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2019: Lizzie Reads Less but Buys More - 3

This is a continuation of the topic 2019: Lizzie Reads Less but Buys More - 2.

75 Books Challenge for 2019

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1LizzieD
Edited: Sep 9, 10:46pm Top

November on the River




2LizzieD
Edited: Oct 17, 12:49pm Top

READ IN SEPTEMBER
41. The Outcast Dead
42. Red Moon
43. The Ghost Fields

Into the House in September
101. The Women of the Copper Country - Kindle (a splurge)
192. The Churchills - Kindle Deal through BookBub
193. The Ghost Fields
194. Blue Latitudes - PBS
195. The Lightning Thief - AMP

READ IN OCTOBER

Into the House in October
196. The Punishment She Deserves - PBS
197. And Only to Deceive - PBS

Out of the House
mine ~ 21 Wards' ~ 9

3LizzieD
Edited: Oct 9, 11:45pm Top

OPEN FOR READING IN SEPTEMBER

4LizzieD
Edited: Sep 9, 10:50pm Top

BEST OF THE FIRST HALF

5LizzieD
Sep 9, 10:54pm Top

Welcome to Thread 3 and Last of 2019!
I spent my reading time today with Red Moon. It seems lighter to me than the other KSRs I've read with not so much science and more thriller-type plotting. Suits me for the moment!

***Quote of the Day***
As he knew not what to say, he swore.
~ Byron (*Viking Book of Aphorisms* = *VBoA*)

6SandyAMcPherson
Sep 10, 12:04am Top

Great new thread start up and lovely river photo.
Also~ I love all the book covers you've displayed. I tend to gloss over lists of titles.

One title in particular leapt out: The horse, the wheel and language ~ I've had it on my public Library WL to request since last June. I falter because it looks so big and immense and just so overwhelmingly erudite. Did you find it a slog? Or was it something to read with breaks between and full of interest?

7quondame
Sep 10, 12:31am Top

Happy new thread! Great river picture.

8karenmarie
Sep 10, 7:43am Top

'Morning, Peggy! Happy Tuesday and happy new thread.

I'm reading an odd book, The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August by Claire North. It's really grabbed my attention. Well-written and interesting.

9LizzieD
Sep 10, 4:19pm Top

Welcome, Sandy! I loved, loved, loved the first chapters - maybe a third of *HWL* - which dealt with language. I kept on reading through totally unfamiliar place and culture names because of wonderful nuggets to be gleaned and absolutely fascinating cultural info that popped up from time to time unexpectedly. I skimmed a lot, but I'm glad for the experience. (My review or comments are on my first thread this year sometime in March.) I'd further say that it's both erudite and approachable.
Welcome, Susan! Glad you like our river - it's one of NC's "Natural and Scenic" rivers.
Welcome, Karen! That does sound attention-grabbing. I really, really like the new pop-up thumbnail sketches.
Back from book club and playing the piano at the old folks' home, and I'm ready to stretch out with a book, my cup of tea, and maybe a mini-babybel.
A Brag. I just wore a pair of pants that I haven't been able to get on for at least 3 years, and they weren't too tight. I'm celebrating with cheese! (Uh oh)

10PaulCranswick
Sep 10, 9:07pm Top

Happy new thread, dear Peggy.

11lauralkeet
Sep 11, 7:35am Top

Hi Peggy! Congratulations on your pants-wearing accomplishment. That's a great feeling!

As always you've been doing some interesting reading, and often books I've never heard of but enjoy hearing about.

12SandyAMcPherson
Sep 11, 8:05am Top

>9 LizzieD: ♡ that you gave me such a splendid mini-review of *HWL*.

Thanks so much for that boost. When I've soldiered through my current library cascade (explained on my thread), I plan on girding my literary loins and having a go at Anthony's treatise.

13drneutron
Sep 12, 11:46am Top

Happy new thread!

14LizzieD
Sep 12, 12:29pm Top

Thank you kindly, Jim.

15LizzieD
Sep 13, 11:37pm Top

Well, wait. WHERE is my post from Thursday night???? I posted it twice, and it didn't take either time.
Thank you for the visits, Laura and Sandy!
Laura, I often feel the same about your thread. Isn't LT great that we get to expand our horizons!?!?!?!
Sandy, you are a dear. I'm confident that you'll find a lot to like and chew on in *HWL*.
Jim, I actually referred to you in comments about KSR's Red Moon, which I'm currently reading. I actually understood his explanation of the pilot wave effect of photons - or at least, I understood to my own satisfaction. I said that you'd be proud, and I hope that's so.
I continue to read that and Cold Warriors. I'm really enjoying that one except that I am easily confused by the alphabet soup of endless intelligence groups in England and USA. Also, the books that he has chosen to discuss are either ones that I know fairly well (Animal Farm, 1984) or one that I have no real desire to read (Howard Fast's Spartacus. On the other hand, I'm only half through, so goodies may be lying in wait!

