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Christmas Collection

Folio Society devotees

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1RATBAG.
Oct 1, 12:15am Top

What do you think they'll be releasing?

So far, we're expecting:

Bond
Howl's Moving Castle
Dracula LE
Working (Studs Terkel)

What else do you think there's in the mix? :)

2Sorion
Edited: Oct 1, 2:09am Top

>1 RATBAG.: Hoping for the final Hornblower release so I can start the series(I have read it before). Didn’t want to start till I had them all.

3Michael_Henchard
Oct 1, 2:39am Top

I think The Invisible Man was touted elsewhere.

When will the Christmas collection be released ?

4Fierylunar
Oct 1, 3:25am Top

Plenty of other suggestions here.

5vmb443
Oct 1, 6:05am Top

>2 Sorion: Somewhere on social media they said it will be coming in 2020.

6folio_books
Oct 1, 8:48am Top

>5 vmb443:

That was my understanding - in with the first batch in 2020, so maybe February.

7Mr.Fox
Oct 1, 1:15pm Top

>3 Michael_Henchard: Should be October 23rd.

8folio_books
Oct 1, 1:28pm Top

>7 Mr.Fox: Should be October 23rd.

That's the date they've already quoted for the Studs Terkel.

9Michael_Henchard
Oct 1, 1:35pm Top

10Sorion
Oct 1, 5:16pm Top

>5 vmb443: That's good to know thanks!

11LesMiserables
Oct 3, 2:56am Top

>1 RATBAG.:

In this present milieu I guess the following may well be possibilities...

- The Beano
- Margaret Atwood, The Testaments
- David Wallace-Wells, The Uninhabitable Earth

12bookfair_e
Oct 3, 7:58am Top

As a result of the WTO ruling re the long running Airbus/Boeing dispute, the US will be imposing tariffs on some goods from the EU from 20th October. Books are on the list of casualties, just in time for the release of Folio’s Christmas Collection.

13Levin40
Oct 3, 8:46am Top

>12 bookfair_e: ...which might only last up until 31st October if Boris Johnson gets his way. Though I'm not sure how Folio's strategy of dispatching from Spain might impact things. Interesting times...

14coynedj
Oct 3, 9:30am Top

I'm dealing with tariffs at work, and now I have to deal with them in my reading time as well! I'm growing tired of this.

15Emily_Jones51
Oct 3, 4:18pm Top

One could only hope they make Atwood's Testaments into a Folio edition, but alas, it's not possible right now. The book was just released in the regular market. Folio likely wouldn't get the rights to reproduce it for a few years, when it's past its life as a paperback.

But more Atwood please: Alias Grace!

16RATBAG.
Oct 3, 10:45pm Top

And in an unsurprising turn of events, October 23rd is - yes, you guessed it - a Wednesday.

17Emily_Jones51
Oct 3, 11:18pm Top

I guess they're also stopping their Dickens collection? Haven't made any new ones since the last set of 3 books

18Fierylunar
Oct 4, 3:49am Top

>17 Emily_Jones51: The three currently available are to the best of my knowledge his well known, most loved works. If even those don't sell too well, imagine how Dombey and Son would fare...

19terebinth
Oct 4, 4:06am Top

>18 Fierylunar:

Good point. Now if only Dickens VI - we may have to wait a few years of course - starts with Dombey and Son, there'll be grounds for a prospective Folio Dickens owner to take the project seriously. (Not me, I'm well content with Dickens I unless a fine set of III happens to fall into my lap).

20chrisrsprague
Oct 7, 11:19am Top

At this point, given rising prices, about the only book that would make me bite at full price is A Canticle for Leibowitz.

21clymbouris
Oct 7, 11:34am Top

^ I'd be willing to spend anywhere between 30 to 300/LE pounds for this; there's been a few prominent post-apocalyptic/dystopian releases the last few years so we can only hope.

Stand on Zanzibar would be a sweet surprise also; in any case I can't help with educated speculations so I'll put my wishlist back to the drawer.

