Spam reporting thread #68
This is a continuation of the topic Spam reporting thread #67.
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PROCEDURES FOR REPORTING SPAM
Distinguish between the following, and flag the highest level of the violation:
-- Type 1: Irredeemable commercial spam: make sure to flag the member's profile, as well as the spammy activity. This type includes things selling strollers, pharmaceuticals, live-streaming sports games, porn, and/or trying to create traffic/links to sites for such things. Sufficient profile flags will automatically result in temporary suspension and deletion of the member's activity, so use your profile-flagging powers wisely and carefully.
-- Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post, group, or local venue). This type includes promotional activity that violates the Terms of Service (TOS), but where the member is potentially redeemable, e.g. overzealous authors, overzealous publishers, or other members with small TOS violations but who are otherwise using the site legitimately. These cases should be reported to staff (by sending a message or email to staff and/or or posting on this thread), so the member can be taught how to use the site.
-- Overzealous authors or publishers (these fall under type 2): do NOT flag the member's profile. Report to staff here or privately. You can also send the member a polite message pointing them to the terms, mentioning the "no promoting" language, and pointing them to the Do's and Don't page for authors: http://www.librarything.com/about_authors.php
-- Suspected sock-puppetry to promote a book, write fake reviews, and/or stack ratings: do not flag the profile, but report to staff here or by message, so staff can investigate. This is a serious violation for which members can be permanently banned.
-- Profile flags for commercial spammers only (type 1): On the member's profile page, click on the "report for spam" link, then follow instructions to flag the member. Again, this is only for commercial spam, not for "overzealous" authors, publishers, or booksellers, which should be reported to staff instead. See Talk post: http://www.librarything.com/topic/85810
-- Spam or promotional posts in a Talk topic (type 1 or 2): flag the post as an abuse of the terms of service.
-- Spam or promotional groups (types 1 and 2): flag new groups using the "flag this group" link.
-- Spam lists: report in this thread, and flag the member if it's commercial spam.
-- Spam works (type 1 spam): flag the work as spam on the work's editions page, and then vote on proposed work spam. Make sure to read the guidelines before proposing or voting, especially for what is not spam. Voting page: http://www.librarything.com/spam_works.php
-- Spam in a review (type 1), or an explicitly promotional review (type 2): flag the review as an abuse of the TOS, using the red flag.
-- Spam or promotion in "published reviews," or other CK fields (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete.
-- Spam or egregious promotion/advertising in venues or events (type 1 or 2): post here and/or delete. Note that authors are permitted to add events for their books.
-- Spam in book links / quick links: post here and/or edit to remove spam.
-- Spam author names listed on a work: No current procedure. Tim has asked us not to change CK to indicate spammers, and not to combine spam authors together.
-- Not sure if it's spam? Post here, and explain why.
Please note that Tim has asked us not to use either CK or the combining system (whether works or authors) for spam fighting.
For more information see these wiki pages:
Procedures for flagging and reporting spam: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Spam
Spam works, guidelines for flagging and voting: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/HelpThing:Spam_works
(A copy of these guidelines, for pasting in new threads, can be found here or at the top of previous threads.)
Added a legitimate book, but Spam account- note profile name
needs more flags.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/308527 is repeat author spam.
For the record:
Book is Adventures on the Astral Plane.
https://www.librarything.com/profile/John.Guilgood (Maybe give the author one more chance.)
https://www.librarything.com/topic/308527 is by a repeat author.
Book is Adventures on the Astral Plane.
https://www.librarything.com/profile/John.Guilgood (Maybe give the author one more chance.
Sorry, already third time.
Author, do not flag: https://www.librarything.com/profile/DrAprilVMartin
I left a message.
Ack! She's actually encouraging other authors to spam the forums.
This guy seems to be plugging an app to track reading speed—identical or near identical posts https://www.librarything.com/topic/286120#6864466, https://www.librarything.com/topic/280099#6864468 and https://www.librarything.com/topic/308759#6864470.
https://www.librarything.com/profile/SharpReader. Just joined, no books listed.
>24 davidgn: I can't see the account that added that material. Were you able to track it?
The dude from >20 haydninvienna: is still spamming the forums, despite gilroy's message.
Need just a couple of flags more.
>24 davidgn: Can we delete the event? Or should staff have a look at it first?
>30 Taphophile13: It's gone. The link will continue to show it open, but it's no longer on the venue page.
I don't recall seeing that before, but I might have missed it.
