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Folio Society just announced on twitter they have a big surprise coming later today? Any guesses what they may be referring to?
Interesting! Would be cool if it was something like the release of more books! But hard to tell...
It's probably a new release of the Aeneid, Leaves of Grass and Sassoon for World Poetry Day.
Whoa! They just tweeted that Winter is Coming to Folio! I would definitely be interested in buying the Song of Ice and Fire Series!
It is A Game of Thrones. Doesn’t say if it is just the first book but I assume it will be the whole series of ASOIAF (at least what is written).
Wow. Big news. Big win for the Folio Society. That is going to sell tremendously well.
This would definitely be good news for FS coffers as the series has huge fan-following. Would be interesting if there is original artwork and binding/maps.
I love the books but don’t see the point in buying them if it’s an incomplete series...did sign up to get updates though
Yes, I think it would be a better idea not to sell them in one boxset, considering there may be more to come. I would prefer individual slipcases for each one, but who am I kidding? I'll buy it regardless lol.
Duly registered my interest. It was bigger news than I was anticipating, I have to admit, but I have many questions.
Edited to add:
According to their Twitter webpage, apparently I'll be the first to know more. I'll try to keep you guys updated ...
I'll be honest, and think this just devalues the brand. It will sell well, and make money in the short term. I guess they are hoping it will convert new readers into buying folio books
If this is true, I am all for it. I don't even have the paperbacks and have been hoping for a FS series. I think they will get enough demand for them to continue through the series and I'll collect them all, so long as they are not LE's and ridiculously priced. I've been putting off finding a nice hardcover set since it is taking Martin an eternity to finish up the series and prefer the books to match. But if they put out one or two a year, that should at least give him some wiggle time! lol
>17 DMulvee: I don't see how Martin's work is less worthy of a Folio edition than, for example, C.S. Forester's or Frank Herbert's. And if we're talking about brand devaluation it's hard to look past the very successful Bond sequence.
I am all in if they do the series in some fashion. With the final season about to start on HBO, they won't even have to promote it. This should bring wider acceptance of the FS. This is a bold confident move for the FS.
I have not read any of these but a FS version will get my attention.
ASOIAF is superior to a lot of the modern stuff the FS publishes. I even love the supposed boring later books.
The major concern is that we'll be left with an incomplete set. Even if the 6th and 7th books are ever finished, HarperCollins will have rights on them for a long time I would have thought.
Will FS even exist in 10 years time?
Another thing interesting about all this is that it marks one of the first times, as far as I'm aware, when Folio have hyped a book up months in advance of release. For reasons lost on me, they generally prefer doing silly 'mystery' shots of a book stack or a close-up of some cover or other. Pretty much every other publisher on Earth hypes their products in advance as standard marketing. Could the FS at last be entering the 21st century?
I tried reading the first book and couldn't get very far. I found the initial villain to be ridiculous. And I watched the first few eps of the series, which were way too intense for me. So I'm not a fan.
That said, I think this is a terrific move for FS and I'm glad they're doing it, both for their sake and for GRRM readers' sakes.
With the final series appearing in less than a month they'd be crazy not to try to latch onto the 'hype' as it were. I'd wonder what they were paying their marketing personnel if they hadn't.
As for the books - the first three were absolutely riveting stuff. The latter two were, frankly, bad. Very bad. The author seems to have written himself into a corner with the numerous plots and lost interest in actually seeing out the remaining two books. I don't have high expectation for a written conclusion to be released in this lifetime. Having said all that, if FS delivers on the art and design, I'll definitely be purchasing AGoT.
-edit. Oh, and a more general note... diminishing the FS brand? Due to popularity? The sort of readers that it may attract? For those that have such worries - why?
I really hope not. My current order also seems to be running late and if this is a sign of how deliveries will be handled going forward I'm definitely going to be cutting down on purchases in the future.
Folio mentions 'A Game of Thrones', which is the first volume only. I'm pretty certain it's an indication that Folio Society plans to publish it single volume at a time, which probably means they will get to the 5th volume in 2023, so hey maybe by then the remaining 2 volumes will be out - or maybe not. Or maybe that is an indication that Folio hasn't decided on whether they will publish the whole series.
As for copyright problem, well doesn't the author still own it since he is still alive, or has he sold the copyright to HarperCollins? I'm not familiar with this part of copyright, is it possible to sell the copyright on books that have not even been written?
Despite having barely read the series, I do think that it does not devalue the Folio Society brand name. My argument is that I think the popularity of the series says a lot about its impact on an era. It's not as if it's fifty shades of grey anyway, as remarked on above. I do think that almost any work which has impacted a generation on such a scale - from Tolkien to Rowling - deserves a read, just to learn a bit about the age. Perhaps that's just my opinion but I remain steadfast to it.
Seriously, I'd be grateful if someone knowledgeable could discuss the literary merit of these books. I enjoy and appreciate Tolkien and hey, Martin's initials, with incredible coincidence, just happen to be J. R. R. So I'm hopeful.
I read the first book. I found the prose utterly workmanlike, adequate enough for genre fiction but without any literary merit, originality, or special insight. But I don't rate Tolkien highly either and in general have a great aversion to modern fantasy--compared to the literature that inspires and informs it, the genuine epics and myths, it's so much trifling kitsch.
That said, it's easy to see why the series is popular and I for one wouldn't grudge Martin publication by Folio, especially, as has been noted already, given the precedents.
I actually think time since publication is a good indicator. If 50 years after publishing people are still reading then it must have some merit. I'm not a fan of Ian Fleming's James Bond books, but it has lasted.
I guess the Folio society view themselves as making the best possible version of a book, whereas I would prefer for them to make the best possible versions of the best books. Other books such as Mary Beard's 'SPQR' also frustrated me, though I think that non-fiction shouldn't need to last as long to be considered a classic as the latest research can be included.
>28 Lim_See_Min: "Folio mentions 'A Game of Thrones', which is the first volume only. I'm pretty certain it's an indication that Folio Society plans to publish it single volume at a time, which probably means they will get to the 5th volume in 2023, so hey maybe by then the remaining 2 volumes will be out - or maybe not"
The third and fifth books are both pretty unwieldy, and are usually issued in two volumes when in paperback. 1000 pages would be rather large for a FS edition! FS could of course choose to issue these two books as two-volumes-in-a-slipcase, but there is also the option of taking 7 years to publish the series, increasing the possibility of the final two books being ready...
I have always thought it was prescient of the author's parents to give him two R's as middle initials, thus inviting comparisons with another fantasy author...
Martin is an AWFUL writer, but this will definitely make money for them, which is good for when they publish books I am interested in.
Sadly, the very books that led to Folio's decline and the subsequent removal of membership, are the books I love the most. I'll settle for any amount of books I don't want to land a few that I do. I'm all for publishing this series (and I won't rule out buying it, if the FAD gremlin makes me want to like it). Folio has seemingly always published popular titles 15-20 years after initial release.
I mostly agree with you. I read the Hobbit and feel that it is an inspirational story, originally written and has all the charm of a Saga. I did not feel the same about the Lord of the Rings and based on a preview of Martin's work, would not risk purchasing a Folio priced volume without significant sale.
No doubt this will be an expensive set. If it costs as much as "Dune", or "American Gods", I'll have to pass.
Awful is a bit harsh. Compared to the obvious (Tolkien), I found Martin's ability to detail a scene is awful; in the first book or three, how many times did two groups of people approach each other and then have pages of inane detail about banners and flag pictures and colors, armor and horses? However, I did find Martin to be much better at character interaction and variety (not to be confused with character development - most are still two dimensional, but the sum of interactions over five books are not two dimensional). But yes, compared to classical writers, he's not winning any prizes.
Thanks, everyone, for your views of Martin. I'll probably pass on these and hang on for the Dan Brown set.
Please take my money.
Edit : what a buggy website. Cant register interest in Chrome, had to go IE.
Considering all things, probably, but in ten more years the Twilight Saga could be up to bat.
I was actually referring to their popularity and not at all commenting on the writing.. It’s not wrong to say that George R. R. Martin has a nearly cult-like following similar to Tolkien and Rowling, if not exactly comparable. (Which is what has led so many here to say it will certainly sell well). I don’t think popularity says that much about the writing anyways but I am sure it says something about those who like it.
But there is already a nice slipcased, leatherbound, gilded edges edition available.
The four of five illustrations per volume that a Folio edition might have don't have any added value to me.
>43 joco30: Red cow-cladding in a generic design doesn't have any added value for me.
There seem to be a huge number of different editions of these books already, from paperbacks to leather bound limited editions. Martin seems to have licensed his work to any publisher willing to print them. Not sure that the FS will be able to compete on price as some editions seem to ne very good value (eg. Five volume leather bound, gilt page edges, boxed set for US$400).
By the way, his initials are GRR not JRR.
If the illustrations were good enough, I would actually consider a Hunger Games set from Folio.
Not being sarcastic here!
I would much rather see a Harry Potter set myself produced by FS. It's a completed storyline, well written and appeals to all ages. I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet.
