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1RATBAG.
Oct 1, 2019, 12:15am

What do you think they'll be releasing?

So far, we're expecting:

Bond
Howl's Moving Castle
Dracula LE
Working (Studs Terkel)

What else do you think there's in the mix? :)

2Sorion
Edited: Oct 1, 2019, 2:09am

>1 RATBAG.: Hoping for the final Hornblower release so I can start the series(I have read it before). Didn’t want to start till I had them all.

3Michael_Henchard
Oct 1, 2019, 2:39am

I think The Invisible Man was touted elsewhere.

When will the Christmas collection be released ?

4Fierylunar
Oct 1, 2019, 3:25am

Plenty of other suggestions here.

5vmb443
Oct 1, 2019, 6:05am

>2 Sorion: Somewhere on social media they said it will be coming in 2020.

6folio_books
Oct 1, 2019, 8:48am

>5 vmb443:

That was my understanding - in with the first batch in 2020, so maybe February.

7Mr.Fox
Oct 1, 2019, 1:15pm

>3 Michael_Henchard: Should be October 23rd.

8folio_books
Oct 1, 2019, 1:28pm

>7 Mr.Fox: Should be October 23rd.

That's the date they've already quoted for the Studs Terkel.

9Michael_Henchard
Oct 1, 2019, 1:35pm

10Sorion
Oct 1, 2019, 5:16pm

>5 vmb443: That's good to know thanks!

11LesMiserables
Oct 3, 2019, 2:56am

>1 RATBAG.:

In this present milieu I guess the following may well be possibilities...

- The Beano
- Margaret Atwood, The Testaments
- David Wallace-Wells, The Uninhabitable Earth

12bookfair_e
Oct 3, 2019, 7:58am

As a result of the WTO ruling re the long running Airbus/Boeing dispute, the US will be imposing tariffs on some goods from the EU from 20th October. Books are on the list of casualties, just in time for the release of Folio’s Christmas Collection.

13Levin40
Oct 3, 2019, 8:46am

>12 bookfair_e: ...which might only last up until 31st October if Boris Johnson gets his way. Though I'm not sure how Folio's strategy of dispatching from Spain might impact things. Interesting times...

14coynedj
Oct 3, 2019, 9:30am

I'm dealing with tariffs at work, and now I have to deal with them in my reading time as well! I'm growing tired of this.

15Emily_Jones51
Oct 3, 2019, 4:18pm

One could only hope they make Atwood's Testaments into a Folio edition, but alas, it's not possible right now. The book was just released in the regular market. Folio likely wouldn't get the rights to reproduce it for a few years, when it's past its life as a paperback.

But more Atwood please: Alias Grace!

16RATBAG.
Oct 3, 2019, 10:45pm

And in an unsurprising turn of events, October 23rd is - yes, you guessed it - a Wednesday.

17Emily_Jones51
Oct 3, 2019, 11:18pm

I guess they're also stopping their Dickens collection? Haven't made any new ones since the last set of 3 books

18Fierylunar
Oct 4, 2019, 3:49am

>17 Emily_Jones51: The three currently available are to the best of my knowledge his well known, most loved works. If even those don't sell too well, imagine how Dombey and Son would fare...

19terebinth
Oct 4, 2019, 4:06am

>18 Fierylunar:

Good point. Now if only Dickens VI - we may have to wait a few years of course - starts with Dombey and Son, there'll be grounds for a prospective Folio Dickens owner to take the project seriously. (Not me, I'm well content with Dickens I unless a fine set of III happens to fall into my lap).

20chrisrsprague
Oct 7, 2019, 11:19am

At this point, given rising prices, about the only book that would make me bite at full price is A Canticle for Leibowitz.

21clymbouris
Oct 7, 2019, 11:34am

^ I'd be willing to spend anywhere between 30 to 300/LE pounds for this; there's been a few prominent post-apocalyptic/dystopian releases the last few years so we can only hope.

Stand on Zanzibar would be a sweet surprise also; in any case I can't help with educated speculations so I'll put my wishlist back to the drawer.

22Mr.Fox
Oct 7, 2019, 9:24pm

I’d like to see The Pearl or Cannery Row.

23Sorion
Oct 8, 2019, 1:00am

>22 Mr.Fox: I love Cannery Row. That would be an excellent selection.

24HuxleyTheCat
Oct 8, 2019, 4:25am

>12 bookfair_e: Bound books are not included in the tariffs so fear not.

25folio_books
Oct 8, 2019, 4:49am

>24 HuxleyTheCat:

Huxley! Good to see you again.

26HuxleyTheCat
Oct 8, 2019, 5:39pm

>25 folio_books: Greetings Glenn.

27Willoyd
Oct 11, 2019, 5:45am

>18 Fierylunar:
The three currently available are to the best of my knowledge his well known, most loved works. If even those don't sell too well, imagine how Dombey and Son would fare...
It's almost inevitable they won't sell well: they've reproduced a narrow range of Dickens ad nauseam, so, apart from total newbies, it's a fully sated market, even more limited by the fact that many would only be interested if they could complete the set. I suspect they keep them on simply to satisfy the former. I would love to expand my collection of Folio Soc classics, but it's obviously an area they have virtually abandoned apart from (a) reprints or rehashes and (b) the occasional expensive doorstopper. TBH, I'm not interested in just buying the most mainsteam books either, I'm more interested in authors in depth ,and, aside from Josephine Tey ( :-) ), they seem to have abandoned that idea.

28folio_books
Oct 11, 2019, 5:51am

>27 Willoyd: I'm more interested in authors in depth ,and, aside from Josephine Tey ( :-) ),

Allow me to welcome you to the Josephine Tey fan club ;)

29wcarter
Oct 11, 2019, 5:56am

>27 Willoyd:
....and Dorothy Sayers?

30Jason461
Oct 11, 2019, 7:37pm

I just... I don't understand the continuing Dickens frustration. How many fine edition complete sets are out there? Demand can't possibly be that high. I like Dickens, but goodness, one needn't read all of his works to get the point. They just finished an Austin complete set and they've announced a completion of the Hornblower. And they've reissued some Hardy. I'd much rather they focus on some authors they've features less. There's lots of excellent literature out there they haven't touched. I don't need constant reissues of books they've already done.

31Chawton
Oct 12, 2019, 5:10am

Jane Austin...

Folio Society have not produced a complete set of Jane Austen's works in this particular edition.

Where are Sanditon, the Watsons, the juvenilia etc?

32Jason461
Oct 12, 2019, 9:17am

>31 Chawton:

Oh come on, there are only really six Austen novels. The rest is just people digging through her closets for whatever scraps they could find. This always happens with popular artists. Stuff they never meant to see the light of day gets trotted out and presented as as lost material.

33red_guy
Oct 12, 2019, 9:39am

....But a library without Lady Susan in it would be a dull one indeed.

34boldface
Oct 12, 2019, 11:03am

>31 Chawton:
>32 Jason461:

I've been reading Sanditon recently. What a sparkling story, bursting with wit, perhaps taking Jane Austen in new directions, and so frustrating that she didn't live to finish it. (Although, not as frustrating as being witness to Andrew Davies's boddice-ripping TV romp.)

35Willoyd
Edited: Oct 12, 2019, 11:05am

>31 Chawton:
Where are Sanditon, the Watsons, the juvenilia etc?
Which is one reason why I much prefer the rather less flamboyant earlier edition (although that statement also underlines another reason!).

>32 Jason461:
Oh come on, there are only really six Austen novels. The rest is just people digging through her closets for whatever scraps they could find.
Gve me Austen's scraps over most authors' masterpieces any day.

36Willoyd
Oct 12, 2019, 11:30am

>30 Jason461:
I just... I don't understand the continuing Dickens frustration.... I don't need constant reissues of books they've already done.
From my own perspective, I totally agree with you, but then I'm perfectly content with my complete, earlier, set. My frustrations are exactly what you say. Aside from the swathes of classic books that FS have never published, there are also many where they have perhaps done just one edition, many years ago, and another is long overdue, yet they keep repeating the same old rehashes (including Hardy and Austen). My own personal Holy Grail would be Zola's Rougon-Macquart sequence, but as they've only managed 3 Zola titles in over 70 years, I don't hold out much hope (LesMis will be equally, or even more, frustrated over Sir Walter Scott!).

>29 wcarter:
....and Dorothy Sayers?
Well, given the extent they went to, they could at least have published the complete set of her Wimsey novels. It seems silly to have missed out just two of the eleven. For some reason, I don't have so much of a problem with DS - I think because they just did her novels as two one-off sets. Of course, it might also be because I enjoy them too!

37treereader
Oct 12, 2019, 12:10pm

There is always going to be a fresh generation of young readers coming into disposable income for the first time, looking for nice or fine copies of these classics. Likewise, there will always be folks looking to upgrade from incomplete or less nice to complete and nicer sets. So yes, there will always be some demand but unfortunately, the size of that demand isn't even close to the critical volume needed for Folio (or anyone else) to justify re-publishing complete sets, redesigned or not. But Folio's half-hearted efforts, where they issue 3-4 books and no more, are surely frustrating to all - they're just empty promises.

What would it take to convince Folio to complete sets of classics, whether they be Dickens, Hardy, or Sir Walter Scott? Positive response to higher prices? A petition? A hostile business takeover? A public shaming? Just curious...

38Jayked
Oct 12, 2019, 1:32pm

They did do a complete Hardy not that long ago in publisher's terms -- recently enough that many "members" own it -- and Hardy doesn't seem to be fashionable right now. Poor Scott never seems to be, despite his huge earlier reputation all over Europe. Pops up in Balzac, and was one of the models tried and discarded by Buvard and Pécuchet. Most readers aren't going to get past the ponderous style he adopted to show that novel-writing could be a respectable trade.

39Willoyd
Edited: Oct 14, 2019, 4:46pm

I said my holy grail would be a complete round of the Rougon-Macquart series, but I'd be happy just to see a few more classics outside the FS standard rehashes/reprints. Pops up in Balzac He's another whose work seems to have largely passed FS by.

40folio_books
Oct 15, 2019, 2:30pm

Assuming the Christmas Collection is set for release next Wednesday, October 23, Folio seem to be delaying the usual (irritating) routine of teaser pictures and so forth on social media. With a week to go would they not usually have started that malarkey already? Or are they taking notice of the feedback they've been getting? Or are they waiting for Halloween? Questions, questions.

41Alendor
Oct 15, 2019, 2:40pm

They usually start a week before so tomorrow...

42gmacaree
Oct 15, 2019, 2:50pm

>40 folio_books: You're such a grinch, Glenn! I think the teasers are harmless fun :)

43folio_books
Edited: Oct 15, 2019, 2:56pm

>42 gmacaree:

When did I ever claim not to be a grinch? My intense dislike of them most probably stems from the fact I'm utterly hopeless at guessing what they are. But I'm not the only one here who has expressed a less-than-favourable opinion. Think of it as a rallying call to grinches.

>41They usually start a week before so tomorrow...

... watch avidly. Or not ...

Edited punctuation.

44Emily_Jones51
Oct 15, 2019, 2:58pm

Hey all, I read on social media somewhere that Folio is releasing "a classic horror of sorts". what could this mean? I'm betting on Ichabod Crane and Sleepy Hallow.

45Fierylunar
Oct 15, 2019, 3:40pm

>42 gmacaree: I believe roughly a billion people hoping for Watership Down after the bunny sneak peak beg to differ. All jokes aside, they do get some sense of hype for the release going.

46Neil77
Oct 15, 2019, 4:05pm

I think that's the Dracula.

47Mr.Fox
Oct 15, 2019, 9:01pm

Hoping for a preview photo tomorrow, with the release a week later.

48clymbouris
Edited: Oct 16, 2019, 6:15am

I see 3 new titles appeared.

I don't want to be the first spoil it for anyone, just click on "Fiction"

EDIT: Hmm.. maybe I was misled as one of the titles shows published "1999" on title page. Maybe someone can verify.

49SolerSystem
Oct 16, 2019, 6:49am

Wow, really thought that was gonna be one of the last Bond books. I'm glad it's not though, the remaining books in the series were all kind of meh.

50FitzJames
Oct 16, 2019, 7:18am

Gosh, one of those volumes is superb to see in a standard edition!

51SolerSystem
Edited: Oct 16, 2019, 7:53am

First teaser is up

52gmacaree
Oct 16, 2019, 7:59am

Some intriguing stuff here!

53clymbouris
Oct 16, 2019, 8:04am

>51 SolerSystem: wow that's a lot of books!

54Emily_Jones51
Oct 16, 2019, 8:08am

THEY'RE RE-RELEASING THE FAIRY BOOKS BY ANDREW LANG!!!! BLUE FAIRY TALE BOOK IS UP FOR SALE!!!! WHOOOOOO!!!!!

DON'T BUY ANY MORE BOOKS FROM THE FAIRY BOOK HAWKERS ONLINE AT RIDICULOUS PRICES. I LOVE YOU FOLIO!

55cronshaw
Edited: Oct 16, 2019, 8:25am

>48 clymbouris: allow me. Sixth from the bottom: Alice in Wonderland illustrated by Charles van Sandwyk as a regular edition, just as happened with Wind in the Willows. Fabulous for everyone who wanted a more affordable and readable version!

56RRCBS
Oct 16, 2019, 8:11am

The new Alice looks beautiful...I have the older box set but might pick up this one if it ever goes on sale...definitely getting the new Bond, looking forward to seeing what else is coming!

57treereader
Oct 16, 2019, 8:22am

>53 clymbouris:

...which makes sense when the last release was a couple books shy of normal.

58cronshaw
Oct 16, 2019, 8:29am

>40 folio_books: I hope you're not grinching excessively, Glenn. Any idea what the intriguing volume fifth from the bottom might be? :)

59cronshaw
Oct 16, 2019, 8:32am

Catcher in the Rye?

60Mooch360
Oct 16, 2019, 9:05am

Books 5-7 are hornblower maybe?

61RATBAG.
Oct 16, 2019, 9:06am

I really do hope they publish more Italo Calvino.

62folio_books
Oct 16, 2019, 9:11am

>58 cronshaw: I hope you're not grinching excessively, Glenn. Any idea what the intriguing volume fifth from the bottom might be? :)

Of course not - I can never guess from these glimpses. But no excessive grinching, so far. This looks like it's going to be an expensive collection for me, unless half of them are reprints, like the Arabian Nights. Quite surprised to see the new Bond is Live and Let Die because that breaks their sequence, unless it's meant to be the last. Giving up on the last few dubious titles? If I was expecting a complete set I'd be disappointed if they did that.

They've made a wonderful job of the "new" Alice, if the binding is anything to go by. Like Wind in the Willows, a lovely consolation for those who missed out on the LE.

And do we know for absolute certain that the Blue Fairy Book is the first of a repeated series? Nice if true but I remain to be convinced. Someone just paid over £1700 for a complete set on eBay. Ooops.

There's some hefty tomes in there (=expensive) including at least one 2 volume set.

>59 cronshaw: Catcher in the Rye?

Please God, no.

Now to wait for someone to tell me what they all are, whereupon I can give further consideration to the collection as a whole. But very promising, at least.

63NLNils
Oct 16, 2019, 9:20am

There are two bricks worthy of the most prestigious TBR mountains. No idea what they are. I am intrigued by the colored edge design of the fifth book from the bottom. Coupled with at least partially lime green covers, it could be wild! I’m interested in the last Hornblower set. I expected four books so to include Hornblower And The Crisis, The eleventh and final unfinished installment. Could it have been integrated into the last complete book? I’m not sure of the pagination, if it’s even a possibility to do so. It would add to the appeal, as you would have a true complete series.

64folio_books
Oct 16, 2019, 9:20am

>60 Mooch360:

Hornblower was slated for release early next year. Besides which ...

Oh, wait. The fat one (10 down) is presumably "Working"?

65Emily_Jones51
Oct 16, 2019, 9:21am

folio_books AHAHAHAHA "Someone paid 1700 GBP on Ebay - oops!" You are amazing! The hawkers must be sooo upset right now!

Btw, the Blue Fairy Book is up for sale now on the website.

So, everyone, here's what's confirmed (either on sale online or through the pics)

1. Howl's Moving Castle
2. Marvel
3. Blue Fair Book
4. Alice in Wonderland
5. Arabian Nights
6. Working
7. Bond
8. Unnamed Gothic novel

-- Any idea what the tattooed side book is?

66wongie
Oct 16, 2019, 9:32am

I didn't know some were already on sale and was giving my head a serious scratch trying to figure out why all the praise for how wonderful the Alice edition looks when all I can see is red edging.

68c_schelle
Oct 16, 2019, 9:58am

Here are the links to books I already found on the website:
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/the-blue-fairy-book.html
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/the-arabian-nights.html
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/live-and-let-die.html
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/working.html

I like the reprint of the blue fairy book (although I already bought it used) and hope for the rerelease of the others as well. The same is true for arabian nights. As I intend to complete my Bond books Live and Let Die will be ordered. I'm still pondering Alic as a gift for a dear friend. I hope there are some interesting titles still to be revealed.

69Fierylunar
Oct 16, 2019, 9:59am

The Alice is excellent news indeed, and I will be getting that when the rest of the new books are announced. Curious thing: when I open the page for Alice, it briefly states "DO NOT ORDER" (sic) in the browser tab. I wonder what that is about...

Regarding the Andrew Lang Fairy books: Why restart at Blue? It has been readily available through FS plenty of times, it's been in sales to clear stock as well, and the second hand market is not too bad. Why not start with the real trouble makers (i.e.: Olive, Orange, Gray, and Crimson)?

70FitzJames
Oct 16, 2019, 10:02am

I noticed that in the tab title too! When I rechecked later it was gone.

71c_schelle
Oct 16, 2019, 10:03am

>69 Fierylunar: I can't find a reason for that too. If it was one of the books you mentioned they would be in my cart by now to be ordered next week.

Does anyone know when the £20 off when buying for £150 ends?

72const-char-star
Oct 16, 2019, 10:11am

>71 c_schelle: I received an email stating the autumn discount ends tomorrow.

73NLNils
Oct 16, 2019, 10:11am

74boldface
Oct 16, 2019, 10:15am

I am pleased to see in the description of Alice in Wonderland that "This new edition includes many of the same extravagant design details as the limited edition, plus a series of wonderful, newly coloured illustrations." (My italics.)

So, this is similar to the relationship between the standard and LE versions of Wind in the Willows and means that it does add value to add this to your collection even if you already have the LE.

75bookfair_e
Oct 16, 2019, 10:19am

>71 c_schelle: Does anyone know when the £20 off when buying for £150 ends?

*Terms and conditions apply. Excludes the cost of postage, and the purchase of Marvel: The Golden Age 1939–1949 and Limited Editions. Offer ends midnight (UK time) Thursday 17 October 2019.

76terebinth
Oct 16, 2019, 10:31am

>69 Fierylunar: Why not start with the real trouble makers (i.e.: Olive, Orange, Gray, and Crimson)?

We've all seen the prices those have changed hands for, but it doesn't take many people desperate to buy an out of print short-run book to sustain such prices when the odd copy hits the market. Probably not enough people in this case, I'd guess, to balance the more mainstream appeal of the Blue and the hoped-for numbers of new casual buyers getting acquainted with and/or being drawn in by the work of Charles Sandwyk. I doubt the more sought-after Fairy Books will reappear unless and until all the others have been reprinted with adequate sales figures along the way.

77sdawson
Oct 16, 2019, 11:16am

>76 terebinth:,

I agree, the Blue Fairy is not that difficult to find on the secondary market. Odd choice, unless they are planning on a complete reprint of the entire series, which would also be odd.

Anyway, I have managed to put three books into my wish list (Alice in Wonderland, Live and Let Die, and Kavalier and Clay). Am pondering if I should wait til closer to Christmas, or take the discount today, which would cover the shipping costs.

-Shawn

78Fierylunar
Oct 16, 2019, 11:56am

>76 terebinth: unless and until all the others have been reprinted with adequate sales figures along the way.

The set didn't sell enough for more than one print run of later copies anyway, so I'd be surprised for it to happen now. The first books were hard to get rid of in the end. Which begs the question: why bring it back already in the first place?

79Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 16, 2019, 1:10pm

>43 folio_books:

do grinches get on with grouches?

asking for a friend ;-)

80Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 16, 2019, 1:12pm

>44 Emily_Jones51:-46

Dracula meets Watership Down

I think I might pay to see that ;-)

81adriano77
Oct 16, 2019, 1:17pm

>51 SolerSystem:

Quite a stack.

Do we have any inkling as to what the black-dyed one is? Don't think I've seen them do designs like that on a text block before. Looks interesting! Fern leaves?

82CLWggg
Oct 16, 2019, 1:20pm

Could the book with what looks like a dragoon tattoo be The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo? I'd be surprised at this getting the Folio treatment, though...

83HuxleyTheCat
Oct 16, 2019, 1:44pm

>82 CLWggg: That had been my thought too. These days I wouldn't be surprised at all.

