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Why I voted "no"? (Tag separation/combination) #13

This is a continuation of the topic Why I voted "no"? (Tag separation/combination) #12.

This topic was continued by Why I voted "no"? (Tag separation/combination) #14.

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1lilithcat
Jul 29, 2019, 6:35pm Top

Please note that the birth/death dates are completely different for Winfield Scott and Winfield Scott Hancock. They are not the same person!

Winfield Scott Lt/gen 1786-1866 Cmdg Gen US Army (= CoS) 1841-61
Winfield Scott Hancock (1824-1886)

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Winfield+Scott+Hancock+%281824-1886%29#co...

2lilithcat
Jul 29, 2019, 6:35pm Top

Please note that the birth/death dates are completely different for Winfield Scott and Winfield Scott Hancock. They are not the same person!

Winfield Scott Lt/gen 1786-1866 Cmdg Gen US Army (= CoS) 1841-61
Winfield Scott Hancock (1824-1886)

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Winfield+Scott+Hancock+%281824-1886%29#co...

3SandraArdnas
Edited: Jul 29, 2019, 7:04pm Top

Indeed, according to Wikipedia "Various individuals, including Union General Winfield Scott Hancock, Confederate General Winfield Scott Featherston, and Admiral Winfield Scott Schley, were named after General Scott." I'm puzzled how all these people named in his honor ended up with high military ranks, but they are definitely not the same person

4karenb
Jul 30, 2019, 1:04am Top

>1 lilithcat:

Oh good grief, I've got to stop the late-night combining. Thanks for catching that.

5lilithcat
Jul 30, 2019, 8:56am Top

>4 karenb:

Either that or more caffeine!

6MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jul 31, 2019, 3:31am Top

Not every textbook is an accounting textbook.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/accounting+textbook#combinations

I wish those suggesting combinations would look at the tag pages they want to combine.

7AndreasJ
Jul 31, 2019, 3:41am Top

>6 MarthaJeanne:

I'm willing to bet that one was accidental.

8karenb
Jul 31, 2019, 4:58am Top

>6 MarthaJeanne:
>7 AndreasJ:
Yes, it was a copy-and-paste error. I figured it was obvious enough that I didn't need to add it to the boneheaded thread.

9MarthaJeanne
Aug 2, 2019, 8:55am Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Pop+Staples

I can't figure out why someone would want to combine this with
http://www.librarything.com/tag/Roebuck

10lilithcat
Aug 2, 2019, 9:01am Top

>9 MarthaJeanne:

That's very odd. The proposer is quite active, and her mistakes are generally of the type where the two tags are very similar and a mistake can easily be made. I don't know where this one came from.

karenb - we're curious!

11karenb
Edited: Aug 2, 2019, 3:14pm Top

Argh. Roebuck is Pop Staples' given name (I hadn't known, either). The combo should've been with

Roebuck "Pop" Staples

Thanks for the catch! Have proposed the combination I meant to.

12lilithcat
Aug 2, 2019, 5:16pm Top

>11 karenb:

I thought there must be a reasonable explanation!

13lilithcat
Aug 2, 2019, 7:29pm Top

I think people are using the tag "aka" to mean that a book has an alternate title (a/k/a/ meaning "also known as"). But aka is clearly not the same as aka "8 To 9": http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/aka+%228+To+9%22#combinations

14MarthaJeanne
Edited: Aug 7, 2019, 11:39am Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/gift+from+mujer#combinations

Mujer is Spanish for 'woman'. It can also mean 'wife'. It is not the same as mother.

15karenb
Aug 10, 2019, 2:02am Top

OK, please vote NO to combine "Kay Scarpetta" with "Scarpetta Cornwell". I hadn't realized that there was a tag for (Scarpetta + Cornwell.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Cornwell+Scarpetta#combinations

16lilithcat
Aug 12, 2019, 9:32am Top

"The gas station" is used for a book of poems, and there is a poem titled "The Gas Station" (in fact, there is more than one). I don't know for certain that it is included in this book, but it seems likely.

Therefore, I would not combine it with "gas station", which is used more generally.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/The+Gas+station#combinations

17MarthaJeanne
Aug 12, 2019, 9:44am Top

>16 lilithcat: According to the Table of Contents in 'Look Inside' it includes 'The Gas Station' by C. K. Williams.

18lilithcat
Aug 12, 2019, 9:46am Top

>17 MarthaJeanne:

Thanks! So those two tags definitely should be kept separate.

19MarthaJeanne
Aug 14, 2019, 3:07pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/poplar+culture#combinations

A poplar is a kind of tree. If it is planted and cared for, that is 'poplar culture'.

20Stevil2001
Aug 15, 2019, 8:40am Top

>19 MarthaJeanne: Did you really just add Poplar Culture in North America to your Wishlist so that you could tag it "poplar culture" so that you could oppose this tag combination where all of the other items with that tag are obviously misspellings of "popular culture"? lol

21MarthaJeanne
Aug 15, 2019, 10:10am Top

There are a number of books in LT about poplar culture, just not tagged that. It seemed to make sense to get the tag onto one of them.

22SandraArdnas
Aug 16, 2019, 2:43pm Top

01-discworld tag does not refer to the first volume in the series, or even a work by Pratchett, but to a book about Pratchett.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/01-discworld#combinations

Also, the various tags that refer to volumes in the Narnia series are one huge mess, point sometimes to a dozen works, instead of say 6th volume. I'm not sure how to untanlge those, but I voted yes for proposals where a straggler tag corresponds to what the tag is supposed to be about, and no to those that would just add to the mess

23norabelle414
Aug 16, 2019, 2:46pm Top

>22 SandraArdnas: Narnia can be especially contentious since there are two possible series orders, to the point where different editions have different book numbers printed on the spine.