***Quote of the Day***
It is better to wear out one's shoes than one's sheets.
~ Genoese Proverb (*VBoA*)

16quondame
Sep 14, 1:38am Top

>15 LizzieD: I thought it was Wednesday night my posts kept being bounced as 'duplicate'!

17LizzieD
Sep 14, 7:30am Top

Was the 11th Wednesday, Susan? If so you're right about mine too. Remember that by the time I get here every night, I'm ¾ brain.dead.

18FAMeulstee
Sep 14, 4:38pm Top

Happy new thread, Peggy!

Still mostly lurking on your thread and enjoying the quotes :-)

19LizzieD
Sep 14, 11:30pm Top

I'm always glad to see you here, Anita. I wish I could even lurk.
You inspire me to add another, though.

***Quote of the Day***
The happiest part of a man's life is what he passes lying awake in bed in the morning.
~ Dr. Johnson (*VBoA*)

(Happy Sunday morning, everybody!)

20ronincats
Sep 15, 8:27pm Top

((((Peggy))))

21nittnut
Sep 15, 10:21pm Top

Hi Peggy! I am dropping by to say how glad I am that Dorian passed us by (generally). I would like a reasonable amount of rain though. I feel like all the storms go right around us lately. I hope you have a lovely week.

22LizzieD
Sep 15, 11:18pm Top

(((((Roni)))))! (((((Jenn)))))!
I was just saying to my hometown friend who has moved to Fletcher to be near her son in Asheville that we could do with a little rain - "little" being the operative word. Lovely week back to you! Mine will be busier than I like again. I wish I could choose when to do all this social stuff rather than have it all jammed up into the two middle weeks of the month. OTOH, my dear lifelong friend Bev is stopping for a visit tomorrow, so I'm happy to give up a swim to spend a bit of time with her.

***Quote of the Day***
What is more enchanting than the voices of young people when you can't hear what they say?
~ L.P. Smith (*VBoA*)

(I might have agreed with this once, but the voices of young women are driving me crazy these days. Don't let me start!)

23karenmarie
Sep 18, 7:32am Top

Hi Peggy!

I'm off to the salt mines in a bit, but as I wrote on my thread, there's a definite end in sight, and I'm on the official post-it note countdown. Ten work days left.

I hope you have a wonderful day. I've noticed the days getting shorter - yay - harbinger of fall.

24LizzieD
Edited: Sep 18, 11:54am Top

Great news all around, Karen!
I just heard on NPR that English scholars have agreed that a Shakespeare 1st folio with extensive marginalia did belong to Milton, and the comments are his. SO exciting!!!!!

ETA: Here is the announcement in The Guardian.

25lauralkeet
Sep 18, 1:40pm Top

>24 LizzieD: Bourne’s study of this copy, which has been housed in the Free Library of Philadelphia since 1944

Not surprisingly, this discovery made the news here, and the library has put the First Folio on public view until October 19. I might just have to pay it a visit.

26LizzieD
Sep 18, 11:22pm Top

Oh, Laura! Look for me too when you go!

27BLBera
Sep 19, 7:59pm Top

Happy new thread, Peggy.

>24 LizzieD: That is amazing news. Are we nerds, or what? 😀

28LizzieD
Sep 19, 10:57pm Top

Hi, Beth! Isn't that amazing!!!!!???!!!!!!!
I told my friends at bridge today, and they weren't excited at all. Silly women!

29SandyAMcPherson
Sep 19, 11:03pm Top

>24 LizzieD:, >25 lauralkeet: That is so exciting... and so far away :(

I hope you can go too, LizzieD.

30LizzieD
Sep 19, 11:07pm Top

Oh! Hi, Sandy! I didn't intend to be ambiguous in my message for Laura, but I see that I was. What I meant was, "Look on my behalf when you go, Laura."
I haven't been out of town but once in the past 4 years, and that was less than 20 miles away. I'm not likely to go from NC to Philly - even for a folio with Milton's comments. *sigh*

31LizzieD
Sep 21, 12:03am Top

I have no idea what to make of this. DH and I are both amused and bemused.....
Our local paper has a regular "Faith" page on Friday. Today's issue featured the normal picture of a county church (McCormick Chapel AME), a Bible lesson, a list of current events, a short paragraph about Bethel Baptist's re-dedication, and ---- an article from Homer, Alaska, which I will quote a bit from.....

Pastafarian pastor leads council meeting prayer

A pastor wearing a colander on his head offered the opening prayer on behalf of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to open a local government meeting in Alaska, the latest blessing from a nontraditional church since a court ruling.
.....
"So, I'm called to invoke the power of the true inebriated creator of the universe, the drunken tolerator (sic) of the all lesser and more recent gods, and maintainer of gravity here on earth May the great Flying Spaghetti Monster rouse himself from his stupor and let his noodly appendages ground each assembly member in their seats," ---
.....
The Pastafarian invocation followed one in June from Satanic Temple member Iris Fontana that caused about a dozen people to leave the assembly chamber in Soldotna in protest when she invoked "Hail Satan" in her opening prayers.

I'll be interested to see whether any locals read this.

32karenmarie
Sep 21, 9:38am Top

Hi Peggy!