I would be tempted by that as well, but the new larger hardcover illustrated Harry Potter editions are kind of fulfilling that need for me. They're not "fine" editions, but are beautifully illustrated and have the placeholder ribbons. There are 3 out so far. They were coming out regularly 1 per year, but the 4th has been delayed, possibly because that's when the books start to get a lot longer, so the illustrator had his work cut out for him!
>48 amysisson: amysisson:
Yes, those are very nice editions and I have been tempted to buy those in the past. Kudos to the illustrator for having their work cut out for them. Having the FS treatment done to the Harry Potter series though would make them the best available editions anywhere.
The fourth one can be pre-ordered, presently. It's coming out in the Fall.
>47 Eastonorfolio: >48 amysisson: Bloomsbury have also made special ‘deluxe’ collector’s editions of the Jim Kay illustrated Harry Potter volumes which have slipcases, cloth and gilt covers, upgraded paper, etc, which probably do qualify as fine editions (certainly price-wise, ha). I suspect it unlikely FS would find it worthwhile to compete with those - they are quite lovely.
Folio must be able to put out a truly good collectors edition. I will not bite though at a presently unfinished series. I have no interest to join the frustrated hordes and for now stick with the TV-series.
Is someone going to publish the 20th anniversary of Hyperion? Subterranean Press published a limited edition years ago, but had no illustrations, a version like "The Left Hand of Darkness" published by Folio Society, would be great.
'genre fiction'/'literary merit'
are these two incompatibile?
edit: that wasn't meant to be a question for Lola alone, more a general discussion. Which might have happened in a previous thread, in which case, please point me there.
I would use the metaphor of music, in that I do not, personally, regard reggae as inherently superior to classical, which is not inherently superior to ragtime, and so on.
There is good music and bad music but the genre does not necessarily have much to do with that, is my point.
I'm glad they're going to publish it. I'm probably not gonna buy it, but any good news for the Folio Society is heartwarming.
The quality, genre and cover design of books have all gone up recently, and I believe that stems a lot from publishing popular fiction like Dune, the Mort Series, American Gods, etc. Clearly they've found a formula that works. And that doesn't stop them from publishing books from other genres, as well. So, it's a win-win situation for all parties.
While I love my books from the 'old days', the books they're publishing these days feel more fitting to their time. American Gods, We, The Little Prince, The Alchemist, among many others, are really great-looking books.
If publishing more current fiction enables FS to continue publishing the classics, history, philosophy, art, science, etc., then I am all for it.
Good point. 'Popular' doesn't have to be
If we admit the existence of such a quality as "literary merit", then "workmanlike" prose, surely, is heavily inimical to it if not actually fatal by definition. A quality of prose that's adequate for genre fiction to me would signify something competent enough that many devotees of the genre, be it science fiction, horror, romance or whatever, would enjoy and/or value the book despite the lack of style or distinctiveness in its writing.
The point isn't that literary merit and genre fiction are incompatible in any way, but that much genre fiction can and does get by, indeed may even achieve classic status within its genre, while not having much at all to recommend it to anybody who isn't drawn to that genre. Not that there's only one way for a book to work as genre fiction - it might be a rollicking good tale with a particular setting, it might play with or upon its readers' expectations of the genre's conventions, to name a couple of possible elements. In either or any case its prose might be agile, graceful and rewarding, or just about fit for purpose, or barely that.
So first off, I wonder how this will compare to the Subterranean Press editions?
The SP editions are limited, signed by the artist as well as G.R.R.M. They have published every Game of Thrones related books and all have been signed. They have announced a signed limited edition of Winds of Winter. Each SP edition has lots of B&W illustrations that include chapter heads and vignettes, as well as a few (typically 3-4) full-color illustrations by superb artists such as Ted Naismith who did the illustrations for the first book in the series
Will the FS editions be limited? Will it be signed? While the SP edition is signed and limited, I have a feeling the FS edition will not be limited. Demand will likely be very large, although I would imagine if they did also release a limited edition, it would sell out in a blink.
As for the quality of the writing, well, that is of course debatable. I think we can all agree Tolkien's influence is undeniable. But, there are of course people that claim Tokien is overrated. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some people do not like GRRM and that is fine too. However, saying "GRRM devalues the brand" ...WOW that comes off as so pretentious. Again, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, and I think any notion of GRRM and "devaluation" is asinine. For the record, GRRM is a Tolkien fan
"Tolkien had an enormous influence on me, but after Tolkien there was a dark period in the history of epic fantasy where there were a lot of Tolkien imitations coming out that were terrible,” he says. “I didn’t necessarily want to be associated with those books, which just seemed to me to be imitating the worst things of Tolkien and not capturing any of the great things."
Yes, Tolkien's works has its lows as well as greats. Same with GRRM. When I started reading Game of Thrones, in the first few chapters I thought "I'm not going to like this..." and I ended up really loving it. The first three books I thought were some of the best fantasy I have ever read, with the third novel, "A Storm of Swords", being the zenith. Which is not to say that I don't find fault in his writings, I do, but overall it has been a real pleasure to read.
So, I am certainly going to keep an eager eye on this exciting FS development! My recommendation to anyone that likes fantasy is to know that GRRM's writing is gritty and intense (in good ways). Simply put, I would recommend people to give it a try and see if you like it. Now, if only he finally finishes up the sixth book and the series!!
Thanks for the insight. I want to like fiction in general and struggle when the writing isn't superb, only because my mind typically runs ahead of what I'm reading like some sort of disorder in most cases. I need a shock or appreciation of the intellectual insight to stay grounded. That's why the classics or horror, typically Le Fanu... Anyway, part of me wants to like these books because I love the setting and because of you, again I shall try. Perhaps I'll buy a cheap copy and give it a whirl.
I want to like fiction in general and struggle when the writing isn't superb....
It's funny, but that's exactly how I feel about nonfiction! I want to like it more, but if the book isn't gripping, it doesn't work for me.
>61 astropi: Folio have stated it will be a collector's edition. I'm reading that as on par with American Gods/Dune in price, and would expect production quality to be around that point as well.
>60 terebinth: You seem to suggest that there is genre literature, in which literary merit is the criterium for entering, as opposed to genre fiction. I'm wondering what the definition of that seperate genre might be, and on what basis books would be included or excluded. Is it simply a matter of 'anything not horror/scifi/fantasy'? Because that sounds more like personal preference (though the preference is not uncommon).
Not trying to be pedantic, but laying out the terms as I understand them: Genre fiction refers to fiction that falls into precise categories and often, but not always, follows a certain formula.
Literary fiction tends to be that which focuses mostly on character. Commercial fiction tends to focus on plot.
Genre fiction can be literary or commercial. It is traditionally commercial, but not always so.
From the teacher angle, I tend to ask myself if a book is "teachable." That is, does it have sufficient depth that I can discuss it with my class. If so, then I generally think of it as literature.
I'd put forth Jonathan Lethem, Michael Chabon, and (obviously) Margaret Atwood as modern authors who have managed to write books that are both genre fiction and literary fiction.
Folio Society defines their works as "Timeless Classics". Time may end up favouring these books, but I think it is too soon to give any book recently published this attribute.
I am not commenting negatively on a Game of Thrones thread. This thread is about the surprise: Folio published a tweet stating that there would be a big surprise which raised my hopes. Given it was something that left me underwhelmed I think it is fair and acceptable that I comment. You state that my views come across as "pretentious" and I can understand why, however different people can have different views about the same event.
>64 Fierylunar: You seem to suggest that there is genre literature...I'm wondering what the definition of that seperate genre might be, and on what basis books would be included or excluded. Is it simply a matter of 'anything not horror/scifi/fantasy'?
I didn't intend to suggest that, and certainly wouldn't go to bat on behalf of 'anything not horror/scifi/fantasy', which would let in Jilly Cooper, Hank Janson, Ayn Rand... I could go on.
I'd be more in favour of an approach resembling Ed Dorn's just about tongue-in-cheek suggestion for grading poetry by borrowing the categories used for meat: Prime, Choice, Good, Commercial, Utility, Canners. The more literary merit, the nearer to Prime, though there'll never be full agreement as to the worth of a particular work and insofar as there is any consensus at all it will be likely enough to shift somewhat from one generation to the next. But sc-fi or horror, historical fiction or romance, realistic fiction set in the present day, novels with elements of various genres such as to defy categorization... any of these can be good, bad or indifferent, any can be Prime or Canners or anything in between.
I view the announcement regarding Game of Thrones as a positive on two levels. First, it is a wildly popular book and I hope, therfore, that it will be a financial success for the Folio Society. If so, that is good news for all of us, no matter our personal tastes as the continued financial success of the Folio Society is in all of our interest. They seem to have found a bit of success with "genre" fiction of late. Great for Folio and lovers of such fiction. And if it help them continue to publish a wide array of books that satisfies other tastes, better yet.