24lilithcat
Aug 16, 2019, 2:50pm Top

>22 SandraArdnas:, >23 norabelle414:

RE: Narnia - and there are films, too, if I'm not mistaken?

25SandraArdnas
Aug 16, 2019, 2:54pm Top

>23 norabelle414: Yes, that is enough of a headache on its own, but the tag page/s were the majority has already been combined contain all sorts of other stuff too. I have a headache from those proposals and my attempts to reason about them, LOL

26gilroy
Aug 16, 2019, 3:32pm Top

>22 SandraArdnas: >23 norabelle414: >24 lilithcat: Be careful on all the recommendations by that user. They're putting in the same tag combo multiple times. I guess figuring if one fails, another may pass? Not sure, but I know I saw the same Rincewind combo at least twice.

27SandraArdnas
Aug 16, 2019, 3:51pm Top

>26 gilroy: It's not normally possible to propose the same pair twice (not until the proposed pair is closed). The system registers it's already proposed and nothing happens. Either there's a space or something making them different tags, or the repetitions are some buggy behavior. I've seen seemingly same pairs appear 3 or 4 times in a row occasionally.

28gilroy
Aug 16, 2019, 3:57pm Top

>27 SandraArdnas: The system does allow the same recommendation multiple times. Last I checked, there's no block to recommending the same things over and over.

29SandraArdnas
Edited: Aug 16, 2019, 4:18pm Top

>28 gilroy: I've done it a few times accidentally, but no additional pairs were created.

Sometimes when proposing you don't catch that two different tags are already combined, and you believe you're proposing a different pair when in reality you're proposing the same pair only different aliases. But none of those ever registered as a new pair. I know because I kept wondering why no new pair was added, and at first I tried repeatedly, LOL. It seems as if it will be added, but it doesn't

30gilroy
Aug 17, 2019, 8:02am Top

>29 SandraArdnas: Then maybe you're the lucky one. I've had new pairs created and seen others create new pairs.

31karenb
Aug 17, 2019, 1:29pm Top

The Apple II computer is often (geekily) typed as Apple or Apple //. The books tagged this way seem to be about programming (circa mid-1980s) or the history of Apple.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/apple+%5D%5B#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/apple+%252F%252F#combinations

32lilithcat
Aug 21, 2019, 9:02am Top

The tag "Sales Pitch" refers to a short story by Philip K. Dick. The tag sales pitch does not.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/sales+pitch#combinations

33lilithcat
Aug 24, 2019, 8:30pm Top

"Cherry Aims" is not a misspelling of "Cherry Ames". It's from a parody book.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Cherry+Ames#combinations

34lilithcat
Aug 26, 2019, 11:04am Top

The tag "Mirrors" refers to a short story by David Eagleman. The tag mirrors refers to the object.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/mirrors#combinations

35lilithcat
Aug 26, 2019, 11:09am Top

"library sale" could refer to books given to a library sale as well as books acquired there. So I wouldn't combine it with "*from library sale".

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/%2Afrom+library+sale#combinations

36lilithcat
Aug 28, 2019, 9:13pm Top

"Air Samuel Ferguson" is a typo for "Sir Samuel Ferguson", who was an Irish poet.

"Samuel Ferguson" includes works by Sir Samuel, but is also used for a book about the American Civil War, and therefore likely refers instead to the Confederate general.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Samuel+Ferguson#combinations

37Zoes_Human
Edited: Aug 29, 2019, 10:43am Top

East Village is the name of areas in New York, Nova Scotia, Devon, Liverpool, London, Des Moines, Flint, Kansas City, Long Beach, San Diego, and Visalia. (And a diner in the eastern part of the town I live in though I find it unlikely that anyone would tag that :) )

Easter Rising is also the name of a musical that has nothing to do with the 1916 rebellion.

39Zoes_Human
Edited: Aug 29, 2019, 8:04pm Top

>38 MarthaJeanne: Thank you so much! There's still a lot to learn around here.

40Edward
Aug 30, 2019, 3:16am Top

Adult Film is used for erotic and pornographic films. Film adulte is used for the broader category of films aimed at adults rather than children. (Combination proposal)

41Edward
Aug 31, 2019, 3:28am Top

There are many good proposals recently involving case studies, but this one has misread "ethics" and "failures" as the same word: Case studies of business ethics in the United States and Business failures - united states - case studies (Combination proposal)

42karenb
Aug 31, 2019, 4:21pm Top

>40 Edward:, >41 Edward:
Thanks for catching these.

43lilithcat
Sep 1, 2019, 8:56am Top

Aside from the singular/plural distinction, isn't there a difference between "Nominees" and "finalists" for awards?

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Philip+K.+Dick+nominee#combinations

And "no comment" about "dick award"!! (I'm tempted to make a long list of nominees for that one.)

Also, I wouldn't combine an unused tag of the award URL, with "philip k dick finalists": http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/philipkdickaward.org#combinations

44Edward
Sep 1, 2019, 9:19am Top

Graham Greene auto/biog is apparently used for both autobiographical works by Greene and biographical works about him by others. I've voted against combining with autobiography graham greene. (Combination proposal)

45gilroy
Sep 1, 2019, 9:41am Top

>43 lilithcat: Well, all finalists were nominees, but not all nominees are finalists...

46Stevil2001
Sep 1, 2019, 9:43am Top

>43 lilithcat: I think it depends on the award. For Hugos, for example, "finalists" and "nominees" would be synonymous. For awards that do official longlists before finalists, I would say not. I don't know the Philip K. Dick Award well enough to say.

47karenb
Sep 1, 2019, 1:16pm Top

>43 lilithcat:

Yes! and not in this case. The Philip K Dick Award announces the final ballot as being the list of nominees. It does not refer to finalists as a separate group. (https://www.philipkdickaward.org/)

(This info is now in the warnings/disambiguations for the link you posted.)