>24 LizzieD: Amazing that it survived, amazing that one of a few people who would have noted the similarity to Milton's other notes saw the similarities. The article was great - thanks for the link.

>31 LizzieD: What a hoot!

33SandyAMcPherson
Edited: Sep 21, 4:50pm Top

I've heard of the Pastafarian cult, which reared its noodly head in Vancouver some years ago (https://tinyurl.com/ICBC-colander-ruling).

The ordained ministers were denied driver's licences with their religious headgear. (ICBC is the provincial licensing authority).

Many appeals later, I see that at least one individual obtained his license complete with headgear.
BC, particularly Victoria and Vancouver, are known for fringe groups. In the '60's it was the thriving hotbed of flower-power, hippies and 'back-to-the-landers'.

I do think it is strange that the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has achieved a place in your church bulletin, Peggy. Perhaps someone was having a fling at testing how thoroughly the bulletin is read?

Now we know! "Even" in the wilds of the Canadian Steppes, your bulletin will be hailed as an all-inclusive document.
... or not...

34LizzieD
Sep 21, 11:40pm Top

True all, Karen!

Sandy, I'm amazed that you know about the Pastafarian cult. It must be a Northern Thing! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!
And it was our local newspaper, not a church bulletin!!!!!

I'm still reading Cold Warriors, Red Moon, and a bit of The Ghost Fields from time to time. That's all! It's certainly enough to keep me busy.

***Quote of the Day***
It is the customary fate of new truths to begin as heresies and to end as superstitions.
~ T. H. Huxley (*VBoA*)

35FAMeulstee
Sep 22, 7:18am Top

>33 SandyAMcPherson: The same happened here with Pastafarians some time ago. They lost their last appeal in court, so no drivers licences with headgear for them in the Netherlands.

36LizzieD
Sep 23, 7:31am Top

In the Netherlands????? Good grief, Anita. I guess I have to do some research.

37FAMeulstee
Sep 23, 4:41pm Top

38weird_O
Sep 23, 6:05pm Top

>24 LizzieD: I had a friend, he died about 20 years ago, who had a Shakespeare folio. Charlie's college roommate (Georgetown) was extremely wealthy and at some point, he gave the folio to Charlie; a gift. When he told me this, Charlie opened his hands, palm up, and said, "I don't know what to do with it. I have it in a safe deposit box in the bank, and once in a while I get it out and just look at it."

39LizzieD
Sep 23, 11:06pm Top

Holy Moly, Bill! I can't imagine an individual owning a Shakespeare folio although I know they do! A first? Even a second or however long the line goes would be amazing. What happened to it after your friend died?
Anita, thanks. That's where I looked. I'm still trying to figure out how that article got on the Faith page of our little newspaper here in the Bible Belt.

***Quote of the Day***
I am much tempted to say of metaphysicians what Scaliger said of the Basques: "They are said to understand one another, but I don't believe a word of it."
~ Chamfort (*VBoA*)

That perfectly placed comma leads me to ask the RG Fan Club. Am I the only one who has noticed that Griffiths routinely places the the comma after the "but"? It's not interfering with my enjoyment of The Ghost Fields, but it does make me a little nuts.

40ronincats
Sep 23, 11:43pm Top

>39 LizzieD: I suppose it all has to do with where one pauses in the sentence. Generally I'd put it before but, wait! Was that a gorilla strolling through the room? ;-)

41LizzieD
Sep 24, 7:33am Top

I still don't think that works, Roni. Before but? I'd always say, "but wait!" Oh well.

42karenmarie
Sep 24, 7:39am Top

Hi Peggy!

I have not noticed the 'but comma' issues in RG, thank goodness. Of course, when I reread them in a year or two I'll be reminded of this bit on your thread and be on the lookout for them. *smile*

It's not supposed to be this hot at the end of September, although I remember the fall of 1994 because I had bought Jenna a very cute fleece dress for Halloween and it was too hot for her to wear it.

43SandyAMcPherson
Sep 24, 8:49am Top

>39 LizzieD: I understood that "The comma thing" is related to British grammar differing from American practice.

Kind of like using the Oxford comma. I went to a British-style girls' school and fell in the grammar ditch, constantly. Mainly because I read so many novels by American authors.

44lauralkeet
Edited: Sep 24, 10:04am Top

Well, I did a little Googling on the comma thing. Like Sandy, I thought it was related to a difference in British vs. American practice. Most of what I found said a comma after "but" is incorrect; "but" is a conjunction and as we all know, commas are placed before a conjunction. One article discussed usage of "but" as an "interrupter" (like "However,..."), in which case a comma would be acceptable. I think that's what Griffiths is doing:
There is one situation in which you will find a comma after but. It occurs in cases where the writer makes a deliberate choice for literary effect. That’s where interrupters come into play.
https://wordagents.com/comma-before-or-after-but/

I didn't find anything to substantiate the "British vs. American English" theory but I still think there's something to that.