Second, I am a fan of the ASOIAF series. I picked it up in 2011 following the first season of the HBO show and binge read all five books over the next two months. That said, I agree with the comments of "astropi" above that the first three books were a lot of fun but the last two more of a slog. So for those thinking of giving the books a try, if you don't like the first one, you should probably stop reading them. My first love is "literature," be it classic or more modern. But sometimes, a good story, well told, is what I want. And I have found ASOIAF a good story.
Finally, the fact that I have been tempted, within just a few recent weeks, with publications of Rabelais, Sappho and Martin is part of what I like about Folio.
The “Collector’s Editions” were for a couple of years small unslipcased, unjacketed editions that by being cheaper attempted to attract a different group of book buyers. That experiment has apparently failed as none have been issued for about two years.
I suspect the term “collector’s edition” now has a new meaning somewhere between standard and fine edition.
The books you refer to were, I believe, the Folio Collectables (sometimes referred to here as the Uncollectables), not the same as the collector’s editions which began with Dune, IIRC.
>65 Jason461:, >67 terebinth: Thanks for your explanations, this is a discussion that seems to pop up often and people's views can vary wildly. My post was a bit provocative maybe, if so: I apologise. It's an intriguing debate, where there is no right or wrong (despite some suggesting there is).
>69 wcarter: American Gods, Dune, Moby Dick and Do Androids/A Scanner Darkly feature the words "collector's edition" on the FS website (Candide and Ulysses are marketed as "fine edition"). I'm assuming they mean the same for Game of Thrones, i.e.: same production standards and a price around 75 GBP UK = 83 GBP ROW.
>71 Fierylunar: Stuart Little is also marked as a collector's edition (29.95 GBP ROW). As are The Shining (54,95 GBP ROW) and Hundred and One Dalmatians (43.95 GBP ROW)
But i assume you're right in that the price will probably be more around 82.95 GBP ROW
Hmm...I wonder if it will be that cheap? I expect the royalties for Game of Thrones will be much much higher.
To me, the expression collector's edition seems to be rather a marketing term for books which aims to convince customers who usually do not buy expensive books but might want a good quality edition of one of their favourites. As with ‘fine edition', folio doesn't seem to apply the term consistently.
The problem with making a single FS run of GoT without doing all the other books is that it in no way stands alone as a literary work. It is an introduction to a very complex and multi-layered story. You cannot pick up book 3 without reading book 2 and 1. You wouldn't have the slightest idea what the story is about and the first book does not end on a note, like The Hobbit, allowing it to be read alone and you feel you have read a complete story. The story has a very long way to go. If FS cannot commit to the entire series, which isn't even written yet and at this point many wonder if it ever will be, it isn't worth purchasing.
It's funny, because I don't feel that Non-Fiction has some sort of superior value. I don't know if it's because I travel with them better or not, but a good dry history helps me take the wheels off the wagon. I don't feel the need to learn anything from it, I just pick up whatever my mind wants and keep moving along. For some reason I feel the need to be pleased by fiction?
Thank you, both.
(I'm not ignoring the others who chipped in, I appreciate your contributions, I just haven't got around to processing them yet :-))
It's probably one of those ultimately intractable questions.
The specific impulse for my question was that I recently read M*A*S*H, which is very good and a compelling page-turner, and it inspired me to get stuck into Catch-22, which is a step-beyond. But I am struggling to capture just what it is about the two books that makes such a difference.
M*A*S*H seems 'workmanlike' in that it does a satisfactory job of communicating the experiences of its characters in a situation for which they were never prepared. But it lacks something.
Catch-22, in ways that I can't yet express clearly, goes way beyond that. It takes its characters into some new level of experience. Perhaps it's because it takes you into the characters' heads to a degree that M*A*S*H doesn't but as yet I'm not quite sure how.
I come back to music again. Sometimes a tune will stick in your head and you will whistle it; sometimes a tune will lock you to your seat and you just have to sit there and cry.
But then, I'm an old softie. :-)
P.S. Gormenghast is another example. It's fantasy but something more besides.
Now we need a definition of a Folio "fine" edition.
>79 folio_books: Now we need a definition of a Folio "fine" edition.
All Folio editions that are not Collectibles, Collector's Editions or Limited Editions?
I always thought the Fine Editions are anything that requires extra detail or better material...
The Yangtze Valley and Beyond
If Not, Winter
But then, Da Vinci is called a Collector's edition and it has leather...?
So my guess is, whatever Folio paid a bit extra to produce and needs to gain added premium for. Or, perhaps anything they can add a premium to, because they think they'll sell anyway.
refer back to question from
In any case, despite some hesitation, I registered. I think my library could use an infusion of fiction and I think I could get along with these books.
I am not surprised by this at all. Folio have been moving this way for a long time.
I received an email showing a few of the illustrations / chapter headings, no mention of the artist yet. They look nice.
Well I already have seen this, which confirms that I will be the first to know ;)
I think they look quite nice and the binding is hopefully in that same vain.
>85 SF-72: Yup got the email. The chapter header designs look amazing. Looking forward to seeing more details.
The e-mail still only talked about "A Game of Thrones", no mention of "A Song of Ice and Fire".
>88 dfmorgan: I think it will just be the single edition rather than a box set of the incomplete series. Perhaps an edition every year.
>66 DMulvee: You do realise that A Game Of Thrones was first published 23 years ago? Within the genre of Fantasy, it has withstood the test of time.
Hm. I signed up to receive updates but didn't receive an email. Have they posted the info anywhere?
>91I was supposed to be the first to know and I haven't received anything either. I would like to see what we were left out of if it is posted somewhere.
>91 wdripp: I just checked the Preference Centre on my account and notifications through post and email we're turned off again. I haven't turned it off but this is the third time it has happened to me. Not sure if the same has happened to you. I don't think they like me. I never got a birthday voucher last year or a magazine with my spring order either.
Thanks for the suggestion. I signed up as well and haven't received an email. I just checked my account and my contact preferences had all been turned off without my knowledge. Arg.
>93 HermeticHermit: I did unsubscribe to their spammy emails, but assumed since I responded to an offer to be notifed about GoT news, that I would get GoT-related email. But really, given how terrible the website and communication from FS has become, I can't say I'm surprised.
>94 jsavoy: same here - I was wondering why I hadn't received any brochures for a while. Everything was switched to "no" in the Preference Centre.
Some artwork has just been revealed through the omnichannels for those who missed it earlier. Looking at the amount of artwork (initials, two-tone throughout) this is gonna be more expensive than, say, Dune. I'd be surprised for it to come in under 100GBP, and would expect a price more on par with Ulysses/Finnegans Wake, if not higher.
You might be right about the price. Folio looked into the market of these titles and have thought about upping the ante rather than settling. Collector's edition, probably 11" tall, new artwork... If I had to guess, 175-200 USD is probably the ballpark, as you suggested.
This echoes my own thoughts and I noticed somewhere it now bears the title of a "Collector's Edition". I'm resigned to £120 UK minimum.
It doesn't even have 3 heads. As its upoosed to be the Targeryn Crest this is a basic mistake!
I've enjoyed the "A Song of Ice and Fire" series, and I signed up for the news updates from FS, but I'm doubtful whether I would buy FS editions of the series given its unfinished character.
105: that's the cost of the signed, limited edition Subterranean Press editions. Assuming these are not signed I think $100 will be more like it, and even that is a bit pricey.
Hope you're right, because it is pricey... Anansi Boys has new artwork and is probably the same production level, but it seems like less pages than A Game of Thrones. I can't imagine Folio selling a more popular title with all the trimmings for any less than those books recently done from Gaiman's catalog.
>104 Uppernorwood: Non of the designs look anything like the house sigils. Why do you think the chapter header is meant yo be a house sigil?
From e-mail received this morning:-
It’s time to reveal that the incredibly talented Jonathan Burton is the illustrator for our edition of A Game of Thrones. His spectacular artwork includes 16 full-colour illustrations.
‘Illustrating A Game of Thrones became much more involved than I ever imagined ... I threw myself into this world 100% and relished its rich and strange visual atmosphere bringing together medieval romanticism, dark drama and chilling horror. Delicious.’
For the introduction, we’re proud to announce best-selling fantasy writer Joe Abercrombie. Author of the internationally acclaimed The First Law Trilogy, Joe has an encyclopaedic knowledge of George R. R. Martin’s fantasy world.
‘A Game of Thrones proved to me you could do something gritty, shocking and character-focused while still writing epic fantasy. I’m delighted to be providing an introduction to a book that was one of my biggest inspirations.’
Excellent choice of illustrator. I'm a great admirer of Burton's work.
Underwhelmed by the example illustration included in the email. Very generic stuff, IMO. I suppose the chapter banners should have been a forewarning. As any possible purchase hinged directly on the quality of the artwork, this is looking like it's going to be a pass.
Having said that, nice catch they got for the introduction. Abercrombie is awesome.
Well fish only ever appear in the story in the context of the Tully Sigil.
We'll know for sure if there are any lion illustrations, because there aren't an actual lions in the story so far.
I'm not very impressed by the illustrations either. But barring the very best, most stylish illustrators, I get Folio Society books for their typesetting more than for the illustrations. Blasphemous, I know.