22Mr.Fox
Oct 7, 9:24pm Top

I’d like to see The Pearl or Cannery Row.

23Sorion
Oct 8, 1:00am Top

>22 Mr.Fox: I love Cannery Row. That would be an excellent selection.

24HuxleyTheCat
Oct 8, 4:25am Top

>12 bookfair_e: Bound books are not included in the tariffs so fear not.

25folio_books
Oct 8, 4:49am Top

>24 HuxleyTheCat:

Huxley! Good to see you again.

26HuxleyTheCat
Oct 8, 5:39pm Top

>25 folio_books: Greetings Glenn.

27Willoyd
Oct 11, 5:45am Top

>18 Fierylunar:
The three currently available are to the best of my knowledge his well known, most loved works. If even those don't sell too well, imagine how Dombey and Son would fare...
It's almost inevitable they won't sell well: they've reproduced a narrow range of Dickens ad nauseam, so, apart from total newbies, it's a fully sated market, even more limited by the fact that many would only be interested if they could complete the set. I suspect they keep them on simply to satisfy the former. I would love to expand my collection of Folio Soc classics, but it's obviously an area they have virtually abandoned apart from (a) reprints or rehashes and (b) the occasional expensive doorstopper. TBH, I'm not interested in just buying the most mainsteam books either, I'm more interested in authors in depth ,and, aside from Josephine Tey ( :-) ), they seem to have abandoned that idea.

28folio_books
Oct 11, 5:51am Top

>27 Willoyd: I'm more interested in authors in depth ,and, aside from Josephine Tey ( :-) ),

Allow me to welcome you to the Josephine Tey fan club ;)

29wcarter
Oct 11, 5:56am Top

>27 Willoyd:
....and Dorothy Sayers?

30Jason461
Oct 11, 7:37pm Top

I just... I don't understand the continuing Dickens frustration. How many fine edition complete sets are out there? Demand can't possibly be that high. I like Dickens, but goodness, one needn't read all of his works to get the point. They just finished an Austin complete set and they've announced a completion of the Hornblower. And they've reissued some Hardy. I'd much rather they focus on some authors they've features less. There's lots of excellent literature out there they haven't touched. I don't need constant reissues of books they've already done.

31Chawton
Oct 12, 5:10am Top

Jane Austin...

Folio Society have not produced a complete set of Jane Austen's works in this particular edition.

Where are Sanditon, the Watsons, the juvenilia etc?

32Jason461
Oct 12, 9:17am Top

>31 Chawton:

Oh come on, there are only really six Austen novels. The rest is just people digging through her closets for whatever scraps they could find. This always happens with popular artists. Stuff they never meant to see the light of day gets trotted out and presented as as lost material.

33red_guy
Oct 12, 9:39am Top

....But a library without Lady Susan in it would be a dull one indeed.

34boldface
Oct 12, 11:03am Top

>31 Chawton:
>32 Jason461:

I've been reading Sanditon recently. What a sparkling story, bursting with wit, perhaps taking Jane Austen in new directions, and so frustrating that she didn't live to finish it. (Although, not as frustrating as being witness to Andrew Davies's boddice-ripping TV romp.)

35Willoyd
Edited: Oct 12, 11:05am Top

>31 Chawton:
Where are Sanditon, the Watsons, the juvenilia etc?
Which is one reason why I much prefer the rather less flamboyant earlier edition (although that statement also underlines another reason!).

>32 Jason461:
Oh come on, there are only really six Austen novels. The rest is just people digging through her closets for whatever scraps they could find.
Gve me Austen's scraps over most authors' masterpieces any day.