84folio_books
Oct 16, 2019, 1:58pm

>82 CLWggg: Could the book with what looks like a dragoon tattoo be The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo?
>83 HuxleyTheCat: These days I wouldn't be surprised at all.

These days that would be positively mainstream. A three-volume series, too. Thick, and doubtless expensive. Ticks all the boxes for Folio. Next stop Da Vinci Code.

>79 Cat_of_Ulthar: do grinches get on with grouches?

Tell your friend Grinches and Grouches are famously friendly, fortunately.

This message has been brought to you by Grinch Grouse Inc.

85cronshaw
Oct 16, 2019, 2:37pm

>82 CLWggg: Good grief, is it a dragon? You could well be right about the title then. I'd imagined it was some ears of grain. Must get myself to Specsavers.

86adriano77
Oct 16, 2019, 2:43pm

I'd be shocked if that were a dragon of any sort.

87stumc
Oct 16, 2019, 3:08pm

what was the discount code again?

88Czernobog
Oct 16, 2019, 3:29pm

>81 adriano77: "Don't think I've seen them do designs like that on a text block before"

They did something similar with Anansi Boys.

89bookfair_e
Oct 16, 2019, 3:35pm

>87 stumc:

There is an automatically applied discount at checkout of £20 for orders of £150 - ends tomorrow at midnight GMT.

T&Cs >75 bookfair_e:

The discount code is PMAG2 with these T&Cs:

*Valid for current customers only. One use per customer. Cannot be used in conjunction with any other voucher or promotion. Ends midnight (UK time) Thursday 21 November 2019.

90Michael_Henchard
Edited: Oct 16, 2019, 3:45pm

Could the sixth one up from the bottom be The Invisible Man ?

91Lady19thC
Oct 16, 2019, 3:47pm

One of the books is supposed to be an "atmospheric gothic story". Do you think one of those slimmer books on top might be The Woman in Black, by Susan Hill? I would be up for that! I thought it was interesting they used the term "story" as opposed to "novel" and wonder if it is a shorter piece of work...

92stumc
Oct 16, 2019, 3:52pm

>89 bookfair_e: thank you
think im going to order the Bond, Hornblower set 2 and Something Wicked

93xrayman
Oct 16, 2019, 5:01pm

>80 Cat_of_Ulthar: If you like that prospect then I suspect you're a fan of the classic animation 'Bambi meets Godzilla'

94coynedj
Oct 16, 2019, 5:59pm

>93 xrayman: - That's one of my all-time favorites!

95wcarter
Edited: Oct 16, 2019, 7:24pm

The Blue Fairy book looks like a reprint of the 2003 edition rather than a new edition. Same for Arabian Nights, which looks identical to the 1999 edition.
Live and Let Die was also published by the FS in 2007, but in a different format, so this is a new edition.

96Mr.Fox
Edited: Oct 16, 2019, 9:28pm

I just ordered Working along with Live and Let Die, and added Reach for the Sky to complete my Brickhill trio and get the $30 discount.

97Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 17, 2019, 2:41am

Folio has just confirmed on Instagram that they will be 'slowly re-releasing all the fairy books'.

98Fierylunar
Oct 17, 2019, 3:00am

>97 Kisa_Vorobyaninov: That's good news at least, and bad news for the vultures exploiting the scarce market (as well as those who bought at a premium).

99CLWggg
Oct 17, 2019, 3:28am

>97 Kisa_Vorobyaninov: Just to point out, for the sake of accuracy, that Folio's comment on Instagram (in reply to a comment "I'm SO excited you're re-releasing the Andrew Lang Fairy Tale books!!!") was "It will be slow, but we'd love to re-release all the colours". So they haven't confirmed that they definitely will be re-releasing them all, just that they would love to do so and that if they do it will be a slow process.

100Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 17, 2019, 4:29am

True. Folio's 'confirmations' have been a real dissapointnment lately, they have been 'confirming' their release of 'Watership Down' for a couple of years for sure.

101folio_books
Oct 17, 2019, 4:50am

>99 CLWggg: So they haven't confirmed that they definitely will be re-releasing them all, just that they would love to do so and that if they do it will be a slow process.

I doubt this will be sufficient to dampen the frenzied market.

102CLWggg
Oct 17, 2019, 5:34am

>101 folio_books: Agreed, and I imagine they probably will re-release the entire collection, but I thought it best to point out for clarity that this hadn't actually been confirmed!

103c_schelle
Oct 17, 2019, 8:03am

I ordered Live and Let Die from the new collection and also added The Handmaid’s Tale, Oryx and Crake, Starship Troopers and Night. With the £20 discount and my £10 birthday voucher the express shipping is almost free. Altough the pound got quite high against the euro I want my books to arrive before Brexit happens.

104bookfair_e
Oct 17, 2019, 10:00am


Teaser on Twitter today:

"Our Christmas catalogue will be revealed next week! We are thrilled to give you a first glimpse at this glorious binding design. Any idea what you think it might be?"


105fancythings
Oct 17, 2019, 10:12am

>104 bookfair_e: Kafka's metamorphoses?

106elladan0891
Edited: Oct 17, 2019, 11:04am

Facsimile of a rare copy of The Herefordshire Pomona Pests and Pollinators?

107HarpsichordKnight
Oct 17, 2019, 10:48am

>106 elladan0891: hahaha, nice.

Funnily enough, all this talk of the Pormona actually makes me want one, despite having yet to purchase an LE, and knowing nothing about fruit at the best of times. Familiarity breeds love?

108Emily_Jones51
Oct 17, 2019, 11:16am

To anyone thinking it's Silence of the Lambs, there's no way. This looks like a classic science text on insects

109Emily_Jones51
Oct 17, 2019, 11:18am

Anyone checking out Ebay and laughing at the sellers listing the Blue Fairy Book for 120 GBP? HAHAHAHAHA - Greedy Suckers!

Whether it's slow or fast, as long as Folio releases them. I hope the Violet and Orange are next: I want to taste the tears of the sellers listing them for 500 GBP each.

Three cheers for Folio Society!!!

110Levin40
Oct 17, 2019, 11:20am

>104 bookfair_e: The Collector?

111SF-72
Oct 17, 2019, 12:37pm

112Pellias
Oct 17, 2019, 12:53pm

>110 Levin40: He collects butterflies .. and other things

113cronshaw
Oct 17, 2019, 1:12pm

>97 Kisa_Vorobyaninov: Folio has just confirmed on Instagram that they will be 'slowly re-releasing all the fairy books'.

I believe if I were the individual who had just spent £1,700 for the whole series on eBay very recently, I'd be anxiously checking to see whether I had the right to return them within 14 days for whatever reason :)

114folio_books
Oct 17, 2019, 1:46pm

>113 cronshaw:

My interpretation of slowly is one a year, which means we'll still be seeing them in twelve years time. I fear the Greedy Suckers will be intent on making their fortunes for many years to come, especially if Folio publish them in the original order, which releasing Blue first tends to suggest.

115Willoyd
Edited: Oct 17, 2019, 5:36pm

When, in recent years, has the FS reissued a complete series? They tend to be rather more selective. Blue is, I think, one of those that have actually been rereleased before.
At £60 a book, that'll still mean an absolute minimum of £720 for the series (and prices are as sure as eggs are eggs, not going to come down over the next few years - what price in 12 years time?). Cheaper than a complete series on e-bay at present, but that's at least a guaranteed complete set, and a set now.

116gmacaree
Oct 17, 2019, 5:52pm

>115 Willoyd: they didn't even manage to re-release volume 2 of the icelandic sagas!

117elladan0891
Oct 17, 2019, 6:06pm

>116 gmacaree:
Urgh, I got suckered into buying the reissued buckram volume 1 when I was still a green devotee, thinking that surely they'd reissue volume 2 shortly after...

118gmacaree
Oct 17, 2019, 6:40pm

>117 elladan0891: i imagine that happened to more than a few of us

119Willoyd
Oct 18, 2019, 6:06am

>109 Emily_Jones51:
Gosh, that's a lot of anger there (even shouting in a previous post). So, somebody offers an item on eBay for £X. People can either buy it or not. Nobody is forcing anybody, it's all open and above board. What's the problem?

120Uppernorwood
Oct 18, 2019, 6:51am

I expect the anger comes from cases where people buy them from FS with the full intention of selling them on at a huge mark up once they have sold out. They take up a copy from someone who actually wants to read and own it.

The Book of the New Sun was on Ebay within days of going on sale at a mark up of about 250%.

Of course if people have read a book and want to sell it on they're entitled to get the best price possible for it.

121Pellias
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 7:34am

I have seen anger on LT, and that there is not anger. That`s just Emily being, well .. Emily.

To read and sell is one thing, to buy maybe 10 King signed books and sell them unread for profit x8 or x16 times the price is a business, and that is not fair to other (real) collectors (or maybe it is, there are always two sides or more, but in my world it`s not fair) ..

People can sell and buy what they want for my concern, but Emily is only having a last laugh about the matter (of crazy prices secondhand) as i see it, so that now people that actually want to have and read the faerie books can obtain them for a more sensible price, instead of sellers using them as a leverage to price (the younger ones in particular) out of the marked .. i bet this makes many very happy

Unpredictable FS strikes again, and the demand have guaranteed been very high

: The blue faerie book was the last one to sell out (according to memory) so i understand it could be a little underwhelming to start with the less demanded one for most people .. if it is a start that will go on to completion that is

122Pellias
Oct 18, 2019, 7:38am

.. about Haunting at Hill House or any Shirley Jackson for that matter: As customer service replies: Regrettably, there is no information to suggest that any titles from the above will be published in the near or distant future. However, we do love to hear suggestions from our customers. I will certainly pass yours along to our editorial team. I do imagine that the illustrations would be stunning. I imagine they would also be very interesting to produce.

123fishthing
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 8:12am

New teaser on Twitter.

Montaigne?

Edit: illustrated by Mike Wilks?

124bookfair_e
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 8:29am

>123 fishthing: New teaser on Twitter.



"Not long now until all is revealed! Can you guess what exciting new edition this illustration could be from? We think it is quite a tricky clue... but what do we know?"

ETA caption

125Czernobog
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 8:38am

>123 fishthing: Looks like it - they even translated the quote for us. And they mentioned "a glorious collection of essays" on Instagram.

126gmacaree
Oct 18, 2019, 8:40am

I might have to upgrade my Montaigne if this is a newer translation.

127folio_books
Oct 18, 2019, 8:49am

>125 Czernobog: they even translated the quote for us. And they mentioned "a glorious collection of essays" on Instagram.

I have the three-volume set they published in 2006. I'm delighted - one less (three less?) to buy from that large pile.

128gmacaree
Oct 18, 2019, 9:06am

>127 folio_books: but the Florio translation used in the 3-vol set is appalling! For me, at least, getting through them was excruciating, and I think I've retained nothing.

129Willoyd
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 10:23am

>121 Pellias:, >122 Pellias:
Sounds pretty angry to me, shouting and all, but I take your word for it!

I have to say I'm a bit bemused about the aggro towards these sellers. Whilst the occasional FS book gets marked up steeply on the secondary market, the fact is that most sold second-hand don't come close to the original prices from FS: I've been selling most of my collection off bit by bit, and less than 5% have actually shown a 'profit'. OK, one or two might be predictable (but then one often has to ask what's the point of an LE in the first place if it's not to push the scarcity value), but generally, it's all a bit of a gamble, and overall, I would be surprised if most dealers were making big money. In terms of the Fairy Books, certainly, when I bought my copies (yes, I currently have a full set), whilst they were regarded as attractive, there was no talk of them IIRC being a longer term investment. Indeed, all these books were bought from FS, and most were in sales or discounted - that's how 'popular' they were.

As to 'now people that actually want to have and read the Fairy Books can obtain them for a more sensible price', well it's been pretty easy to buy copies of the Lang Fairy books for very sensible prices - if you want to read them, there are plenty of very cheap and functional editions available. This isn't about 'reading', it's about collecting. There are quite a few FS editions where I've decided that I really want to read the book, indeed have my own copy, but where the FS edition is too expensive, so have gone elsewhere. And what is a 'sensible' price anyway? That's very much a matter of personal opinion, and what you or I might think sensible, somebody else wouldn't - after all a lot of people wouldn't think FS books sensibly priced in any shape or form!

All in all, I just think there's far too much fuss made about these prices, and I find the language and its aggressiveness somewhat disturbing. If enough people are prepared to pay them, then maybe the price is 'sensible'. If they don't buy, then they are not. Personally, I think the FS will welcome these prices - nothing like a bit of rarity kudos, and the perception that one's books are a good investment - and wouldn't put any money on them rushing to undercut the market, not if they've any sense.

130SF-72
Oct 18, 2019, 10:37am

>121 Pellias:

"To read and sell is one thing, to buy maybe 10 King signed books and sell them unread for profit x8 or x16 times the price is a business, and that is not fair to other (real) collectors (or maybe it is, there are always two sides or more, but in my world it`s not fair) .."

That's exactly how I see this. People like that do take away the opportunity actual collectors, fans etc. have to buy something at publishing price. I appreciate it when publishers try to put a stop to this by limiting how many copies per household are sold, at least in the case of limited editions. It reminds me of how rare tickets are bought up to be sold for much more on the black market. There are attempts to get that under control now, too, from limiting how many tickets a single person can buy to not letting people with a re-sold ticket enter the theatre. So clearly this is something a lot of businesses have a problem with, too. We discussed this elsewhere before, but it's really a difference to me if someone does something like this, or sells something they didn't like enough to keep. With regard to used-book shops that buy things like the Fairy Books used and then sell them at extreme prices, it feels exaggerated and they drive up prices like this. But at least in that case someone was willing to sell their books to them as opposed to them grabbing up a limited edition before someone who actually wanted one to read and keep or not could.

131HuxleyTheCat
Oct 18, 2019, 10:40am

>129 Willoyd: I completely agree. Basically I think the anger boils down to 'I want it and I want it now' and where the only copies available are at a price which the individuals either can't afford or don't prioritise highly enough to save for.

The only time I've got annoyed about a similar issue was with Mort, when it was very clear that the tiny limitation was going to sell out in a few short hours and there were some in our community here who knowing that 'friends' would never get a chance to buy were buying multiple copies with the clear intention to exploit the secondary market. They did nothing actually wrong but I thought at the time that it was at least morally dubious. Of course Folio could have ameliorated the situation by limiting copies to one per account, but that bus had left by the time they even considered it.

132Kainzow
Oct 18, 2019, 10:49am

I emailed them last year wondering about A Brief History of Time. They said it was going to be reprinted soon in 2019, but we're already in mid October and it's still listed as sold out. I missed it and Beloved. (At the time I was a uni student, so couldn't afford Folios.) Anyway, I wouldn't be super optimistic about the Fairy Books. But that would be great to have them back. When I was new to Folio, I used to marvel at the shelves of those who have the entire collection.

>110 Levin40:
I thought about the Collector too.
But it seems unlikely. I think it's gonna be a non-fiction thing.

133Pellias
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 12:01pm

>129 Willoyd: It`s not anger, but it`s not very british probably, thus maybe it can be interpreted as anger, what do i know. Some case of cultural collision maybe :)

Personally as i can only speak for myself (and apparently also Emily). I also doubt Emily follow LT very close, as she doesn`t seem to involve or reply questions , also being a member since sept.18 she wouldn`t have learned the for some complex codex of how to behave on LT.

.. a sensible price is of course between the buyer and seller, it`s just that some sellers stink and some don`t .. - `it`s for me about .. to smell the louse in the hall when i meet one`

Before i end up being Emily`s defence atorney or her knight in shining armour i end it here, the trial could either way not continue without my potential client present, and it would be a potential very big job!

>130 SF-72: We have to be on guard, we that know the game, luckily we know where to look for our gems

>131 HuxleyTheCat: 'I want it and I want it now' That`s human. That`s FAD, addiction, Ocd, filling empty voids, heartache, loneliness, winner of the lottery prize, coolest in the street, one step closer to the most interesting library on LT what do i know `.. it`s why sellers get what they want (cash), and the buyer get what they want (thingy) .. and when they get it - have to have something more - the fix doesn`t last` and it might be lost if it`s not catched now (the fish might escape from the pond) .. time is ticking, chopchop .. welcome to a dash of the world of marketing, added with some supply and demand and a large tablespoon of human addictive behaviour .. too much stimuli

134fishthing
Oct 18, 2019, 12:09pm

>104 bookfair_e:

Jean Henri Fabre?

135adriano77
Oct 18, 2019, 12:40pm

>123 fishthing:

Looks like it.

Didn't care for FS' previous Essays so I'm quite keen to see a new take. If that's what it is, of course.

136Sorion
Oct 18, 2019, 1:31pm

>128 gmacaree: Exactly! Florio is nigh on unreadable. Either the Screech or the Frame translation would make this an absolute must buy for me. Who am I kidding, if they make it pretty enough I'll still buy it even with a Florio translation. Three editions of Montaigne just isn't enough and I need more.

137folio_books
Oct 18, 2019, 1:33pm

>128 gmacaree: but the Florio translation used in the 3-vol set is appalling

I have nothing to compare it with.

138Willoyd
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 4:10pm

>133 Pellias: It`s not anger, but it`s not very british probably,
That probably makes better sense!

>131 HuxleyTheCat: boils down to 'I want it and I want it now'
That's what it seemed to me too.

139LesMiserables
Oct 18, 2019, 4:24pm

The madness of crowds.

140SF-72
Oct 18, 2019, 4:44pm

>131 HuxleyTheCat:

Speaking for myself, not others here on the thread: I've got the complete Fairy Tales and I still get angry at the kind of seller who wants 500 Pounds for one of them. It's not about wanting something I can't have / won't pay a completely exaggerated price for, but about the principle of the thing.

141terebinth
Edited: Oct 18, 2019, 4:52pm

>136 Sorion: Florio is nigh on unreadable.

If only someone had told me before I read it ;)

It must depend what your reading has been. My Folio Montaigne occupies a shelf with the eight volumes of Thomas North's Plutarch (Shakespeare Head Press) on its left and the Folio edition of Burton's Anatomy on its right, I've always found it as welcoming as either, and I doubt I could summon the will to get to know a new translation no matter how well presented. Will be interesting though to see how much success Folio have in marketing Montaigne to readers with a preference for more modern texts, if that's what's coming.

142HuxleyTheCat
Oct 18, 2019, 5:49pm

>140 SF-72: We look at things in a very different way. Folio publish high priced editions of texts which can usually be read very cheaply or for free. They are objects of desire rather than necessity. The business in its current guise chooses to try and maximise profit and charge what the market will bear. Customers will vote with their feet and personally I have decided that many of the books which they are currently producing do not represent good value so I haven't bought them, despite the fact that I am in the fortunate position to have a substantial monthly book budget. I'm certainly not going to get angry about someone in the secondary market trying to do the same thing as Folio - maximise what the market will bear. It's certainly not something I'm going to waste emotional energy about as there are far more genuine injustices in the World.

143Sorion
Oct 18, 2019, 5:57pm

>141 terebinth:

Unreadable is perhaps not the perfect phrasing. Unbearable for many would be better. While it is readable and many have read it, yourself and myself included, for many it is unreadable and for many of us unbearably archaic. I don't enjoy the archaic translations much at all and avoid them if possible. They also present a real barrier to many who simply would find the archaic translation to difficult and foreign to get through. So I would consider one of the newer translations a real blessing from the FS. Though I own the older FS edition and the LEC edition I personally turn to my Penguin Classics the Complete Essays translated by Screech anytime I want to read Montaigne and would prefer a nice FS edition to turn too.

144Willoyd
Oct 18, 2019, 6:03pm

>142 HuxleyTheCat:
Exactly the way I see it.

145affle
Oct 18, 2019, 6:28pm

>144 Willoyd:

And I: the marketplace is full of lovely, affordable books I want to read - if one book is too much, pass on by. The FS is just not publishing much that I want to read (I seldom read SF, horror, fantasy, nursery/children's books or books aimed mainly at the American market), so the budget is going elsewhere at the moment. Since the coming of the internet the secondhand market works much more efficiently, and it's usually possible to tell whether high prices are a try on or reflect current scarcity.

146Bibliogasm
Oct 19, 2019, 3:09am

FS translations have always been my greatest bug bear. Of course, I detest the gratuitous price hikes which have severely reduced my purchases however, I simply cannot understand why they lavish care and attention producing beautifully crafted and typeset books and then plump for the cheapest, out of copyright translation available. To me, that smacks of venal penny-pinching and an epic breaking of the faith. So often, they never flag up which translation they have used or whether the text is abridged. It has resulted in numerous nasty surprises for me (Smollett and Candide I'm looking at you in particular). You don't imagine they'd ever opt for the creakiest, most anachronistic translation out there just to save a few pennies so that the book ends up with a severe dose of the Emperor's New Clothes. I have several FS volumes where I opened up the first few pages with excitement and then tossed it aside, furious...at them and more at myself for not checking before I purchased.