So, continuing the conversation on the price of this book; 'The Travels' was just released as a "Collector's Edition" for $125 US. That's a pretty loaded book as far as production goes, but the illustrations are not new and commissioning was fairly standard. I'm not sure that it will reach the James Joyce level in price, but I assume 'A Game of Thrones' is going to go for more than Dune or the Gaiman titles by just a bit.
>115 The_Toad_Revolt_of84: Bear in mind that The Travels of Marco Polo uses a new translation and reproducing 84 miniatures in the text, if done properly, doesn't come cheap. Oddly, The FS website doesn't tell us anything about the paper used. A glossy art paper would best show the miniatures, but shiny paper isn't pleasant for reading text. More worryingly, there's no mention of any maps, and no sign of one on the endpapers as far as can be seen on the website. More information here would be helpful, particularly as it's such an expensive volume. It's a shame the Folio website shows such few images. A video would be ideal.
I agree with everything you said. The translation was done in 2015, so it was most likely came with some heftier rights pricing. The maps would be a nice inclusion and they really should include better description on a volume such as this and priced where it is. It definitely seems like they hucked the page out 3 hours before rolling out the collection. With all of that said; I went ahead and purchased it anyway.
A Game of Thrones is a longer book though, so I still think it's going to be more than these other "Collector's Editions" as they are being deemed.
>117 The_Toad_Revolt_of84: A Game of Thrones is a longer book though
Is it really? Significantly longer than Dune?
Also, I didn't get the comparison to Marco Polo implying that A Game of Thrones should be more costly because of newly commissioned illustrations. Dune and American Gods had newly commissioned illustrations. So I still don't see any obvious reason why AGoT must cost more than Dune/American Gods. Of course, there could be potential reasons for higher pricing - for example, if Martin or his publisher charge much more than Gaiman, but I don't think any of us really know that.
>118 elladan0891: Is it really? Significantly longer than Dune?
A Game of Thrones is ~298K words
Dune is ~180-190K words
So yeah, it is longer. By ~half of Dune.
Obviously the font and size will make a differences but I cannot imagine Folio using a small font to save pages...
Interesting. I don't own any editions of AGoT and doubt I ever will, but I remember seeing them at bookstores, and they looked about the thickness of Dune. Just checked amazon quickly, and the number of pages is about the same, so my visual impression seems to be right. I guess print size is quite different if there is such a difference in word count. So looks like you're both right and Folio will have to spend more money on paper and ink, although I suspect that this extra material cost is very low - a few bucks per book at most.
>120 The_Toad_Revolt_of84: the illustrations in Marco Polo were not commissioned
This is what I don't understand - what does Marco Polo have to do with this?
The logic as I follow it is this:
1) Marco Polo costs X, and Folio didn't have to commission new illustrations
2) As they had to commission new illustrations for AGoT, it would cost X + Y
But this is a false logic, as Dune and American Gods had newly commissioned illustrations, and they were still priced at X, not X + Y
Valid apples to apples comparisons would be against Dune and American Gods, not Marco Polo
Well, It is a "Collector's Edition" and I made note of it, because of some conversation above.
1.) The cost of a "Collector's Edition" without newly commissioned illustrations and if done at a similar level, would likely cost more.
2.) If A Game of Thrones is 100,000 words longer than American Gods or Dune and almost three times as long as Anansi Boys and they all had newly commissioned work and priced at $135, although I will admit it is still a debate on at what level, chances are A Game of Thrones will cost more in every facet, but at the time that Dune was produced it was probably cheaper.
There is also the issue of demand. A Song of Ice and Fire has probably more sales than Neil Gaiman's entire catalog combined outside of the Graphic Novels. This may be used by Folio for any number of directions, but I thought I might add it. Dune has sold probably similarly to A Game of Thrones and is probably a more accurate comparison, but repeat buyers, I assume, are abound in that number.
I'm not trying to say that I'm right, so far conclusions on price are anywhere from 100-300 USD, I'm just adding to the comparisons. I don't think the comparisons that I am making are so bizarre.
>121 elladan0891: although I suspect that this extra material cost is very low - a few bucks per book at most
Even if your pricing is correct (which is not exactly the case for a high-quality paper and inks but ok), you have a bigger problem here - the binding. Dune is already pushing what that specific binding can support without having the book body tearing from the covers while just staying and without sagging. Add half that again and you need a much sturdier binding (or a second volume).
I am not arguing about pricing - just pointing out that adding pages is not as trivial as printing more pages.
>123 AnnieMod: Good point, and if it has to come in two volumes that's a whole different game, of course.
>124 elladan0891: I would be quite surprised and, to be honest, annoyed, if they manage this without it being a two-volume set. GoT is too long to print reasonably/legibly in one volume.
Subterranean Press manages with the Malazan books (for example "Toll the Hounds" is ~390k words and it is in one volume). But the binding feels very different from the Dune binding. They do use a thinner paper than Folio but still - this one is twice the size of Dune and still in one volume. I wish they had split it though - the thing is massive :)
So you never know. Bindings are possible - just not as easy.
>126 AnnieMod: Sure, I know it's possible to print enormous works in one volume. I just don't think it's possible to do it well. Some publishers like Subterranean just aren't as interested in the physical qualities of a book as Folio are (which is fine, of course), so their results will be very different to the FS editions.
127: all the Subterranean GoT books are two volumes. Also I don't know what you mean "the physical qualities of a book"? I'm guessing that's supposed to be a knock on Subterranean Press. In general SP is on par with FS, arguably better in certain respects.
>128 astropi: It's not a 'knock' on Subterranean, whom I like just fine. It's simply a question of what they prioritise, which is not -- or does not seem to be, based on my small collection of their scifi publications -- binding or typography. I'm also not a fan of their paper, but I don't think I'm a fan of anyone's paper outside of the true fine presses.
Gotta agree with gmacaree. SubPress is great (I own all their Joe Abercrombie books) but they are, IMO, a small step below FS when it comes to actual materials.
"A Game of Thrones
Exclusive preview of the artist-designed covers of Folio's two-volume hardback edition...
Both volumes of this highly anticipated release are cloaked in a beautiful cloth that mysteriously transforms from blue to red.
Each cover features a striking artist-designed illustration – one blocked in silver foil, the other in gold. Volume 1 depicts a fallen Stark direwolf pierced with an antler; while Volume 2 shows a mighty stag being taken down by a lion to symbolise the Baratheon and Lannister feud.
You can see an exclusive preview of a section of each cover illustration below.
PLUS! A big announcement is coming your way very soon...
As you’ve registered your interest in our upcoming edition of A Game of Thrones, you’ll be the first to hear about this big news in an exclusive email, before everyone else!
Don’t forget to check your inbox in the coming days when all will be revealed…"
All the details so far (two volumes, duo-tone cloth, gold and silver foil) sound good. The art itself is just a major letdown for me. That lion's face/head looks horrible.
Yeah, I just purchased the 2016 illustrated edition of Game of Thrones. Most of the art is just reprints from various artists, but there's a ton of it and way better than what FS is showing us so far and it was only $25.
I like the bridge of simplicity and detail in this artwork for this particular title. I'm also glad to hear it will be two volumes.
So does two volumes mean two books or does it mean one book with novel cash grab feature?
These are better illustrations, but still quite odd looking. The stag looks fairly realistic, whereas the lion is clearly in the style of heraldic banners and illuminated manuscripts etc.. Especially the eyes, flat face and wavy mane.
Stick with one style or the other.
`As you’ve registered your interest in our upcoming edition of A Game of Thrones, you’ll be the first to hear about this big news in an exclusive email, before everyone else!
Don’t forget to check your inbox in the coming days when all will be revealed`
As in an e-mail of very high standards?
Hmm .. tempting ..
I can't tell from the wording if the "big announcement" they are teasing will be an announcement about GoT or some other book/release.
>139 Pellias: "As in an e-mail of very high standards? "
Maybe it'll be written in HTML5 instead of HTML4.
Pre-Order is live. To be despatched on the 16th July. Looks stunning
>144 The_Toad_Revolt_of84: also intriguing: "the first release in the Folio Society series of George R. R. Martin‘s A Song of Ice and Fire"
>145 PassTheBuck: So much for being first to hear about it when you subscribe to the newsletter. As always being a member of this forum ensures being the first to know anything happening.
>145 PassTheBuck: Pre-Order is live. To be despatched on the 16th July. Looks stunning
Thanks for the heads-up. Magnificent.
Beautiful but pricey...I would definitely preorder if I knew that the series would be completed...
Wow, that came out so much better than I'd imagined. I previously had no interest whatsoever but I am now tempted despite not being much of a fantasy reader though the only thing holding me back is the fact it's the first part of an unfinished series.
>149 RRCBS: "This magnificent set of A Game of Thrones is the first in a landmark series for The Folio Society."
Unless you mean completed by George Martin, in which case who knows.
Well, how the heck am I not supposed to order that? I went from on the fence to whether I would read Martin at all, to thinking I might sale purchase this if FAD hit me, to; if I don't buy this I won't sleep at night?