48karenb
Sep 1, 2019, 1:18pm Top

>47 karenb:
And someday perhaps someone will fix the CK to use "nominee" instead of "finalist". Only 190 works.... (I may even do it, myself, eventually.)

49lilithcat
Sep 1, 2019, 4:48pm Top

In addition to the evangelist, "Billy Graham" may refer to the wrestler or the comic book artist, both of whom have author pages on LT.

So I don't think the "Billy Graham" tag should be combined with "Graham. William Franklin" or "Rev. Billy Graham ": http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Billy+Graham#combinations

50MarthaJeanne
Sep 1, 2019, 5:07pm Top

>49 lilithcat: I have put a warning on that page.

51Edward
Sep 5, 2019, 2:49am Top

The 215 books tagged [Richmond] have no obvious connection to anything or anyone called Richmond – possibly it is the location of the tagger's copies. Combining it with Richmond would only make the combined tag less coherent. (Combination proposal)

52Zoes_Human
Sep 5, 2019, 9:24am Top

>51 Edward: Good catch. Also possible the single account using it is distinguishing which book belongs to whom in a family library.

53Zoes_Human
Sep 5, 2019, 9:50am Top

Lance Armstrong may refer to Australian politician Lance John Edward Armstrong or to US cyclist Lance Edward Armstrong. I've added a disambiguation notice.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Lance+Armstrong#combinations

54karenb
Sep 7, 2019, 12:52am Top

"Fantasy-comic" refers, in some cases, to comics/graphical stories in fantasy settings. "Comic fantasy" is fantasy that is humorous.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/fantasy-comic#combinations

55Zoes_Human
Edited: Sep 7, 2019, 10:29am Top

>54 karenb: I find both tags ambiguous regarding these specific definitions. Both tags are being used for both graphic novels and prose-only novels as well. In fact, the graphics tagged could be rightly said to be both comical fantasy and fantasy comics For example, Asterix (tagged comic fantasy) is both, so is Groo (which is tagged as fantasy-comic).

56SandraArdnas
Sep 7, 2019, 11:00am Top

Fantasy-comic all seem to be comic fantasy, whether they are in graphic novel form or plain fiction. I opened a few graphic novels and they are tagged additionally as graphic novel, so I assume fantasy-comic is a genre tag. I don't see any that are graphic novels not in that genre

57Edward
Sep 7, 2019, 12:05pm Top

Bill Baird and Bil Baird are different people – respectively an Australian farmer and an American puppeteer. I've added details to the tab disambiguation pages. (Combination proposal)

58Zoes_Human
Sep 9, 2019, 8:48am Top

Andalusia may refer towns in Alabama, Florida, Illinois, and Pennsylvania as well as the community in Spain and a historic building in Los Angeles.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Andalusia#combinations

59Zoes_Human
Sep 10, 2019, 8:39am Top

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/female+comics+illustrators#combinations

A comics artist could refer to someone who was an illustrator, penciller, inker, or letterer. Whereas one could call a letterer an artist, one would not refer to them as an illustrator. I'm on the fence about whether or not you could call a penciller that or not. Art credits get complicated with graphics.

60aspirit
Edited: Sep 10, 2019, 10:57am Top

I also voted No. Sometimes when I refer to a "comic artist", I'm referring to the writer, who might perform illustration duties while not taking credit as the illustrator (another person on each project).

61Edward
Sep 11, 2019, 3:22am Top

Thomas Carlisle is apparently an error for the Victorian writer Thomas Carlyle. Tomas Carlisle is a character in the novel The Rugged Loner (source: author's website). (Combination proposal)

62Edward
Sep 11, 2019, 3:33am Top

Alan Sears is the author of A Good Book, In Theory. Meanwhile, Allan Sears is an actor (IMDb) featured in Essential Silent 5. (Combination proposal)

63lilithcat
Sep 11, 2019, 8:21am Top

>62 Edward:

You might want to edit the disambiguation notice to reflect that. As it stands, the notice simply says that there is more than one “Alan Sears”, which is not a reason to vote against the combination.

64Edward
Sep 11, 2019, 11:30am Top

>63 lilithcat: Thanks, I've now edited the two Sears disambiguation notices to distinguish them explicitly.

65MarthaJeanne
Sep 12, 2019, 3:43am Top

There are many possible meanings for USRA
http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/USRA#combinations

Usra is a girl's name

It can also mean
Universities Space Research Association
Ultrasound for Regional Anesthesia
United States Racing Association

66Stevil2001
Sep 12, 2019, 1:20pm Top

>65 MarthaJeanne: For those of us who take usage into account, though, it should be noted that all existing uses of USRA are on train-related items. I for one voted "yes."

67karenb
Sep 12, 2019, 11:17pm Top

>65 MarthaJeanne: >66 Stevil2001:, re: "USRA" tag
I admit that I looked primarily at usage for that tag. Thanks for finding further info, MarthaJeanne.

68karenb
Sep 12, 2019, 11:25pm Top

"Chief Justice Warren" often means Earl Warren, but it might also refer to Marilyn Warren of Australia.
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Chief+Justice+Warren#combinations

"Justice Warren" surely has more possibilities (including someone with "Justice" as their given name)
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Justice+Warren#combinations

69fdholt
Sep 14, 2019, 11:16am Top

The Library of Congress is very specific in its headings. When they add a state to a city, it means just the city. When they add state then region, it means the city and its surrounding areas. So Hampton Roads (Va.) is a different meaning than Hampton Roads (Va. : Region).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Hampton+Roads+%28Va%3A+Region%29#combina...

70karenb
Sep 14, 2019, 2:55pm Top

>69 fdholt: Oh, that's useful, both for combining and for making tags. Thanks.

71norabelle414
Sep 14, 2019, 10:47pm Top

>69 fdholt: That's good to know in general, but in this case Hampton Roads is itself a region, not a city
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Roads

72fdholt
Sep 15, 2019, 1:49pm Top

>71 norabelle414: Doesn't matter - the heading just extends the region. You can also add the heading to rivers and bays.