I think this also happens frequently with history books they publish, where not enough market research or academic rigour has gone into checking whether the original text has now been so debunked or superseded that it has lost a significant part of its value. In these instances, again, the editorial decision appears to have been motivated by cost - 'the rights for this are cheap - we'll make it look stunning so it appears definitive and charge a fortune for it.'

All the carefully crafted decisions they make over the illustrations and introductions and binding, the premium prices they attach to that and then they chuck away all that goodwill with disastrous and lazy editorial oversight with the translation. In these instances, FS very much wants us to judge a book by its cover and not much else. It often makes me think with their foreign literature, are they book publishers or, essentially, graphic designers?

147terebinth
Oct 19, 2019, 4:00am

>146 Bibliogasm:

The matter of translations seems to be one of the few in which the FS isn't moving fast enough for most of its present customers. I seem to be in a small minority, but by and large when I want to read any work from the past four centuries or so translated into English I've no appetite for looking beyond the earliest translations, where little more than language and local customs came between author and translator. It matters to me too that the translated text should be that which was known to British near-contemporaries of the original work, and in many instances clearly influential for their own, sometimes well remembered, writings.

I do think it a factor that Folio books aspire to being themselves enduring objects, and as a general rule the earliest translations have better survival prospects than the most recent, how competent soever. The most current of translations can always be superseded, and in practically every case will eventually be of interest rather to students of their own period than to intending readers of the author.

So, just a confession that where others here are finding objectionable anachronism I tend to find much the most rewarding possibilities for engagement. I soon lost interest in the Letterpress Shakespeare on account of its orthography, and while the FS succeeded in interesting me in Hooke's Micrographia I then sought out another publisher's version to obtain a genuine facsimile which preserves the language of the original. Good luck to the FS in publishing modernised texts and current translations, but there's nothing in them for me no matter how becomingly they're produced and so I'll not be buying.

148SF-72
Oct 19, 2019, 4:24am

>146 Bibliogasm:

I completely agree, abridged or bowdlerised translations plain and simply stop me from buying in most cases. I find it frustrating that FS invest so much time and care in the looks, then scrimp on an acceptable translation. And to me that's not necessarily the latest one, but yes, one that actually provides me with a text that represents the original in its complete form. One exception would be something where the translation is a work of literature in itself that allows a glimpse into its time, like Metamorphosis to name an example. With history books it seems strange to go for something so out of date that it actually misinforms you about the subject at times. That doesn't mean that the most current one is always what's best, but they do sometimes seem to go for cheap over reliable.

149SF-72
Oct 19, 2019, 4:32am

>142 HuxleyTheCat:

To each their own. We all could naturally read a lot of what FS publishes more cheaply (and save a lot of shelf space, too), be it as a paperback or even a free ebook if it's old enough. But many people, including us here on LT, naturally, generally see books as more than just the words you can 'consume', no matter the form. And for other things where some sellers do the exact same thing they do with FS books, there is no alternative whatsoever. I just stumbled across this issue with a popular UK TV series that for some weird reason is only re-released in limited editions that are sold out within weeks of publication, then prices explode beyond most people's means. I just don't have any sympathy for people who buy for no other purpose than to exploit this, and I frankly don't understand publishers who create such situations when they're not necessary. It makes complete sense that small private pressed only produce a limited number of books, or that FS stop printing books when they don't sell well enough, but why something like this is done with an automatic seller like that series is a mystery to me.

150Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 19, 2019, 4:42am

Folio is offering a 10% discount on 'His Dark Materials' this weekend.

151Czernobog
Oct 19, 2019, 8:17am

A few thoughts:
  1. Howl's Moving Castle: 7th book from the top (based on the colours of the winning cover art).
  2. Montaigne's Essays: possibly not a complete edition because the two large tomes are Working and The Blue Fairy Book. Might be the gilded second to last book.
  3. The Dracula LE is not in the photo so there must be another gothic horror novel forthcoming. The Woman in Black and Rosemary's Baby were mentioned in a 2016 survey. I'm hoping for Gaiman's Coraline though.

152Pellias
Oct 19, 2019, 8:35am

>151 Czernobog: (3) Hope so, and i have had confirmed it is not Haunting at Hill House. We have seen plenty of Draculas, but no Frankensteins. I am hoping for something more sexy though. Is it a reprint of something old, or is it something new that can be telling of what direction FS are going horror wise. Coraline would be nice.

153SF-72
Oct 19, 2019, 8:50am

Coraline would be very nice, preferably with the already existing illustrations by David McKean.

154Jayked
Oct 19, 2019, 9:00am

>147 terebinth:
I'm in that minority too. A Spanish reader of Don Quixote or a French reader of Montaigne deals happily with a level of archaic use we deal with in Shakespeare or Fielding. To modernise is to falsify. Look for example at the dreadful translation in the Poetic Edda.

155Jason461
Oct 19, 2019, 9:07am

Amidst the translation talk, it is worth noting that A LOT of the first translations of things were awful and just as designed to make money as anything you'd get today. Constance Garnett butchering Russian lit spring to mind.

My personal preference is translations that are as accurate as possible and which don't use words that wouldn't have been around at the time the text was offered. The exception is ancient and dead-language translations. In that case, I don't care. Just make it read nicely. The Fagles Odyssey, for instance. Or the Heaney Beowulf.

156RATBAG.
Oct 19, 2019, 9:17am

So far we have:

1. Howl's Moving Castle
2. Marvel
3. Blue Fair Book
4. Alice in Wonderland
5. Arabian Nights
6. Working
7. Bond
8. Unnamed Gothic novel
9. Montaigne's Essays (prediction)
10. Fabre's Book of Insects (prediction)

157gmacaree
Oct 19, 2019, 9:42am

I have no problem with archaic translations if they're good (Golding's Metamorphoses is lovely, for instance). Florio's translation is terrible.

158dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 19, 2019, 11:27am

>143 Sorion:

Agree entirely with Sorion in this regard. The purpose of a translation, first and foremost, is to make the work of literature easily comprehensible and readily accessible to the modern reader. Early translations that are centuries old such as John Florio's translation of Montaigne's essays are a non-starter for me, placing an unnecessary linguistic impediment between the work of literature and the modern reader. In nearly all cases I will opt for the most modern of the translations that combines accuracy with clarity. In the instance of Montaigne's Essays the translation by Dr. M.A Screech (Penguin Classics) wins hands down for me.

The obvious exception(s) to what is stated above are works of literature in which the poetry or poetic nature of the original prose is of paramount importance in one's appreciation, e.g., Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Beowulf, The Vision of Piers Plowman, Dante's Divine Comedy, etc. In this instance I would hope to find a translation which is a combination of clarity for the modern reader while simultaneously preserving some of the poetry of the original language. The Robert Fagles translations of the Greek classics and the Hollander translation of Dante's Divine Comedy are excellent examples of the latter.

159jroger1
Oct 19, 2019, 11:19am

>158 dlphcoracl:
That’s my opinion too. I’m willing to struggle with difficult concepts and complex plots but not with unnecessarily twisted or archaic language. The Screech translation in the “Gargantua and Pantagruel” LE is wonderful, and I would love to see his Montaigne in a nice edition.

160dlphcoracl
Oct 19, 2019, 11:30am

>159 jroger1:

There are no fine or private press editions of the Screech translation of Montaigne's Complete Essays, to my knowledge. The best one can hope for is an early printing (2nd or 3rd printing) of the hardcover Allen Lane/Penguin Press edition circa 1990 or 1991. The later 4th printing in 1992 is not nearly as well printed and is of inferior quality, to my eye.

161bookfair_e
Oct 19, 2019, 12:23pm

The latest teaser on Facebook today:



"We cannot wait to unmask our new collection, and there are only a few days left to wait! In the meantime, can you guess what edition this illustration could be from?"

162gmacaree
Oct 19, 2019, 12:29pm

In addition to the new Gargantua and Pantagruel, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Folio's recent re-release of Marco Polo with updated translation. They fall down a lot on this front, but seem to be improving.

163Czernobog
Oct 19, 2019, 12:45pm

>161 bookfair_e:

A 2016 horror survey listed Edgar Allan Poe's Tales of Mystery & Imagination, which contains the story "The Masque of the Red Death". Just a wild guess.

164LolaWalser
Oct 19, 2019, 12:51pm

>163 Czernobog:

Huh. Fair chance maybe, but the drawing strikes me as a bit... childish?

165Jayked
Oct 19, 2019, 1:10pm

Shakespeare is roughly of the same period as Cervantes and Montaigne, so perhaps we can look forward to a modern translation for those who can't figure out that wherefore means why, and purple means blood red.
I don't agree that poetry and drama need more care than prose. A good writer of prose can take infinite care over every word and piece of punctuation. And if the poetry is old enough you can't reproduce its form, which is why Homer and the Edda appear in trivial prose. Heaney's a great poet who went to great lengths to master the nuances of Beowulf; his translation stands up on its own poetic merits, but it's not Beowulf -- not even close. Different rhythm, voice, background...

166Czernobog
Edited: Oct 19, 2019, 1:33pm

>164 LolaWalser:

A fair point ,maybe it's from the Blue Fairy Book then

167Jason461
Oct 19, 2019, 1:30pm

>165 Jayked: But what is Beowulf then? Are you saying it's necessary to be able to read the text in its original form to get it?

168Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 2019, 1:40pm

>84 folio_books:

My friend is delighted and is sprucing up their dustbin even as we speak :-)

Brought to you by the number seven.

169Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 2019, 1:45pm

>93 xrayman:, >94 coynedj:

Heh! That's good.

I hadn't actually seen it before but it must have leaked into my subconscious somehow (the race memory, as Jung tells us).

:-)

170Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 2019, 1:56pm

>104 bookfair_e:

Hmm, an 'inordinate fondness for beetles' springs to mind.

Beyond that, I have nothing to offer :-)

171gmacaree
Oct 19, 2019, 1:58pm

>165 Jayked: This is an argument against all translations. Is that what you were going for?

172terebinth
Oct 19, 2019, 1:59pm

>167 Jason461:

That sounds an altogether defensible position to me. Being able to tick it off one's reading list after experiencing an "easily comprehensible and readily accessible" digest or paraphrase wouldn't be nearly the same thing, and Heaney's poem is in addition a poem, but a different poem.

In truth it's surely a continuum, there's no distinct level of alteration or dilution at which an adapted, simplified or modernised work ceases to afford any contact at all with its source. Bach on the Moog still conveys something of Bach, Lamb's Tales convey something of Shakespeare. In each case something is added and something is lost. As to how much the loss matters, only someone who's gone to the trouble of engaging intensively with the original work can deliver a worthwhile estimate.

173terebinth
Oct 19, 2019, 2:10pm

>171 gmacaree:

At best a translation of any literary work is an expedient for people in a hurry, with the further possibility that it may be possessed of graces entirely its own. Given that most of us are here for less than a century it seems unavoidable that most of us live in too much of a hurry to become closely acquainted with numerous languages and the successive developmental phases of each, and so translations are often quite handy. No point in making the unattainable perfect the enemy of the good.

174Jason461
Oct 19, 2019, 2:10pm

>172 terebinth: It is worth noting though, isn't it, that most of these early works weren't meant to be difficult to consume. Nearly all the pieces we're discussing have their roots in some for of oral tradition. I'm reminded of an early discussion here of listening to an audiobook.

175Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 2019, 2:17pm

>172 terebinth:

Bach's music is sometimes seen as an example of 'absolute music' where it's all about the notes rather than what they are played upon: thus he is open to multiple interpretations by jazzers and original instrumentalists and everyone besides.

But then there are schools such as the spectralists, where it's all about the sounds the instruments generate and how they combine with each other.

I am wondering how Webern might feel about his work being reorchestrated the way he orchestrated Bach and others.

No 'correct' answers to that, of course.

As for translations.

I would love to be able to tackle every work in its original form but, being realistic, that's not going to happen.

Translations are as inevitable as they might be undesirable.

And international politics depends upon them, so let's not be too mean to the unsung heroes who slog away in the shadows for us :-)

176Uppernorwood
Oct 19, 2019, 2:32pm

A translation is always once removed from the original work, but much enjoyment can be had from it still. By the way I dont thinking learning languages closes the gap much. Even if the reader understands the language, if it's not a natural language to them its debatable whether they'll get a full appreciation of it, as a nativecsoeaker would.

I also think it depends on the work. I've just finished The Count of Monte Cristo, and I would wager that I was able to appreciate the rip roaring tale of revenge every bit as much as a french person reading the original text.

However I expect a French translation of PG Wodehouse loses 50% of what makes him a great writer.

177Jayked
Oct 19, 2019, 6:07pm

It's just about impossible to translate all aspects of Beowulf because of changes in the language. Heaney has done a better job than anyone else of translating the storyline of Beowulf into an independent work of art. The nearest most translations come to the original form is by incorporating some alliteration, but not subject to the original constraints.
The Anglo-saxons were aware of rhyme as a curiosity, but couldn't make practical use of it because their language was inflected: the ending of words couldn't be manipulated because they conveyed tense, case, number etc. They therefore marked the beginning of words with alliteration to create a pattern: 2 alliterations in the first half of a line, one in the second. Not all parts of speech could bear alliteration: nouns and adjectives primarily.
Alliteration wasn't the only pattern used. Each half-line contained two stressed and two unstressed positions, with 3 of the stressed positions carrying alliteration. Simple arithmetic will tell you that there would be a maximun of six possible stress patterns in a half-line: /x/x, //xx, /xx/, x/x/, x//x, xx//.
Beowulf keeps very strictly to the rules, while countering monotony by variety of vocabulary. It should be remembered that the poem was intended for public performance, accompanied by some form of harp. It's hard to think of a "modern" poetic form so hedged about by rules; perhaps Pope's heroic couplets come closest. Imagine Pope translated into free verse.
It's likely that the majority of Anglo Saxon poets couldn't read. If so, their grasp of grammar, syntax and prosody is remarkable. Most people today no longer exposed to these disciplines as children have a hard time understanding them.

178Mr.Fox
Oct 20, 2019, 1:43pm

New social media illustration hint features a young lady on horseback. Any guesses?

179fishthing
Oct 20, 2019, 1:50pm

True Grit?

180bookfair_e
Oct 20, 2019, 2:38pm

181Czernobog
Edited: Oct 20, 2019, 2:44pm

>179 fishthing: "True Grit"

I enjoyed the Coen Brothers movie, but never read the book. Would be an interesting yet unexpected choice.

182Willoyd
Oct 20, 2019, 3:52pm

>181 Czernobog:
Book is excellent. I've long said I'd like to see more American literature (amongst others), so would really welcome this.

183adriano77
Oct 20, 2019, 4:35pm

I'd be very interested in seeing FS' take on True Grit or any classic Western novel. Lonesome Dove in particular would be exciting.

184coynedj
Oct 20, 2019, 6:33pm

>181 Czernobog: >182 Willoyd: I agree that the book is superb - well worth a read, and if indeed we see an FS edition it just might find its way into my basket. Both film versions are also worth seeing, though I do prefer the Coen Brothers version - Glenn Campbell was a tremendous guitarist, but he wasn't a very good actor.

185Willoyd
Oct 21, 2019, 9:42am

>Yes, that's another on my rather long shortlist of books I'd love to see them do. I live in eternal hope!

186Emily_Jones51
Oct 21, 2019, 4:33pm

I really hope that picture of the masquerade figures is not Poe's Mysteries book. It looks too cartoon-y. I wonder what their gothic horror title will be...

187Lady19thC
Oct 21, 2019, 7:41pm

I think the artwork of the masquerade figures is quite lovely. I don't personally associate with the atmosphere that Poe creates though. But regardless, if it is a Poe, I will gladly get it. To me it takes on more of a dark fairy-tale theme, so we will see what it is in 2 days!

188wcarter
Oct 21, 2019, 9:43pm

OK, so the next hint on Facebook is a cover detail that is really weird.

189fishthing
Oct 21, 2019, 10:47pm

The Life of Emperor Jean Bedel Bokassa?

190elladan0891
Oct 21, 2019, 11:57pm

>189 fishthing:
To steer the thought to an actual book, and the one I'd like to buy and read - how about Ryszard Kapuściński's The Emperor: Downfall of an Autocrat? Different guy, same idea.

191Hrodberht
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 6:50am

>188 wcarter:

Perhaps a reprint of the Patrick O'Brian series starting with "The Reverse of the Medal"?

;)

192bookfair_e
Oct 22, 2019, 8:57am

The latest teaser:

Hmmm?



The clock is ticking, and TOMORROW we will announce the 14 glorious new titles in our Christmas Collection. We can't wait to show you!

193F.Trier
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 9:10am

>192 bookfair_e: Should no doubt be a reference to the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland

194RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 9:53am

>189 fishthing: His grandson was my friend at school.

195Emily_Jones51
Oct 22, 2019, 11:34am

I'm excited about this wave. Are there any promos for it? i.e. 10% off or 30 GBP or something?

196Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 2:19pm

>195 Emily_Jones51: The Autumn Folio Magazine advertises a 10% OFF promo code (PMAG2) valid until the 21th of November.

Edit: there's also this from Instagram: Are you coming to @mcmcomiccon this weekend? Visit us at stand N200 to see our lovely illustrated books - and grab yourself an exclusive discount.

197RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 2:56pm

>196 Czernobog: Thank you kindly for the reminder!

198folio_books
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 4:46pm

Okay folks - off to bed now, early night before the big day tomorrow, when the myriad questions will all be answered. Hope the revelations are all you ever wished for and the excitement isn't too much. Have a nice cup of tea to hand or, better yet, a double espresso. Above all. enjoy!

Edited for afterthought. And now ... zzzzzz.

199bookofcalm
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 9:37pm

catalogue arrived today

1. Howl's Moving Castle
2. John Kennedy Toole- A Confederacy of Dunces
3. Blue Fairy Book
4. Alice in Wonderland (van sandwyck)
5. Arabian Nights
6. Terkel - Working
7. Fleming - live and let die
8. Leroux - phantom of the opera
9. Montaigne's Essays
10. Le Guin -The Dispossessed
11. Portis - True Grit
12. O. Wilson - The Diversity of Life
13. Kapuscinski - Shah Of Shas
14. Marvel
15. A Hero Born
16. Maigret set 2
17. Tales Of Ancient Egypt
18. Townsend - The Aztecs
19. Tey - To Love and Be Wise

christmas gift guide book:
sorry for bad quality- I'm at work! (I work at a record store) Prices are in Canadian dollars
: https://imgur.com/a/DinrENX

200RRCBS
Oct 22, 2019, 6:00pm

>199 bookofcalm: thanks! Interesting collection! Some titles I don’t know much about but will be looking into tonight! Hoping for a good translation for Phantom, as this has been on my wish list for a while (and I know a lot of other LT members will be excited about it too)!

201jsg1976
Oct 22, 2019, 6:03pm

Solely going off the titles, Confederacy of Dunces, Phantom, and True Grit will be added to my wish list

202Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 6:21pm

>199 bookofcalm: Wonderful! I feel like a kid in a candy store. Tentative must haves for me are Howl's Moving Castle, A Confederacy of Dunces, Phantom of the Opera, The Dispossessed and True Grit. Then if there's any money left Essays and The Diversity of Life. I already have the Marvel and the Alice LE with the Van Sandwyk illustrations.

Edit: still missing four books from your list - there should be 19 in total.

203SolerSystem
Oct 22, 2019, 6:11pm

Oh wow, I wasn't expecting The Dispossessed! Now I can get rid of my boring Easton Press edition haha.

204Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 6:17pm

>203 SolerSystem: Same here -:)

205RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 6:22pm

199> Omg! Beautiful all around, thanks for sharing! Might have to put off Folio until November.

Suntup is going to announce something with ROMAN numerals! :)

General question for all: Is "The Dispossessed" a stand-alone book or part of a cycle? The Guinverse slightly confuses me.

206adriano77
Oct 22, 2019, 6:22pm

True Grit, Diversity of Life and Essays interest me. Looking forward to the full reveals.

207RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 6:23pm

>202 Czernobog: Would the diary count as a release?

208Jayked
Oct 22, 2019, 6:27pm

>205 RATBAG.:
It's the first chronologically in the Hainish cycle, though not the first written.

209Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 6:38pm

>205 RATBAG.: Both The Dispossessed and The Left Hand of Darkness are part of the Hainish Cycle. There are more but those are the only two I've read. It's a very loose connection and they can (must) all be enjoyed as stand-alone novels.

210bookofcalm
Oct 22, 2019, 6:43pm

I will check and update! just added Maigret set 2. I'll upload the book if you guys are into it

211RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 6:57pm

>209 Czernobog: Ah, thanks for clarifying!

212bookofcalm
Oct 22, 2019, 6:59pm

Here's the whole thing!
sorry for bad quality- I'm at work! (I work at a record store)
: https://imgur.com/a/DinrENX

will add this link to my original post

213Niurn
Oct 22, 2019, 7:38pm

Oh, wuxia AND western for that collection !

214RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 7:47pm

212> Thank you from myself and every other distinguished book lover in this group! Much, much appreciated. :)

215davelin
Oct 22, 2019, 7:53pm

I think I am in for Howl's Moving Castle, True Grit and Phantom.

216IgnatiusR
Oct 22, 2019, 8:15pm

>199 bookofcalm: Thank you very much for uploading the catalogue.

Contrary to their last 2 offerings there are several great books in this one. Shah Of Shas, A Hero Born and, particularly, The Diversity of Life look magnificent.

However, in true FS style, they have messed up the two real winners of the lot, at least in my mind:

- Montaigne looks great, with a much better translation, but a selection of essays is like shooting your own horse. I have no interest in some author selecting what he/she thinks is worthy of the whole oeuvre of Montaigne, please give me the full book and I will decide if something must be skipped or not.

- A Confederacy of Dunces has been on my wishlist forever, but my worst fears have been confirmed: it is as ugly and over the top as I feared. IDK who is in charge of the design of "satyrical" or "funny" novels, but nothing they have produced lately is done with taste: their designs are neither clever nor funny, just ugly and garish (maybe I am alone in this, but I cannot think of one single satyrical novel where FS has nailed the style in the last years: Catch-22, Slaughterhouse-5 and, now and most importantly, A Confederacy of Dunces are plain ugly designs where the illustrations detract more than add to the novel).

I guess I should not be so frustrated, but these two unnecessary failures (IMO), detract from what is a really great selection of books by the FS in this catalogue.

217adriano77
Oct 22, 2019, 8:25pm

>212 bookofcalm:

Thanks for the pics.

Confederacy of Dunces is truly hideous. True Grit, on the other hand, looks great. Liking the art style a lot. Selected Montaigne? No thanks.

218MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 8:32pm

>217 adriano77:

Unabridged Montaigne would cost like $200 at current prices...so...that's assuming FS just put out the bare text without footnotes.

219RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2019, 8:53pm

I just noticed that the catalogue prices are exorbitant compared to the ROW (online price).

Any idea why? ROW online prices are much cheaper. (Ex: "Working by Studs Terkel" catalogue price: $155, online price: $78).

220Mr.Fox
Oct 22, 2019, 9:09pm

I already ordered Live and Let Die and Working, and I’ll be adding Howl, True Grit, and Dispossessed.

221Lady19thC
Oct 22, 2019, 9:15pm

Howl's Moving Castle, Phantom (so excited about this!!) and Montaigne's Essays for me.
Already bought the Alice and a few others for the husband and Santa to gift me come my birthday in late November and Christmas.

Some I have never heard of so will need to check them out first.

222elladan0891
Oct 22, 2019, 9:18pm

>190 elladan0891: "how about Ryszard Kapuściński's The Emperor: Downfall of an Autocrat?"

Well, looks like I'm actually getting my Kapuściński, albeit a different one!

Interested in Shah of Shahs, A Confederacy of Dunces, Alice in Wonderland, Working, Montaigne, A Hero Born, Tales of Ancient Egypt. Also possibly True Grit and The Diversity of Life - need to do more research.

Really looking forward to browse the books in detail tomorrow morning!
Great collection, looks like there is something for many people.

>199 bookofcalm: "18. Townsend - The Aztecs"

The Aztecs are from the previous collection.

>216 IgnatiusR:
I love illustrations in both Catch-22 and Slaughterhouse-5, I think they are great. However, I have to admit that illustrations and, especially, binding design of A Confederacy don't look that promising from the first glance. Won't stop me from buying, though.

223clymbouris
Oct 22, 2019, 9:27pm

>219 RATBAG.: AUS Dollars.

224bookofcalm
Edited: Oct 22, 2019, 9:37pm

>219 RATBAG.:

I should note I am Canadian! so those are canadian prices

225wdripp
Oct 22, 2019, 9:33pm

Definitely several titles that will go on my wish list. Not sure about some of the bindings/illustrations, though. I feel like there have been more misses for me recently when it comes to design.

I am seriously considering selling my LE of Alice and replacing it with the new, standard edition. As much as I love it, it doesn't get much use due to size, isn't practical for sharing with my wee nieces, and even if I just get my purchase price back it could fund a lot of other FS titles.

226LesMiserables
Oct 23, 2019, 2:15am

>217 adriano77:
Agreed. Confederacy of Dunces is truly hideous.

But what the heck is the Working book? Is this another example of the world's finest literature?

Folio looks like, sounds like, feels like, more than ever before a reincarnated BCA.

227CLWggg
Oct 23, 2019, 2:34am

>225 wdripp: "isn't practical for sharing with my wee nieces"
I love the fact that this is a consideration for you. There's something very special about a good quality book being shared and enjoyed between the generations, becoming fixed in the childhood memories of a younger person, and perhaps one day being passed on to them...

228cronshaw
Oct 23, 2019, 3:18am

>199 bookofcalm: Thank you for that list. After a couple of years of Folio celibacy, this risks being a most moist month.

229FitzJames
Oct 23, 2019, 3:24am

That is some delicious alliteration there.

231clymbouris
Oct 23, 2019, 4:30am

I've locked my eyesights on 5 books
- Howl's Moving Castle (Miyazaki fan here)
- True Grit
- Leroux - phantom of the opera
- Le Guin -The Dispossessed (to replace the uninspired EP one; like how it matches the theme of the other FS Le Guin book)
- A Hero Born (no idea what this is; just seems interesting)

Also glad to see that most of the above are very reasonably priced.

232terebinth
Oct 23, 2019, 4:52am

Another collection to reinforce my confidence that my FAD isn't coming back. I may still indulge in the odd Limited Edition every year or two.

233gmacaree
Oct 23, 2019, 4:58am

Pretty happy with this. A non-classical Chinese author! More LeGuin! A non-Dawkins book on evolution for a change!

I'm disappointed that Montaigne is an abridgement for the price, though -- I'm Screech-curious but not for a mere selection and not at that cost. Probably.

234cronshaw
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 5:02am

What a lovely collection, indeed the first time I've gone slightly gaga for a while. A Hero Born looks intriguing, I'd never heard of it in my ignorance, and what striking covers for Phantom of the Opera, and for the Edward O. Wilson's Diversity of Life. Montaigne finally in the widely acclaimed Screech translation, wonderful! Confederacy of Dunces is a must, great illustrations, and Howl's Moving Castle looks beautiful, how to resist? Oh dear, how very dear this could be.

235cronshaw
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 5:06am

>233 gmacaree: Ah, I didn't clock that it was an abridgement, what a shame (at £120 aka, phew!). The two-tone type-setting looks beautiful though.

236gmacaree
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 5:06am

>234 cronshaw: I haven't bought from Folio since Sappho in the Spring and my basket is getting out of control today. And now I'm reading about how nice Dracula is when you actually get your hands on it ... oh dear.

>235 cronshaw: Yes, probably a sale title for me. Disappointing!

237cronshaw
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 5:35am

>235 cronshaw: Dracula came through my front door yesterday. His spine smells so seductive it's all I can do not to bite into it. Don't dally if you're tempted, the counter's falling like a gravestone.

238wongie
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 5:25am

>235 cronshaw:
>236 gmacaree:

Shame indeed, definitely a pass and sale item for me too now having found out. Guess it'll just be The Dispossessed and Diversity of Life for me.

239Fierylunar
Oct 23, 2019, 5:28am

Wow, that Phantom art is atrocious, such a disappointment for me. Would've instantly bought if it had any of the PotO feel the musical, movie or book has for me. This is trying too hard to distance itself from that.

True grit looks good, Howl's has a bit more colour than the winning bid would suggest (but I'm still left wondering if the People's choice wouldn't have been much better). A hero born is the true stand out and everything a Folio edition should be in my opinion. As for Alice, I'm just glad it's there and will definitely order it.

240wcarter
Oct 23, 2019, 6:03am

Everyone is always eagerly looking forward to the release, then many express disappointment afterwards.
I can find several titles of interest, but will ponder for a few days before ordering.

241SF-72
Oct 23, 2019, 6:08am

>239 Fierylunar:

I agree: I was so happy when I saw they finally published Phantom of the Opera, but then I saw the illustrations. I find those quite disappointing. The Easton Press illustrations are much more appealing, but then FS use a complete text while EP use an abridged translation. In the end, a proper text matters more than the illustrations to me, but I do wish they'd chosen a different illustrator.

242SF-72
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 7:57am

Apart from the disappointing illustrations for Phantom, this is an appealing release. I couldn't resist Alice although I already have the limited edition, then Howl's Moving Castle, A Hero Born, Tales of Ancient Egypt, Phantom despite the illustrations, and I filled it up with some titles on my wish list. I ordered right away, with express shipping in case of Brexit going through, and was happy to find that the 10% voucher code worked online. It will be interesting to see these titles in person.

243mnmcdwl
Oct 23, 2019, 7:20am

The Jin Yong and Montaigne are interesting for me, but not instant buys. I’m not usually into kung fu fantasy, but then Outlaws of the Marsh was enjoyable enough and I do like Lord of the Rings. Has anyone read Hero Born and can give a thumbs up or down? As for the Essays of Montaigne, I am also disappointed about the abridgment, especially at that price. I would have preferred a higher price for a multi volume set similar to the Da Vinci Notebooks. That said, will a full Screech translation ever make a fine press appearance? I’ll probably wait for someone else’s review before deciding to purchase...

244lollipoppen
Oct 23, 2019, 7:26am

My instant buys:
- Howl's Moving Castle
- True Grit
- The Dispossessed
- A Hero Born (absolutely in love with the illustration)
- Alice in Wonderland (wish I had the cash for the LE but this edition looks whimsical!)
- Live and Let Die

I am undecided on Tales of Ancient Egypt and Phantom of The Opera simply because I'm not enamoured with the illustration and £100 is a hefty amount to be spent on two books I might not thoroughly enjoy...

Other than that, this is probably the most I've bought from a collection!

245lollipoppen
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 7:29am

I read 'A Hero Born' in my native language about 25 years ago and it's an incredible read. It'll be fascinating to read this in English!

246lollipoppen
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 7:37am

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247F.Trier
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 7:37am

248lollipoppen
Oct 23, 2019, 7:42am

Thank you! :)

249dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 9:19am

Initial thoughts:

1. A Confederacy of Dunces would normally have been an automatic "Buy" for me but the book design and illustrations are truly hideous. Pass.

2. The collection of Montaigne essays with the M.A. Screech translation is the best of the lot for me. I have no trouble with a careful selection of his essays totaling 440 pages. In truth, his essays are uneven in quality and interest and an unabridged book of his complete essays would be approximately 1300 to 1350 pages, resulting in an extremely large, thick and cumbersome book to read. Though the book design and quality are top drawer the price point is out of line - this book is destined to wait for a future FS sale.

3. Studs Terkel's Working is a groundbreaking work of social history and the photographic illustrations are perfect and appropriate for this book.

250bookfair_e
Oct 23, 2019, 8:07am

Email just in from Folio:

“Enjoy a FREE DIARY with every order, and FREE DELIVERY when you buy five or more books*

*Terms and conditions apply. Please log-in to your account to redeem your offers. One free Diary with orders of one or more books. Free standard delivery applies to orders containing five or more separate full-price titles. Express delivery will be charged at normal rate. Delivery offer excludes the purchase of limited editions which are charged at individual rates. No cash alternative or equivalent. Offers end midnight (UK time) Monday 23 December 2019.”

There is also the 10% discount voucher.

251Fierylunar
Oct 23, 2019, 8:32am

>250 bookfair_e: it would appear folio has fixed the double discount loophole on launch for once, you cannot get both the 10% discount and free shipping.

252RRCBS
Oct 23, 2019, 8:36am

I ordered a couple of hours ago and got both discounts.

253SF-72
Oct 23, 2019, 8:45am

I got the 10% but not free shipping and I ordered a little over two hours ago. Peculiar as ever.

254Emily_Jones51
Oct 23, 2019, 9:15am

Does free shipping only apply to the UK or does it extend to the US, ROW, etc

255RRCBS
Oct 23, 2019, 9:27am

I’m in Canada and I got it

256RRCBS
Oct 23, 2019, 9:36am

Find this release pretty great! Ordered:

Alice (even though I already have the set with Through the Looking Glass)
A Hero Born
Howl’s Moving Castle
True Grit
Maigret set
Live and Let Die
Phantom of the Opera

Got the 10% off and free shipping! Rushed my order in case it was a glitch and used that excuse to justify getting another copy of Alice!

All in all, still hoping for some Sara Waters (Fingersmith!!) and some more Gaiman but pretty happy.

257MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 9:39am

Oh my mistake. I only just now saw the price. I guess a complete Montaigne would be $600....:p

258Lim_See_Min
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 10:06am

Really like the illustrations for Howl's Moving Castle, much more than I expected when it was announced as the winner earlier this year.

There are many books I'm interested in in this collection, a first since I started getting Folio Society books (no offence intended, it's just, it's finally my thing this time), except I recently got Montaigne's Essays in the Everyman's Library edition since I didn't see it coming. A bit upset with myself especially because I prefer Screech's British English over Frame's American translation.

To express my excitement over a Jin Yong novel getting the Folio treatment, I guess I'd share something on it. Jin Yong is a household name among Chinese in pretty much all regions with a Chinese-speaking population, from Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau to Southeast Asian countries like Singapore and Malaysia. Or if his pen name is not, his novels, characters and 'wuxia moves' definitely are. His stories are pretty much our childhood/youth since there's a new television adaptation of many of his works every 5-10years. Wuxia is a huge genre in Chinese prose and television today but I don't have the words to describe it. While Folio Society describes it as kungfu and mythical, it's more of special powers, learnt and used through martial arts. I'm very curious about how the translation will be though since there are many names for the 'wuxia moves', everyone of which will seriously be a mouthful in English if translated literally. I wish Folio Society used footnotes more extensively. It's a real bummer though that the translator used such a weird title for this work. A Hero Born? It places too much importance on the protagonist Guo Jing, since there are so many other characters I would consider nearly equally as important. Or maybe it's just because I grew up with the name The Legend of the Condor Heroes instead (with the trilogy known as Condor Trilogy).

P.S. is the 10% voucher from a previous purchase or?

P.P.S. I should stop adding onto my own post but does anyone know about the translation for The Phantom of the Opera?

259folio_books
Oct 23, 2019, 9:51am

>242 SF-72: was happy to find that the 10% voucher code worked online.

Damn and double damn. I forgot to use the code. That's cost me about £30, not too far shy of another Folio book.

260coynedj
Oct 23, 2019, 9:53am

A Hero Born looks very interesting, but it is only the first volume of a series - before buying it, I would love to know if FS is planning on publishing the entire series.

Overall, I think this is the best collection in some time. I'm considering five books, which would be just enough to get the free shipping if it applies to the States!

261wdripp
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 10:13am

Definite buys for me: Alice, Howl's Moving Castle, and True Grit. Pondering A Hero Born and the Edward Wilson.

I dislike the illustrator they use for Le Guin which is a shame as I'd otherwise own all the FS editions of her work. Also passing on Dunces and Working due to the designs.

>258 Lim_See_Min: or others who are familiar with the work, I am interested to know how A Hero Born works as a stand alone novel, as there's no telling whether FS will publish future volumes.

262uncledaveh
Oct 23, 2019, 10:23am

Maigret Set Two and True Grit are winners for me.

263HarpsichordKnight
Oct 23, 2019, 10:26am

Nice selection!

Most tempted by the Montaigne, but with its high price, adding 4 more books to hit free shipping would be a bit too extravagant.

Other standouts:

A Hero Born
The Dispossessed
Alice in Wonderland
The Diversity of Life

Only thing I'm not wild about is the front cover of the 2020 diary, but guess you can't win em all.

264Lim_See_Min
Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 8:57am


Deleted for fear for misleading others.

265Willoyd
Oct 23, 2019, 10:47am

Initial looks suggest a more attractive collection than usual. Nothing an instant buy, but True Grit and Diversity of Life look pretty much nailed on at some stage in the future. Like quite a few others, Confederacy of Dunces looks truly horrible, so sadly that's one that I would have expected to join those two that is scrubbed. Alice is a possible other, although I'm happy with the 2-volume older FS edition I've got at present; Howl is another, although I preferred the 'members' choice'. I'm a fan of Maigret, and these editions look nice, but I'm not interested in half a dozen of the 70-odd that Simenon wrote, and will content myself with the 10-volume omnibus edition that I already have (and, no, I don't expect FS to do the whole series!!). Not bad for one collection.

266vmb443
Oct 23, 2019, 10:51am

I really want to want the Phantom of the Opera, but the illustrations are a huge roadblock to picking it up, so I am going to pass on it unless it ends up in a future sale. Otherwise I'll ordered the Maigret, the Arabian Nights reprint, the Alice, True Grit, Live and Let Die, and then I'm also going to pick up The World of Late Antiquity which has been on my wishlist and is down to less than a hundred copies.

267Redshirt
Oct 23, 2019, 11:06am

Lots of interesting choices that will go on my wish list but nothing that will cause me to jump on it before my regularly scheduled, semi-annual purchase plan. Confederacy of Dunces will be the one I most debate. Frankly, I didn’t like it when I read it nearly 40 years ago (OMG, I’m old). I’ve had it on my list to re-read but that design isn’t inspiring me to act quickly.

268wdripp
Oct 23, 2019, 11:23am

>264 Lim_See_Min: Thanks so much for your reply. I'll be moving it into the 'buy' column. :)

269Neil77
Oct 23, 2019, 11:43am

What a collection this time around! My hats off to FS for pulling a coup out there...

Have placed my order for The Phantom of the Opera (I actually like the theatrical style of the illustrations), A Hero Born (looks gorgeous and I am glad I will get to read an extremely popular fiction written in Mandarin), Howl's Moving Castle (love the illustrations), Tales of Ancient Egypt (Have the Greece and they would make an extremely gorgeous set) and last but not the least, Marvel (have resisted my FAD all this while but finally succumbed to it).

270Mooch360
Oct 23, 2019, 12:13pm

Is anyone expecting a Set Sale in the near future? I could be wrong but I thought the last one was last fall.

271Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 23, 2019, 12:14pm

There's a lot here of which I like the look. Which is a feeling I haven't had for a while.

The Diversity of Life jumps out because we've had a lot of Dawkins from Folio and Wilson has not always been on message with Dawkins.

It got quite nasty at times, if I recall correctly. But science, like politics, is a contact sport: marshall your data, model your results, get stuck intae 'em and gie 'em laldy!

But always, and I mean this most sincerely, be prepared to admit when you got it wrong.

:-)

272Emily_Jones51
Oct 23, 2019, 12:19pm

yes Mooch, does anyone think there will be a Set Sale? I dont think there will be one because of this current offer of 10% off. What say you!?

273Emily_Jones51
Oct 23, 2019, 12:19pm

And also, Folio's new collection is SUPERB!!!!! I want to buy at least half of the set!!!!!

274Sorion
Oct 23, 2019, 1:19pm

This is the best FS collection this year in my mind. There are some misses: Confederacy of Dunces is atrocious, just atrocious. Working..well I don't get it have no desire to get it and never will get it. I'd also say Shah of Shahs is totally without interest to me.

That said I love the art on Phantom. That is a win in every way and I will buy it not even having read the book because I love the art so much. The same for A Hero Born, just lovely.

Montaigne... I'll be buying it. I may be a sucker but I love Montaigne so that's going to happen. >249 dlphcoracl: has a point in saying that not every essay is worth the time it takes to both print and read so I'll settle for an abridgment now in a fantastic translation and hope for a full LE treatment 10 years from now. Or 20. Or maybe 30.

275F.Trier
Oct 23, 2019, 1:33pm

The following are on their way to me:

Howl’s Moving Castle
The Dispossessed
The Diversity of Life
The Phantom of the Opera
True Grit

Also liked the Hero Born artwork, but decided against it in the end.

276bookofcalm
Oct 23, 2019, 1:43pm

I am very excited for a Hero Born. I guess I'm the only one who likes the confederacy of dunces art! Excited for Maigret but I've been buying the 75+ title penguin paperback series so I expect they are all doubles for me. Really great release day overall!

277Levin40
Oct 23, 2019, 3:04pm

Some really lovely design and illustration work in this collection: Alice, A Hero Born, The Diversity of Life and True Grit are all exquisite and I'll pick them up at some point. Can't make my mind up one way or the other about Phantom. Montaigne is elegant but a little overpriced - if it ever appeared in a sale I'd snap it up. If it'd been an unabridged multiple-volume LE I'd have gone for it too. A disappointment for me is The Dispossessed. It's one of my all time faves but those dreary illustrations really don't do much for me, especially the cover.

278Jason461
Oct 23, 2019, 4:28pm

>226 LesMiserables:

Working? It's Studs Terkel. Do people really not know who he is? He was an extremely influential American writer, historian, etc. He won the Pulitzer for nonfiction at one point. His most important work is generally regarded to be what he does in Working - oral histories of working class people. Working was required reading for me in college and hugely important.