36Willoyd
Oct 12, 11:30am Top

>30 Jason461:
I just... I don't understand the continuing Dickens frustration.... I don't need constant reissues of books they've already done.
From my own perspective, I totally agree with you, but then I'm perfectly content with my complete, earlier, set. My frustrations are exactly what you say. Aside from the swathes of classic books that FS have never published, there are also many where they have perhaps done just one edition, many years ago, and another is long overdue, yet they keep repeating the same old rehashes (including Hardy and Austen). My own personal Holy Grail would be Zola's Rougon-Macquart sequence, but as they've only managed 3 Zola titles in over 70 years, I don't hold out much hope (LesMis will be equally, or even more, frustrated over Sir Walter Scott!).

>29 wcarter:
....and Dorothy Sayers?
Well, given the extent they went to, they could at least have published the complete set of her Wimsey novels. It seems silly to have missed out just two of the eleven. For some reason, I don't have so much of a problem with DS - I think because they just did her novels as two one-off sets. Of course, it might also be because I enjoy them too!

37treereader
Oct 12, 12:10pm Top

There is always going to be a fresh generation of young readers coming into disposable income for the first time, looking for nice or fine copies of these classics. Likewise, there will always be folks looking to upgrade from incomplete or less nice to complete and nicer sets. So yes, there will always be some demand but unfortunately, the size of that demand isn't even close to the critical volume needed for Folio (or anyone else) to justify re-publishing complete sets, redesigned or not. But Folio's half-hearted efforts, where they issue 3-4 books and no more, are surely frustrating to all - they're just empty promises.

What would it take to convince Folio to complete sets of classics, whether they be Dickens, Hardy, or Sir Walter Scott? Positive response to higher prices? A petition? A hostile business takeover? A public shaming? Just curious...

38Jayked
Oct 12, 1:32pm Top

They did do a complete Hardy not that long ago in publisher's terms -- recently enough that many "members" own it -- and Hardy doesn't seem to be fashionable right now. Poor Scott never seems to be, despite his huge earlier reputation all over Europe. Pops up in Balzac, and was one of the models tried and discarded by Buvard and Pécuchet. Most readers aren't going to get past the ponderous style he adopted to show that novel-writing could be a respectable trade.

39Willoyd
Edited: Oct 14, 4:46pm Top

I said my holy grail would be a complete round of the Rougon-Macquart series, but I'd be happy just to see a few more classics outside the FS standard rehashes/reprints. Pops up in Balzac He's another whose work seems to have largely passed FS by.

40folio_books
Oct 15, 2:30pm Top

Assuming the Christmas Collection is set for release next Wednesday, October 23, Folio seem to be delaying the usual (irritating) routine of teaser pictures and so forth on social media. With a week to go would they not usually have started that malarkey already? Or are they taking notice of the feedback they've been getting? Or are they waiting for Halloween? Questions, questions.

41Alendor
Oct 15, 2:40pm Top

They usually start a week before so tomorrow...

42gmacaree
Oct 15, 2:50pm Top

>40 folio_books: You're such a grinch, Glenn! I think the teasers are harmless fun :)

43folio_books
Edited: Oct 15, 2:56pm Top

>42 gmacaree:

When did I ever claim not to be a grinch? My intense dislike of them most probably stems from the fact I'm utterly hopeless at guessing what they are. But I'm not the only one here who has expressed a less-than-favourable opinion. Think of it as a rallying call to grinches.

>41They usually start a week before so tomorrow...

... watch avidly. Or not ...

Edited punctuation.

44Emily_Jones51
Oct 15, 2:58pm Top

Hey all, I read on social media somewhere that Folio is releasing "a classic horror of sorts". what could this mean? I'm betting on Ichabod Crane and Sleepy Hallow.

45Fierylunar
Oct 15, 3:40pm Top

>42 gmacaree: I believe roughly a billion people hoping for Watership Down after the bunny sneak peak beg to differ. All jokes aside, they do get some sense of hype for the release going.

46Neil77
Oct 15, 4:05pm Top

I think that's the Dracula.

47Mr.Fox
Oct 15, 9:01pm Top

Hoping for a preview photo tomorrow, with the release a week later.

48clymbouris
Edited: Oct 16, 6:15am Top

I see 3 new titles appeared.