This particular post doesn't look terribly spammy, nor does the account.
At least she seems to have confined her self to one post (so far, anyway).
>37 konallis:. Did we catch the poster? Please give us the profile as well.
Author advertising: http://www.librarything.com/topic/308990
Oddly, the group: http://www.librarything.com/groups/cheatingtheferryman has never been flagged, although it was set up by another author to push his book. And there doesn't seem to be an option to flag it, perhaps because it's dormant.
>41 lilithcat: I only give them one chance, one warning, so I've already flagged the profile.
>43 karenb: Maybe it has too many members to flag? Or it was set up before group flagging was developed?
... (and review https://www.librarything.com/work/22889998/reviews/165795890)
(with cover stolen from another book)
(with review https://www.librarything.com/review/147508525)
(with about 100 tags, I kid you not)
(The reviews are key, here)
(I don't know exactly what they're selling, but the review says it's legal)
https://www.librarything.com/profile/harrygeorge4158 (I've left a message)
That's certainly an odd thread in which to advertise that book!
It's generic, but I'm pretty sure that specific books will be next. Please flag.
The account was created a while ago, and somehow that profile photo doesn't look much like a Biff, but we all know I'm pretty heartless. There's seven books in his library, all written by him, and (with one exception) he is the only member to have them here on LT.
There's already a comment on the profile, which makes me wonder it he'd already posted elsewhere, and it's now gone.
Oh, the post is definitely spam.
somehow that profile photo doesn't look much like a Biff
I don't know. What does a Biff look like?
There's already a comment on the profile, which makes me wonder it he'd already posted elsewhere, and it's now gone.
2WonderY may have seen the profile photo in the Recently Added Profile photos. The timing and content of her comment would suggest that.
It's also possible that he was trying to introduce himself in the appropriate group as I suggested, but the post defaulted to Book Talk, as it does frequently, if you don't know to double check.
>72 lilithcat: I've never known an actual person named Biff, although I'm sure there are quite a few for whom it was a nickname. Football player from the Comics is where I first saw it (and to show you how old I am, I remember it as new, and recent).
(LT strips off the rest of the URL with the parens, so you'll have to cut and paste it to actually see the link.)
and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_McNamara
Tank had reference to the occasional Biff. I was rather astonished to meet a Biff, some years ago, having always known it in the papers. Okay, enough of Memory Lane.
post defaulted to Book Talk, as it does frequently, if you don't know to double check
It does, indeed, which I have no doubt is the reason all those "Help me find this book!" posts end up in Book Talk.
>73 2wonderY: It wasn't Book Talk, it was Welcome to LibraryThing. I would have left the post, with a reply making sure they know not to promote their books anywhere but the designated places, but the topic was removed before I could hit "save message".
It's better not to respond to spam in the forums, but, in this sort of case, leave a comment on the poster's profile instead.
If you respond, then the thread remains visible, even though the post itself is hidden after four flags.
>77 lilithcat: Yes, in this case because it was an enthusiastic author, and it was Welcome to LibraryThing, I think it would not have hurt anything for it to stay up. They introduced themselves, which is appropriate for the group, they just talked about the kinds of books they write in the introduction.
See above: Type 2: Teachable moments: DO NOT flag the member's profile, but DO flag the violating activity (e.g. self-promotional Talk post . . .
This was a promotional post; he included a link to a site for purchasing his books.
>79 lilithcat: Ah, I must have seen a different post. The one I saw from that author did not include a link. My mistake.
>74 Lyndatrue: I'm always reminded of Biff Tannen from the Back to the Future movies...
Not sure how to flag this, but I received the following email as a comment was apparently posted to my wall by Sara33 - I have no idea how to see my wall, remove comments, or report spam, though. I think everyone will agree that the purpose of this post wasn't to promote discussion about books :-)
Sara33 just sent you a message on LibraryThing.
Your conversation with Sara33 is at http://www.librarything.com/conversation/Sara33
All your conversations are at http://www.librarything.com/comments/ChrisMitchell
Hey, my name Sara, nice to meet you!). I look for some fun!) If you want to see my nude cosplay and chat with me, copy the link) >> f*******/Sara >>
After registration find me by nick) - "DirtySara33"
It's free, waiting for you honey).
(This email was sent because you elected to have comments sent to your email. To turn off this feature, choose "edit profile/account settings" and uncheck "email comment.")