279NLNils
Edited: Oct 25, 2019, 1:46am

>278 Jason461: I didn’t. He’s before my time. And I didn’t study social studies. The book itself is just weirdly laid out. A academic paperback has the same dimensions, they should have reset the type. The binding will not hold up at 700+ pages and the additional weight of the oversized margins. For what it’s worth I now have a interest in the book, but only in a secondhand paperback.

280Jason461
Oct 23, 2019, 4:45pm

>279 NLNils: Yeah, I'm not wild about the design, either. He definitely deserves the Folio treatment, though.

281Czernobog
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 5:58pm

This is one of the strongest and most adventurous line-ups in years. The designs are generally better and more exciting than those those of the Autumn collection, which I thought were a bit bland. There’s a wide variety of books to choose from both in terms of region (British, French, American, Chinese) and genre (SF, Fantasy, Western, Gothic etc). There’s a nice balance between fiction and non fiction (2 to 1).

I ordered The Dispossessed, Howl’s Moving Castle, True Grit and The Phantom of the Opera. There’s much more I want but that will have to wait until next month.

282Czernobog
Edited: Oct 23, 2019, 6:42pm

>250 bookfair_e: “Enjoy a FREE DIARY with every order, and FREE DELIVERY when you buy five or more books*

I got one for free with only four books ordered.

283Mr.Fox
Oct 23, 2019, 6:29pm

Free diary with every order.

Free shipping if you order five.

284Czernobog
Oct 23, 2019, 6:42pm

>283 Mr.Fox: Thanks sorry about that.

285kdweber
Oct 23, 2019, 7:19pm

Every time the Folio Society asks for book suggestions I put down A Confederacy of Dunces; yet, when they finally publish it I have to pass because it is so ugly.

287gatsby61
Oct 23, 2019, 8:10pm

In Canada, and PMAG2 isn’t working on the voucher code. Am I missing something?

288coynedj
Oct 23, 2019, 8:33pm

>287 gatsby61: - Is that the 10% discount code that has been mentioned so many times? I may place an order in the morning, and would love to knock 10% off what will surely be an expensive order.

289bookfair_e
Oct 23, 2019, 8:51pm

>287 gatsby61:

These are the T&Cs that apply to the PMAG2 discount code:

*Valid for current customers only. One use per customer. Cannot be used in conjunction with any other voucher or promotion. Ends midnight (UK time) Thursday 21 November 2019.

I’m not sure precisely what “current customers only” means – possibly the code was a concession/reward to customers who made a purchase from the September collection and were then issued with the code in the Folio magazine which accompanied their order. But who knows with Folio’s new website?

>288 coynedj:

Yes, it is 10% discount. I used it successfully yesterday.

290coynedj
Oct 23, 2019, 9:05pm

>289 bookfair_e: Thank you. I used it and got the free shipping as well, for my still overly expensive order of:

A Hero Born
The Diversity of Life
True Grit
Montaigne's Essays
Kindred
Oryx and Crake
Marco Polo's Travels

291Mr.Fox
Oct 23, 2019, 9:47pm

Total purchases this week:

Live and Let Die
Reach for the Sky
Working
Moby-Dick
True Grit
Howl’s Moving Castle
The Dispossessed
A Hero Born

Now it’s time for a break from shopping for a month or two.

292wdripp
Oct 23, 2019, 9:53pm

I was able to use the 10% discount and get free shipping with an order of 5 books. I'm in the US.

From the new collection I ordered:
A Hero Born
Alice in Wonderland
True Grit

I also ordered :
The Anglo-Saxons
Moby Dick

The Anglo-Saxons is in the "low stock" section, and FS mentioned Moby Dick had 200 copies remaining a few days ago. Neither have counters, but I didn't feel confident I could find them cheaper in a sale or in the second hand market, and didn't want to miss them.

The Ancient Civilization series is one of my favorites, and I'm so happy the are continuing to put out new titles in the series occasionally.

293Lady19thC
Oct 23, 2019, 10:28pm

I was also able to use the 10% discount and free shipping for 5 books or over. I am in the US.

Alice in Wonderland
Phantom of the Opera (2 copies)
Howl's Moving Castle
Tales of Ancient Egypt

Most will be handed over to Santa/the husband for my birthday and Christmas. Very excited about all of them!

294devilsisland
Oct 24, 2019, 12:23am

Damn Damn Damn

Was so looking forward to Something Wicked ,,,and Confederacy and both are a disaster.

Damn Damn Damn

295SF-72
Oct 24, 2019, 4:11am

I wrote to FS since the free shipping wasn't applied to my order of 10 books and was told they'd refund the 20 Pounds. You really can't fault their customer service. And my order was marked as shipped within about an hour, which was also impressive. I don't have tracking (I paid for express), but I hope it will arrive before the end of the month and a potential Brexit.

>287 gatsby61:

The voucher worked online for me in Germany, but I've had cases when vouchers didn't function online. In case of doubt, try to phone in the order. Their online shop isn't always reliable with these kinds of things but FS customer service is very helpful when you talk to them in person. Just try to get directly to them during UK office hours, the outsourced order line can't help with anything more tricky than just accepting an order.

296LesMiserables
Oct 24, 2019, 5:28am

Probably the wrong thread for this but since a few have noted how horrendous Confederacy of Dunces is, it may be worth revisiting the question of why the Folio Society insists on producing occasional works which defy explanations?

I'm talking absolutely awful illustrations seemingly composed by pre-schooled crayon wielding urchins, masquerading as adult artists.

I've seen too many of these over the years to consider them as unfortunate contracts scrawled on the back of a fag packet after one of the wilder Eagle St Christmas parties.

I mean what the heck is going on?

297Bookworm59
Oct 24, 2019, 7:27am

Well, shoot. I've been so looking forward to a Folio Phantom . . . but now I don't know. :-( I mean, the art isn't badly done, it's just really weird. There's nothing wrong with a little creativity, but shouldn't it at least try to fit the theme and the tone? Even something like a film noir theme would have fit better than a Day of the Dead theme.

298folio_books
Oct 24, 2019, 7:42am

My books arrived this morning. Nothing much to say so far, other than the books which appear hideous on the website are, if anything, even more hideous in the flesh. One little detail that amused me, though. The new Bond features, as always, artwork by the incomparable Fay Dalton. The slipcase features Mr Big facing Bond over his desk. In the background there are bookshelves, the books highly detailed. It seems Mr Big is a collector of Folio Society books including (did you guess?) four volumes in the Bond series :)

299RRCBS
Oct 24, 2019, 7:46am

>298 folio_books:

Which books did you buy? Always enjoy your early comments on the new books :)

300folio_books
Oct 24, 2019, 7:56am

>299 RRCBS: Which books did you buy?

After much prevarication (it may have been as long as five minutes) I chose:
Live and Let Die
A Confederacy of Dunces
The Dispossessed
Howl's Moving Castle
True Grit
Phantom of the Opera
The Second Maigret Collection

I may be back for Diversity of Life, A Hero Born and/or Shah of Shahs, depending on whether Folio offer a further discount code. Definite "no"s are Montaigne (I have the earlier unbutchered version) and Tales of Ancient Egypt (I cannot abide the author).

301treereader
Oct 24, 2019, 8:00am

>298 folio_books:

Very crafty, indeed! Maybe Fay is warning us that Ms. Omni is equivalent to Mr. Big. Only Agent Double-O-Mole can save us!

302Hrodberht
Oct 24, 2019, 8:31am

>292 wdripp: "The Anglo-Saxons is in the "low stock" section..."

I can't seem to find a "low stock" section on the website, please could you point me in the right direction

303folio_books
Oct 24, 2019, 8:43am

>301 treereader: Double-O-Mole

Now that really did make me laugh. I think you may have invented a new FSD legend.

304Lim_See_Min
Edited: Oct 24, 2019, 8:51am

>292 wdripp: I feel totally terrible right now but I guess it is better late than never. I was flipping through Instagram and saw that the second book is known as A Bond Undone. I pasted this online expecting it to be the second book in the trilogy. It has come to my attention that the English version splits the first book into 3 (another website gives it as 4) parts and A Hero Born is one of them. I am extremely sorry for assuming the trilogy was about the Condor Trilogy. I'm very very very sorry, I can't express my guilt enough.

I'll PM in hopes this will reach you earlier.

305CLWggg
Oct 24, 2019, 9:18am

306N11284
Oct 24, 2019, 9:34am

>285 kdweber: Every time the Folio Society asks for book suggestions I put down A Confederacy of Dunces; yet, when they finally publish it I have to pass because it is so ugly.

Couldn't agree more. I've been pleading for a Folio edition of this but will not be buying this one.

307podaniel
Oct 24, 2019, 9:34am

>296 LesMiserables:

I think they want to appear "arty" from time to time and so one winds up with the illustrations from A Confederacy of Dunces which appear to be what one gets when one sticks the works of Philip Guston, Stuart Davis and Jasper Johns in a blender and hit the "chop" button.

308Hrodberht
Oct 24, 2019, 9:39am

>305 CLWggg: Thank you.

309sdawson
Edited: Oct 24, 2019, 9:43am

I took the free shipping bait as well and ordered my five books

The Dispossessed
True Grit
Live and Let Die
Working
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay

Books which made it to the wish list but not in the basket include:

Alice In Wonderland (Because, is my FAD so bad that I really need a 5th copy of Alice just because it is so gorgeous? The other copies already on the shelf are Heritage Press, Limited Editions Club, Easton Press, and Everyman's Childrens Library)
A Confederacy of Dunces (Illustrations and cover are not to my taste. Still I do not own this highly recommended book)
Joan of Arc (I will likely wind up with this later this publishing year)
Phantom of the Opera (Again, Illustration and cover are not selling this for me, I'll stick with my EP edition)

-Shawn

310woodstock8786
Edited: Oct 24, 2019, 10:11am

Hi everyone!

I ordered yesterday and still a bit bummed about the illustrations for Howl's Moving Castle...I really loved the ones from the People's Choice Winner.

A question about the shipping! I used the PMAG2 discount code, so I got the 10%, but I had to pay for the shipping. How many books did I have to buy to get free shipping? I ordered 7 books, but I got Express shipping, because who knows what Boris might think up next week...

Oh and by the way, I was suprised that now the cost for the UK and ROW was the same...Have they given up on charging everyone more than the British?

311wongie
Oct 24, 2019, 10:10am

All this amusing repulsion at the artwork of some of these new titles reminds me of a thread not too long ago asking whether books should be illustrated. I take it, at least where these particular books are concerned, people would rather they certainly not be illustrated at all.

312wdripp
Oct 24, 2019, 10:11am

>304 Lim_See_Min: Not to worry! It is a beautiful production and I will track down further volumes elsewhere if I get sucked into the story and need to keep reading. Hopefully it will sell well enough that FS will at least try to complete the first 3-4 volumes.

313bookfair_e
Oct 24, 2019, 10:11am

>310 woodstock8786: How many books did I have to buy to get free shipping?

Five books gets standard free shipping, but if you select Express then you don't get it for free.

314woodstock8786
Oct 24, 2019, 10:13am

Great, well I didn't want to risk it and might have my books stuck in Dover for weeks on end.

315woodstock8786
Oct 24, 2019, 10:15am

Yes that is right, liking a certain piece of art is absolutely subjective. I just think that the whole letting the customers vote for an illustration and then not using that, but letting a jury decide on another, is plain confusing.

316davelin
Oct 24, 2019, 10:30am

Illustrations aside, for those who have read Phantom of the Opera, what is your take for those of us who haven't read it before and may just be familiar with the story from the musical?

317SF-72
Oct 24, 2019, 10:35am

>310 woodstock8786:

It's five books or more. I had the same problem with my online order and didn't receive the shipping discount at first. It wasn't connected to express shipping.The way it's written on their website, express shipping is an extra 11 Pounds on top of the 20 Pounds standard shipping which should have been free. In my case that standard shipping fee wasn't shown as free either, which is why I asked about this by email. FS refunded 20 Pounds, I paid the 11 to upgrade to express for the same reasons as you did.

318woodstock8786
Oct 24, 2019, 10:40am

Ah okay, thank you! I will just write an email to them and ask about it. Maybe they will refund them as well.

319folio_books
Oct 24, 2019, 10:51am

>316 davelin: what is your take for those of us who haven't read it before and may just be familiar with the story from the musical

I've half-read it twice and both times had to give up because I just couldn't get into the author's style. I can tell you this much, though - any similarity with the musical is entirely coincidental. Basically, it's set in an opera house and (plot spoiler coming) it's got a phantom in it. The names are the same. That's about it, really.

320Jayked
Oct 24, 2019, 11:12am

>316 davelin:
You can have a quick shuftie at Project Gutenberg. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/175/175-h/175-h.htm

321Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 24, 2019, 11:55am

>287 gatsby61:

etc.

We've been here before, haven't we?

If it's like last year, the PMAG2 discount only applies to old books, i.e., not the new or most recent releases.

But they didn't explain that clearly last time and it sounds like they haven't done so again.

Get on their case about it, they need to do better.

:-)

322PeterFitzGerald
Oct 24, 2019, 12:55pm

>321 Cat_of_Ulthar:

It'd be nice if the system told you the reason when you tried to use it: "Error: This discount code cannot be used on orders including books from the Christmas Collection" or what not.

323bookofcalm
Oct 24, 2019, 1:19pm

>294 devilsisland:

So I think what everyone hating on Confederacy is saying- they don't like yellow books. Or is it the strawberry banana combo you don't like? Something Wicked is one of my favourites!

324NLNils
Oct 24, 2019, 1:23pm

I’m impressed by the variety of this collection. A fortnight ago I ordered American Gods, Anansi Boys and I Am Legend with the then discount of £20 if your total was £150 or more. Three outstanding books added to the library and my #1 knocked off the wishlist (Gods)! I really appreciate the realignment of ROW and UK prices, paired with monetary discounts.

I added 9 books to the wishlist from this collection alone(!). None are pressing, and some are sale fodder, but for me FS got this one right. The books which are of most interest to me are the two latest Le Guin. I love the uniform size and consistent binding. Lupton is a illustrator who works for me, the illustrations being part of the text feels right. I never read her works, but at the price point (£36,95 per) I’m prepared to take the plunge. As my last order burned up my book buying budget, I’ll patiently wait for the New Year Sale and will do a combined order at that time. That is, if Brexit doesn’t ruin things for a while.

325SF-72
Oct 24, 2019, 1:30pm

>324 NLNils:

"I really appreciate the realignment of ROW and UK prices, paired with monetary discounts. "

So do I. I wouldn't have bought from them the way I have without this.

326HuxleyTheCat
Oct 24, 2019, 3:05pm

I had a feeling this would be a decent collection for me and indeed it is, with several books I will eventually buy. Maigret two was a very nice surprise, as any book which contains the wonderful work of Harry Brockway is always a welcome addition to my collection and here we have three. My aesthetic tastes are rather too conservative to be enamoured of Folio's efforts with The Phantom of the Opera or Confederacy of Dunces, but A Hero Born, The Dispossessed, Howl's Moving Castle and The Diversity of Life all look good. As with The Rubayiat, Folio appear to have done a wonderful job of converting the limited edition Alice in Wonderland to standard; I have the limited but could well be tempted by the smaller format. And then we come to Tales of Ancient Egypt, where I am rather torn. RLG's Robin Hood was so awful that I didn't think I'd ever even consider any more of his contributions to literature, but the illustrations are so wonderful in the new Folio that I don't know. I went as far as checking out some of the text via Amazon 'look inside' and the initial page or so was nowhere near as bad: more cogitation required.

>298 folio_books: "It seems Mr Big is a collector of Folio Society books" This idea of having an illustration containing Folio books strikes me as a little self-indulgent if I'm honest. When I'm reading I want to be immersed in the story, and the illustrations should, in my view, add to that immersion, not provide a distracting insider joke.

327folio_books
Oct 24, 2019, 4:24pm

>326 HuxleyTheCat: any book which contains the wonderful work of Harry Brockway is always a welcome addition to my collection and here we have three.

You might find yourself a little disappointed, as I was, to find the illustrations are few and far between. Well up to his usual standards but there is a distinct paucity.

>326 HuxleyTheCat: This idea of having an illustration containing Folio books strikes me as a little self-indulgent if I'm honest.

My jury is still out. It's certainly a little disconcerting, but it's also funny.

328Jason461
Oct 24, 2019, 4:33pm

I''m really confused by the design hate for Confederacy of Dunces. I don't even like the book, but the illustrations are, I think, incredibly appropriate for a book set in New Orleans in that particular time period.

329RATBAG.
Oct 24, 2019, 4:55pm

>301 treereader: Killed me with that. Thanks! lol

330RATBAG.
Oct 24, 2019, 4:57pm

So that 10% off is for old books only? Wish they'd had clarified this beforehand.

Let it be known from this moment forward that the mole shall now be referred to as...

Double-O-Mole.

331Czernobog
Oct 24, 2019, 5:09pm

>330 RATBAG.: I ordered four new books and used the PMAG2 discount successfully. Just double-checked my order.

332Sorion
Oct 24, 2019, 5:20pm

>328 Jason461: Illustrations being appropriate doesn't necessarily have anything to do with them being incredibly off putting and ugly. Similar to the AP Tristram Shandy. Some consider the art to be the perfect accompaniment to the written word but many find it horribly off putting and ugly(myself included).

http://www.librarything.com/topic/305832#6801309

333Jason461
Oct 24, 2019, 5:24pm

>332 Sorion: But, I mean, it's not like CoD is all pretty? I guess it's just weird to me that a group of literature buffs has so many people who think art needs to be conventionally pretty when accompanying in a text that is anything but. That's not a demand anyone here would ever make of a piece of literature.

334bookfair_e
Oct 24, 2019, 5:44pm

>330 RATBAG.: So that 10% off is for old books only?

I don’t think the 10% discount applies only to back-catalogue titles, it’s for any full-price books. My order was for new titles only - five books - all from this latest release which qualified for both free shipping and the 10% discount.

335Willoyd
Oct 24, 2019, 5:57pm

>333 Jason461:
I equally find it weird that anybody would want something ugly sitting on their bookshelves. Maybe we just have a different view of what is meant by ugly? I certainly wouldn't expect anything pretty for a book like CoD, but I would want something that appeals to my senses. This certainly doesn't.

336IgnatiusR
Oct 24, 2019, 6:20pm

>328 Jason461: Maybe, just maybe, it is because you "don't even like that book". The same way l coudn't care less about the illustrations of The Phantom of the Opera: for me it is immaterial whether they are good or not, as l dislike the book and would never buy it.

So, if several people, myself included, who have advocated for this particular book are not satisfied, maybe just maybe, we have a slightly better understanding of what an appropriate style would be.

And no, nobody is asking pretty drawings for A Confederacy of Dunces, but something more in line with the iconic illustration of Ignatius J. Reilly we all have seen. FFS, l could have even accepted perennial FS favourite Quentin Blake as the illustrator.... almost anything but this travestry well defined in the second paragraph of >296 LesMiserables:

337Lady19thC
Oct 24, 2019, 7:11pm

I think I am the only one who actually loves the artwork in Phantom and I can't wait to see it in person. I have a falling apart paperback only of phantom with a rose and the white mask on the front. Very Broadway. I love the Broadway version and the movies, but the book is quite different and I feel the artwork gives it that sort of that French twisted dark fairy-tale feel to it. In the book the phantom is quite ugly. He wears a full black mask, he has no lips, sunken eyes and no nose. His whole face is hideous and he really had no redeeming qualities. They also refer to him as the ghost....I think he is only referred to as the "phantom" once in the book, which I found interesting. Seeing Phantom come alive from a different perspective is fabulous and artistic. I don't want another cover and artwork that matches the Broadway productions. I want a different, darker, more twisted view. I think they accomplished that. I have been begging FS to do Phantom for over a decade now. I wouldn't dare turn it down! I'm also not a fan at all of EP or LoA so for FS to do one that I love has made me extremely happy. I hope a few others feel the same way.

338wcarter
Oct 24, 2019, 7:48pm

I really like the EP Phantom of the Opera and its illustrations, and enjoyed reading it despite the translation.
See -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/warwick_carter/48012435687/in/photolist-2g9Ghpi-R7...

339Jason461
Oct 24, 2019, 9:06pm

>336 IgnatiusR: I mean, maybe? I love Catch-22. I don't care for the Folio illustrations, but I don't hate them the way many here seem to. It feels like (and maybe I'm wrong) people have expectations about what they think a book should look like and if those expectations aren't met, they react pretty forcefully. That's not really how I operate.

340kcshankd
Oct 24, 2019, 9:59pm

>339 Jason461:

Having recently re-read C of D, I am struck by the difference between 'ugly' and 'I don't care for it'.

If any work of fiction 'deserves' ugly, aesthetically, it is this one, in my opinion. That great signifier of popular opinion, Wikipedia, notes: "His (Ignatius) mockery of obscene images is portrayed as a defensive posture to hide their titillating effect on him."