I don't want to be the first spoil it for anyone, just click on "Fiction"

EDIT: Hmm.. maybe I was misled as one of the titles shows published "1999" on title page. Maybe someone can verify.

49SolerSystem
Oct 16, 6:49am Top

Wow, really thought that was gonna be one of the last Bond books. I'm glad it's not though, the remaining books in the series were all kind of meh.

50FitzJames
Oct 16, 7:18am Top

Gosh, one of those volumes is superb to see in a standard edition!

51SolerSystem
Edited: Oct 16, 7:53am Top

First teaser is up

52gmacaree
Oct 16, 7:59am Top

Some intriguing stuff here!

53clymbouris
Oct 16, 8:04am Top

>51 SolerSystem: wow that's a lot of books!

54Emily_Jones51
Oct 16, 8:08am Top

THEY'RE RE-RELEASING THE FAIRY BOOKS BY ANDREW LANG!!!! BLUE FAIRY TALE BOOK IS UP FOR SALE!!!! WHOOOOOO!!!!!

DON'T BUY ANY MORE BOOKS FROM THE FAIRY BOOK HAWKERS ONLINE AT RIDICULOUS PRICES. I LOVE YOU FOLIO!

55cronshaw
Edited: Oct 16, 8:25am Top

>48 clymbouris: allow me. Sixth from the bottom: Alice in Wonderland illustrated by Charles van Sandwyk as a regular edition, just as happened with Wind in the Willows. Fabulous for everyone who wanted a more affordable and readable version!

56RRCBS
Oct 16, 8:11am Top

The new Alice looks beautiful...I have the older box set but might pick up this one if it ever goes on sale...definitely getting the new Bond, looking forward to seeing what else is coming!

57treereader
Oct 16, 8:22am Top

>53 clymbouris:

...which makes sense when the last release was a couple books shy of normal.

58cronshaw
Oct 16, 8:29am Top

>40 folio_books: I hope you're not grinching excessively, Glenn. Any idea what the intriguing volume fifth from the bottom might be? :)

59cronshaw
Oct 16, 8:32am Top

Catcher in the Rye?

60Mooch360
Oct 16, 9:05am Top

Books 5-7 are hornblower maybe?

61RATBAG.
Oct 16, 9:06am Top

I really do hope they publish more Italo Calvino.

62folio_books
Oct 16, 9:11am Top

>58 cronshaw: I hope you're not grinching excessively, Glenn. Any idea what the intriguing volume fifth from the bottom might be? :)

Of course not - I can never guess from these glimpses. But no excessive grinching, so far. This looks like it's going to be an expensive collection for me, unless half of them are reprints, like the Arabian Nights. Quite surprised to see the new Bond is Live and Let Die because that breaks their sequence, unless it's meant to be the last. Giving up on the last few dubious titles? If I was expecting a complete set I'd be disappointed if they did that.

They've made a wonderful job of the "new" Alice, if the binding is anything to go by. Like Wind in the Willows, a lovely consolation for those who missed out on the LE.

And do we know for absolute certain that the Blue Fairy Book is the first of a repeated series? Nice if true but I remain to be convinced. Someone just paid over £1700 for a complete set on eBay. Ooops.

There's some hefty tomes in there (=expensive) including at least one 2 volume set.

>59 cronshaw: Catcher in the Rye?

Please God, no.

Now to wait for someone to tell me what they all are, whereupon I can give further consideration to the collection as a whole. But very promising, at least.

63NLNils
Oct 16, 9:20am Top

There are two bricks worthy of the most prestigious TBR mountains. No idea what they are. I am intrigued by the colored edge design of the fifth book from the bottom. Coupled with at least partially lime green covers, it could be wild! I’m interested in the last Hornblower set. I expected four books so to include Hornblower And The Crisis, The eleventh and final unfinished installment. Could it have been integrated into the last complete book? I’m not sure of the pagination, if it’s even a possibility to do so. It would add to the appeal, as you would have a true complete series.