So in one of the threads about Sarah there's "escort" spam: http://www.librarything.com/topic/309462#6882124
I have temporarily disabled adding tags to groups, unless you are a paid member, in response to a report of spam on http://www.librarything.com/groups/75booksin2019 . Working to remove the tag.
(work already marked as spam)
>97 karenb: delete it, otherwise the advertising, though covered, still remains.
I cleared it on those two links.
Got it. Thanks!
(Just found a spammy description on a legit book, too. Love the CK search results.)
I've left a message on his profile: http://www.librarything.com/profile/BenedictRedgrove
Hey guys, was voting on spam works and noticed one of the flagged ones is a published book with ISBN and all, by an LT author who catalogued it. It even had a cover uploaded, just needed to be recalculated to show
>102 SandraArdnas: Rats, I think I maybe deleted a spammy description and then went on auto. Fortunately, the book seems to be fine now.
>104 karenb: No problem. That's why I posted here, expecting most people who vote would see it.
work is owned by two users, who have legit books and then reviewed this one. Reviews are full of links.
https://www.librarything.com/work/9726636/summary (is NOT spam, apparently -- available via Amzn -- please vote no)
>106 karenb: The former account is definitely spam, but I think the latter (this review aside) looks legit?
>107 lorannen: That's what I'm wondering. Spammer who added lots of books to seem legit? If so, it worked. No activity since they set up the account, I bet.
https://www.librarything.com/work/9120010 was probably no spam. It's a zero edition now, so it's possibly irrelevant, but if not Weekend Breaks From Hyderabad appears as a travel guide on Amazon.
Similarly, a zero edition at https://www.librarything.com/work/11459910 can be found as a Dutch edition book with the author as indicated.
>111 SandraArdnas: That would suggest that the person posting them probably had a spammy review, and was doing spammy things on their profile, making their works suspect or part of the spam process to kill.
>112 gilroy: OK. But what's the common practice with the leftover zero editions of legit books? Does flagging them spam affect possible future adds of those works? In particular, the one that has author entered too. If someone were to add it, would it auto-combine with the flagged one or do flagged zero copies go to some LT recycle bin? I'm asking because even works marked as spam still show up in search, so I'm uncertain how they behave
>113 SandraArdnas: If the legit book is here as another work beside the spam one, the new work should combine with that work.
Okay, bear with me. After examining the profile, and thinking it over, I'm going to flag it, as well as the "helpful" post here:
Seriously, someone who is proud of owning no books but his own??? I dunno.
Never mind. User profile is already history. Dang.
User Smithrin is using reviews of other books to promote their own book on Amazon.
Please flag the reviews as spam. I've left a message on the user's profile.
I noticed a spammy member description on Becoming. CK history reveals it was entered by http://www.librarything.com/profile/Halim29. Please flag.
I'm going through their CK history and deleting all the member descriptions they entered. If you'd like to help there's a list here: http://www.librarything.com/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Halim29&f=username&...
>120 norabelle414: Yuck! But I think we've got them all now.
These were links to a free download site. Some of the books are certainly not being distributed with the permission of the copyright holder.
Not with people like me just having bought them!
>120 norabelle414: He seems all about the free download, using multiple tags referencing it on 61 works - everything he added on June 25th.
>121 MarthaJeanne: If the links were even to a download site! I certainly wasn't about to click on them.
The member has a lifetime account so I think we'll need Loranne's help to zap them. I'll send her a message.
>122 2wonderY: Yes, they even added "download free ebook" to the title of the books they entered. Yuck.
He also added "Download PDF/Ebook" to a slew of titles.
Some have canonical titles and just need recalculation. Others need canonical titles entered and then recalculation.
>125 lilithcat: The Work titles look OK now, and we can't change his titles.
(Two other copies of this in Book Talk have already disappeared.)
Just gave it the fourth flag.
There is also one in the Early Reviewers group; unfortunately, it was replied to so the thread won't disappear.
>127 MarthaJeanne: See, I'd be cruel and be up to flagging the profile.
The author was warned at 7:17 am and he continued to post spam at 7:40 am...
>134 haydninvienna: I'm not convinced that it is the author, but it is certainly meant to push the new member's blog.
>135 MarthaJeanne: I deleted the message (which wondered if "justeddy" was plugging his own book) because I poked around a little and decided that "justeddy" probably wasn't "T L Mistlberger". However, you are quite right that he is trying to push traffic to the site linked at the end of the post (which BTW throws a security alert in Firefox). On thinking about it and deciding that the whole deal looks like a bunch of crap, I've flagged both the post and the profile.