73lilithcat
Sep 15, 2019, 11:15pm Top

Another "fiction"/"skönlitteratur" proposal: http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/American+fiction#combinations

74Edward
Sep 16, 2019, 2:54am Top

>72 fdholt: Yes, and I see that LCSH specifically distinguishes between:Someone using an unqualified LCSH-like tag is likely to mean the harbor, and I agree the tag shouldn't be combined with one that specifies the region.

75Edward
Sep 16, 2019, 3:00am Top

The tag Heart Surgery ? is only used for Is Heart Surgery Necessary?: What Your Doctor Won't Tell You, so I think the question mark is meant to indicate uncertainty or scepticism. I've voted against combining with heart surgery. (Combination proposal)

76SandraArdnas
Edited: Sep 16, 2019, 6:19am Top

It doesn't change the fact the topic is heart surgery. Not every book tagged simply heart surgery is a strictly medical manual of sorts. In fact, they are not among the most prominent books tagged at all. There's fiction, as well as all sorts of 'popular' non-fiction there

https://www.librarything.com/tag/heart+surgery

77lilithcat
Sep 16, 2019, 8:27am Top

>75 Edward:, >76 SandraArdnas:

I think the interrogation point creates sufficient difference in thinking as to warrant keeping the tags separate.

78lilithcat
Sep 16, 2019, 11:49pm Top

The tag "3d graphics" is used for pop-up books as well as computer graphics: http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/3d+graphics#combinations

79Edward
Edited: Sep 17, 2019, 4:40pm Top

The books tagged [Aberdeen] don't seem related to Aberdeen, unless it's the location of the user's copies. I've voted against combining with Aberdeen. (Combination proposal)

80karenb
Sep 18, 2019, 8:19pm Top

In addition to the philosopher, Wikipedia lists a film director named Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1946-2014).

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Jean-Jacques+Rousseau#combinations

(I also proposed separating the tags-with-dates that were previously combined.)

81jjwilson61
Sep 19, 2019, 11:22am Top

There are many people named George Washington too. Wikipedia lists a bunch of them (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_(name)). Would you suggest separating the tag George Washington from George Washington (1732-1799)?

If I had a book by the film director Rousseau, I'd probably have heard of the philosopher so if I wanted to tag the book with the director's name, I'd probably add (director) or something to the end. But if I had a book about the philosopher the chances are really small that I'd add (philosopher) to it, unless I also had the book on the director, which seems unlikely.

82MarthaJeanne
Sep 19, 2019, 11:24am Top

>82 MarthaJeanne: "Would you suggest separating the tag George Washington from George Washington (1732-1799)? " Yes.

83jjwilson61
Sep 19, 2019, 11:33am Top

>82 MarthaJeanne: This isn't an abstract game; it's about making the site more useful. And separating two tags that are always used in the same way in practice (I really doubt that anyone would tag a book about one of the other George Washington's without a distinguisher) makes the site less useful.

84MarthaJeanne
Sep 19, 2019, 3:16pm Top

Actually, since the tag has been used over a thousand times, many of the tagged books do not at present show up on the tag page. Having two tag pages might let some of the rarer books show up.

85prosfilaes
Sep 20, 2019, 6:32am Top

>84 MarthaJeanne: So? If you want randomness, there's a random book function. If you want more books visible per tag, or a way to get a random book by tag, requests could be made for that. It's similar to an argument that we should put some biographies of George Washington under BIO Geo and some under BIO Was so that some of the rarer books might get checked out. Tag mashes are broken if books aren't all listed under one tag.

86lilithcat
Sep 20, 2019, 8:18pm Top

The tag "Correspondence Course" refers to a short story by Raymond F. Jones that appears in the only book so tagged.

correspondence course (no quotation marks) refers to, well, courses taken by correspondence.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/correspondence+course#combinations

87MarthaJeanne
Sep 21, 2019, 9:41pm Top

Waste can be sold whether or not it is solid.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/solid+waste#combinations

88karenb
Sep 22, 2019, 1:51am Top

>87 MarthaJeanne:
True! I chose usage instead (tag used on one book, with "solid" in the title).

89MarthaJeanne
Sep 22, 2019, 2:11am Top

>88 karenb: I do not see solid in the title of A Community Guide to Environmental Health

90karenb
Sep 22, 2019, 2:16am Top

>89 MarthaJeanne:, sorry, it's in the pop-up description.

91lilithcat
Sep 25, 2019, 9:58am Top

Once again, a tag with quotation marks refers to a short story, the one without refers to other things:

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/%27Ship+of+Fools%27#combinations
http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/%22The+Wheel%22#combinations

92lilithcat
Sep 25, 2019, 10:02am Top

"Blues (Guitar)", "Guitar (Blues)", and "Guitar - Blues" seem to be all instructional books, while "blues guitar" is all records or books about musicians: http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/blues+guitar#combinations

93lilithcat
Sep 25, 2019, 4:50pm Top

"Social ethics" and "sexual ethics" overlap, but they are not the same: http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Sexual+ethics+--+Biblical+teaching#combin...

94Edward
Sep 27, 2019, 3:40pm Top

Few if any of the books tagged @denver are related to Denver. Possibly the tag just indicates the location of the user's copies. (Combination proposal)

95MarthaJeanne
Sep 27, 2019, 3:43pm Top

>94 Edward: That is generally true of tags starting with @

96Edward
Sep 28, 2019, 4:51pm Top

Bible Genealogy is used for genealogy in the Bible or the genealogy of Biblical figures. Meanwhile genealogy bible is used only for The Source: A Guidebook Of American Genealogy, which is not about the Bible but is known as "the genealogist's bible" according to its work description. (Combination proposal)

97MarthaJeanne
Sep 28, 2019, 5:55pm Top

New York (N.Y.) would be the city, and should not be combined with New York (State)

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/New+York+%28N.Y.%29+--+Genealogy+--+Bibli...