64folio_books
Oct 16, 9:20am Top

>60 Mooch360:

Hornblower was slated for release early next year. Besides which ...

Oh, wait. The fat one (10 down) is presumably "Working"?

65Emily_Jones51
Oct 16, 9:21am Top

folio_books AHAHAHAHA "Someone paid 1700 GBP on Ebay - oops!" You are amazing! The hawkers must be sooo upset right now!

Btw, the Blue Fairy Book is up for sale now on the website.

So, everyone, here's what's confirmed (either on sale online or through the pics)

1. Howl's Moving Castle
2. Marvel
3. Blue Fair Book
4. Alice in Wonderland
5. Arabian Nights
6. Working
7. Bond
8. Unnamed Gothic novel

-- Any idea what the tattooed side book is?

66wongie
Oct 16, 9:32am Top

I didn't know some were already on sale and was giving my head a serious scratch trying to figure out why all the praise for how wonderful the Alice edition looks when all I can see is red edging.

68c_schelle
Oct 16, 9:58am Top

Here are the links to books I already found on the website:
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/the-blue-fairy-book.html
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/the-arabian-nights.html
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/live-and-let-die.html
https://www.foliosociety.com/row/working.html

I like the reprint of the blue fairy book (although I already bought it used) and hope for the rerelease of the others as well. The same is true for arabian nights. As I intend to complete my Bond books Live and Let Die will be ordered. I'm still pondering Alic as a gift for a dear friend. I hope there are some interesting titles still to be revealed.

69Fierylunar
Oct 16, 9:59am Top

The Alice is excellent news indeed, and I will be getting that when the rest of the new books are announced. Curious thing: when I open the page for Alice, it briefly states "DO NOT ORDER" (sic) in the browser tab. I wonder what that is about...

Regarding the Andrew Lang Fairy books: Why restart at Blue? It has been readily available through FS plenty of times, it's been in sales to clear stock as well, and the second hand market is not too bad. Why not start with the real trouble makers (i.e.: Olive, Orange, Gray, and Crimson)?

70FitzJames
Oct 16, 10:02am Top

I noticed that in the tab title too! When I rechecked later it was gone.

71c_schelle
Oct 16, 10:03am Top

>69 Fierylunar: I can't find a reason for that too. If it was one of the books you mentioned they would be in my cart by now to be ordered next week.

Does anyone know when the £20 off when buying for £150 ends?

72const-char-star
Oct 16, 10:11am Top

>71 c_schelle: I received an email stating the autumn discount ends tomorrow.

73NLNils
Oct 16, 10:11am Top

74boldface
Oct 16, 10:15am Top

I am pleased to see in the description of Alice in Wonderland that "This new edition includes many of the same extravagant design details as the limited edition, plus a series of wonderful, newly coloured illustrations." (My italics.)

So, this is similar to the relationship between the standard and LE versions of Wind in the Willows and means that it does add value to add this to your collection even if you already have the LE.

75bookfair_e
Oct 16, 10:19am Top

>71 c_schelle: Does anyone know when the £20 off when buying for £150 ends?

*Terms and conditions apply. Excludes the cost of postage, and the purchase of Marvel: The Golden Age 1939–1949 and Limited Editions. Offer ends midnight (UK time) Thursday 17 October 2019.

76terebinth
Oct 16, 10:31am Top

>69 Fierylunar: Why not start with the real trouble makers (i.e.: Olive, Orange, Gray, and Crimson)?

We've all seen the prices those have changed hands for, but it doesn't take many people desperate to buy an out of print short-run book to sustain such prices when the odd copy hits the market. Probably not enough people in this case, I'd guess, to balance the more mainstream appeal of the Blue and the hoped-for numbers of new casual buyers getting acquainted with and/or being drawn in by the work of Charles Sandwyk. I doubt the more sought-after Fairy Books will reappear unless and until all the others have been reprinted with adequate sales figures along the way.