45LizzieD
Edited: Sep 24, 12:42pm Top

Hmmm. I thought it might be that too (that is British usage), but I've read a lot of modern British books that follow what I think of as standard usage. I just googled and found Bristol U. declaring that the comma always comes before coordinating conjunctions.
I'm going to have to read Laura's link, but Griffiths uses the comma after often enough for me to have noticed it.

ETA: Here's the example from Laura's link: Everyone was home, but, and this is important, no one heard him knocking at the door.
Of course, we'd do that even at the risk of all those commas. We might use dashes or parentheses instead. The but isn't the interrupter in the example; it is still introducing the "no one heard him...." clause, and the comma precedes The But. (I'm about to decide that it should be The Butt.)

Roni, I thought that sentence sounded as though you had changed directions in mid-sentence.......

46ronincats
Sep 24, 12:13pm Top

You'll note that I used the comma after "but" as an interrupter, as in I was going to say "but (one thing)" and then got distracted by something else completely, but I was in complete ignorance of the rule cited by Laura.

47LizzieD
Sep 24, 12:15pm Top

RED MOON by Kim Stanley Robinson

I thoroughly enjoyed this one - an amalgam of astronomy, creative moon settling, Chinese politics, Chinese philosophy, world-wide revolution - until I read the last page. It's a cliff hanger! I'm not sure that I care enough about the characters to want to read another 400+ pages to work out their troubles. Doggone you, KSR!!!!! I now see that the second review on Amazon warns about this.
(I probably will read it when it comes out, but I won't be in any hurry.)

48lauralkeet
Sep 24, 12:37pm Top

>46 ronincats: I think it's more of a convention than a rule, Roni. From a grammar perspective the comma after but is considered unnecessary.

49LizzieD
Sep 24, 12:44pm Top

Laura, look back at my edited reply in >45 LizzieD:. All those commas are necessary.

50lauralkeet
Edited: Sep 24, 1:24pm Top

>49 LizzieD: okay, now that makes more sense to me. I agree that in your example all those commas are necessary. I was thinking about sentences beginning with "But, ..." and thought the article's reference to "deliberate choice for literary effect" seemed to apply.

eta: I've edited this post about 4 times because I keep spotting grammar or punctuation errors, or typos!

51quondame
Sep 24, 4:33pm Top

>45 LizzieD: The commas are separating the aside, and this is important, rather than following the but.

52LizzieD
Sep 24, 4:49pm Top

Isn't that what I said, Susan? It was at least part of what I meant. The first comma is the required one before a coordinating conjunction.
Of course, Laura, when I read on in *GF*, every but either began a sentence, had no comma at all, or the comma in the right place. I don't feel like going back to find the examples I was seeing earlier in the book. If I come upon one, I'll put it here. Meanwhile, I think I'm over it. Meanwhile, I've gotten paranoid about my punctuation too.

53Oregonreader
Edited: Sep 26, 1:07am Top

Interesting discussion, Peggy. I usually find myself going back over my commas to make sure I have it right. Comma insecurity!

I just finished Confederates in the Attic and found it fascinating. Thanks for recommending it. Even though it was written 20 years ago, I imagine beliefs about the Civil War among Southerners haven't changed much. But I did wonder if the influx of Northerners moving there to work in new industries affects attitudes and Southern culture.

54LizzieD
Sep 27, 11:14pm Top

Hi, Jan! Sorry for the comma insecurity. I don't suffer from it because I don't much care as I write here. I suffer from others though.....
I'm so glad that you enjoyed *CinA* too. I look forward to more Horwitz! It honestly felt very contemporary to me, but here we're at least 20 years behind the rest of the world in most things. I don't have any DC friends that I know of, but the DAR reigns - without me, I might add. I don't think that the Northerners have any real effect on those who worship the old South. That's just my personal experience.
Meanwhile, I had hoped to finish Cold Warriors this month - it's a very readable, very informative book. I have a couple of hundred pages yet to go, and I just don't feel like pushing them into the last three days although that much would be possible. I'm more in the mood for comfort reading, so Heyer and Griffiths, here I come!

***Quote of the Day***
The ardor chills us which we do not share.
~ Patmore (*VBoA*)

55karenmarie
Sep 29, 10:06am Top

Hi Peggy, and happy Sunday to you!

You're probably aware of the furor here in Pittsboro. The UDC and the county are at war over the Confederate statue at the Courthouse, and now there are Confederate flags flying everywhere and clashes downtown. It's scary and I'm also writhing with embarrassment at what drumpf's white supremacist miasma has brought out of the woodwork. They've never been far below the surface, in Saxapahaw and Sanford, but 8 miles from my house is just plain awful.

In better news, I scored big at the FoL sale and have a card table full of books to do something with.

Kind regards to your Mama and DH, and hugs for my dear friend.

