helenliz: Since I am reading a lot about WWI at the moment, I have added the Dutch translation of Undertones of War to my library wishlist.

188raidergirl3
Sep 24, 2018, 7:40am Top

>186 Citizenjoyce: I thought The Last Days of Night was a great book. It was a lot of things - based on a true story, great scientific info, also how lawyers worked, and a mystery. I find Tesla fascinating - that line between crazy/genius.

189SqueakyChu
Sep 24, 2018, 9:34am Top

>187 FAMeulstee: i agree that All Quiet on the Western Front is an excellent book. It brings to light that the devastation at war’s end is universal even though there might seem to be a “winner” and a “loser”.

190lindapanzo
Sep 24, 2018, 12:00pm Top

>171 SqueakyChu: I rarely read an actual print book, though I do so occasionally. Maybe 1 or 2 in 10 books I read is in print. Never audio. Just Kindle.

Earlier, you mentioned how LT numbers are down. I hadn't thought about that but quite a few old LT friends never, or rarely, participate anymore, so I can believe it. Fortunately, in several instances, I get together with them or email/text them and so keep in touch.

I'm enjoying LT and TIOLI as much as ever but RL seems to get in the way too often these days. I try to fit as many books as I can, for TIOLI, but my focus every year is meeting my category challenge. I have one lagging category so an upcoming challenge will likely focus on that aspect.

191Helenliz
Sep 24, 2018, 4:07pm Top

Sweeplette claimed. Hurrah! 6 books read this month and they all fitted onto page 1.

1. Read a book with a one-word title which contains at least one double letter - Beauvallet
2. Read a work by or about a deceased playwright - The Rendezvous and Other Stories by Daphne du Maurier
3. Read a book you MUST read - The Lacuna
4. Read a book with the name of a railway station in the title - Miss Boston and Miss Hargreaves
5. Read a book with a 3 word title and there must be at least one person on the cover - Undertones of War
6. Read a book with a definite article in the title, but not at the beginning - Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

This is how I ended up reading them
1) Beauvallet was next up in my Heyer read in publication order.
2) The du Maurier I was already listening to in the car
3) The Lacuna one fits the AlphKit and RandomCat challenges in the category challenge group.
4) Miss Boston and Miss Hargreaves was a library book that got bumped up the list when I realised it fitted
5) Undertones of War was the only one I had to scour the shelves to find a title that fitted.
6) This was my challenge, set for this book.

So 3 I'd planned to read, one I'd started, one got shuffled up the list and one was found specifically to fit. I've only read 6 books this month, and they just fell right. Woo-hoo! Go me!!

192FAMeulstee
Sep 24, 2018, 4:59pm Top

>191 Helenliz: Congratulations, Helen!

193SqueakyChu
Sep 24, 2018, 6:50pm Top

>191 Helenliz: Great work! Congrats, Helen!

194quondame
Sep 24, 2018, 9:39pm Top

>51 owlie13: Does rain on the cover count? It rains all during the book and is constantly being complained of.

195DeltaQueen50
Sep 24, 2018, 10:08pm Top

I read a mix of real books, Kindle and audio books. For challenges with page numbers I also use Amazon or Google Books to see if I can find the page numbers, some Kindle books now have page numbers included so that helps. I enjoy the variety of challenges so wouldn't want anyone to not post a challenge involving page numbers. If I can't fit a book into a challenge it isn't the end of the world, although I have been known to change what I read during the month to ensure that all my books fits the TIOLI challenges!

196avatiakh
Sep 24, 2018, 11:17pm Top

>178 SqueakyChu: Best nonfiction read this month was Letters to my Palestinian Neighbor by Yossi Klein Halevi. Halevi writes ten letters, each one focusing on a different aspect of being a Jew living in Israel. I thought it was an excellent read, I especially liked the letters that focused on Judaism.
The book has been translated to Arabic and available free online to any Arab readers.

197susanna.fraser
Sep 25, 2018, 12:42am Top

>178 SqueakyChu: Spinning Silver by Naomi Novik is a beautiful fantasy novel with a trio of strong young women coming together to protect their people and their homes, and is my favorite of her books since His Majesty's Dragon.

198Citizenjoyce
Sep 25, 2018, 1:29am Top

>197 susanna.fraser: I just put Spinning Silver on hold. I'm 19th in line so probably won't be getting to it real soon.

199avatiakh
Sep 25, 2018, 5:59am Top

>197 susanna.fraser: My e-loan of Spinning Silver finally came in a couple of days ago, so I'll be placing it in October's TIOLI. Been looking forward to this, I loved Uprooted and must get back and finish her dragon series.