98MarthaJeanne
Oct 2, 2019, 5:05pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/pane#combinations

A pane of glass is not the same as bread.

99MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 4, 2019, 2:47am Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/munchausen+by+proxy#combinations

In Munchausen Syndrome a person causes symptoms in him/herself. In Munchausen by proxy, the symptoms are created in someone else (like a child). These are related, but not the same.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Neil+Simon#combinations

There are people named Neil Simon. There are other people named Simon Neil.

100Edward
Oct 4, 2019, 4:30pm Top

The books tagged ♞Dover with a chess piece are all about chess. I've voted against combining with Dover. (Combination proposal)

101MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 4, 2019, 4:54pm Top

>100 Edward: It would seem to be for http://www.librarything.com/publisherseries/Dover+Books+on+Chess. That member has many other books published by Dover without that tag.

102Edward
Oct 5, 2019, 9:02am Top

Some sources distinguish between "art glass" and "glass art" (Wikipedia: AG, GA; LCSH: AG, GA). I've voted against the proposals to combine Art - Glass with both Art Glass and glass art. (Combination proposals)

103fdholt
Oct 5, 2019, 11:55am Top

Pressed glass -- Collectors and collecting -- United States
means collecting and collectors in the US

Pressed glass -- United States -- Collectors and collecting
means US pressed glass collected by collectors anywhere in the world.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Pressed+glass+--+United+States+--+Collec...

104MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 5, 2019, 12:27pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/Czechoslovakian+glass

Czech is not an abbreviation for Czechoslovakian. The former Czechoslovakia is now divided between the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Glass is made in both countries.

105Edward
Oct 5, 2019, 1:55pm Top

Currently glass- fiction is used only for fiction about glass, and Fiction Glass is used only for fiction by authors named Glass. Both tags have very few books and it's possible usage may converge if more people use them in future, but I don't think it would be helpful to combine them at present. (Combination proposal)

106karenb
Oct 6, 2019, 5:10am Top

There is a character named Young Neil in the Scott Pilgrim books and movie. Please do not combine with Neil Young. (Have added this to the Young Neil disambiguation section.)

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Young+Neil#combinations

107MarthaJeanne
Oct 6, 2019, 7:49am Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/David+Rubin#combinations

David Rubín (1977- )

should not be confused with

David Rubin (1976- )
David Rubin (1924-2008)
David C. Rubin (Psychologist at Duke University)
...

108MarthaJeanne
Oct 12, 2019, 6:41pm Top

AI can mean both Artificial Intelligence and Artificial Insemination.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/AI#combinations

109aspirit
Oct 13, 2019, 1:07pm Top

I voted no to combining "AI" and "Künstliche Intelligenz (KI)" because there's no works to suggest how the KI tagged might be used.

110MarthaJeanne
Oct 16, 2019, 4:19am Top

Papillon is not only the French for butterfly. It is also a dog breed, and is used in that meaning.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/papillons#combinations

http://www.librarything.com/work/1359095

111Edward
Oct 19, 2019, 11:08am Top

The tag writing criticism sometimes appears to mean "writing of criticism", rather than Criticism of Writing – and the latter tag doesn't seem to be used anyway. (Combination proposal)

112MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 21, 2019, 2:52am Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/dictionnaire+de+russe#combinations

Russian Dictionary is mostly English-Russian books. Dictionaire de russe has several French-Russian books, but no English-Russian ones.

113MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 21, 2019, 8:46am Top

This comes up every year.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/2019+Jul#combinations and others. Jul can be short for July, or it can mean Christmas in several languages.

114karenb
Edited: Oct 21, 2019, 8:33am Top

>113 MarthaJeanne:
Argh! And I know that. Thank you for catching it, again.

ETA: I've added to the Disambiguation notice for "2019 Jul" and also "Jul".

115Edward
Oct 21, 2019, 3:29pm Top

2019- with the hyphen is likely to mean "2019 onward" rather than just 2019. (Combination proposal)

116Edward
Oct 21, 2019, 3:50pm Top

Recommended by Elizabeth and recommended by Elisabeth (combination proposal) are used by different users and presumably refer to recommendations by different people. It doesn't seem helpful to combine recommendations by two people just because they happen to have similar names.

Similarly for EC Recommended and recommended by EC (combination proposal).

117karenb
Oct 23, 2019, 2:04am Top

"Writing" is something that you can look at OR do. "Criticism of Writing" is only the kind that you look at. "writing criticism" tags that stuff plus works on how to write criticism.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/writing+criticism#combinations

118gilroy
Oct 23, 2019, 5:26am Top

119karenb
Oct 23, 2019, 5:38am Top

>118 gilroy: (d'oh. short-term what? memory?) Edward is clearly a person of taste and distinction.

120lilithcat
Edited: Oct 24, 2019, 3:50pm Top

'Ruby Tuesday' is a short story. Ruby Tuesday is a song by the Rolling Stones.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/%27Ruby+Tuesday%27#combinations

122MarthaJeanne
Edited: Oct 31, 2019, 2:52am Top

There are suggestions to combine LT Secret Santa with SantaThing. There are groups that do Secret Santa in the group, so I have voted against these proposals.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/LT+Secret+Santa+2013#combinations
http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/LT+Secret+Santa+2017#combinations

123Edward
Nov 2, 2019, 6:19am Top

Anita Loo is an actor who appeared in the film Experiment in Terror (IMDb). Anita Loos is an author (LT author page). (Combination proposal)

124Edward
Nov 3, 2019, 3:20am Top

I think "Junk - fiction" is being used for fiction about junk, while "junk fiction" is being used for fiction that the user thinks is junk. (Combination proposal).