The illustrations on the Folio page seem directly on topic to me...

If money were no object I would be replacing my worn copy with this new version. Alas... need to check with mom or sell some hot dogs.

341LesMiserables
Oct 25, 2019, 12:26am

Subjectivity is one thing but presenting a patently ars gratia artis collection of what only be described as kitsch, should belong elsewhere; certainly not in increasingly expensive editions.

342Sorion
Oct 25, 2019, 12:31am

>337 Lady19thC: You aren’t alone I love it as well. Of all the releases this time this is the one I’m most interested in physically. I haven’t read the book so can’t speak to the text only the physical object.

343bookofcalm
Oct 25, 2019, 5:51am

>333 Jason461:

I agree - the guy rolls around farting and eating hot dogs and generally behaving in a crass exaggerated manner throughout the book. So it is maybe a little bit of a different vibe from Fagles' Odyssey or Little Dorrit. It's 1963 New Orleans so let's enjoy the local colour! Personally I think the spine and slipcase look especially great.

344Kainzow
Oct 25, 2019, 8:39am

>339 Jason461:
I agree. I don't even think it looks that bad.
For my part, I'm always interested in seeing how an artist interprets a story I've read.
If it suits my liking, then good. If it doesn't, I will still study the illustrations to better understand his perspective.
Anyway, I like the freedom Folio gives to the artists; they give guidelines, but that's about it. This element of surprise is one of the many things that make Folio books fascinating.
I've never not bought a book based on the illustrations only.

345N11284
Oct 25, 2019, 9:33am

>333 Jason461:
"I guess it's just weird to me that a group of literature buffs has so many people who think art needs to be conventionally pretty when accompanying in a text that is anything but."

I'm not sure where the reference to literature buffs comes from , but for me personally I come here because I like FS editions and like to hear what others have to say about them.

In fact I'm anything but a literature buff and if you visit my catalogue you will see what a mix it contains.

I have the Penguin classics edition of CoD and love the book for it's content. I was eagerly awaiting this edition but as I said earlier it's not for me , mainly because I find the illustrations to garish.

346hamletscamaro
Oct 25, 2019, 9:41am

>330 RATBAG.:, >331 Czernobog:, re. the 10% discount: mine worked on all my books, older and newer books. This included 2 titles from the Christmas collection. However, as I am in the US and already paying ROW pricing, maybe they don't care since the prices are already way higher than the exchange rate. Granted, I did get the free shipping as well, where some of that extra money goes, and as long as I don't care when I see my books, then I save a few dollars.

347podaniel
Oct 25, 2019, 9:55am

I have a hard time thinking of FS editions that were totally off-putting in terms of illustrations (confession: I have already ordered Phantom of the Opera and A Confederacy of Dunces--and, worse yet, actually read the FS edition of Something Wicked This Way Comes and thoroughly enjoyed the book and the illustrations).

Actually, I can think of one--the FS LE of James Joyce's Ulysses (not the recently published one with wonderfully-apt illustrations). Basically, the LE's "cartoons" were just a series of simple stick figures framed by mono-colored abstracted forms. Yuck (I still bought it, though, because it was published on the 100th anniversary of Bloomsday).

348HuxleyTheCat
Oct 25, 2019, 11:32am

>327 folio_books: "You might find yourself a little disappointed, as I was, to find the illustrations are few and far between"

The brochure (I nearly typed prospectus there for a moment, silly me) claims fifteen including frontispieces in total over 472 pages, which I don't think is too bad a page to illustration ratio; it seems about average, particularly when considering how much work goes into each one.

349Czernobog
Oct 25, 2019, 12:54pm

>347 podaniel: "I have a hard time thinking of FS editions that were totally off-putting in terms of illustrations"

I know Quentin Blake is a well liked illustrator, but I skipped the Riddley Walker because I didn't like the visuals. However it's more often the other way around: the design and/or illustrations make be buy a book I might otherwise not have bought, f.e. The Sound and the Fury LE.

350Mr.Fox
Oct 25, 2019, 4:23pm

I purchased and enjoyed Something Wicked This Way Comes. The artwork and overall design choices were as nightmarish and garish as I would expect when accompanying a story about a Satanic carnival.

351Pellias
Oct 25, 2019, 6:28pm

Wishlist are growing for me .. waiting for the right moment to narrow it down >350 Mr.Fox: I also like the look of that one, and will be in my next basket. Will pass my final verdict on it when i see it on the shelf

352overthemoon
Edited: Oct 26, 2019, 4:40am

Suprised myself by sending in an order: Howl's Moving Castle, An Omelette and a glass of wine (the E.David that was missing from my collection), and two copies of Alice as it suddenly occurred to me that it would make a nice gift.
And the discount code worked - almost compensated the postage.

353wcarter
Oct 27, 2019, 6:23am

The catalogues for the 2019 Christmas Collection, and the 2019 Children's Christmas Catalogue have been uploaded to the FSD wiki here.

354NLNils
Oct 27, 2019, 10:20am

>353 wcarter: You have my gratitude as always.

355Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 27, 2019, 12:47pm

>287 gatsby61:, >289 bookfair_e:, >322 PeterFitzGerald:

I have just placed my order and the code worked for me although I had not placed an order from the September collection so that's apparently not one of the conditions. And it clearly works on new books as others have already said.

So I am puzzled as to why the code is not working for some people.

A website issue, perhaps, or are some countries excluded?

But it would be good if the system offered an explanation. I'm sure the coders could set something up.

356wcarter
Edited: Oct 27, 2019, 11:40pm

Thanks to rampkr (aka Kevin of Essex), the indices to all the prospectuses and catalogues produced by the FS since 1947 have now been updated on the FSD wiki here.

Kevin has made indices that cover over 1700 FS books, that enable you to find in which catalogue/prospectus they appear, and then you can download that document.

To use these, go first to the Prospectus and Catalogue Index of Indices at the top of the Prospectus/Catalogue list, and find in which decade the book you are searching appears, then go to the index at the start of each decade to find out exactly which prospectus/catalogue features the book. Then click on that prospectus/catalogue in the list to download it.

Kevin has done all the collating, I have merely uploaded it to the FSD wiki.

357sdolton
Oct 28, 2019, 12:08am

Thank you both very much

358SF-72
Oct 28, 2019, 12:15am

Thank you very much for doing all this work.

359IgnatiusR
Oct 28, 2019, 4:40am

Brilliant. Many thanks

360NLNils
Oct 28, 2019, 4:59am

🙌

361RATBAG.
Oct 28, 2019, 12:25pm

Thank you, Kevin! Very much appreciate it all!

362fiascoborelli
Oct 28, 2019, 2:23pm

Thank you Kevin and Warwick!

363LesMiserables
Oct 28, 2019, 3:56pm

I concur, a sterling effort.
I do wish though that Christmas be spelled with Christ, not X.

364folio_books
Oct 28, 2019, 4:00pm

>363 LesMiserables:

He doesn't fit in the box.

365Mr.Fox
Oct 28, 2019, 5:33pm

>363 LesMiserables:

The X in Xmas is a Greek chi, the first letter in Χριστός (Christ). That initial is often used as an abbreviation for Christ.

366sdolton
Oct 28, 2019, 5:43pm

Was able to use both the 10% discount and the free shipping offer on my order; Keegan title from the Sept 18 release, other four titles backlist. Lessened the damage.

367clymbouris
Oct 28, 2019, 8:27pm

For those who are intrigued by "A Hero Born" but have little idea what's it about you might like this this article.

368wcarter
Edited: Oct 28, 2019, 8:59pm

>367 clymbouris:
Fascinating!
Now I'll have to add this to my nextorder.

369folio_books
Oct 31, 2019, 8:04am

I can't decide where to place this post but it's definitely not worthy of a new thread so I'll settle for "not the Christmas Collection" instead. To quote from one of my favourite movies:

Could be?
Who knows?
There's something due any day
I will know, right away
Soon as it shows

"Something's Coming", West Side Story.

How do I know? Call it Spidey-sense.

I'll take my medication now.

370Emily_Jones51
Oct 31, 2019, 9:46am

Does anyone know how the Free shipping works; does it work if you apply the PMAG 10% discount?

371davelin
Oct 31, 2019, 9:52am

>370 Emily_Jones51: I placed five books in my cart and when I went to checkout, the standard shipping option was free. I am in the U.S. for whatever it's worth.

372Emily_Jones51
Oct 31, 2019, 1:42pm

Great! Thank you; I will try it out then. Also, can you only use the code once!?

373RRCBS
Oct 31, 2019, 1:57pm

>372 Emily_Jones51: think so...I tried to use it a second time and it didn’t work online. Not sure if my order is a good idea so haven’t tried calling in :)

374folio_books
Nov 1, 2019, 10:18am

>369 folio_books: Something's Coming

And lo, here it is. A rather unexpected LE https://www.foliosociety.com/uk/doctor-zhivago.html

Looks lovely but not one for me.

375Redshirt
Nov 1, 2019, 10:25am

>374 folio_books: Amazing prediction. Would you happen to know the winning numbers in tonight’s New York lottery? Or have you just been having cocktails with the mole?

376Willoyd
Nov 1, 2019, 10:27am

>374 folio_books:

Looks lovely but not one for me.
Indeed - good to see them reverting to rather more understated elegance, and the translation/illustrations look interesting. My one regret is that it's yet another rehashed classic (of a book I already have in FS edition), but suppose that the fact that it is an LE justifies that to a large extent.

377folio_books
Nov 1, 2019, 10:30am

>375 Redshirt: Amazing prediction.

Thank you. Not so much a prediction, I must confess, though I swear nary a cocktail has passed my lips. I would advise you to give a wide berth to anything I might have to say about the New York lottery.

378folio_books
Nov 1, 2019, 10:44am

>376 Willoyd: good to see them reverting to rather more understated elegance

That's the main thing that struck me - it looks like a proper Folio book. If I didn't already have the standard edition I might have given it more thought but it's a lot of money for a book I was never terribly impressed by. My main impression is this doesn't look to me like a huge/fast seller, so maybe I'll have a chance to reconsider if it lasts as long as the 2021 LE sale.

379Willoyd
Nov 1, 2019, 1:45pm

>378 folio_books:
but it's a lot of money for a book I was never terribly impressed by.
Can only agree.

380Sorion
Nov 1, 2019, 2:21pm

Just purchased Montaigne and the Blue fairy book from the Christmas collection. In addition to the Dr. Zhivago, Velveteen rabbit and The House at Pooh Corner. Thus ends my Christmas shopping.

Blue Fairy is a gift for my 8 year old daughter who loves the Lang fairy books and Pooh Corner is for my 10 year old daughter who loves Winnie the Pooh. Actually let me rephrase that. Blue Fairy is a gift for my 8 year old daughter who loves Charles Van Sandwyk.

381podaniel
Nov 1, 2019, 3:30pm

>379 Willoyd:

Ditto. Pasternak makes Dickens look like a piker when it comes to ridiculous coincidences.

382coynedj
Edited: Nov 1, 2019, 4:21pm

>381 podaniel: - If you want ridiculous coincidences, just read Ben Hur. It was laughable - there was an amazing coincidence/meeting on every page, I think.

383Emily_Jones51
Nov 1, 2019, 4:48pm

Does anyone know if any of the Lang Fairy Books / Ordinary Fairy Tale books are on the endangered Folio list?

384RRCBS
Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 7:39am

I received my Christmas collection books and here are my thoughts:

True Grit, Howl’s Moving Castle - very nice
Alice - a totally unnecessary purchase but very happy, gorgeous
Bond - very nice as always
Phantom - gorgeous and I love the design
A Hero Born - the inside illustrations are gorgeous, but the covers are an ugly shiny laminate...very disappointed because I had pictured a totally different material and this reminds me of high school textbooks

385SF-72
Nov 2, 2019, 10:14am

A question to those who received The Phantom of the Opera: I'm admittedly a bit sensitive in that regard, but I find the smell of my copy rather unpleasant / chemical. That's an extremely rare occurrence with FS. Do you have the same problem? The rest of my order was absolutely fine, as usual.

I do like the metallic A Hero Born, by the way, but it's also clear that it's extremely sensitive / easily damaged. It already had fine scratches in the metal layers the first time I pulled it from the slipcase. This can only get worse.

386Czernobog
Nov 2, 2019, 11:04am

>385 SF-72: It smells like fresh paint to me. Doesn't bother me at all. Maybe leave it outside the slipcase for a while?

387bookfair_e
Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 11:13am

>385 SF-72: A question to those who received The Phantom of the Opera: I'm admittedly a bit sensitive in that regard, but I find the smell of my copy rather unpleasant / chemical.

Yes, a very strong chemical odour which I assume to be from the dye/ink used on the text block edges. The smell has faded a little these past few days but lingers noticeably. I expect it will disappear altogether before long.

388SF-72
Nov 2, 2019, 12:09pm

>386 Czernobog:
>387 bookfair_e:

Thank you, I'll try airing it outside the slipcase and hope that will help. Years of allergies have made things like this chemical smell oozing from the book rather problematic for me, it caused trouble with my lungs just from looking through it.

389Czernobog
Edited: Nov 2, 2019, 12:30pm

Speaking of The Phantom of the Opera, there's a blog post up on the Folio site where the artist, Taylor Dolan, gives a behind the scenes account of how the illustrations came to be. Interesting read.

390NLNils
Nov 2, 2019, 12:43pm

>389 Czernobog: Thanks! Good blog! Learned a thing or two about the design process of this book and illustrations in general.

391sviswanathan
Nov 3, 2019, 8:27pm

It's been a little while since I've posted here, and I was thinking of purchasing The Diversity of Life from the new collection, along with one from my wish list that I hadn't yet purchased, the three volume Captain Cook journal set. In any case, my question is about the Wilson book, The Diversity of Life. The binding is described as "soft-touch laminated paper." I'm not familiar with that description, so I was curious if anyone had received the book and could provide some comments on the binding. Thank you.

392Cat_of_Ulthar
Nov 4, 2019, 2:56am

>391 sviswanathan:

I ordered The Diversity of Life. I'm not sure what they mean by 'soft' because it feels as solid as other paper covered books, at least to my fingers. It's not like your fingers sink into it as if it's rubber or anything like that.

Unless perhaps they are referring to the texture: the paper feels very smooth to me, with no discernible texture to it unlike, say, this year's diary.

They have used some sort of varnish or metallic ink in places to give the insects an iridescent sheen, which is a nice effect.

393overthemoon
Edited: Nov 4, 2019, 5:48am

My books arrived - that was the quickest delivery ever (from Spain).
Very pleased with Alice in Wonderland and Howl's Moving Castle, both delightful.
And An Omelette and a Glass of Wine, another for my E David collection, also looks fantastic, a far cry from my ancient Penguin paperback. But it will not go near the kitchen.

The Diary follows the same model as last year's, with one image at the start of each month, and banners from the same image across the top of the week double-page spreads, which makes it boring. It was much better when there was a picture on every left-hand page.

394RRCBS
Nov 4, 2019, 7:05am

So I placed by Christmas order, got 6 books, chose not to order A Confederacy of Dunces because I didn’t think I would like the book. Further research has raised doubts and all the talk about the design (even though mostly negative!) has made me really want to buy it!

395sviswanathan
Nov 4, 2019, 7:12am

>392 Cat_of_Ulthar: Thank you! It sounds like a nice binding. I appreciate it.

396overthemoon
Nov 6, 2019, 2:45am

I just noticed something: on my Despatch Note, all the values are given as 0. Is this a mistake, or a cunning plan devised to confound customs control?

397Sorion
Nov 6, 2019, 2:43pm

I have just taken possesion of Montaigne's Essays. I was quite surprised as upon first handling I found the size a little oddly proportioned and the decoration of the cover a little on the nose. Opening it however I can only say it is a fantastic volume. It is surely the finest edition that FS have produced of Montaigne and likely the finest that has been produced by any of the fine or private presses. The Allen Press volume will clearly be superior in many artistic ways but this volume in it's subtle details and proverbs like presentation has it beat with it's overall quality when translation is taken into account. The red page numbers on every page are a nice little treat. The selection on brief inspection seems very fair and includes most of the high notes. I think one could study this volume and feel very comfortable saying that have indeed read Montaigne. A real surprise and a real success on FS part.

398terebinth
Nov 6, 2019, 2:57pm

>397 Sorion: surely the finest edition that FS have produced of Montaigne

Well, there have only been two, and for anybody who either wants or is content with a modern translation, and wants or is content with a selection of the essays, this will probably be the more welcome of the two. I can't say it's evident to me that it's the finer, then I'd still not be a customer if it were bound in full goatskin and printed letterpress on laid paper.

399Sorion
Nov 6, 2019, 3:59pm

>398 terebinth: True there have only been two. Perhaps not necessarily the meaning I was trying to convey there.

400Dr.Fiddy
Nov 7, 2019, 10:03am

I just received my copy of Montaigne's Essays as well. I totally agree with >397 Sorion: this is a fantastic volume. I'm sure the previous, three volume, edition is fine too, but I'm really happy I got this one :)

401coynedj
Nov 7, 2019, 11:31am

Tracking says I'll get my books, including Montaigne's Essays, a week from today. These early reports are making me very eager to have it in my hands!

402dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 7, 2019, 2:22pm

>397 Sorion:

FWIW, there IS a finer private press edition than the new FS volume and it is not well known. It is the large paper edition de luxe 5-volume set published by the Navarre Society in 1923 (London) in an edition of 150 copies, published in full vellum bindings over stiff boards with gilt ruling and lettering and marbled endpapers. The letterpress printing was done at the Riverside Press of Edinburgh from a font specially cast, then printed on an Arnold's British handmade paper specially made and watermarked for the Navarre Society. Copper engraved portraits of Montaigne are use as the frontispiece in each of the five volumes. In addition to the complete essays, this set also include 'A Sketch of the Life of Montaigne' and the Letters of Montaigne, 105 additional pages in all.

The translation strikes a middle ground between the classic 16th century John Florio translation (dreadful) and the recent modern 20th century translations by Donald Frame and Prof. M.A. Screech. The Navarre edition uses the 17th century translation by Charles Cotton which was extensively edited (modernized) by William Carew Hazlitt in 1877. Although only about one hundred years separate the older Florio and Cotton translations, the Cotton is (imho) far superior and more approachable to the modern reader, much more so following the Hazlitt revision in 1877.

The new FS edition is most welcome because the Screech translation is excellent and it is probably the most accessible to 21st century readers. I also appreciate the abridged edition (yes, I know - blasphemy!) in which a knowledgeable editor cherrypicks the best essays to result in a readable volume that is a pleasure to hold. The Cotton/Hazlitt translation requires a bit more work to wade through but it is poetical and a nice alternative to the Screech.

403kdweber
Nov 7, 2019, 10:09pm

Just received my copy of A Hero Born. Oops, I didn't look at the description carefully. It's bound completely in shiny paper like my poorly bound college texts of yesteryear. You know, the type of binding that comes apart by the end of the term.

404Sorion
Edited: Nov 8, 2019, 1:44am

>402 dlphcoracl: Oy ve. Just what I didn’t need to hear! I will be looking for this. Obsess on.

405wdripp
Edited: Nov 8, 2019, 3:27pm

My order arrived today. Five books in a medium sized box in good condition, no bag, from FedEx. All books undamaged and there was plenty of paper packed around them which kept them snug.

Initial thoughts on the new releases:

Alice: very nice but perhaps a bit underwhelming since I have the LE

True Grit: a nice, standard Folio and I quite like the illustrations

A Hero Born: like others I had a visceral reaction to the binding which was unpleasant and much too like textbooks, but I like the design

From the back catalog:

Anglo-Saxons: a welcome edition to the series, but I would have preferred to pay less and do without the companion volume (and the gilt topped pages)

Moby Dick: love the wood block illustrations and the font size is easy on the eyes, this may be my favorite of the bunch

My Moby Dick is a 6th printing with a revised binding. Wondering what the revision was and find myself really wishing I had a Folio75 or whatever we’re up to now to consult.

406NLNils
Nov 8, 2019, 2:02pm

>405 wdripp: As far as I know it points to the new cover for this edition of Moby Dick relative to the LE. That should be the fifth printing, but I can’t check as I own only the Fine edition.

407Mr.Fox
Nov 8, 2019, 3:07pm

I received my order and I’m not sure that A Hero Born is going to hold up well over time. All the textbook comparisons are spot on. It’s going to show every scratch. I’m nervous about taking it in and out of the slipcase.

408wdripp
Nov 8, 2019, 3:26pm

>406 NLNils: Hm. I don't have many LEs (only 2) but I guess I assumed there would be more of a difference between the LE and fine edition of Moby Dick (more than just the binding, I mean).

409dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 8, 2019, 4:53pm

>404 Sorion:

FYI: Below are a series of photographs of the 5-volume deluxe large paper edition of 'Essays of Montaigne' published by the Navarre Society (1923). The opening pages of several essays from Book One are included to help the FSD assess the nature of the translation. There are numerous glosses and footnotes on nearly every page which I find obtrusive and, for the most part, unnecessary and I have ignored them while reading the essays.

P.S. For FSD purists who believe this post belongs on the LT Fine Press Forum, the pages which demonstrate the nature of the Charles Cotton/William Carew Hazlitt translation are still relevant since this translation remains a mainstay widely read in the 21st century.























410ironjaw
Nov 9, 2019, 5:24am

Thank you for posting this. I always value other opinions and these pictures are beautiful.

411NLNils
Nov 11, 2019, 1:34pm

>353 wcarter: Hi Warwick. I’ve downloaded the Christmas catalogue and I found that some scans are blurred. Specifically from page 23 ‘till page 45. Is this unique to me, or did something go wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

412folio_books
Nov 11, 2019, 2:59pm

>411 NLNils:

The scanning of all the prospectuses/catalogues is down to me. I've had a look and I agree with you, though I can't identify the specific problem. The only thing I recall is being in a raging hurry while I was doing it. Anyway, thanks for pointing it out. I'll see if doing it again from scratch will make a difference. It'll be tomorrow at the earliest, though.

413wcarter
Nov 11, 2019, 7:04pm

>411 NLNils:
These scans are always a compromise. If you scan at high quality (300dpi) the document (particularly a 76 page one like this) takes ages to load. Lower quality means a slightly blurred image but faster loading.

I could scan my copy, which i have now received, but all the prices would be in Australian Dollars, and I suspect the rest of the world prefers Sterling even if they are not in the UK, as they would be more likely to know the conversion rate.

Once Glenn (folio_books) has sent me the scans, I will upload them and replace the link on the FSD wiki.

414NLNils
Nov 12, 2019, 12:31am

>412 folio_books: >413 wcarter: Thanks for the quick responses! I don’t mind a slight out of focus, but when I zoom in I still must be able to read the text. It’s not just for me, but for everyone else who uses the Wiki now and in the future as reference. I have all the prospectuses (from 1978) on my phone and this is the first time I noticed this, so it’s not due to being a high or low dpi scan. The work you two put in is invaluable and ever appreciated as such!

415folio_books
Nov 12, 2019, 11:56am

>413 wcarter:
>414 NLNils:

Uploading the scans for Warwick now. I've been without the internet all day. Just got it back minutes ago.

416Lady19thC
Nov 12, 2019, 1:12pm

Personally, right now I am feeling sick to my stomach. Both my orders, which comes to well over 500.00 has been delivered to the wrong address in a town several towns over and FedEx won't do anything about it because the address was not mine, even though it was when I placed the order and FS has the correct address. I don't even know how 2 orders placed and shipped on separate days can get mixed up like that. Also, my name was correct, just not the address, so now some jerk has my books and wasn't honest enough to give them back to FedEx to have them find the correct person. I am furious. I called FS and now have to wait for them to contact me because it is such a detailed problem that they can't just mail out two new orders until we figure out what happened. I hope they replace them. I cannot afford to lose out on 500.00+ dollars or replace them myself.

Some were supposed to be my birthday presents from my husband, which is in 2 weeks. A few I was keeping. The rest were going to be Christmas presents from hubby to me. Now I have nothing. I'm literally in tears. If this is the tracking situation, I wish we didn't have it. What a nightmare.

417Czernobog
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 1:43pm

>416 Lady19thC: Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it will be sorted out before your birthday. From my own experience and what I've read on here, there is one certainty and that is you will get your books eventually, probably sooner than later.

418RATBAG.
Nov 12, 2019, 1:36pm

>416 Lady19thC: This is extremely sad to hear and as book lovers, I imagine we can all empathize.

I have good faith that Folio will do the right thing and replace them, they've replaced two expensive orders that went missing a long while a back and were happy to do so.

Keep us posted, please.

419Sorion
Nov 12, 2019, 1:46pm

>416 Lady19thC: That is really frustrating but as >418 RATBAG.: said take heart FS customer service is usually pretty fantastic.

420Lady19thC
Nov 12, 2019, 1:47pm

>417 Czernobog:
>418 RATBAG.:

I don't even understand how this can happen. But how can the people who accepted it be so dishonest? It had my name on it. They certainly were not expecting 2 boxes of books from FS. If it had been me I would have immediately contacted FedEx to pick it up and redirect it as it did not belong to me. If I could figure out who it did belong to, I would drop it off at their house if they lived within half an hour to deliver it straight to them so they would not be distressed and wondering where their package was. I once had clothes that were delivered to someone on the other side of town. They opened it, took the clothes out of the packaging, tried them on!!! And all the while, the name and address was mine. Their road was similarly named, but not exact. They didn't care. They just claimed the package like it was their right. UPS got it back but I told the company, they resent me fresh clothes and I donated the others to charity. Unbelievable.

421treereader
Nov 12, 2019, 4:30pm

>420 Lady19thC:

Is there any chance that they simply haven't opened the packages or have been too busy to deal with their return? If they did contact FS or FedEx about the mistake, how long might it take before a return label is sent to them?

In any event, I empathize with you and hope for a quick resolution.

422Forthwith
Nov 12, 2019, 10:52pm

There is also the possibility that the package(s) were stolen from the porch. That has been happening more these days. They just follow the delivery trucks and snatch the packages.

423Lady19thC
Nov 12, 2019, 10:55pm

>421 treereader:

I honestly don't know. They received one package one day, the other one today. Neither have been returned to FedEx and in talking to FedEx, they didn't really seem to care. While my name was correct, the address was for the other town, with some other street and a completely different zip code. I have no idea how that happened and with both packages, but it did. They consider themselves as having done right because they delivered the packages to the address that was on the label. Apparently an FS customer lives there? I can't think how anyone would have got a different address, but how it got mixed up with my name is beyond me. I don't understand it, but at least I have proof from the printouts of FedEx that indeed this is the situation.

I, too, hope it is sorted out. Every year for my birthday and Christmas I pick out a bunch of FS books and my husband chooses what to give me for my birthday and what to save for Christmas. This will need a miracle to be sorted out before my birthday now, being only 2 weeks away. :(

424Lady19thC
Nov 12, 2019, 10:57pm

>422 Forthwith:
No, they were delivered to a different town. The tracking provided and the chat with FedEx confirmed that. We already know that. Nothing came to this town and we are home all day looking out the front window. I'm home, husband works from home. No one steals here. I am too rural and in a private road.

425treereader
Nov 12, 2019, 11:01pm

>423 Lady19thC:

If the books are indeed irretrievably gone, and if Folio Society and FedEx can't help, perhaps you can report the loss to your credit card...they may already be insuring your purchases on their own and can reimburse you. Many do, now.

426ironjaw
Edited: Nov 13, 2019, 7:00am

And if you have evidence to prove that fedex has delivered to a wrong address raise a civil claim against them for the value. That’ll get them moving as it’ll get passed down to the driver who probably is a contractor driver and won’t do it again

427Lady19thC
Nov 13, 2019, 10:52am

Update! Folio Society emailed me whilst I was sleeping due to the time difference.

They were able to track exactly where the boxes went and admit they are as baffled as I am as to why the address on both orders kept my name but generated a completely different address, town and zip code, none that are even remotely similar to mine. FS has sent out replacement orders for both via a different carrier and express delivery. I am so hoping they will make it here for my birthday and in perfect condition. These books are not cheap!!

I also hope they are able to retrieve the other 2 boxes and have those returned to them. This is the most bizarre incident I have ever had in ordering anything, be it in country or across the pond.

I'll let everyone know when they arrive!

428coynedj
Nov 13, 2019, 10:59am

>427 Lady19thC: Excellent news indeed! FS customer service comes through again.

429RATBAG.
Nov 13, 2019, 12:20pm

>427 Lady19thC: Great news! I'm glad to hear this.

Folio always come through. :)

430sdawson
Nov 13, 2019, 7:52pm

My Christmas selection arrived. I kindof miss the old white sacks, but 5 books arrived in fine shape all the way to Oregon, USA.

Thanks Jurga for the great packaging.

The Dispossessed
True Grit
Live and Let Die
Working
Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
and
Diary 2020 + 2020 Magazine.

431hamletscamaro
Nov 13, 2019, 10:53pm

My Texas bound order finally made it today as well. A slightly larger order than normal, some from the Christmas collection and a few from my wish list.

Live and Let Die
Alice in Wonderland
How to See Fairies
The Anglo Saxons
The Bayeux Tapestry
The Red House Mystery
British Library Crime Classics (6 book collection)

A decent haul that will keep me reading for a bit.

432coynedj
Nov 14, 2019, 3:32pm

My Box of Delights arrived yesterday, and it certainly was filled with delights, expertly packed by Erika. Despite my reservations about A Hero Born given the notes on this thread about the cover, I didn't find it to be as bad as feared. Not my ideal choice, but I tend to be rather accomodative of small annoyances - I'm on public record as welcoming Emily Jones, after all.

As for the others, Kindred, True Grit, and Oryx and Crake are splendid-looking volumes that I'm looking forward to reading. Montaigne's Essays and Marco Polo's Travels both go beyond the splendid and I can now see why they're held in such high regard. My favorite might be The Diversity of Life, which is not only copiously illustrated but it also is focused on a message that I am in strong agreement with (confirmation bias is a powerful thing). I am very happy with my purchases.

433Lady19thC
Nov 15, 2019, 12:27pm

They have arrived!!! Folio Society sent both my replacement packages via DHL Express and they have arrived, safe and sound in just 2 days! If this is the express service they offer on their website I am going to use it in the future! Packed very nicely by Erika and Bela, they all look perfectly fine and now I will have books for Christmas and my birthday! Yay! I am so happy! Thank you Folio Society!!

434Mr.Fox
Nov 15, 2019, 1:22pm

Glad they got everything sorted out for you, and so quickly! Enjoy your books.

435RATBAG.
Nov 15, 2019, 2:29pm

>433 Lady19thC: Congrats! Happy days. :)

436vmb443
Nov 15, 2019, 2:49pm

>433 Lady19thC: DHL is what they use to express things to the US - they are incredibly fast and the boxes come looking as if they just got packed - for me, it’s well worth the extra cost but be assured if that’s what you do in the future you should be most pleased!

437Lady19thC
Nov 15, 2019, 3:02pm

>436 vmb443:

Yes, my husband and I were discussing it and we both agree that in the future it is the way to go! Plus you can see full tracking, which is fantastic!

438vmb443
Nov 15, 2019, 9:34pm

>437 Lady19thC: Also, not sure if you saw it on the DHL site but you can also release for delivery without a signature and you can change the delivery address in route which I have used twice now when the tracking (which is very accurate) indicates it would be better for me to have it delivered to work - maybe that’s a service that other shipping companies provide but I find that invaluable since it means I can have the delivery suited to my schedule rather than theirs - along with that you can easily change your delivery date if need be. I’m not an employee of DHL by the way :) just a big proponent of the express shipping option through them especially if you bundle your purchases together efficiently then the cost increase isn’t all that much per book.

439Lady19thC
Nov 15, 2019, 11:28pm

>438 vmb443:
I did notice that! Luckily, we are usually home when deliveries come. The husband works from home 99% of the time, I work from home 100% of the time. Both our offices face the front of the house and look out windows, so we can see regular mail, UPS, FedEx, neigbhours walking the dogs, kids coming home from the bus, deer sauntering by! It is a quiet, dead end, small intimate and private way. No one comes in here to steal. Everyone is watching. lol They would be idiots to try. So no reason to change the address. We often meet them at the door before they even drop it on the ground or walk away! And they know that and are familiar with us being here. We have lived here for 27 1/2 years. Nothing has ever been touched or stolen from our yard or mailbox or front steps. Not a pumpkin, not a package. Let's hope it always remains so.

440NLNils
Nov 19, 2019, 9:38am

>415 folio_books:

Thanks for the rescanning of the prospectus. I downloaded the new one and it is legible for me now.

441folio_books
Nov 19, 2019, 11:11am

>440 NLNils:

Glad to hear it. Thanks for letting me know.

442davelin
Edited: Nov 20, 2019, 10:50am

My order of five books (three from the Christmas collection, two from my wish list) arrived a short one week period after ordering (I live in the US for whatever it's worth). There was a small hole in the side of the box that probably occurred during transit but thankfully it didn't impact the precious contents inside.

I've started Howl's Moving Castle and finding it delightful so far. Here's to the enjoyment of reading for the rest of the year and awaiting what new surprises Folio has in store for 2020.

443withawhy99
Nov 21, 2019, 9:54am

Review of Howl's Moving Castle on my blog:
https://emeraldcitybookreview.com/2019/11/a-wish-come-true-howls-moving-castle.h...

I am so happy to see so many orders for this book and hope that Folio will publish more DWJ with that encouragement!

Any other fans, what titles would you pick?

444overthemoon
Nov 21, 2019, 11:21am

>443 withawhy99: good review; I'd alsohave liked more illustrations, six was not enough!

445adriano77
Nov 22, 2019, 4:30pm

Figured I'd put this here...

PXMSUC - $7 CAD discount voucher that came with some brochure today.

Small amount but can't hurt, I guess?

446Willoyd
Nov 22, 2019, 5:39pm

>443 withawhy99:
I am so happy to see so many orders for this book and hope that Folio will publish more DWJ with that encouragement!
I regard DWJ as one of the greats of children's authors, but children in my (primary) school barely ever read (past not present, as I've now retired) her, and I found the same talking to other teachers. I suspect she was one victim of the growing immaturity in reading that seems to have crept in in recent years.

Any other fans, what titles would you pick?
Probably the Chrestomanci series

447withawhy99
Nov 25, 2019, 2:14am

>446 Willoyd:

I know what you mean (I'm a former teacher too.) Maybe she should be remarketed as an adult writer? Or could we just relinquish these limiting labels? Drives me crazy.

The Chrestomanci series would be another dream come true.

448Willoyd
Nov 25, 2019, 4:27am

>447 withawhy99:
Sometimes the label make sense, but, as on this occasion, very often it seems to box an author or book in. In particular, it all too often seems that a book written about children is then classified as a book for children (Lord of the Flies jumps to mind immediately).

449Jason461
Nov 25, 2019, 6:56pm

>448 Willoyd:

Also worth noting that children's lit more than any other type, is going to be subject to the linguistic and cultural conventions of the time. Kids haven't had enough time to take in sufficient history and linguistic diversity to read a lot of traditional children's lit without substantial struggle. That's nothing to do with "immaturity" as you put it in an earlier comment. So children's stories, with time, naturally become the territory of adults who can fully read and understand them and perhaps take an additional cultural interest that kids haven't had time to develop yet.

450dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 25, 2019, 7:28pm

>397 Sorion:
>400 Dr.Fiddy:

Add my name to the roster of FSD-ers who have acquired the new edition of Montaigne Essays and have nothing but praise for it. Beautifully designed by FS with all edges gilt, silk ribbon marker, quality one-quarter morocco and cloth binding with elaborate gilt design on the covers which is repeated on the pastedowns and endplates. The use of contrasting red for the page numbers, chapter titles, initial letters and first few words of each chapter is elegant, all expertly crafted at Kösel, Krugzell, Germany. Do not pass on this one.

As a bonus, I also received a copy of The Travels of Marco Polo from a private bookseller and it is equally impressive, clearly a book in the FS 'Sweet Spot'. Aside from their beautiful design and craftsmanship, these books share one other very important feature. They each have new (or relatively new) translations which are head and shoulders better than prior translations, becoming the gold standard (especially the Screech translation of Montaigne's Essays) for modern readers who want clarity in their translations without dumbing-down the material.

451Dr.Fiddy
Edited: Nov 26, 2019, 6:31am

>450 dlphcoracl:

Also, Montaigne's Essays and The Travels of Marco Polo look great next to each other in the bookshelf :-)
Two fine editions indeed!

452gmacaree
Nov 26, 2019, 10:33am

>450 dlphcoracl: Have you read the new Polo yet? How does the translation compare?

453dlphcoracl
Nov 27, 2019, 5:25pm

>452 gmacaree:

Hi, Graham:

I cannot compare the FS Marco Polo to other translations because I have not read it before. That said, I have read the Prologue and Chapter One in this FS edition and the translation is everything I had hoped for in a modern translation. It is literate and well-written, easily comprehensible without struggling over antiquated language, yet still gives the reader a sense that Marco Polo is addressing him or her, drawing one into the book. Frankly, no need to go any further and explore older translations - Marco Polo is not Geoffrey Chaucer or Edmund Spenser - he was a traveller and adventurer, not a poet.

The book itself is nicely crafted, tight and meticulously finished. The colourful miniature illustrations from the Duc de Berry are nicely reproduced. The printing (on a pleasing paper called Arctic Volume White) and binding were done by the C&C Offset Printing Co., Ltd. in Hong Kong (China) and it is up to the standard of other books in the FS 'Sweet Spot'.

I have little doubt this is a book you would appreciate adding to your collection.

454terebinth
Nov 28, 2019, 4:28am

>452 gmacaree:

Not for the first time lately, I've fallen prey here to unintended enablement. I hadn't given the Folio Marco Polo a thought, but, with my curiosity raised as to early translations, I located John Frampton's version of 1579:

https://archive.org/details/mostnoblefamoust00polo/page/15

Half an hour's reading later, I had placed an order for this 1937 reprint. No need for me to look at the Folio translation, I know it would have all the allure to me of nylon bedsheets and thin white slices of bread.

455fishthing
Nov 28, 2019, 5:25am

>453 dlphcoracl: : "The book itself is nicely crafted, tight and meticulously finished. The colourful miniature illustrations from the Duc de Berry are nicely reproduced. The printing (on a pleasing paper called Arctic Volume White) and binding were done by the C&C Offset Printing Co., Ltd. in Hong Kong (China) and it is up to the standard of other books in the FS 'Sweet Spot'."

cf

https://www.librarything.com/topic/271581#6412361

68 dlphcoracl :If you cannot tell the difference between FS books printed and bound in Germany (usually the Memminger and Lachenmaier duo), e.g., The Vision of Piers Plowman, Dune, the Master and Margherita, Folio 60, Andrew Lang's 'Red Fairy Book', Beowulf, Leaves of Grass (the FS 2009 edition), etc. from those made in China, then you needn't concern yourself with any of this. For those of us who DO note and appreciate the difference, the Folio Society decision to increasingly source their books in China is a step in the wrong direction.

456dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 28, 2019, 7:52am

>455 fishthing:

I call 'em as I see 'em.

The C&C Offset Printing Co., Ltd. in Hong Kong has a long history of fine printing and was formed by merging two highly regarded printing firms - the Chung Hwa Book Co. and The Commercial Press - both with over one hundred years experience. I own numerous FS books printed and bound by the German Memminger and Lachenmaier duo and this one compares favorably. Frankly, I was quite surprised, pleasantly so, but if you put Marco Polo on a table alongside several of the Memminger/Lachenmaier FS books I believe most FSD-ers would have difficulty discerning a difference. I certainly do not mind changing or modifying an opinion if the evidence warrants it.

457dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 28, 2019, 9:18am

>454 terebinth:

Different strokes for different folks.

The edition you have referenced and purchased, the Elizabethan translation by John Frampton in the 1937 edition published by Adam and Charles Black (London) is precisely what I am talking about. It is overly wordy, laborious to read, does not use modern English, i.e., using a form of "S" that looks like an "F", unnecessarily adding "e" to every other word, spelling "been" as "bin", using "u" for "v", etc., and convoluted sentence structures. If this sort of thing floats your boat, god bless.

The point of a translation is to make a classic work comprehensible, entertaining and, most of all, accessible to readers of modern 21st century English. The 1937 edition you reference is not poetical, it is simply a pain in the ass to read - unnecessarily so, I might add. It is less a matter of "nylon bedsheets and thin slices of white bread" than a matter of common sense and modern sensibilities.

To illustrate the point, I have attached the identical page below (1st page of the Prologue) that >454 terebinth: has provided a link to in the 1937 edition with Frampton's 1579 translation. FSD-ers can easily decide which one is their reading preference.

458terebinth
Nov 28, 2019, 9:09am

>457 dlphcoracl:

What can I say? You tell me the translation is laborious to read, I read it for half an hour, ceasing only because a screen isn't my favourite medium for reading, and found it entertaining, compelling, and no more a labour to read than today's newspaper. No, it isn't poetical, but its language is at much less of a remove from the world in which the author had his being than is our own.

I could read the new translation, I do read new translations when requiring the gist of a text, but I can well do without 21st century language, which has evolved to suit our somewhat different purposes, interposing itself between me and a 13th century work. Evidently you don't find that experience a jarring one: so be it. I am a little goaded sometimes by your persistent bald statements of superiority for the reading experiences you prefer, when my own experience finds them wanting: and I'm puzzled that non-standardised spellings seem to pose a significant and enduring impediment to your enjoyment of a text.