77sdawson
Oct 16, 11:16am Top

>76 terebinth:,

I agree, the Blue Fairy is not that difficult to find on the secondary market. Odd choice, unless they are planning on a complete reprint of the entire series, which would also be odd.

Anyway, I have managed to put three books into my wish list (Alice in Wonderland, Live and Let Die, and Kavalier and Clay). Am pondering if I should wait til closer to Christmas, or take the discount today, which would cover the shipping costs.

-Shawn

78Fierylunar
Oct 16, 11:56am Top

>76 terebinth: unless and until all the others have been reprinted with adequate sales figures along the way.

The set didn't sell enough for more than one print run of later copies anyway, so I'd be surprised for it to happen now. The first books were hard to get rid of in the end. Which begs the question: why bring it back already in the first place?

79Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 16, 1:10pm Top

>43 folio_books:

do grinches get on with grouches?

asking for a friend ;-)

80Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 16, 1:12pm Top

>44 Emily_Jones51:-46

Dracula meets Watership Down

I think I might pay to see that ;-)

81adriano77
Oct 16, 1:17pm Top

>51 SolerSystem:

Quite a stack.

Do we have any inkling as to what the black-dyed one is? Don't think I've seen them do designs like that on a text block before. Looks interesting! Fern leaves?

82CLWggg
Oct 16, 1:20pm Top

Could the book with what looks like a dragoon tattoo be The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo? I'd be surprised at this getting the Folio treatment, though...

83HuxleyTheCat
Oct 16, 1:44pm Top

>82 CLWggg: That had been my thought too. These days I wouldn't be surprised at all.

84folio_books
Oct 16, 1:58pm Top

>82 CLWggg: Could the book with what looks like a dragoon tattoo be The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo?
>83 HuxleyTheCat: These days I wouldn't be surprised at all.

These days that would be positively mainstream. A three-volume series, too. Thick, and doubtless expensive. Ticks all the boxes for Folio. Next stop Da Vinci Code.

>79 Cat_of_Ulthar: do grinches get on with grouches?

Tell your friend Grinches and Grouches are famously friendly, fortunately.

This message has been brought to you by Grinch Grouse Inc.

85cronshaw
Oct 16, 2:37pm Top

>82 CLWggg: Good grief, is it a dragon? You could well be right about the title then. I'd imagined it was some ears of grain. Must get myself to Specsavers.

86adriano77
Oct 16, 2:43pm Top

I'd be shocked if that were a dragon of any sort.

87stumc
Oct 16, 3:08pm Top

what was the discount code again?

88Czernobog
Oct 16, 3:29pm Top

>81 adriano77: "Don't think I've seen them do designs like that on a text block before"

They did something similar with Anansi Boys.

89bookfair_e
Oct 16, 3:35pm Top

>87 stumc:

There is an automatically applied discount at checkout of £20 for orders of £150 - ends tomorrow at midnight GMT.

T&Cs >75 bookfair_e:

The discount code is PMAG2 with these T&Cs:

*Valid for current customers only. One use per customer. Cannot be used in conjunction with any other voucher or promotion. Ends midnight (UK time) Thursday 21 November 2019.

90Michael_Henchard
Edited: Oct 16, 3:45pm Top

Could the sixth one up from the bottom be The Invisible Man ?

91Lady19thC
Oct 16, 3:47pm Top

One of the books is supposed to be an "atmospheric gothic story". Do you think one of those slimmer books on top might be The Woman in Black, by Susan Hill? I would be up for that! I thought it was interesting they used the term "story" as opposed to "novel" and wonder if it is a shorter piece of work...

92stumc
Oct 16, 3:52pm Top

>89 bookfair_e: thank you
think im going to order the Bond, Hornblower set 2 and Something Wicked

93xrayman
Oct 16, 5:01pm Top

>80 Cat_of_Ulthar: If you like that prospect then I suspect you're a fan of the classic animation 'Bambi meets Godzilla'

94coynedj
Oct 16, 5:59pm Top

>93 xrayman: - That's one of my all-time favorites!