125Edward
Nov 3, 2019, 3:25am Top

In A- Blair Underwood the "A" stands for "actor", not "author".

126MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 3, 2019, 3:35am Top

Places that are referred to as MN include Minnesoto, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro...
http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/MN+setting#combinations and others.

127lilithcat
Edited: Nov 4, 2019, 3:52pm Top

American bison are not the only ones. There is an extant European species as well, and there were (now extinct) species in Asia.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/American+bison+-+Fiction#combinations

Two Glacier National Parks exist - one in British Columbia, Canada, and one in Montana, United States.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Glacier+National+Park#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Glacier+National+Park+%28fiction%29#comb...
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Glacier+National+Park+%28Montana%29+-+Tr...

128karenb
Nov 4, 2019, 7:13pm Top

>127 lilithcat:

D'oh! Thank you.

130fdholt
Edited: Nov 6, 2019, 7:01pm Top

>129 lilithcat:
And John C. Calhoun can be:
Calhoun, John C. (John Caldwell), 1843-1918
Calhoun, John Caldwell, 1823-1855
Calhoun, John C. (John Caldwell)
Calhoun, John C., 1932-

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/John+C.+Calhoun#combinations

Edited to add: The third is John C. Calhoun, Jr. who is a chemistry professor.

131karenb
Nov 6, 2019, 7:18pm Top

>130 fdholt: *facepalm

Thanks for catching these.

132fdholt
Nov 6, 2019, 7:56pm Top

>131 karenb:

The problem with these types of combinations is that, today, there is one Michael D. Jacobs who is Michael Dillon Jacobs. Tomorrow Michael D. Jacobs writes a novel but he is Michael Damon Jacobs. (And these are made up examples since there is no Michael D. in our database just yet, but I see this type of thing all the time when I do author splits.)

133lilithcat
Nov 6, 2019, 9:49pm Top

134fdholt
Nov 9, 2019, 12:23pm Top

Juvenile fiction and juvenile literature are two different things, Literature is a wide term meaning fiction, poetry, drama, non-fiction, etc.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Jumping+--+Juvenile+fiction#combinations

135lilithcat
Nov 9, 2019, 4:46pm Top

South Africa and the Soviet Union are definitely not the same place.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Political+prisoners+%E2%80%BA+South+Afri...

136karenb
Nov 9, 2019, 4:53pm Top

137lilithcat
Nov 10, 2019, 10:23pm Top

Not all books tagged "Henry Miller" are about or by the author. So the tag with his birth/death dates should not be combined with the name alone.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Henry+Miller+1891-1980#combinations

138fdholt
Nov 13, 2019, 6:44pm Top

Charles Dickens refers to Charles Dickens (the famous author) and to his son.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Charles+Dickens#combinations

139fdholt
Nov 15, 2019, 8:14pm Top

Donald Trump refers to three people:

Trump, Donald, 1946-
Trump, Donald, Jr., 1977-
Trump, Donald L. (Donald Lynn), 1945- who has nothing to do with the previous 2

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Donald+Trump#combinations

140lilithcat
Nov 18, 2019, 8:26pm Top

"Arlington Cemetery" may refer to cemeteries other than "Arlington National Cemetery".

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Arlington+National+Cemetery#combinations

141MarthaJeanne
Nov 19, 2019, 5:36pm Top

144lilithcat
Nov 26, 2019, 7:43pm Top

There's a difference between the "1800s" and the "late 1800s": https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Virginia+%28fiction%3B+1800s%29#combinat...

145lilithcat
Edited: Dec 3, 2019, 1:24pm Top

146MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 4, 2019, 8:07am Top

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147lilithcat
Dec 4, 2019, 11:55am Top

"Jed Hotchkiss" is used for both the comic book inker: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jed-hotchkiss/4040-58541/issues-cover/ and the Civil War era educator and cartographer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedediah_Hotchkiss

"Jedediah Hotchkiss" and "Col. Jed Hotchkiss" refer only to the latter.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Jed+Hotchkiss#combinations

148MarthaJeanne
Edited: Dec 7, 2019, 5:01am Top

Whether or not people want to keep all (1) and Book 1 suggestions separate, Harry Potter certainly has both books and movies, so the Harry Potter book tags need to be separate from the unspecified ones.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Harry+Potter+07#combinations

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Harry+Potter+%236#combinations

and so on.

There are separations needed on some of these.

149Edward
Dec 9, 2019, 3:03am Top

The tag fantasy science-fiction doesn't seem to be in use, but I'd expect it to mean "works that are both fantasy and science fiction" – whereas Science Fiction/Fantasy is used mostly for works that are one of those genres but not both. (Combination proposal)

150aspirit
Dec 9, 2019, 10:29am Top

I voted No because, IMO, the unused "fantasy science-fiction" should be with "fantasy sci-fi". I'm annoyed about not being able to see which 36 works are currently tagged with "fantasy sci-fi" while it's combined with "Science Fiction/Fantasy".

The Science Fiction/Fantasy tag is being used the way "SF/F" is used elsewhere. That's different than "science fantasy" or "fantastical science fiction", so I'm curious what "fantasy science-fiction" means here. The distinction has been lost with the combinations.

(Oddly, "sff" is a separate tag that currently grabs the 862 uses of "fantasy SF", so "fantasy SF" is being kept separate from the other two being added to "Science Fiction/Fantasy"!)

151lilithcat
Dec 9, 2019, 11:13am Top

>150 aspirit:

sff" is a separate tag that currently grabs the 862 uses of "fantasy SF

Sound as though some separations should be proposed.

152aspirit
Dec 9, 2019, 6:17pm Top

>151 lilithcat: agreed. I might make those proposals later this week if no one with more experience with tag separations and combinations does it first.