Well, we'll doubtless continue to differ, but I see no need to belittle each other's positions. My impression is that readers of 21st century English are generally the poorer for not becoming familiar and comfortable with 19th, 18th, yes, even 16th century English, and not just with those centuries' poetry, which did not exist in a cultural vacuum. "Common sense" seems to me only clearly to prescribe new translations for such cases as that of a student who requires to absorb the factual content of a work with an absolute minimum of effort.

459dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 28, 2019, 9:21am

>458 terebinth:

And you think MY comments are arrogant? Pot, meet kettle.

460terebinth
Nov 28, 2019, 11:34am

>459 dlphcoracl:

This is getting surreal. I'm open about what I find rewarding and what I don't. What the hell am I supposed to have said that betokens arrogance?

461SF-72
Nov 28, 2019, 11:43am

I must say that I too vastly prefer the page from FS to the other edition, not just for the language but for the way it's printed, as in an s that doesn't look like an f etc. There's often no way around this when it comes to 19th century German books that have never been republished, but I really don't want to put up with it when I can avoid it.

462MobyRichard
Edited: Nov 28, 2019, 3:36pm

>455 fishthing:

Lol...do we have to bring this up in every thread? There is a huge difference between the cheap crap certain Asian countries sell to the West (and which the West demands) and what those countries are capable of producing. China in particular now has an enormous domestic luxury market. There is nothing inherently superior about German manufacturing. They just target different markets.

463Fierylunar
Edited: Nov 28, 2019, 3:59pm

>462 MobyRichard: I believe >455 fishthing: was just pointing dlphcoracl to his previous opinion in the tiresome anti-China thread from last year, which he has adjusted after seeing the Marco Polo (>458 terebinth: "I certainly do not mind changing or modifying an opinion if the evidence warrants it.").

The translator argument always amuses me. During lectures on literary science at university, I learned a lot on translating and the value/risk of reading a translator. Basically, you're always the third reader (author - translator - you) instead of the second (author - you) and you are reading the original through the glasses of the translator. When there is a large time gap between the primary text written by the author and you reading it, this is made more difficult: you have to try to understand and take into account both the author's and the translator's culture, time and background.

I've talked about this before here. Standplaatsgebondenheid makes it way more difficult to experience the novel as the author wrote it. You cannot imagine Marco Polo understanding our current world, and it would be quite hard to understand and take into account his while reading his book (put on his glasses, to stay in the metaphore). When you use a translator from your own time, at least the standplaats - the starting point, if you like - is sort of the same, and it is easier for you to understand what the translator is doing: you both wear similar glasses. Using older translations, there are still three seperate readings (the author's - the translator's - your own) as well as three widely varying circumstances (glasses) in which it was being read (in this case: late 13th century Italy - 16th century England/Spain - wherever you are now in the 21st century).

As long as you are comfortable with the second period and culture (be it now or 500 years ago), you're comfortable enough with that translation and are 'closest' to the original text. Just be aware of the translation's/translator's strong and weak points, and the fact that actually reading the book in the author's own words is the closest one can get to the original work - even though we're still quite removed from that original reading by the author and his intended audience.

Long story short: the author is long dead and we might as well make the best of it while reading his work. What 'best' means here is deeply personal and no cause for an argument (though interesting to debate).

464Czernobog
Edited: Nov 28, 2019, 4:55pm

>463 Fierylunar: I learned something new today, thanks!

I have no plans to read The Travels of Marco Polo but I do want to add to the discussion that Nigel Cliff "went back to the early Old French, Italian and Latin texts" according to the FS website, whereas John Frampton (1579) translated from Santaella's Castilian translation of 1503 (one additional "standplaats" and potential source of errors).

465terebinth
Nov 29, 2019, 4:35am

>463 Fierylunar:

Thank you from me too: some light rather than heat was definitely needed here!

Yes, the translator is an intermediary, with his or her own sensibility, perspectives and linguistic habits and capabilities: a necessary intermediary for anyone wishing some sort of access to a work without going straight to the original text, with all that that implies. How serviceable a particular translator may be as intermediary is indeed a deeply personal matter. I probably shouldn't bother bridling inwardly, but I do, a little, when a translation I couldn't willingly live with is pronounced to be the best, the obvious choice, etc..

Thinking about my own requirements, shortcomings if you like, as a reader, I think hardly anything so bars me from continuous, willing and engaged attention to a text, as having the words of an author from a very different time and place translated into the language of our own day. Responses and experiences that no 21st century person would have, are there, equally responses and experiences that any 21st century person might have are dependably not there, and the result, to me, is stubbornly indigestable, an authorial voice disbelief toward which I can never long suspend. That isn't nearly such a problem with, say, lyric or epigram - many a poem of Sappho or Catullus relates feelings or thoughts not strikingly alien to our own lives. When, though, I'm not just in search of a particular crib, my Ovid of choice is Golding, my Homer Chapman, Pope or Cowper, my Virgil Gavin Douglas or godhelpus Richard Stanyhurst (who could hardly be less Virgilian, but at least he's Stanyhurst). I'm sure my preferences, and the responses that underlie them, aren't the most popular, but neither are they unique, or, so far as I can see, contrary to "common sense".

466TheLoiterer
Nov 29, 2019, 6:03am

What an excellent post, terebinth. I agree with every word.

So much of today's media discourse which is intended to be fashionable and bang-up to date may well seem very dated in just a just few years' time.

We call certain books and translations 'classic' because they have stood the test of time - sometimes centuries.

467elladan0891
Dec 2, 2019, 1:58pm

>465 terebinth:
Interesting, although I don't think I follow the logic. I could certainly understand if one said unapologetically: "I love Pope's pretty couplets and dash it all!" But to complain about modern translations because they are "from a very different time and place" and transform the original into "the language of our own day", necessarily injecting modern responses and experiences alien to the original (debatable point in my view, btw), and then.... saying that the Homer of choice is Pope????? Is there any other translation out there removed as far from Homer's original and screaming as much of the language, experiences, responses, and fads of its own time than Pope's?

In my opinion, this is the very problem with many an old translation - too much of their own times, sensibilities, ideology and customs is injected, along with numerous inaccuracies and errors. And, thankfully, idiotic bowdlerization seems to be the thing of the /in/glorious past. Blanket assumption that because someone lived closer to a given period they knew more about it is wrong. Diverging from translations but still staying in the realm of books, medieval illustrations come to mind, where Roman legionnaires in Judea look like 15th century knights camping around 15th century French castles. The reverse is also true, of course. Older translators might catch some period details that are alien to the modern folk.

I could understand a preference for translations made by authors' contemporaries, but preferring old translations removed in time from the originals just for the sake of them being old makes no sense to me - they might sound old, but different and wrong kind of old. And I can't agree with the claim that any modern translation of an older work must necessarily be nylon bed sheets and sliced wonderbread, which implies that all modern writers and translators are/were talentless hacks churning out nothing but cookie-cutter junk.

Again, tastes are different, and I can certainly understand when someone finds old language charming and all. Sure, why not? I just can't agree with the notion that older translations are always closer and truer to the originals simply by virtue of being older, and that everything modern is rubbish.

468NLNils
Dec 2, 2019, 3:39pm

>467 elladan0891: I like your opinion.

469terebinth
Dec 2, 2019, 4:10pm

>467 elladan0891:

Nor, regarding your last point, can I. Scholarship has advanced, and has its value. Going back to your first paragraph, though, you seem to be reading me as saying exactly what I didn't. It's the very absence of "modern responses and experiences" from a newly translated text - absent because they are absent from the original work - that turns me away as reader. The present is where we live, and I'm holding my hands up to admit that, for this reader at least, the experience of reading a sensibility at a considerable remove from our own day squeezed into the language of our own day, much of which is redundant for the purposes of the work, is, generally, continually alienating.

I certainly wouldn't commend Pope's Homer as especially Homeric, though H. A. Mason, "To Homer through Pope", makes an interesting case for its use. It is at least Pope, which is no small merit. I gave a few months many years ago to sitting at a desk with a text of the Iliad, a lexicon and a grammar, not altogether unrewarding, but I suppose I concluded that my life wasn't long enough and/or my linguistic aptitude great enough to warrant pursuing the matter much further. Nobody, I hope, would seek counsel from such a failed student, but for myself I continue ready to read translations and background writings that engage me. Some manner of shadowy composite Homer emerges from the process, and satisfies me according to my deserts.

There are of course no translations of classical authors into the English of their near-contemporaries, and it's when translations by near-contemporaries are available that there can be a particular translucency, when there's a measure of particular correspondence between the inward and material life of the author and the manner of inward and material lives the translator's language has evolved to contain or represent.

470elladan0891
Dec 2, 2019, 5:08pm

>469 terebinth:
I see, I misread. Then my statement stands on its own as a criticism of many old translations. Back to your point - very, very interesting. I don't think I've encountered this view before. I don't experience the same, but as it's a personal approach, I have nothing to say against it. If your personal sense of harmony outweighs other considerations like possibly better accuracy etc. - you know what's better for you.

I can only say that I still don't see how translations intermediate in time help with the issue. As in the previous post, I see how contemporary translations solve it, but I fail to see how translations of the like of Pope, also removed in time, place and culture from the original, are different from modern translations in that regard: it's the same "experience of reading a sensibility at a considerable remove from" Pope's/Cowper's/etc. "day squeezed into the language of" Pope's/Cowper's/etc. day, is it not?

"It is at least Pope, which is no small merit"

No disagreement here

471LolaWalser
Dec 2, 2019, 5:46pm

I find dlphcorcl's and terebinth's positions both meritorious (and personally familiar) and more different than conflictual (until, say, the need to make a specific recommendation--if one had to make a single choice). Fierylunar's fine post explains the essential relativism of all translations.

I would only add to remember the extra-textual dimensions to our preferences in translation. On that point:

>469 terebinth:

I'm holding my hands up to admit that, for this reader at least, the experience of reading a sensibility at a considerable remove from our own day squeezed into the language of our own day, much of which is redundant for the purposes of the work, is, generally, continually alienating.

I find this remarkable, as I would expect the reverse to be true for most people, but it does make me wonder if you aren't after some, so to speak, Gestalt-experience of a time past. Sort of (I hope the analogy doesn't trivialise too much) how one might enjoy fine China tea especially if served in fine Chinese porcelain, and less in a (shudder) plastic cup. One seeks not just the thing in itself--the text, the tea--but some more or less nebulous context in which it is fulfilled as in no other.

472terebinth
Edited: Dec 3, 2019, 6:02am

>470 elladan0891:, >471 LolaWalser:

I woke today thinking that my post above had been written too close to sleep to be wise, but it seems more or less to have worked, and thank you both for your generous interpretations of it.

In all honesty I hadn't given much thought at all to why I gravitate toward certain types of translations until obliged to notice, coming here, those I've found welcoming and rewarding often dismissed as archaic and laborious, with recommendations instead for others which I've found, or would confidently expect to find, quickly become a chore to read.

My first Homer was E. V. Rieu's prose version, and I can still take that up for a while if ever my care is to refresh my memory of some part of the Homeric story. I suppose it can't help for the purposes of reading some more recent translations that I'm generally fairly deaf to the merits of the dominant strains, i.e. the non-Cambridge/Black Mountain strains, of modern poetry.

Outside matters of versification, though, it occurs to me that there's perhaps an instructive parallel for my experience, and that of anyone else who may be similarly affected, in an anecdote Ezra Pound gives of the boxer Jack Dempsey. Asked for his response to a modern novel in which boxing featured, Dempsey couldn't abide the book: "Agh, it tain't LIKE that!". Observing Dempsey in possession of a novel about a Russian Grand Duke, his interviewer remarked that it might be similarly inaccurate in its portrayal of the Russian aristocracy, to which the boxer's retort was "I never wuz a Grand Duke". I can be wholly aware that a 16th century Englishman's version of a classical Latin or thirteenth century Spanish text is a representation mediated by a particular time, place and consciousness, not a direct, living utterance from that time, place and consciousness. What for me allows a fruitful and somewhat immersive relation to that version, still quite possibly is the very fact that I never wuz a 16th century Englishman.

473St._Troy
Dec 8, 2019, 5:14pm

>471 LolaWalser: “ Sort of...how one might enjoy fine China tea especially if served in fine Chinese porcelain, and less in a...plastic cup. One seeks not just the thing in itself--the text, the tea--but some more or less nebulous context in which it is fulfilled as in no other.”

Undoubtedly true; I think this general concept applies to multiple characteristics sought by bibliophiles in the books they buy.

474NLNils
Dec 12, 2019, 3:23pm

FS has run out of Howl’s Moving Castle. You can be put onto a mailer for when it comes back in stock. I guess customers like the total package after all.

475Cat_of_Ulthar
Dec 12, 2019, 3:44pm

>474 NLNils:

I for one liked it and bought it :-)

There have been many threads here about how quickly LEs have sold out: what's the fastest-selling non-LE? Do we know?

476Czernobog
Edited: Dec 12, 2019, 4:00pm

>475 Cat_of_Ulthar: " what's the fastest-selling non-LE? Do we know?"

I certainly don't, but my best guess is Game of Thrones judging by the amount of Trustpilot reviews (322 of 6521 or 5%). Howl’s Moving Castle has 58 reviews but probably a much smaller print run. Someone should ask FS.

477bookfair_e
Dec 12, 2019, 4:48pm

>475 Cat_of_Ulthar: what's the fastest-selling non-LE? Do we know?

Don't know if it was the fastest-selling - Dune sold out in about six weeks c 24th March 2015-7th May 2015.

478folio_books
Dec 13, 2019, 10:23am

>476 Czernobog: . Someone should ask FS.

So I did. (They don't bite, you know!)

"The answer is probably back in the Folio mists of time, though, when we sold a lot more books than we do now - and generally all on the 1st of September, when the Prospectus came out. It'll be something daft like The Folio Book of Humorous Anecdotes. The sort of thing that everybody added to their as the last 'cheapie' to make up their four books for the year."

Ah yes, we remember the good old days of one prospectus a year and considerably fewer new releases. Anonymous Source is very likely right to home in on the cheapies. It's what I did every year, blissfully unaware that everyone else was doing it, too.

"In recent times it probably is Dune, though Howl's (fast) Moving Castle will have definitely given that quite a run for its money."

The real difficulty with answering for modern times is that they're still in print and still selling, unlike LEs where we can be much more precise - 750 sold in 40 days, for example. But I think Anonymous Source is on the right track. I think being employed by Folio for a l-o-n-g time gives them a definite advantage over the rest of us,

479Czernobog
Dec 13, 2019, 11:34am

>476 Czernobog: "It'll be something daft like The Folio Book of Humorous Anecdotes."

That it would be something silly makes a lot of sense. Thanks very much for asking :-)

480folio_books
Edited: Dec 13, 2019, 1:04pm

>479 Czernobog: Thanks very much for asking

No worries. Didn't anyone else think "back in the Folio mists of time, though, when we sold a lot more books than we do now " was particularly interesting?

They sell less now, despite the omnichannel marketing and the rest of the paraphernalia? Just goes to show.

481terebinth
Dec 13, 2019, 2:06pm

>480 folio_books:
They sell less now...Just goes to show...

that the current generation of superannuated clergymen isn't a patch on its predecessors when it comes to providing a ready market of discriminating bibliophiles ;)

482Jayked
Dec 13, 2019, 3:16pm

>480 folio_books:
They certainly sell less to me now. My vote for fastest sellout goes to the original issue of Donne's Love Poems. If you didn't order ahead of publication you had to wait a year for the reprint, which I believe had slight differences. Back then the Metaphysicals were required reading because of the New Criticism.

483folio_books
Dec 13, 2019, 4:51pm

>482 Jayked:

That was a little before my time. I didn't pick it up until the reissue (1979).

484boldface
Dec 13, 2019, 9:46pm

It may not have been an actual seller, but the Folio Reader's Digest Award for Flying Off the Shelves First Class surely goes to Year Round Things To Do, all copies of which, if laid end to end, would easily stretch from one side of the Omniverse to the other.

485drasvola
Dec 14, 2019, 2:29am

>484 boldface:

Ha, ha, ha!

486LesMiserables
Dec 14, 2019, 3:34am

484

Perpetually humorous jokes aside, the YRTTD is, as you know, a gem.

I'm sorry I only have two or three of them.

487Cat_of_Ulthar
Dec 14, 2019, 1:38pm

>478 folio_books:

There's a lot to be said for the direct approach. Thanks for that - most enlightening :-)

488folio_books
Dec 14, 2019, 2:17pm

>487 Cat_of_Ulthar: Thanks for that - most enlightening

I thought so, too. And it really wasn't a trouble.

489adriano77
Dec 18, 2019, 12:47pm

Has anyone that took advantage of the free shipping promotion that expired December 3rd received their books yet? Particularly in Canada/US?

490kdweber
Dec 18, 2019, 1:23pm

>489 adriano77: Yes, just the other day I received my package of The Travels, Essays of Montaigne, and The Phantom of the Opera. I'm very happy with all three and they arrived with no damage. I live in California.

491adriano77
Dec 18, 2019, 1:58pm

>490 kdweber:

Ah, lucky. Still waiting here. Hate this Spanish shipping business. More than doubled my waits.

492kdweber
Dec 18, 2019, 2:13pm

>491 adriano77: My waits have improved slightly. More importantly, since Spain doesn't use the plastic sling bag, my books are arriving in good condition.

493adriano77
Dec 18, 2019, 2:57pm

>492 kdweber:

That's weird! I've actually seen an increase in mail sack usage. Previously, when RM handled things, they were reserved for larger boxes. Not so lately. At least for me.

494NLNils
Edited: Dec 18, 2019, 5:38pm

>489 adriano77: I received my book last Friday after exactly a two weeks wait. It used to be 7 days, but no more. It did arrive unscathed, which is also my biggest worry with the longer transit. The Mask Of Command is a good production, perfect cloth binding and the text breathes but not too much. On the bigger side, 10 x 63/4 inches, but it all works beautifully. The size is in series with the earlier Keegan, The Face Of Battle, which I also own. This is an author I would like to see much more from in FS garb. A unique style of writing which is very effective, informative and enlightening.

495adriano77
Dec 18, 2019, 10:31pm

>494 NLNils:

Both my orders are single volumes so I'm not really expecting any damage at least.

I'm definitely interested in both. Never got around to grabbing Face of Battle though sadly!

496Rowoon
Dec 19, 2019, 2:41am

I am currently trying to read The Phantom of the Opera but the whole book smells like oil paint solvents and/or spray paint fumes. I understand the cover is screenprinted but the cover smell is not bad. The smell is strongest when you OPEN the book to any page. It is really distracting when trying to read a beautiful story. I wonder if it's the binding glue they used? Does anybody else have this problem or is my book from a bad batch?

497SF-72
Dec 19, 2019, 4:35am

>496 Rowoon:

I've got the same problem. I tried to leave the book outside its slipcase for a while as suggested by other members here, but it still smells strongly.

498kdweber
Dec 19, 2019, 1:07pm

>496 Rowoon: >497 SF-72: Same problem here. I'm keeping my copy out of the slipcase and on a table to see if it will air out. If the bad smell is still there in a week, I think I'll try putting it in a box with activated charcoal. Currently it's not readable with this odor.

499Mr.Fox
Dec 19, 2019, 7:42pm

This was inevitable. The logical next step after glow-in-the-dark books is scratch-and-sniff books.

500Rowoon
Dec 20, 2019, 2:03am

>497 SF-72: >498 kdweber:

I emailed FS. They state that the inks used on the screenprinted cover are responsible for the smell. They also state the smell will diminish over time, and the "sooner" that will happen if the book is left out of the slipcase.

The smell is embedded into the pages so I am not sure if it will disappear. I'll continue airing the book out. I miss the smell of Abbey Wove paper.

501SF-72
Edited: Dec 20, 2019, 4:53pm

>500 Rowoon:

It seems to be the pages to me and not 'just' the cover. The smell gets worse when I look through the book or just move the pages a bit. In my case it's particularly unpleasant since my lungs are quite touchy and the book literally gives me trouble breathing. Hardly what you'd expect from Folio Society.

502treereader
Dec 20, 2019, 6:18pm

>501 SF-72:, >500 Rowoon:

Try asking Folio for a replacement. Maybe a different copy will be more mild.

503elladan0891
Dec 20, 2019, 11:33pm

I prefer my Folios medium.
Joking aside, you should try sealing the book in a container with baking soda for a week or so. Soda absorbs all kinds of smells very well.

504fishthing
Dec 21, 2019, 1:37am

Was it by any chance printed in China?

505bookfair_e
Dec 21, 2019, 2:13am

>504 fishthing: Was it by any chance printed in China?

No.

506bookfair_e
Dec 21, 2019, 2:13am

>504 fishthing: Was it by any chance printed in China?

No.

507fishthing
Dec 21, 2019, 3:59am

Ethiopia?

508SF-72
Dec 21, 2019, 7:28am

>504 fishthing:

It's printed in Germany by Kösel.