95wcarter
Edited: Oct 16, 7:24pm Top

The Blue Fairy book looks like a reprint of the 2003 edition rather than a new edition. Same for Arabian Nights, which looks identical to the 1999 edition.
Live and Let Die was also published by the FS in 2007, but in a different format, so this is a new edition.

96Mr.Fox
Edited: Oct 16, 9:28pm Top

I just ordered Working along with Live and Let Die, and added Reach for the Sky to complete my Brickhill trio and get the $30 discount.

97Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 17, 2:41am Top

Folio has just confirmed on Instagram that they will be 'slowly re-releasing all the fairy books'.

98Fierylunar
Oct 17, 3:00am Top

>97 Kisa_Vorobyaninov: That's good news at least, and bad news for the vultures exploiting the scarce market (as well as those who bought at a premium).

99CLWggg
Oct 17, 3:28am Top

>97 Kisa_Vorobyaninov: Just to point out, for the sake of accuracy, that Folio's comment on Instagram (in reply to a comment "I'm SO excited you're re-releasing the Andrew Lang Fairy Tale books!!!") was "It will be slow, but we'd love to re-release all the colours". So they haven't confirmed that they definitely will be re-releasing them all, just that they would love to do so and that if they do it will be a slow process.

100Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 17, 4:29am Top

True. Folio's 'confirmations' have been a real dissapointnment lately, they have been 'confirming' their release of 'Watership Down' for a couple of years for sure.

101folio_books
Oct 17, 4:50am Top

>99 CLWggg: So they haven't confirmed that they definitely will be re-releasing them all, just that they would love to do so and that if they do it will be a slow process.

I doubt this will be sufficient to dampen the frenzied market.

102CLWggg
Oct 17, 5:34am Top

>101 folio_books: Agreed, and I imagine they probably will re-release the entire collection, but I thought it best to point out for clarity that this hadn't actually been confirmed!

103c_schelle
Oct 17, 8:03am Top

I ordered Live and Let Die from the new collection and also added The Handmaid’s Tale, Oryx and Crake, Starship Troopers and Night. With the £20 discount and my £10 birthday voucher the express shipping is almost free. Altough the pound got quite high against the euro I want my books to arrive before Brexit happens.

104bookfair_e
Oct 17, 10:00am Top


Teaser on Twitter today:

"Our Christmas catalogue will be revealed next week! We are thrilled to give you a first glimpse at this glorious binding design. Any idea what you think it might be?"


105fancythings
Oct 17, 10:12am Top

>104 bookfair_e: Kafka's metamorphoses?

106elladan0891
Edited: Oct 17, 11:04am Top

Facsimile of a rare copy of The Herefordshire Pomona Pests and Pollinators?

107HarpsichordKnight
Oct 17, 10:48am Top

>106 elladan0891: hahaha, nice.

Funnily enough, all this talk of the Pormona actually makes me want one, despite having yet to purchase an LE, and knowing nothing about fruit at the best of times. Familiarity breeds love?

108Emily_Jones51
Oct 17, 11:16am Top

To anyone thinking it's Silence of the Lambs, there's no way. This looks like a classic science text on insects

109Emily_Jones51
Oct 17, 11:18am Top

Anyone checking out Ebay and laughing at the sellers listing the Blue Fairy Book for 120 GBP? HAHAHAHAHA - Greedy Suckers!

Whether it's slow or fast, as long as Folio releases them. I hope the Violet and Orange are next: I want to taste the tears of the sellers listing them for 500 GBP each.

Three cheers for Folio Society!!!

110Levin40
Oct 17, 11:20am Top

>104 bookfair_e: The Collector?

111SF-72
Oct 17, 12:37pm Top

112Pellias
Oct 17, 12:53pm Top

>110 Levin40: He collects butterflies .. and other things

113cronshaw
Oct 17, 1:12pm Top

>97 Kisa_Vorobyaninov: Folio has just confirmed on Instagram that they will be 'slowly re-releasing all the fairy books'.