Any time I decide I am done with book buying for the month. Every single time. :)
>149 RRCBS: .I would definitely preorder if I knew that the series would be completed...
From their email, received today: "We can now confirm that Folio will publish all titles in George R. R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire saga, in series with A Game of Thrones. So, pre-order A Game of Thrones to start your stunning collection now."
Which sadly doesn't provide any reassurance that the author will even finish the series at all.
It does, just preordered and used it! I know I said I wouldn’t order because it’s an incomplete series but it’s so beautiful! Totally compulsive FAD purchase....
>157 RRCBS: It worked for me as well. I also ordered Ubik and Sophie's World with it. Interestingly there is no ROW "fee" for this book. UK and ROW price is £125.
I placed my order. I think it looks great, and knowing that they’ll be continuing (if not concluding) the series convinced me.
>156 The_Toad_Revolt_of84: I wonder if KMAG9 works for this purchase?
>157 RRCBS: It does
Thanks for this. I hadn't realised when I pre-ordered. I rang them and got the order line, which is worse than useless, so I've dropped an email to our friends in Customer Services. I have no doubt they'll solve it for me.
The very efficient Colin has just done that very thing for me.
The voucher works and yes, there's no row price hike. So I pre-ordered Game of Thrones and added Ubik and Anansi Boys. When I also put We into the basket, the 10% voucher was kicked out and replaced by a mystery book, so I removed it again. I'd rather have those 10% than a book I either already have or don't really want. I find it a bit strange, since it's supposed to switch from two to three titles, but it seems Game of Thrones is treated as separate so I could buy three after all.
For those who care, a progress report: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/14/george-rr-martin-scorns-absurd-cla...
>164 Jayked: Success killed the books, is as I read it. Folio did a masterful job with the first book, but you will be spending about £700 on all five and end up at 2011. I do think FS will keep them in print, so in ten years you could be looking at a complete series. But will he live this long, or even still be writing?
I think that this series could significantly enlarge the reputation and finances of the FS.
So much for my holding back. They got me again.
The full book significantly frames the illustrations.
>161 boldface: The very efficient Colin has just done that very thing for me.
What an excellent chap he is. I knew I could rely on Customer Services to sort it, Colin in particular.
Now to return to one of my favourite moans of the moment, the well-named order line. Well-named because it seems to me that's all they can do, ie take your money off you. Don't try and ask a question, just give 'em your card number. Thing is, you ring to speak with Customer Services, on the London number proudly displayed on their website. You find yourself speaking instead to some anonymous call centre employee in Cornwall (*) who insists on you telling them the nature of your problem. When you do, she tells you need to speak to Customer Services (really? Why didn't I think of that?) but, although you can be transferred from London to Cornwall without wishing or asking for it, she cannot transfer you back to London. Perhaps, she enquires, you could ring back and you might get through to them. And go through this farcical rigmarole all over again, presumably. Folio's website "issues" are all too well-known, but their telephone system rivals the website for sheer ineptitude.
(*) For our overseas friends not intimately acquainted with the UK's geography it is perhaps worth pointing out that Cornwall is probably as far from London as you can go whilst remaining in England.
>163 SF-72: I had the same experience. Adding Get Shorty to my basket reverted KMAG9 to the mystery book.
There also seems to have been a mix-up with the shipping cost. I only paid £13.50 for the standard 2-5 day express shipping for all three books and I already got a shipping confirmation. Has this happened to anybody else?
Per the latest email about this...
"*You have exclusive access until Thursday 16 May, when pre-ordering is launched to the general public."
What's that about? It seems like anyone can pre-order directly from the website. I don't feel special.
It's quite beautiful... the artwork is not more or less beautiful than the Subterranean Press edition, just different. I like it.
It is a bit more pricey than I imagined!
$195 for the USA + shipping.
>169 adriano77: It seems like anyone can pre-order directly from the website. I don't feel special.
Just as well you don't want these books with their "horrible" artwork, then.
FWIW I read it as only people who've expressed an interest have had the emails so far. Everyone else and their dog gets them from 16th.
I had no interest in this title being content with my Bantam slipcased edition (2011) but they did a really nice job. Now I'm having second thoughts. I don't quite understand the need for a pre-order here as it's not a limited edition and will probably have a large print run followed by more print runs if the demand warrants it.
Depends on your situation. I intend on making a Summer Sale purchase, and knowing full well they need to print 4 more titles in this series, they can't very well sell out without frustrating the hordes, I will wait. I won't purchase it until then, but they may be getting a good idea on how many they should print or might be checking many other marketing boxes... Although, 10% off of 195 isn't too bad. A big sale purchase however, would outweigh with shipping, etc.
It happened to me, too, and it was a pleasant surprise. My impression from the warning that they'll charge 13.50 since the book won't be delivered until July was that they actually wanted to charge full shipping, then add the 13.50 to it. That would have been rather steep, and it would have been preferable if they gave you the choice of splitting up your shipment or not. (I'm rarely in a hurry.) When it showed the 13.50 instead, I asked myself if someone made an error while programming the website to charge more shipping than usual and went in the opposite direction, but I don't know. It's the same with the price hike for ROW that isn't there. It could be on purpose to make a pre-order more appealing or be a mistake. One way or the other, I'm glad I got this shipping fee and price, and that the other books are already under way. What I find regrettable is that it was impossible to remove the mystery book from the basket and use the voucher with more titles instead.
Well, I think this is going to be a pass for me. I am not as enamored by the design/illustrations as other seem to be. And while I did enjoy the first 5 books, which I read before the series came out, I'm of the opinion that Martin could use a better editor. I also doubt the series will ever be finished. Even with just the 5 books and an incomplete story, the cost will exceed $1000. I admit I'm a bit relieved the decision wasn't a hard one.
I think the book looks great, and if I hadn’t just bought the HarperCollins UK leather-bound editions, I’d pick this one up. But having just dropped $300 on those, I think I’m going to wait to see if GRRM actually finishes the series before I commit to a new set - particularly if all of the books will be this expensive.
>173 kdweber: "I don't quite understand the need for a pre-order here as it's not a limited edition and will probably have a large print run followed by more print runs if the demand warrants it."
Just as LE numbers are generally issued out of sequence it will be interesting to see if those of us who have pre-ordered GoT on the first day actually receive a first printing.
I ordered books from the spring collection, but can not find it. Is there a general voucher code which can be used?
No doubt. I've a long history of senseless purchases though.
I suppose when they say "launched to" they mean "make aware of" rather than "make available to" or some such. Good call.
I would think so as the email does mention "Pre-order to guarantee your copy from the first printing." Not sure that could be interpreted any other way.
On a more general note, I can't say I've ever seen much importance given to FS printings barring drastic design changes. Is that a thing? As in how many collectors prefer first edition/first printings (full number lines)?
>178 Goblin_Investor: Yes, that’s the one. But I got them new for less than £50 per book (including shipping to the US), which, while still expensive, is less than half the price of the FS version. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have bought those either without knowing if the series would end. But that’s the problem with impulse book buying :)
If I hadn’t just bought those, I’d be jumping on the FS version. But if I can keep myself away, maybe I can pick up one or two of the FS volumes secondhand before GRRM finishes the series.
I'm impressed! I was not sure I would buy Folio's edition since the series in incomplete, though I've greatly enjoyed Martin's series so far - I read the first four books in 2004-2005, and I can't believe how time has flown since then. Ironically, I started a reread of A Game of Thrones yesterday in paperback. But those images have sold me on this edition!
Ah, is it the same cloth that Cthulhu ? There is a weird violet hue on all the pictures.
These look very classy and timeless to me,I will be buying from Folio and not waiting for second hand finds.I dont want to start a bunch of negitivity but I wonder where they will be printed?Any ideas on what the endpapers should look like?Love the family trees and the maps,I am a slut for foldout maps.What do yall think about the other books,should they be uniform in color and such or should they all be different?I would love to see all the major castles pictured as the story unfolds.Do i sound excited? I am.
I went ahead and bought these first thing this morning when the email came out, along with a couple of other books from my wish list with the discount. I would love to know how many orders they received day one. I know this is not a limited release, and as mentioned earlier, will most likely be reprinted up through the last (yet to be written) book is printed, but it would be fun to know just how many orders they received nonetheless.
This thread is titled "Surprise", and that's what I received when I tried to checkout with Game of Thrones and two other titles from the recent releases. Instead of the reduced postage some above have mentioned, i was hit with double postage - one postage for the current titles and additional postage for the GoT.
No point ordering now, I'll wait for the sale and put a big order in then.
>181 adriano77: I can't say I've ever seen much importance given to FS printings barring drastic design changes. Is that a thing? As in how many collectors prefer first edition/first printings (full number lines)?
I've never known it to be a thing in the past. The nearest I can recall was when they reprinted Dune, which caused a little flurry on eBay with "first print" being mentioned, but I seriously doubt it adds much (if any) value. I suppose it might if there are significant changes between first and subsequent printings,
>189 folio_books: I don't think it's a thing, but I think book collectors unfamiliar with the Folio Society/Easton/Franklin etc etc, the audience I imagine FS are trying to reach here, might think it's a thing.