56LizzieD
Sep 29, 11:21pm Top

Hugs right back to you, Karen. Staying home is a good thing, and I'll be glad when you can until the anger and fear go back underground. I'm just waiting for somebody to tear off the scabs over our similar wounds here. (If you read my post above, I commented on not knowing of any U (which I denied them) DC activity around here. I was not aware of Pittsboro's troubles.)
What makes me so furious is that everything to do with the nameless one grabs attention away from real issues that are ruining the lives of real people. I weep for the refugees trying to come across our southwestern borders and feel more ashamed of us than I can bear.
Thanks for kind greetings to my family and my own back to your Bill and Jenna!

57PaulCranswick
Sep 30, 5:39am Top

You know sometimes I feel that the world is a much more tolerant and less beastly place to inhabit and along come agitators and know-nothings to spread hatred and the disease of intolerance.

A Few Questions Arose Today?

Does the colour of someone's skin paint them less human?
Does their gender make them less a person?
Does their sexuality mean that they cannot be my friend?
Does their age make them of less value?
Does their religious affiliation mean that we cannot seek common ground?
Does their nationality diminish their status?
Does the coin in their pockets have currency to their goodness?
Why don't we all live together as one?

58LizzieD
Sep 30, 7:34am Top

Dear Paul, here is my poem in return. (I feel like Billy Collins.)

No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
We are all damaged, but we can grow to the great affirmation:
We are all one.

59lauralkeet
Sep 30, 9:42am Top

60PaulCranswick
Sep 30, 10:18am Top

>58 LizzieD: Hahaha Peggy. Very clever dear Billy.

>59 lauralkeet: Thanks Laura.

61LizzieD
Sep 30, 11:55am Top

Love and thanks to you both, dear Laura and Paul!

THE GHOST FIELDS by Elly Griffiths

Even though this entry in the Ruth Galloway series did not involve an ancient dig in any meaningful sense, I loved it. Ruth is called instead to attend a body found in a WWII plane, unearthed by a bulldozer on a building site. The usual characters, including the dishy Frank the TV Historian, appear with some interesting new ones.
Commas notwithstanding, I loved this one!

62LizzieD
Oct 1, 1:33pm Top

Oh well and oh well.
I tried for 106 pages to get into Acacia, and it just isn't calling me. It's not bad; it's just not my current cup of tea. Apparently, I need a comfort read, so I've started The Eye of the World, and bad though it is, I'm a happy reader. (I thought I had reread the first couple of monsters when the WHEEL group started here, but if so, my mind is about gone because, while it's familiar, it's a familiar from 15 or 20 years ago.)

63Oregonreader
Oct 2, 7:09pm Top

>57 PaulCranswick: Paul Peggy and Paul, I share the anguish at what our country has become. I don't know where the impeachment inquiry is going but I'm hoping it will be a first step in ridding us of this terrible man. A group of friends and family had a contest to come up with a name for Trump, a la Moscow Mitch. Our top three were Toxic Trump, Dirty Donald, and Toddler Trump. It was a long list.

Peggy, I am totally hooked on Ruth Galloway, thanks to your thread. I just finished The Janus Stone and could not put it down. There were plot twists that I never saw coming. I'm holding back on rushing right into the next one. We'll see how long that lasts!

64LizzieD
Oct 2, 11:04pm Top

Hi, Jan!
I'm holding off on reading *RG#8*, so I sympathize completely. I hate to get to the end of them although I know that a #12 will be available in April (?) of next year. Glad to pass along the addiction!
I'm convinced that DJT is slipping into insanity. Surely, surely somebody will step in and stop him before he does something irreversibly dire!

***Quote of the Day***
Once a rigid idea of duty has got inside a narrow mind, it can never again get out.
~ Joseph Joubert (*VBoA*)

65PaulCranswick
Oct 3, 1:14am Top

>63 Oregonreader: The best way of moving Trump without further disrepute to the nation is at the ballot box. a call to Ukraine here, discussions to the Russkie's there are all well and good but it is the ideas that need to be shifted just as much as the man. Keep the scrutiny on the right things.

The Democrats looking from the outside don't come into this with entirely clean hands either - Joe Biden's past and associations are also not unblemished. That means that the best way for the country to heal would be for a centrist champion to emerge from the field and sweep the next Election. Bernie and Biden are too old and of increasingly unstable health (it pains me to say), I like Elizabeth Warren but her lying about Native American roots is a little bizarre. I am not excited particularly about any of the other candidates either.

America has a long way to go to heal itself but not finding a healing replacement for Trump is the main challenge faced going forward.

66karenmarie
Edited: Oct 3, 9:15am Top

'Morning, Peggy!

It took me a minute to figure out who DJT was, until I remembered that drumpf's middle name is John, but of course who else would it be?

67LizzieD
Oct 3, 10:55pm Top

Karen, I'm past the point of referring to that creature by anything funny.
Paul, that's well reasoned, but I'm past the point of rationality. I just want him out of office before he goes completely mad. For the first time in my life, I don't trust the electorate, and I certainly don't trust the current election process. The Electoral College is a bad joke.
Warren is my first choice from among the available Democrats, but I agree that the NA thing was bizarre. She may have been in the position of my DH's family who have believed for several generations (but I don't know how many) that they were descended from Pocahontas (their family name being Bowling/Bolling), but DH is convinced that they got it wrong. Anyway, I can't imagine publishing that fact anywhere but here.
I throw up my hands. I'm going to bed.