200klobrien2
Sep 25, 2018, 7:48pm Top

>199 avatiakh: I'm up to get an electronic copy of Spinning Silver in October, so I'll be glad to join you for a read! I loved Uprooted, too.

Karen O.

201DeltaQueen50
Sep 28, 2018, 1:12pm Top

I have completed a Sweeplette of Challenges 1 through 6. :)

202Helenliz
Sep 28, 2018, 1:23pm Top

>201 DeltaQueen50: excellent! Nice to see a handful of sweeplettes scored!

203SqueakyChu
Sep 28, 2018, 3:00pm Top

>201 DeltaQueen50: Hurray for another sweeplette! They’re fun and challenging for us slower readers, aren’t they?! Congrats on your sweeplette!

204FAMeulstee
Sep 28, 2018, 3:47pm Top

>201 DeltaQueen50: Congratulations, Judy!

205lyzard
Sep 28, 2018, 5:44pm Top

Congratulations, Judy!

I have also completed the #1 - #6 sweeplette with a mixture of challenge reading and series works:

#1: Voodoo'd by Kenneth Perkins (1931: The Year That Wouldn't Go Away)
#2: Hickory Dickory Dock by Agatha Christie (chronological challenge)
#3: The Grapes Of Wrath by John Steinbeck (best-seller challenge)
#4: The Paddington Mystery by John Rhode (#1 in the Dr Priestley series, long MIA)
#5: The Plumley Inheritance by Christopher Bush (#1 in the Ludovic Travers series, also long MIA)
#6: Flowers For The Judge by Margery Allingham (#7 in the Albert Campion series)

I came close to a real sweep this month, but unfortunately I found a couple of gaps I couldn't fill without ILLs, which would take too long.

206SqueakyChu
Sep 28, 2018, 7:09pm Top

>205 lyzard: Welcome to our group of slowerreaders, Liz. :). Congrats on your first sweeplette!

207susanna.fraser
Sep 28, 2018, 11:23pm Top

Congratulations to my fellow sweepletters!

208lyzard
Sep 29, 2018, 12:00am Top

Thank you both. :)

209Carmenere
Sep 29, 2018, 9:03am Top

Congrats to all sweepers and sweepletters.
I was just stunned to see September is almost all gone and a new thread must be up for October :0} Zzzzzip off I go!

210Morphidae
Sep 29, 2018, 3:12pm Top

>12 Carmenere: This probably won't work but I'll give it a shot for a sweeplette. Would Dark Prince by Christine Feehan/Fresh Prince of Bel-Air work? Prince can be a person or pet's name.

211Carmenere
Sep 29, 2018, 4:14pm Top

>210 Morphidae: Yeah, I think it fits the bill.

212FAMeulstee
Sep 29, 2018, 6:45pm Top

Congratulations, Liz!

213DeltaQueen50
Edited: Sep 29, 2018, 7:48pm Top

Congratulations, Liz. I don't know if I will ever be able to complete another sweep, but it's fun to have the sweeplette to work towards so thanks to Anita for keeping track of our successes.

214lyzard
Sep 29, 2018, 7:49pm Top

>212 FAMeulstee:, >213 DeltaQueen50:

Thank you, ladies! :)

215FAMeulstee
Sep 30, 2018, 10:32am Top

>178 SqueakyChu: Adding one more book to my best reads this month, I just finished The World of Yesterday by Stefan Zweig, his autobiograpy, finished just before he committed suïcide in 1942. Austrian, Jew, Humanist, European, describing his years between 1890 and 1940, turbulent times starting in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, into WW I, followed by the roaring twenties, the rise of the Nazi's and the start of WW II.

216calm
Sep 30, 2018, 11:25am Top

I've just completed my first ever sweep ... but I didn't read any chunksters this month.

But I can finally answer >178 SqueakyChu: The Good Women of China by Xinran. This was a re-read but it was so much better than I remembered, a harrowing but honest look at life for women before, during and after the Cultural Revolution in China.

217FAMeulstee
Sep 30, 2018, 12:19pm Top

>216 calm: Congratulations on your first sweep, calm!!!

And I just noticed Dejah_Thoris didn't report her sweep here yet, congratulations, Dejah!

218calm
Sep 30, 2018, 12:40pm Top

>217 FAMeulstee: thank you. I was quite surprised myself:)

219quondame
Sep 30, 2018, 1:00pm Top

>216 calm: Congratulations! This was a very challenging month!

220calm
Sep 30, 2018, 1:28pm Top

>219 quondame: I actually thought it was one of the easier months with only 18 challenges!

So often I cannot find a book to fit a challenge most months and normally read only 12-14 books a month so didn't ever think that I would join the ranks of sweepers.