The Fantasy genre and Game of Thrones don't appeal to me at all, nor does the style of the single double-page illustration shown on the Folio website (as much as I love Jonathan Burton's illustrations for Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy), but the binding and overall presentation of the set seem very well done. I trust the illustrations will appeal to Fantasy fans. For Folio's sake I hope the set sells well among the vast Game of Thrones fan base and introduces a new cohort of readers to FS.
Very nice looking and well made but way too expensive for a book. For this price, it would have to be signed and leatherbound. And you know if you buy one, you will have to buy them all. You would then be looking at over $1000 total price. To each his own though.
Gah, I'm on holiday at the moment in a country which blocks PayPal, so can't pre-order! I do wish folio would have given us more notice before opening it up to the general public.
I fell hook, line, and sinker for this one. Funny enough, I started re-reading the series (again) the in the morning before I checked my email and saw the notification for the pre-order. Now I'll wait until I have this in my hands to continue.
And the latest e-mail guarantees tracked delivery worldwide. Bit late in the day.
It seems silly to me for The Folio Society to be referring to the first printing of a common edition with a high number of copies.
It is a surprising and unwelcome example of un-bibliographic behaviour!
In particular it sets a precedent and the Society might find buyers who would happily have bought their books directly from them are now trying to get first printing copies, and possibly not purchasing any copies in their absence.
>197 clymbouris: yes (well, out of five books in the series that have been published, out of a proposed seven)
So, I can't do it. I actually like the books to some degree, but not enough to commit to buying them all. I labor so hard through fiction. Classic lit is easy for me but I slug through this modern fiction. I'm so close to my 100th Folio, I might make it the LE Grimm's, thought this might have been it. In any case, I think this set is nicely done and the content worth the price.
damn that's a considerable budget :(
On a relevant note there's an ongoing petition at change.org to rewrite the final season of Game of Thrones with competent writers; 850000+ have signed the petition so far and still goes strong at 200 signs/minute.
FS timed this perfectly; they won't have a hard time selling these out.
This won't sell out - like Dune, it will stay in print for many years.
As much as I would love to see a completely different season 8 with excellent writers doing justice to the stories (both written and not yet written), it will never happen. They finished filming ages ago. The sets are taken down, the props and gowns already touring and being auctioned off, everyone going their own way, actors, directors, etc. all have moved on to new projects and have more waiting in line. Actors need to keep accepting jobs to get paid and explore new roles and storylines. They would never come back to this. It was a job, and yes, a labour of love to some, but they are done with it, did the best they could with what they were given and have moved on.
I actually feel bad for Folio Society putting this out now. Years ago would have been much better, for I am sure they were predicting a much more interesting and better ending to the TV series rather than the mess that season 8 has been. I loved the series and now feel like I hardly care what the last episode will be like because it has already been spoiled for me. I hate where they went with it all this season, the shortcuts, rushing, killing characters off as quickly as they can, ruining character arcs, utter chaos, etc.. As pretty as the book is, I am assuming they will only print one a year, like most sets, to keep customers interested. I want to read the books, but not wait for the next 5-7 years for all of them. As GM hasn't even finished book 6 and is going to turn 71 in September and looks like a stroke/heart attack waiting to happen (sorry, but he is so heavy) that I doubt the series will ever be finished. For me, that settles it. I will not be buying this book or set. I'll keep my dollars for something that stands alone!
>203 gmacaree:: Thanks for the link – an interesting perspective.
As for the book, it definitely goes on my wish list. I’m willing to wait, as I’m sure this book will be available for years to come. Receiving a copy from the first printing (sure to be a large print run) is not enough to make me blow a significant portion of my remaining 2019 book budget given that the June sale is rapidly approaching. That said, I’ve made my interest known (very well-known) to my family. With Father’s Day and my birthday quickly approaching, I may not have to wait long.
As others, I hope this is a big hit for the Folio Society and pulls in new purchasers. My daughter tells me that she has seen a number of references to the book on web sites that typically don’t mention Folio books. Ms. Omnichannel must be very excited.
Thoroughly off topic now, but Benioff, especially, is an excellent writer. His novel City of Thieves is, in my opinion, MUCH better prose than what GRRM does. I think the circumstances of the show and the requirements put on the writers (Bran must be the last of the twists GRRM told them about), showed them in less than their best light.
Update e-mail received today:-
Spectacular sigils on the Folio endpapers
PLUS A family tree for each Great House
Illustrator Jonathan Burton has recreated the family sigils for the nine Great Houses in A Game of Thrones, which are presented as stunning black-and-gold endpapers in each volume. You’ll also discover detailed family trees for the Houses, so you can trace the lineage of the characters with ease as you read.
With George R. R. Martin’s approval across all the design work, this is the ultimate edition for fans of the series.
I saw that email. I like the endpapers, but based on the Stark family tree shown in the email, I really wish the family trees went another generation higher. They way they show Eddard Stark’s siblings looks like they’re his children, and I think Targaryen family trees are confusing enough with the sibling marriages that treating them as shown would be impossible to follow.
There’s a difference between being an excellent writer of prose who can put one word in front of another in an elegant way, and a ‘writer’ of screen productions. The latter refers more to the general structure, plot, character development etc. The non-dialogue parts of the script.
The only actual words they write which make into onto the screen is the dialogue. Barring some disasters (“bad pussy” anyone?) this was generally good in the tv series.
But everything else from season 5 onwards was dire.
Just received my shipping confirmation, although earlier than the 16th, it is probably to compensate the fact that I am in ROW (albeit only across the channel in France).
>211 F.Trier: same here for the Netherlands. If the shipping time is comparable to the sale order I placed (2 weeks), it won't be here until the 22nd but we'll see. Nothing is as unpredictable as folio shipping times.
>212 Fierylunar: ditto here, but the shipping method says 'Standard - Express - 2-5 days, tracked' so I am hoping for a much faster arrival than 2 weeks. I guess we will see.
No notification for an American purchaser, either. Ah, well--as Jason Compson III said: Time is dead when you're keeping track of it. It'll get here soon enough. :)
Nothing here yet, and I ordered it straightaway. We'll see, it's not like I'm in dire need and have got nothing else to read.
Mine has shipped to California. It says express/tracked, but there is no tracking number.
I got a message from DHL that it will be delivered on Thursday (11th July).
>217 Mr.Fox: ... same here ... southern California ... express/tracked ... but no tracking info. Can't wait!!!
Email just received from FS:
Publication Day is nearly here and we’re busy preparing your copy of A Game of Thrones for despatch!
Are you ready to meet your spectacular new edition?
We want you to receive your book as close to the 16 July publication day as possible, so we’re sending it by express delivery, at no extra cost.
We’ll let you know when it's on its way. Our courier will contact you with full tracking and delivery details.
We hope you enjoy your new edition as much as we've enjoyed making it for you.
Yesterday, I finally received my confirmation that it was shipped to New Jersey, USA.
I'd be interested to know what it is that is 'the worst' of Tolkien.
These look really nice - I like the illustrations a lot.
I notice Subterranean Press states:
"Important Note: You may order one copy of each edition of A Game of Thrones only if you have not ordered before. If you have ordered an edition previously, you may not order the same edition again."
If only Folio society would do the same with it's new limited editions ...
Hi, guys. Good news! I've been notified my book arrives tomorrow. I hope others have received these glad tidings.
YOUR SHIPMENT IS ON ITS WAY
Hello MR *********,
Your DHL Express shipment with waybill number ******** from EUROPA PARK is on its way.
The current estimated delivery is Fri Jul 12 by End of Day.
To authorize delivery without signature, or for other delivery options, click here.
Estimated Delivery Date
Fri Jul 12
by End of Day
Mine is scheduled to arrive next week. Congrats to those who can start reading this weekend.
Mine scheduled to arrive tomorrow also (US). Seems like the wait has been ages, but then it often has been for FS books
No shipping information for me yet, but then again: I never before got such a mail anyway, even for express shipping to mainland Europe.
No information on mine as to exactly when it is coming or how. Just that they are packing or its on its way, blah, blah, hype, hype. lol Some solid info instead of the drama of a release would be more appreciated for me.
I was told yesterday that it had been despatched and it's express (ie next day delivery). You might think the conclusion to draw from that is obvious. However, no notification from the courier that they have it in their possession, let alone that it will be delivered today. Could Folio have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again?
I put off a planned day out and have been waiting in all day. The email, which arrived yesterday afternoon, clearly states "next working day*", but followed by that ominous asterisk for which there is no explanation. One can only speculate on what it means:
* Except Boldface
* Subject to van driver being available
* But see small print
* But see smaller print
* For advertising purposes only
* Sent in error
* It may never happen
* Forget it, but £5 off your next order
* Just forget it!
So far - nothing . . . . Perhaps they don't work Fridays.
I finally received a message, not from FS but from DHL Express who will supposedly deliver it on or before the 15th. Their last delivery was damaged, though, so I hope they'll do better this time.