68Oregonreader
Oct 4, 12:26am Top

>65 PaulCranswick: Paul, re Warren's lying about being Native American, I have some sympathy for her. I was told my entire life that my grandmother was Native American and I can't even imagine how many people I told that to. Recently, I did a DNA test and found I have absolutely no NA blood. I think it's common for people to believe what their families tell them.

I agree that none of the candidates have me cheering but I'll vote for the Democratic candidate no matter what.

69karenmarie
Oct 4, 7:15am Top

You're right - DJT is. I agree with everything you say. I also prefer Warren. We need strong and intelligent and fearless right now and I think she's it.

70LizzieD
Oct 5, 11:44pm Top

Hmmm. I thought I had spoken to Jan and Karen yesterday. I'm sure that people do believe what their parents tell them about family, Jan. Since my DH has been doing painstaking research on his own family, I'm also sure that a lot of parents get it wrong. We do want to believe that we're special!
As to DJT, Karen, I was reacting to his desire to dig a moat at the southwestern border and fill it with snakes and alligators. MAD! I'd be even more upset, but I've just been reading in Cold Warriors about the CIA's insane suggestions for dealing with Castro --- put something in his food to make his hair and beard fall out......I can't remember the other plots and can't check since the book is across the street.
Meanwhile, I escape in The Eye of the World. I like that I can read 100 pp a day. I'll need to if I'm going to continue with this bloated epic.

***Quote of the Day***
Imaginary evil is romantic and varied; real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring. Imaginary good is boring; real good is always new, marvelous, intoxicating. "Imaginative literature," therefore, is either boring or immoral or a mixture of both.
~ Simone Weil (*VBoA*)

71quondame
Oct 5, 11:54pm Top

>70 LizzieD: My family back in the 1890s 1910s were certain they had Scottish ancestry and got all the fashionable research with mixed results. It was common to get your ancestor's coat of arms and get connected to Mayflower passengers and Revolutionary War veterans. My great aunts did eventually find results that were acceptable to the DAR, but it took several tries and they had a family bible that went back at least 5 generations.

72karenmarie
Oct 6, 8:57am Top

I've always made the assumption (and we know how dangerous they are) that my Patrick family originally came from Ireland, but just recently saw something about English Patricks and am now re-thinking things. I may start making some time to re-start my genealogical research after next week.

73LizzieD
Oct 6, 2:20pm Top

Isn't it wonderful how life opens up (again) when you retire (again), Karen!??!!!

74lauralkeet
Oct 6, 5:49pm Top

Re: genealogy in retirement: my father was very into genealogy, and when he passed I took possession of his materials, including printed data sheets from a PC software program, for every family member in our tree. Earlier this year I reconstructed all of this on Ancestry.com.

Family legend had it we were related to the poet Robert Burns, and my dad's records identified the ancestor, a supposed nephew of RB. Many Ancestry family trees claim this person, but there's also a ton of information indicating the legend is incorrect or, at least, that the ancestor's parentage is unknown and there's no evidence even tying him to Scotland. Alas.

It was fun getting this all ported over to Ancestry; I need to get back to it and do some more research to build on what's there.

75thornton37814
Oct 6, 10:26pm Top

>71 quondame: There are lots of misconceptions regarding coats of arms. A lot of them belong to very specific families rather than generalized surnames.

>72 karenmarie: Good luck on your genealogical research.

>74 lauralkeet: Beware of bad data in Ancestry trees and always evaluate what you find!

76PaulCranswick
Oct 6, 10:41pm Top

Fascinating stuff on genealogy.
>69 karenmarie: I would take Warren from the field she is up against any day. Bernie should stand down in her favour IMO and give her some momentum going into the primaries.

77LizzieD
Oct 6, 10:48pm Top

Hi, Laura and Lori!
Wouldn't it be something to be a relation of R. Burns!?!
I don't have Lori's cachet for warning about Ancestry, but that has been my DH's experience with it and other sites.

78quondame
Edited: Oct 7, 1:22am Top

>75 thornton37814: There was a wee Scottish heraldry book in my house when I was growing up and I picked up some basics from it and as a member of the SCA, more has come my way. In the SCA "official" heraldry is very specific and has to be vetted for uniqueness with two significant differences from any other known blazons. Cadency and quartering are not allowed in the repertoire, though some families have participated over multiple generations.

79lauralkeet
Oct 7, 6:51am Top

>74 lauralkeet: Thanks Lori. I understand what you're saying. I've had the experience of looking at other member trees to identify more ancestors, and finding many different possibilities. Some look more credible than others, but it's hard to know which ones merit further evaluation.

On the plus side, I've found news clippings and photos of some ancestors, mostly on one very thorough and well-researched tree. I've picked up some interesting facts that way.

80karenmarie
Oct 7, 7:22am Top

Good morning, Peggy!

The slow march to cooler temps has begun, so autumn may actually be here. I hope you have a great day.