When it go to the middle of last week and I had completed a sweeplette and only needed to read three more books for a sweep I looked for the shortest books I could find to fit the remaining challenges :)

221Helenliz
Sep 30, 2018, 2:13pm Top

>216 calm: Brilliant!
>220 calm: cherry picking short books is entirely sensible behaviour. >:-)

222SqueakyChu
Sep 30, 2018, 7:39pm Top

>216 calm: Congrats on your sweep! What a great accomplishment. I've been looking for all thin books for my sweeplettes. That certainly helps! Haha!

I had a former doctor recommend The Good Women of China. It's one of those books that I never seem to get to. I'm glad you got to enjoy it twice!

223SqueakyChu
Sep 30, 2018, 7:59pm Top

Housekeeping Day!

Remember to delete any book from the wiki if you don't finish it by 12 midnight tonight. Thank you!

224susanna.fraser
Sep 30, 2018, 11:30pm Top

>216 calm: Congratulations!

225quondame
Oct 1, 2018, 1:57am Top

>220 calm: I found fewer "suggestions" than most months - books already listed that I just could share. Also, I got caught in a couple of longer or slower books this month.

226Citizenjoyce
Oct 1, 2018, 2:11am Top

Whew, I managed to finish my sweep at almost the last minute, but not happily. The last 2 books I read, Sun Storm and Prayers for Rain both had terrible bad guys who psychologically destroy women. You know pretty early in the book that they're terrible people, even if you're not sure who they are. But for absolutely no reason, as if one needed more than the destruction of a woman's psyche or even her life for you to realize that the bad guy really is bad, both guys end up killing the dog. There is no reason to introduce a dog, get the characters to love it and then kill it when you already know the villain is a villain. I gave the first book 1/2 star and the second 1. I would have rated them far higher, but I'm really done with this gratuitous animal abuse.
On a maybe more practical topic, when I went to edit the wiki I was locked out for a while. I hope this isn't an indication that someone is hacking it again.

227FAMeulstee
Oct 1, 2018, 2:36am Top

>226 Citizenjoyce: Congratulations on your sweep, Joyce!
Yes, there was someone spamming the wiki again, but it was caught early.

228SqueakyChu
Oct 1, 2018, 10:01am Top

>226 Citizenjoyce: Congrats, Joyce!

229Dejah_Thoris
Oct 1, 2018, 12:40pm Top

Congratulations to all the Sweepers and Sweepleters!

230neverstopreading
Oct 1, 2018, 3:11pm Top

Wow, I have a lot of catching up to do.

I faded away a bit this month, but I'll be back. There's still time to make an October challenge!

231Morphidae
Oct 1, 2018, 8:05pm Top

I don't suppose anyone has a copy of Serpentine by Laurell K. Hamilton who can check page 21 for me for a celestial reference?

232jeanned
Edited: Oct 2, 2018, 1:04am Top

I was out of town on Sunday, visiting my daughter, reading Fear, when the kindle died. I thought, oh well, there's a challenge I can fit it in for October. Got home to discover that I had finished it, all that remained (33% of the ebook!!!) were photos, acknowledgements, bibliography, and index. Tada!

233paulstalder
Oct 2, 2018, 2:57am Top

>231 Morphidae: Can you wait three or four days? I can get hold of a copy till then.

234SqueakyChu
Oct 2, 2018, 10:16am Top

>232 jeanned: Perfect!!

235Morphidae
Oct 2, 2018, 11:28am Top

>233 paulstalder: It would be awesome if you could but the wait time is up to >234 SqueakyChu:.

236SqueakyChu
Oct 2, 2018, 12:38pm Top

>235 Morphidae: >233 paulstalder: Morphy, I'll wait. Let me know when it's okay to start the stats.

237Morphidae
Oct 2, 2018, 1:10pm Top

>236 SqueakyChu: Thank you! *blows kisses*

238katiekrug
Oct 2, 2018, 1:17pm Top

Morphy, page 21 is available for viewing with the "Look Inside!" feature of the hardcover edition on Amazon.

239Citizenjoyce
Oct 2, 2018, 1:40pm Top

>232 jeanned: Yay, a little gift from the book goddess.

240SqueakyChu
Oct 2, 2018, 1:42pm Top

>238 katiekrug: Good find! I tried looking it up on Google books, but there were no page numbers!

241Morphidae
Oct 2, 2018, 4:31pm Top

>240 SqueakyChu: I'm out of luck. No references. Go ahead and finalize!

>238 katiekrug: That was awesome. Thanks!

>233 paulstalder: Thank you again for the offer.

242SqueakyChu
Edited: Oct 2, 2018, 4:51pm Top

>241 Morphidae: Sorry! Will do.

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