>233 SF-72: Same here, the book should be arriving next Monday. Fingers crossed...
Just got the email that my delivery should be there today! Probably won’t have time to open it til closer to end of day, but very excited!
My front door camera just recorded the DHL driver delivering mine. I won't get my hands on it until I get home from the office in a few hours.
The bad news is that UK customers won't be receiving it till Tuesday (ie the originally floated release date, July 16). After a telephone conversation this morning and several emails they disagree with my assessment that the fannying around with the dates is a farago. Do me a favour, Jonathan, and email them - Customer Services Manager. Because I am informed in the whole wide world I am the only person to complain about this. Anyone else feeling less than content about the delivery, I urge you to do the same
The DHL delivery guy just came to my house with the book and said I owe $30 CAD in duty and tax. I thought there was no duty on books? Any Canadian devotees know the procedure for this? I've never been charged duty for a folio delivery before, but this is the first time it's arrived express.
> 238 this happened to me once with Canada Post. I emailed FS and they just had me send the bill and they reimbursed me via the credit card I used to purchase the book. Hopefully they’ll do the same for your case!
Oh, and there is a competition for pre-order customers: take a selfie of opening up the book and post it on one of the FS social media channels using the hashtag #GOTmyFolio by July 22nd and you might win one of ten prints suitable for framing of the map (unfolded, of course).
You pay 5% Gst if your province doesn't add their tax (Ontario doesn't). Folio adds it on at source for all books, so you shouldn't be paying anything. There is an appeal procedure, but it's run by the same neandethals who wrongly charged you in the first place. You win some, but not often. Folio will reimburse you, but of course they add the cost of that to their prices for all Canadian customers, which "justifies" their inflation. I'd prefer it if they made a stronger effort to sort out the problem with Canadian Customs.
I have sent a message to Folio outlining my concerns, but I don't suppose anyone will read it now before Monday.
No, they're long gone. But it wouldn't make a practical difference. The books are in the hands of DPD, who will be sending emails on Monday announcing delivery on Tuesday. You need to live in South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, USA and parts of Europe to receive it before then. Great for non-UK customers. Not so much for the home base.
Thanks for the clarification, I hope they make a better effort with customs too.
I'm in the U.S. (Good ole SD). GOT mailed yesterday - just dropped off at my front door. Now to wait 20 minutes until I get off work.
Just picked mine up. Let me start with (and this is only after a very quick observation) ... absolutely love the presentation ... book covers and bindings and gilding are great. The map is on a thick stock and really looks nice. I'm super excited to put all my other current reads aside for a moment and start reading this fine edition this weekend.
The only thing I'm a bit ... ehhh ... about ... which I kind of thought I might be "ehhh" about ... are the illustrations. I only flipped thru some of them and they seem very much like the ones found in FS current offerings of Pratchett's Mort/Small Gods.
They are kind of (and this is just my first reaction to them) what i would expect in a young adult book. Kind of cute and kiddie ... if that makes sense.
Either way ... I am super excited to read. And I am looking forward to future releases in this series. I am a big illustration lover and that usually drives a lot of my purchases ... however ... I love this GOT world and story that I can over look it for this beautifully presented series.
My book arrived today. Unfortunately, all my excitement drained away when I saw that the slipcase and bottom right corner of volume one were damaged. I’ve emailed Folio; hopefully it won’t be a terribly long wait before I can enjoy a damage free copy.
Jut got mine. Nice, but not $195 nice. Crappy carton box slipcase. Save money as much as you can and charge as much as you can for FS. Kind of disappointing. Shoudl have used a fabric to cover the slipcase. Overall, an okay production but no cigar.
Between this and the lackluster illustrations, I'm glad I repressed my urge to buy this one.
>252 mrooks: ... I don't think it's a complete "non-buy". I personally don't find the slip case to be a "crappy carton box". It's actually (in my opinion) rather thick and sturdy. Is it a nice clamshell case ... no ... but is it a flimsy cheap slipcase ... not in my opinion.
As for the Illustrations ... they are just not my cup of tea ... but they are not making me second guess my purchase.
I do love the feel and look of the books ... I thought I was going to not like the covers ... but I actually really do. I love the format and that it's split into two books.
If you are a fan of the story and the GOT world ... for me ... This is a really nice buy. It will look beautiful on the shelf once the entire series is all together.
The "only" thing that would make me hesitate on purchasing is ... the price is a bit steep. But isn't everything overpriced in the world we live in nowadays?
For me ... each book is worth $50 to $70 plus the extra map might be worth adding $10 ... so a total of $150 would make this an absolute easy buy.
If the illustrations were more refined and in the vain of what I would think this title would call for ... then I would not complain about the $200 asking price.
Either way ... if you are a big fan ... I think most would be rather satisfied (not overly ... but not upset either).
The only way I’d end up being disappointed with this purchase would be if he dies before finishing the series. He’s been writing the next book for the past eight years with no publication date in sight, and it’s not even the last one. It’ll be a miracle if he gets the last two published before he turns eighty.
I started reading The Song of Ice and Fire series in 2003, and have been a big fan ever since, but I just can't get myself to pull the trigger on this book. For me, not enough "wow factor" to justify the price.
I followed up on the hashtag #gotmyfolio on Instagram and the set and more so the map look killer! It’s such a shame the series is a long way from done and might never finish in its book form. Otherwise these would have been my copies to read and enjoy. This outstanding production by Folio Society notwithstanding I’ll pass.
My GOT books arrived in Ontario, Canada yesterday, expertly packed and damage free. The only glitch was that DHL insisted on charging customs fee, which Folio will, I'm sure, reimburse, as they have in the past. as >256 NLNils: says, "an outstanding production.
I was lukewarm on the illustrations from the initial marketing materials and I tend to be more often underwhelmed when there has been a big expectation built up. Things rarely live up to their hype.
Not so with the Folio GOT. These books are gorgeous with lots of great design elements that make them worth every penny. First of all, as observed above, the slipcase is quite sturdy (and needs to be given the weight of the two volumes). It has a beautiful design in shiny gold on the external panel. But on the inside it is illustrated on all sides (top, bottom, rear panel, sides).
The covers are much better in person than in the photos and even the lion on volume II loses some of its cartoonishness. The binding is a nice tactile cloth (better feel and richer look than buckram IMHO). The endpapers with the sigils of the various houses was a nice touch. The titling throughout both volumes is two color (gold and black). Each chapter opens with a decorative initial letter and an illustration representing the character the chapter is named for (I.e. three eyed raven for Bran). The paper is smooth, almost shiny, and feels luxurious.
The color illustrations are evocative in person. I think we need to remember that these will not look like stills from the HBO series and will not look like the actors that were hired to play those characters. It doesn’t mean the illustrations are poorly done, just a different visual than what our minds have become accustomed to over the 8 seasons of the show. The descriptions, histories and family trees at the end of volume two are an invaluable resource even if it will require constantly opening Vol II while reading Vol I. Finally the separately included and bound map is even larger and more detailed than I had imagined. It makes the entire package seem more luxurious and special.
So my overall take is that this is an absolutely first rate unqualified success by Folio and I greatly look forward to their publication of the next installment in the series. For once I do not feel a newly released Folio title is overpriced and I’m getting every bit of the value I paid for.
Yes, it's still a long way from being done but have no fear about it never being completed. There's too much money at stake for the publisher to let it go unfinished. The catch is, it may not be Martin who finishes writing it.
That's very encouraging, Sean. Thank you for your assessment. As you know, those of us who live less than 50 miles from the Folio offices won't be getting our copies until Tuesday!
>259 treereader: I fully expect Brandon Sanderson to finish the last book possibly even the last two in a period of about six months leading too much posthumous fist shaking at GRRM.
> 230 Lady19thC
I got it only on Saturday, it was stuck in customs for two days. The books are lovely and definitely a must have for any fan of the series. The books are well made, with two tone cloth binding, they are printed in Italy, the pages are luxurious - shiny and soft and smell so divine, the font is a bit on the smaller side, but the black and gold printing more than make up for it. The books are very heavy though.
I loved the illustrations also. It noway resembles the HBO characters and I think that is a good thing - it has a kind of 3d effect, very evocative and has an element of realism to it - like when Daenerys steps out of the fire she is shown bald as opposed to the HBO way.
The map too is very well done and more detailed than any I have seen so far. The slipcase is quite sturdy, with the embossed sigil and the night walker's illustration on the inside.
Overall Folio did an excellent job and I intend to read this edition many times over the course of my hopefully long lifetime.
I got a conciliatory reply from the Customer Service Manager this afternoon, explaining the difficulties they have experienced and the unintended results of trying to deliver the books all round the world at the same time:
"It was always our intention to try to deliver the Folio Game of Thrones on Tuesday the 16th of July everywhere around the world, and while our standard email sort-of says this, I can quite see that the express text on there does suggest otherwise.