81magicians_nephew
Edited: Oct 7, 4:35pm Top

Just Google Ian Fleming's The Trout Memo. Dude be WACK!

82LizzieD
Oct 8, 11:09pm Top

Well said, Jim!

83LizzieD
Oct 9, 11:52pm Top

*sigh* I'm Wheeling and haven't topped out yet. I guess it's on to #2 while everything else languishes unread.

THE EYE OF THE WORLD by Robert Jordan

I don't know how many times I've read the first book. It's like a lot of other fantasy (how closely the plot follows *Fellowship/Ring*!), but there's nothing quite like it. Suffice it to say that I'm well and truly hooked again, at least for the moment. It has been a real treat to meet characters that I know will reappear and to relearn vocabulary and layers and layers of this intricate world. The characters remain their cardboard selves. At least, even if Perrin wishes he had Rand's way with women, and Rand wishes he had Perrin's, Nyenaeve isn't yanking her braid yet!

84EBT1002
Oct 10, 12:35am Top

Hi Peggy. I wish you a belated happy new thread!

Without referencing specific posts above, I will share a really moving experience I had this evening. I dined with three colleagues, two of whom I don't (yet) know well. As we consumed the two bottles of wine and lovely appetizers, we warmed up into really wonderful conversation about all sorts of things. The two colleagues whom I don't (yet) know well work in Washington DC; they are advocates for higher education and I learned that they are both Republicans -- and neither of them Trump fans. Quite the opposite. We shared astonishment at his continuing absurdity (the tweet in which he referred to his own "great and unmatched wisdom..."!!!) and our hope that the country will be rid of him soon. One of them worked in the George W. Bush White House and talked about -- agree or disagree -- W's compassion and integrity. And I found myself agreeing. We talked about Ellen Degeneres' recent situation where she is defending her friendship with W, challenging the notion that one cannot be friends with someone with whom one disagrees. One of my colleagues said tonight "I have been thinking that something big is going to happen that will reunite this country -- and I believe Donald Trump is that big thing." This was so surprising to me. These are Republicans. One of the wondered out loud whose name she could write in since she does not agree with Elizabeth Warren on specific issues (to which I thought "oh, write in all you want, just don't vote for this incumbent disaster!").

This was important for me. I lived in Seattle for over a decade, a deep blue political bubble in which I was rarely in conversation with someone who disagreed with me. These women are caring, compassionate, smart, and dedicated to higher education. We may disagree on many things but we agreed that the current president is an unmitigated failure. It gave me hope.

85LizzieD
Oct 10, 7:46am Top

Thank you, Ellen. That is a word of hope, and I need it this morning as I go out into "Trump Is Jesus' Little Brother (and we're not 100% sure about the 'little')" Central. I can respect true conservatives while disagreeing on most issues, and I love my lifelong Trump crazies without being able to talk with them. I hope your new friend is right, somewhere short of disaster.

86EBT1002
Oct 10, 9:50pm Top

I hope your day was a good one, Peggy.

87LizzieD
Oct 10, 10:49pm Top

Thank you, Ellen, it was quite good enough. Hope yours was too. I see that the weekend approaches again..... I used to live for weekends in order to rest and regroup. Now they signal that another bit of my life is gone. Monday now brings at least the hope that I might use my time well.

88EBT1002
Oct 10, 11:21pm Top

Hmm, interesting perspective. I pretty much live for weekends these days, although I try not to wish my life away. It's a challenging balance at times. Work is an odd mixture of stress and meaningfulness at present, so I'm trying to be as in-the-moment as I can. I do look forward to sleeping in on Saturdays and Sundays. You know, 7am or so.... ha.

89karenmarie
Oct 11, 7:32am Top

Good morning, Peggy!

I couldn't talk with my mother about politics and can't talk with my sister about politics. If I even try to have a conversation about the things DJT is doing, my sister brings up Hillary. I simply don't get it - the election's been over for 3 years. (Well, actually I do - there's nothing positive that they can really say about him so a bit of diversion is necessary...)

Yay for autumn - it's 45 here although we'll have one last attempt by summer to keep going for a bit. I am watching a hummingbird at the feeder. It's now the females only, trying to bulk up for the long flight south. I'm sure I'll be taking the feeders down next week for the winter.

I've never considered Mondays as signaling another bit of my life gone even though I've been retired 3 years and 8 months less 13 weeks of self-induced office work. I just love having paid my dues work-wise and now getting to do what I want to do instead of working. And today's the last day of the 13 weeks, of course.

I hope you have a good day, full of of Wheeling. Pay my respects to your Ma and DH, and give yourself many hugs.

90ronincats
Oct 13, 3:18pm Top

I hope you are having a wonderful day today celebrating your birthday, Peggy. We are all celebrating have you in our lives! Happy Birthday!!!

91PaulCranswick
Oct 13, 9:46pm Top

Happy birthday, Peggy.

92LizzieD
Oct 13, 11:21pm Top

Thank you, Roni and Paul! Since I'm not going to read 75 this year, I apparently decided to become a 75er some other way.
(Karen, it's Friday that makes me feel as though life is zipping by. Monday brings another mini-beginning.)