153fdholt
Dec 16, 2019, 3:37pm Top

There are s series of combinations which include --Fiction and in fiction. The first means that the book is fiction and deals with the subject listed. "in fiction" means a non-fiction book that is about the subject in fiction books. (And yes, I know that it is used incorrectly in some cases.)

A few:
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/priests+in+fiction#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Detectives+in+fiction#combinations
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Private+Detectives+in+fiction#combinatio...

154lilithcat
Dec 22, 2019, 11:01pm Top

There is no such thing as the "Nobel Peace Prize for Literature": http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Nobel+Peace+Prize+for+Literature#combinat...

155karenb
Edited: Dec 23, 2019, 12:48am Top

>154 lilithcat: No, there isn't. But combining it with the correct term, Nobel Prize in Literature, sank like a stone. (Which is your point, yes?)

By which I mean, trying to help fix brain typos is not as good an idea as trying to fix finger typos. I will try to avoid doing this in the future. Thanks!

156karenb
Dec 23, 2019, 4:28am Top

https://www.librarything.com/work/18236131

It's a typo for Color moves by Linda Kemshall. Combining to happen after the spam voting ends.

157MarthaJeanne
Dec 23, 2019, 4:31am Top

Wrong title, author listed first last, but why listed as spam?

158gilroy
Dec 23, 2019, 6:53am Top

>157 MarthaJeanne: Because that user separates out all zero copy works then marks them as spam.

159lilithcat
Dec 23, 2019, 9:40am Top

>158 gilroy:

That's weird.

160MarthaJeanne
Dec 23, 2019, 10:59am Top

Then we get to vote it down and recombine.

161MarthaJeanne
Dec 26, 2019, 9:00am Top

162Edward
Dec 29, 2019, 4:11am Top

I'm open to contradiction by someone with a better understanding of the French, but I would understand bible de référence to mean a "reference Bible" in the sense of a Bible published or used for reference, whereas Reference/Bible is likely to mean a reference work about the Bible. (Combination proposal)

163Edward
Dec 29, 2019, 4:18am Top

The tag Scots-English is used just once, for a bilingual dictionary also tagged "English-Scots" by the same user. The intended meaning is apparently "Scots to English [dictionary]". The tag scots english isn't used for dictionaries, and probably means "Scots, considered as a dialect of English". (Combination proposal)

164MarthaJeanne
Jan 1, 3:47am Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/2016Jul#combinations

Jul can mean Christmas, so Jul and July should not be combined.

165lilithcat
Jan 1, 9:54am Top

>164 MarthaJeanne:

I've added a note in the "Warnings and Disambiguations" box. I know we've had this issue before.

166MarthaJeanne
Jan 1, 10:01am Top

Yes, many times before, but warning at each possible place is a lot of work.

http://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=jul&searchtype=tags&search...

167Edward
Jan 3, 3:48pm Top

The tag series: emelan: circle of magic refers to the series Circle of Magic by Tamora Pierce, which is set in the fictional place Emelan.

The tag series: circle of magic is not specific to Pierce's series, and is also used for a different series Circle of Magic: School of Wizardry by Debra Doyle.

(Combination proposal)

168lilithcat
Jan 5, 6:13pm Top

Although "conquerors" may be the translation of the Spanish "conquistadors", the latter is used here for books regarding the Spanish invasion of the Americas. The former has a much broader use, including on science fiction and books about Napoléon, Alexander of Macedon, etc.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/conquistadors#combinations

169AndreasJ
Jan 7, 12:06pm Top

The Spanish plural is anyway "conquistadores" with an extra 'e', so "conquistadors", unless a typo, is being used as an English or French word.

Incidentally, singular forms like "conquistador" is should perhaps be split from the "conquistadors" tag, following the usual practice. Various other tags combined into that might also need being looked at.

170lilithcat
Jan 12, 1:18pm Top

The tag 'Rite of Passage' is used, among other things, to refer to an episode of Stargate SG1 (see: https://www.reviewstream.com/reviews/?p=105295 and other tags on this work: http://www.librarything.com/work/2519726)

"Rites of passage" is something else.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/%27Rite+of+Passage%27#combinations

171karenb
Jan 12, 2:05pm Top

>170 lilithcat: just following previous combinations.

172lilithcat
Edited: Jan 12, 2:10pm Top

>171 karenb:

Not really, as 'Rite of Passage' includes quotation marks, the other singular forms combined with the plural do not. When I see that, I immediately look to see if there are songs, short stories, etc. associated with the word or phrase, as that's a common way to indicate those forms.

As for the others, they ought to be separated, according to the guideline Combining singular with plurals should be avoided in general found at https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Tag_combining

173MarthaJeanne
Jan 12, 2:52pm Top

>171 karenb: We now have voting because so many bad combinations were being made. A lot of those old combinations haven't been undone. There is no need to copy them.

174gilroy
Jan 12, 7:26pm Top

>172 lilithcat: I've suggested the three singular separations that are needed.

175karenb
Jan 14, 4:44am Top

!72-174

Okay, thank you for explaining.

176MarthaJeanne
Jan 14, 5:25pm Top

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/English+Bible#combinations

A quick look at the tag page will show several different English Bibles besides the NRSV (New Revised Standard Bible)

177lilithcat
Jan 14, 11:42pm Top

"Sts. Peter and Paul" is apparently the name of a Catholic church in Hamilton County, Ohio. See: http://www.librarything.com/tag/Sts.+Peter+and+Paul

"St. Peter and St. Paul" seems to be used for books referencing those two saints in various ways: http://www.librarything.com/tag/St.+Peter+and+St.+Paul

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Sts.+Peter+and+Paul#combinations

178Edward
Edited: Jan 16, 2:55pm Top

Coconut Grove is a neighbourhood of Miami (Wikipedia). Cocoanut Grove was a nightclub in Boston and the scene of a fire in 1942 (Wikipedia).