With regards some of our overseas customers receiving their books earlier than expected, I must admit we were slightly surprised about that. It has been an enormous job to attempt a simultaneous landing date in all seven continents around the globe, and we staggered despatch to try and achieve it (we would have had to stagger despatch anyway, as sending out Game of Thrones has meant sending out more books in a couple of days than we usually send in a couple of months). We posted overseas orders first as, understandably, these usually take much longer than UK ones. We never, however, had any intention of penalising our loyal UK customers by making them wait any longer, everybody's books were supposed to land tomorrow."
>263 boldface: What is the objection here exactly? That the book is delivered earlier through international postal services making the book arrive a day or two ahead of publication, whereas UK customers have to wait for the actual publication date?
The delivery on publication for international customers was always going to cause a desync, some people getting the book a day early, others a few days later. I'd love the UK benefits (no price hike, next day delivery) instead of having this one title a day earlier on accident...
The objection was more that the email clearly states next working day delivery. It should have been made clear that this was not the case here. I cancelled plans and waited in all day for it on the strength of this email. If the email had been clear I wouldn't have objected to different dates for different countries.
>264 Fierylunar: The delivery on publication for international customers was always going to cause a desync,
Precisely. So it should never have been attempted.
>263 boldface: I got a conciliatory reply from the Customer Service Manager this afternoon
"We never, however, had any intention of penalising our loyal UK customers by making them wait any longer, everybody's books were supposed to land tomorrow."
Yes, I've had much of the same in an ongoing correspondence. The very best I can say for Folio is that they were extraordinarily naive in thinking they could stagger delivery successfully. I hope this is a lesson learned but my reading of the situation leads me to doubt it. This has all the makings of an annual event, if they think they can get away with it.
I'm normally among those who have to wait weeks for things that people in the UK get more cheaply and more quickly. I received the postal mail about the sale the day before it ended, to name one example. And now that for once FS are trying to do things right with regard to their international buyers, some people in the UK are angry because they have to wait slightly longer? I for one appreciate the attempt, even if they couldn't pinpoint it to the day for every single buyer. It was a nice gesture.
I agree, though I do think it sucks if they gave a delivery date and didn’t meet it.
I've stated my reasons for being unhappy. They didn't include objecting to some people getting the books earlier than myself. That's fine. No problem.
I received my copy today and I’m quite happy with it. This was only sixty dollars more than I spent on American Gods recently, and I think it’s much more impressive than that one.
Received my set last night. Very happy with my purchase: the cloth is beautiful, each volume is big but not too big or heavy to make reading uncomfortable, the paper is nice and the colouring in the text is perfect. I still will be very disappointed if I acquire the set and then the SOIAF is never completed, but either way I love the books themselves and FS has done an amazing job.
Sent to seven continents? Well I haven't seen anyone from Antarctica complaining about late delivery. Arrives in McMurdo Sound before Milton Keynes. That's a first!
Looks like A Clash of Kings will be out next year
I've been away for a few days so the minor hooha somewhat passed me by. It's an excellent production and in comparative terms excellent value too. Well done Folio!
I'm told there's been a
* Apparently, they wear evening dress/tuxedos all the time down there.
Mine arrived today. Not having read it before, I hope the book lives up to Folio's exemplary treatment. Beautifully done in every way.
And here it is on eBay with a teensy markup:
I hope I don't need to say I have absolutely no connection with this reptile.
Edited to add:
There's a Book of the New Sun for only £995, too.
Love these books-well done Folio-can not wait for next one.That being said,lets start a debate.Would you like for all books to be the same binding,type, color, illustration artist,size ect....Or for each one to be different?I think it would look great for each to be different colors and sizes,so as not to give the impression of a set of encyclopedias.Keep in mind that this will be a huge set of at least 14 large books when all are done,if they all get the two volume treatment.I would also add that I like my books to be of a size thats easy to hold and read. Maybe even make a few smaller three volume editions.I also think it would generate more excitement if we did not know what to expect next.So once again well done Folio Society thanks for your beautiful books.
They should definitely switch the artist up. Not a fan of the GoT illustrations at all. The White Walker inside the slipcase was laughably amateurish.
I have to agree. If the artwork had been more to my personal tastes, I would not have hesitated to purchase the books. As it stands, however, I can't bring myself to pull the trigger on them, despite being a longtime fan of the books.
If the artwork switches from book to book, and Clash of Kings looks good, I might be persuaded to jump in on the full set, assuming Game of Thrones remains in print.
I'd like the same size and type of binding, but I'd definitely prefer changing colours for the binding and artists. Though the artists should be ones that don't clash with each other. I felt that was the case with the Austens. My impression is that Subterranean Press manages to switch illustrators within series without changing the style so completely that it becomes irritating.
I completely agree about preferring books I can still comfortably hold, so splitting particularly long novels into three instead of two volumes would be perfect.
Given that A Song of Ice and Fire is essentially one extremely lengthy book, not to maintain a thematic consistency of design would at the best be peculiar and at the worst end up a dog's dinner. Changing artists from volume to volume would be akin to having a complete cast change for every season of the television series.
I agree entirely. Consistency is paramount in a work like this, for the bindings especially. Changing the artist is a high-risk affair. They did it with the Austens and the effect was lamentable. It is for that reason I stopped collecting after the first volume and I strongly suspect my response tp ASOIAF would be the same. I don't need a Folio Game of Thrones that much, and at those prices I'm easily deterred by less-than-acceptable production values.
I don’t know whether or not I’d keep buying this series if they change the design/artist with each release. I want a series to match and be consistent.
Same. And changing the size of the book would definitely be a huge issue for me. In general, I feel like changing the illustrator would not make sense for the books themselves.
The same thought at first. But if they hire an illustrator who maintains the quality, it would be great. For example in ones that have the illustrations of Marc Simonetti, Sam Webber, Tom Kidd, etc. Subterranean Press (Malazan Series) and Centipede Press (Elric Series) are a sample.
I think I agree that changing the artist would be a bad idea,but I do not think that switching up the color and size would be in bad taste.I think the artist is good but he had a hard job depicting the way we have these characters pictured in our minds from reading the books for last 20 years and watching the series for 10.I think I would have chosen to stay away from the humans and illustrated the animals and castles and such instead.....and the Dragons
Sam Weber would have been perfect. Also agree on how Subterranean went about the Malazan books. I believe they all had different illustrators but each maintained a fantastic bar for quality art.
That's the level I had expected FS to reach with their version of GoT given it was so obviously going to be a huge title for them in terms of exposure and sales.
Changing the size of the book would be a problem for me and I would probably not buy the book for it. I really dislike series of books that belong together not having the same format. I would be fine with changing the color (like the Fairy books) and even the illustrator (although I like the illustrations).
Simply put, it's not a series unless it can maintain a theme.
The easiest and most common attributes to a book series theme are color and shape. They'd be hard pressed to come up with a good reason to mess with shape and still maintain some sort of overarching theme. Maybe if the Wall had a very particular shape that could be easily imitated by a set of seven boxes would a variation in size or shape make any sense. I can't think of any obvious seven-box patterns off the top of my head that would produce visually appealing double meaning.
Color on the other hand, would be the easy attribute to modify with good results. There are seven books, in part, because there are seven main families or houses in the story, all fighting for power. If you gave each book in the series a different color based on each of the main houses, it would come out OK. (But is OK good enough?)
Although I'm not interested in TGoT, I agree with the above - messing with size is a big mistake for any series, varying colors is fine. Varying illustrators can be interesting, although risky.
The A2 fold-out brochure for Game of Thrones has now been posted to the FSD wiki in the Selected Folio Society brochures section here.
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I have to admit that I like some of FS GOT illustrations but not others. Initially, I hoped that FS will make it into a limited edition but I think they want to have more of a high volume sales with their GOT books. That said, since I purchased the first book, I have to buy all others too.
The Observer/Guardian ran a interview with GRRM today. It is of interest to all who bought the first book(s), or are considering to do so. Although the title is direful.
George RR Martin: ‘Game of Thrones finishing is freeing, I’m at my own pace’
A word to the wise about that GRRM interview: it contains a pretty massive spoiler for anyone who hasn't read the first book. If you've ordered it and haven't yet read it, stay away.
Game of Thrones: The website now says "over two-thirds of the first printing already sold." I vaguely remember a print run of 7000 which would imply that close to 5000 copies are sold (worth £625,000). Unfortunately I couldn't confirm the exact print run using Google (anyone?). Also interesting to note that Game of Thrones has 301 reviews as of today (2019-11-02) representing 5.3% of all reviews (5,637).
Edit: if these numbers are correct around 1 in 15 customers leave a review. Let's take the Marvel as an example - almost 50 reviews - 50 x 15 = 750 copies sold. What can I say, that's a lot of questionable numbers in one post.
>298 Czernobog: Those numbers aren't surprising given that Game of Thrones is probably the most widely popular title Folio has published in recent memory. In fact this is the title that introduced me personally to Folio Society.
>296 NLNils: Interesting article. Thanks for sharing! My skepticism that the story will be completed has kept me from ordering the FS edition.
A teaser video was just uploaded to Suntup's site..
EDIT: sorry I just realised this is a completely unrelated thread but running away from home so can't fix soon enough!
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