93Oregonreader
Oct 14, 1:38am Top

Happy Birthday, Peggy. I hope it was a great day.

94FAMeulstee
Oct 14, 5:23am Top

Belated happy birthday, Peggy!
Now you have reached 75 forever ;-)

95lauralkeet
Oct 14, 6:54am Top

I guess I'm late to the birthday party but I hope you had a great day, Peggy! 75, wowza!

96LizzieD
Oct 14, 10:38pm Top

Laura, I'm happy happy that you came to the party at all. No time is too late!
You too, Anita. Hmmm. I wasn't thinking about having reached 75 for good. I guess that's true.
It was a fine day, thank you, Jan!
Nothing more going on here except maybe a quotation.

***Quote of the Day***
Most women are not so young as they are painted.
~ Max Beerbohm (*VBoA*)

97qebo
Oct 15, 7:55pm Top

Thanks for dropping by on FB... and a belated happy birthday to you!

98LizzieD
Edited: Oct 16, 2:39pm Top

Wow! Hi, Katherine! Thank you for calling here. Love in our Libra bond!

99karenmarie
Oct 16, 7:57am Top

'Morning, Peggy! It's raining here and I'm so glad. We really needed it.

I hope you get some excellent books with your birthday money.

100Oregonreader
Oct 17, 11:08pm Top

Hi, Peggy, I had to share with you that I've finally finished Fatal Discord! I don't know why it took me so long except I waited until bedtime to read it and then nodded off. I found the early part of the book dealing with L & E finding old biblical scrolls and working on correctly copying them to be really interesting. I think I remember your saying that you questioned the trail Massing left, tracing the influence of Luther on Evangelicals. I think much of it was a stretch.
Now back to reading my latest St. Cyr mystery.

101LizzieD
Oct 18, 7:33am Top

Whew! Congratulations, Jan!!!! I'm glad to have read it, but I never would have done it without you and Stasia along for the journey. Enjoy some fun reading well-deserved.
Did you notice that I just added a copy of the first Tasha Alexander? If I can ever satiate my Wheel of Time addiction, I 'll get to it.

102Oregonreader
Oct 18, 7:51pm Top

I know, too many good series. I just got the latest Shardlake mystery,Tombland, and it's over 800 pages. That's a real commitment but I'm sure I'll be so engrossed, I won't notice.
Have a good weekend!

103LizzieD
Oct 18, 11:08pm Top

Hi, Jan! I started Tombland and then put it aside. I do love Sansom & Shardlake, so I will definitely read it soon.
Meanwhile, more Wheeling! I look forward to the Egwene and Nynaeve in Tar Valon sections and just read on through Rand and the other guys.

***Quote of the Day***
There are certain characters who, unable to read a writ from the court of conscience and reason, must be served with one from a court - even though it be inferior - whose language they understand.
~ A.B. Smith (*VBoA*)

104SandyAMcPherson
Oct 19, 11:14am Top

Hi Peggy, thought I'd pop by and say I finished The Stone Circle this past week.
Rated it 4½ ★s! It was excellent in the RG continuing saga and as Lucy said way back ago, a very satisfying read.

Where are you at? Are you dragging your feet in the series so you eke out the novels into 2020 when The Lantern Men comes out??

105BLBera
Oct 19, 11:34am Top

Happy belated birthday, Peggy. Many happy returns.

106magicians_nephew
Edited: Oct 19, 2:40pm Top

>103 LizzieD: love the quote Lizzie!~

Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other, and scarce in that.”
-- Benjamin Franklin

107LizzieD
Oct 19, 11:04pm Top

Thanks for that one, Jim. We can always depend on B. Franklin!
Thank you for the birthday wish, Beth - always welcome. I ordered some shoes today with my b-day $ and have a little left for a book. Yay!
Hi, Sandy! Yes, indeed! I will read The Woman in Blue next, but I'm holding off. I hate to finish the series.
Besides *Wheel 2* I'm reading Frederica instead of whatever I have in my "currently reading" status. I guess I'm starting to get a bit antsy and ready for something more demanding, but not quite yet.

***Quote of the Day***
Except for the nine months before he draws his first breath, no man manages his affairs as well as a tree does.
~ G.B. Shaw (*VBoA*)

108SandyAMcPherson
Yesterday, 8:09am Top

>107 LizzieD: I'm reading Frederica...

... one of my top most favourite Heyer's. It is a choice go-to comfort read for me.

109karenmarie
Yesterday, 10:22am Top

Hi Peggy!

We got 1.13" of rain with the remnants of TS Nestor so are happy.

Heyer is always a good go-to.

110ronincats
Yesterday, 2:35pm Top

And frederica is one of her best!

111LizzieD
Yesterday, 10:43pm Top

Hi, Sandy, Karen, and Roni! Glad to feel the Frederica love around here.
I don't think we got as much rain as you did, Karen, but I could be wrong. I haven't asked DH what was in the rain gauge. Mostly it misted.

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