(Combination proposal)

179lilithcat
Jan 16, 5:27pm Top

The tag "The groves of academe" is applied only to an omnibus volume containing the work of that name by Mary McCarthy.

"groves of academe" includes that, but is also used for lots of books unrelated to McCarthy's.

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/The+groves+of+academe#combinations

180lilithcat
Edited: Jan 17, 7:50pm Top

"Women pioneers --West (U.S.) --Biography" is not the same as "pioneers - west (u.s.) - biography" (there were, in fact, men pioneers, too).

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Women+pioneers+--West+%28U.S.%29+--Biogra...

181Edward
Jan 19, 7:21am Top

Ivorian fiction is used only for a novel by an Ivorian author. Ivory Coast fiction is used only for a novel by a non-Ivorian author with an Ivory Coast setting. (Combination proposal)

182MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 19, 7:31am Top

183karenb
Jan 19, 8:29am Top

>181 Edward: & >182 MarthaJeanne:
(facepalm) Thank you.

184fdholt
Jan 23, 3:03pm Top

There is a difference between Dinosaurs--Fiction and Dinosaurs in fiction. The first means a fiction book; the second is a non-fiction book about fiction books about dinosaurs.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Dinosaurs--Fiction#combinations

See my comment #153 also.

185lilithcat
Jan 23, 3:21pm Top

>184 fdholt:

RE: Dinosaurs in fiction - all three of the books so tagged are children's books. And they are all fiction.

https://www.librarything.com/tag/Dinosaurs+in+fiction

186fdholt
Jan 23, 3:26pm Top

> Even so, the meaning is clear. Should we have to separate later when someone does use the correct meaning?

187jjwilson61
Jan 23, 3:45pm Top

>186 fdholt: I don't think the meaning is as clear as you think it is.

188SandraArdnas
Jan 23, 6:29pm Top

Do we really expect literary criticism about dinosaurs in fiction, which than members will tag exactly 'dinosaurs in fiction'? To me, both the meaning and usage are clearly in favor of combining.

189fdholt
Jan 23, 7:19pm Top

>187 jjwilson61:

We have a lot of libraries who use LT and who use Library of Congress headings as tags. Doesn't it make sense to follow LC in this instance?

190jjwilson61
Jan 23, 7:50pm Top

>189 fdholt: I wasn't talking about the LC tag. I was saying that to me "dinosaurs in fiction" sounds like fiction books with dinosaurs. If that's the same meaning as the LC tag then they should be combined.

191lilithcat
Jan 24, 11:38pm Top

"heroine" is the feminine of "hero". "heroïne" (note the umlaut) is Dutch for "heroin".

http://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/hero%C3%AFne#combinations

192MarthaJeanne
Edited: Jan 25, 3:42am Top

>191 lilithcat: I added a warning.

193Edward
Jan 26, 12:00pm Top

I don't see the value of combining various "Box 1" tags with different punctuations (combination proposals). Potentially one of these tags on its own could indicate related books that a user has stored together. But a combined tag will just cover books that happen to be stored in various boxes by various users, which won't have anything in common.

194MarthaJeanne
Jan 29, 5:09am Top

>193 Edward: These proposals are now failing.

195MarthaJeanne
Jan 29, 5:10am Top

Niger is

a country
a river
a state in Nigeria
various people and ships
the plant Guizotia abyssinica
Latin for black

Some, but not all of these are related to Africa.
https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Niger#combinations

196karenb
Jan 29, 1:59pm Top

>195 MarthaJeanne: Thanks for this catch. (I even know the Latin.)

197MarthaJeanne
Feb 4, 8:07am Top

https://www.librarything.com/tag/detail/Regnum+Congo#combinations

Regnum Congo refers to a scene in a Lovecraft novel.

198Edward
Feb 4, 3:21pm Top

I think to (re-)read means "to read or reread", not just "to reread". The other proposals involving to-reread seem good to me. (Combination proposals)

199DemetriosX
Feb 5, 6:59am Top

>197 MarthaJeanne: Short story, actually, and that's what all the current tags refer to, but it's more complicated than that. Regnum Congo is the Latin title of a 16th century book by Filippo Pigafetta about the Kingdom of Kongo. Said book plays a role in the story. I think I'm inclined to agree with your no vote, but it's messy.

200MarthaJeanne
Feb 5, 7:58am Top

>199 DemetriosX: Look at the tag pages. All the Regnum books are about Lovecraft. The book on the Kingdom page isn't.

201karenb
Feb 5, 10:18pm Top

>197 MarthaJeanne:, >199 DemetriosX:, >200 MarthaJeanne:

I agree with MarthaJeanne on this one, as I assmued that Lovecraft merely affected the latin for Kingdom Of Congo instead of digging deeper. (That darn Lovecraft!)

202DemetriosX
Feb 6, 6:35am Top

>200 MarthaJeanne: I did point out that currently all the tags point to Lovecraft. And, as I said, I'm inclined to agree. But it's not impossible that someone might someday catalog either Pigafetta's book or a scholarly work on that book. Of course, either of those cases would probably also be tagged "Kingdom of Congo". You're right, but it has the potential to get complicated down the road.

>201 karenb: Lovecraft was referring to an actual book. He wasn't above mixing real books with his made-up tomes for verisimilitude. In this case, he appears to have been working from someone else's description rather than having seen a copy somewhere (like the university library at Brown) since his descriptions of the pictures don't quite match the real thing.

203Cynfelyn
Feb 6, 1:39pm Top

Message no. 203.

Is it worth one of the owners creating thread #14? Thanks.

204karenb
Feb 6, 2:41pm Top

>203 Cynfelyn:
Anyone can do it! There's a link below the "Add a message" box: "Continue this topic in another topic"

205lilithcat
Feb 6, 5:19pm Top

And I am doing it.

Continuing in another thread, that is.

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