For the record:
>136 haydninvienna: I flagged the post, but neither the profile or the review.
I also got a friend request from this one: http://www.librarything.com/profile/thenoblesgang
It's not a lifetime account, though, so should be easier to remove.
Oh, now I get one. I was wondering why I hadn't earlier. But already killed before I saw it.
Received a friend request from this user
Homepage URL. It may be a hacked account due to age sign up 2006.
(Don't flag https://www.librarything.com/profile/KaylieMonahan)
I don't consider that spam. It's a new member who probably doesn't know about venues, so I've pointed her to the LT Local listing for the store.
It would definitely count as spam if an author posted the book descriptions. I don't see the bookstore as being any less commercial.
>152 MarthaJeanne: I don't think it's a matter of being more or less commercial. The emphasis is on 'there's a place where it's perfectly OK to post it, but the member seems new and unaware'. A response to that effect and/or personal note seems a better way to go about it than flagging. It is certainly more welcoming if you're not of the opinion someone is deliberately spamming.
Authors are in my experience also pointed to few places where they may plug in their books
Author spam (don't flag http://www.librarything.com/profile/george-calleja1)
>156 MarthaJeanne: I left an additional message. I'd bet money that this is not his first effort, either.
group about treating hemorrhoids and constipation
Author promoting own book:
Not exactly an enthusiastic author, but I think the topic's a bit over the line. I'm still trying to decide how to word a suggestion to her that explains why I'm flagging this.
Please note that I'm not suggesting anyone else flag this. If I'd thought about it, I'd have posted over on "Is this Spam?" instead.
>164 Lyndatrue: If you don't think it should be flagged, you can delete your post or replace the text with "nevermind", etc. It happens all the time.
Why was one of my topics zapped? Why would a post about Wowbrary be zapped? It is an email service for library devotees! Informing library patrons about available books should not be an issue at LibraryThing!!!!!
I didn't see your posts, so I don't know how they were worded, but it's a bit of a red flag when someone makes multiple posts pushing a product or service.
Different people are members of different groups.
Making LibraryThing more user-friendly for library devotees should NOT be considered a posting issue.
>167 Molly3028: I'd been trying all day to come up with a good post to leave on your profile page, but in the end, other things distracted me, and I didn't get to it.
Your post was borderline, and I did hesitate to flag it, but when I found another, then it tipped the decision, and I flagged both. You posted it in multiple places (I found and listed three). I realize that you feel wronged, but the places you posted in were random, and not well suited for the announcement. I gently point out that none of the places you posted were oriented towards Libraries, or similar.
I'm sure that your enthusiasm for the subject/book may have pushed you in the direction of posting in multiple places. My guess is that if you hadn't posted in Book Talk with your announcement, no one in Spam Fighters would have noticed.
Since library-related sites on the Internet are few in number, zapping
info about one of them makes no sense on a site that claims to be
"Library Thing." "Book Thing" would be a more appropriate name.
Wowbrary.com is working to expand the usefulness of public
libraries for its patrons.
Your dictates/rules are senseless and not library or library-patron friendly.
>171 Molly3028: then maybe the site you're pushing like an advertiser should talk to the admin of this site to work out an agreement?
This has to do with keeping ALL advertising to a minimum. Otherwise we get overwhelmed and become as bad as Good Reads, or potentially worse.
Honestly, we are a book cataloging site. NOT a library site, NOT a loaning site, NOT a place to advertise.
>172 Molly3028: You sure sounded like a paid member of the other site. Your post was uninformative, but full of 'oh, wow, this is one great thing, you must visit and you'll see'. It was clearly spam to my eyes
At first I thought this was just in Book Talk, but she's posted in multiple places.
That last is in a group she made just for posting about the book.
I'm about to flag the profile. This doesn't mean you have to, but I suspect it's not going to end well. I've also flagged the group she made. This is a person who has thought things through. I gently point out that it's late, and headed into the weekend.
Group is join to post (and flag) and still needs one flag on the topic.
tarot readings, black magic, divorce problems etc.
in RSI thread!
This law group is being particularly persistent. Fourth time needing to zap them
It seems a bit early, yet again.
ETA: Already gone, yet again.
This profile has been flagged a couple of times, and more importantly, the spam posted by the account is long gone, with four flags. It ought to be gone, now, too, and yet it's still there (and still, I'd like to point out, capable of posting more spam).
This topic is not marked as primarily about any work, author or other topic.