I believe if I were the individual who had just spent £1,700 for the whole series on eBay very recently, I'd be anxiously checking to see whether I had the right to return them within 14 days for whatever reason :)

114folio_books
Oct 17, 1:46pm Top

>113 cronshaw:

My interpretation of slowly is one a year, which means we'll still be seeing them in twelve years time. I fear the Greedy Suckers will be intent on making their fortunes for many years to come, especially if Folio publish them in the original order, which releasing Blue first tends to suggest.

115Willoyd
Edited: Oct 17, 5:36pm Top

When, in recent years, has the FS reissued a complete series? They tend to be rather more selective. Blue is, I think, one of those that have actually been rereleased before.
At £60 a book, that'll still mean an absolute minimum of £720 for the series (and prices are as sure as eggs are eggs, not going to come down over the next few years - what price in 12 years time?). Cheaper than a complete series on e-bay at present, but that's at least a guaranteed complete set, and a set now.

116gmacaree
Oct 17, 5:52pm Top

>115 Willoyd: they didn't even manage to re-release volume 2 of the icelandic sagas!

117elladan0891
Oct 17, 6:06pm Top

>116 gmacaree:
Urgh, I got suckered into buying the reissued buckram volume 1 when I was still a green devotee, thinking that surely they'd reissue volume 2 shortly after...

118gmacaree
Oct 17, 6:40pm Top

>117 elladan0891: i imagine that happened to more than a few of us

119Willoyd
Oct 18, 6:06am Top

>109 Emily_Jones51:
Gosh, that's a lot of anger there (even shouting in a previous post). So, somebody offers an item on eBay for £X. People can either buy it or not. Nobody is forcing anybody, it's all open and above board. What's the problem?

120Uppernorwood
Oct 18, 6:51am Top

I expect the anger comes from cases where people buy them from FS with the full intention of selling them on at a huge mark up once they have sold out. They take up a copy from someone who actually wants to read and own it.

The Book of the New Sun was on Ebay within days of going on sale at a mark up of about 250%.

Of course if people have read a book and want to sell it on they're entitled to get the best price possible for it.

121Pellias
Edited: Oct 18, 7:34am Top

I have seen anger on LT, and that there is not anger. That`s just Emily being, well .. Emily.

To read and sell is one thing, to buy maybe 10 King signed books and sell them unread for profit x8 or x16 times the price is a business, and that is not fair to other (real) collectors (or maybe it is, there are always two sides or more, but in my world it`s not fair) ..

People can sell and buy what they want for my concern, but Emily is only having a last laugh about the matter (of crazy prices secondhand) as i see it, so that now people that actually want to have and read the faerie books can obtain them for a more sensible price, instead of sellers using them as a leverage to price (the younger ones in particular) out of the marked .. i bet this makes many very happy

Unpredictable FS strikes again, and the demand have guaranteed been very high

: The blue faerie book was the last one to sell out (according to memory) so i understand it could be a little underwhelming to start with the less demanded one for most people .. if it is a start that will go on to completion that is

122Pellias
Oct 18, 7:38am Top

.. about Haunting at Hill House or any Shirley Jackson for that matter: As customer service replies: Regrettably, there is no information to suggest that any titles from the above will be published in the near or distant future. However, we do love to hear suggestions from our customers. I will certainly pass yours along to our editorial team. I do imagine that the illustrations would be stunning. I imagine they would also be very interesting to produce.

123fishthing
Edited: Oct 18, 8:12am Top

New teaser on Twitter.

Montaigne?

Edit: illustrated by Mike Wilks?

124bookfair_e
Edited: Oct 18, 8:29am Top

>123 fishthing: New teaser on Twitter.



"Not long now until all is revealed! Can you guess what exciting new edition this illustration could be from? We think it is quite a tricky clue... but what do we know?"

ETA caption

125Czernobog
Edited: Oct 18, 8:38am Top

>123 fishthing: Looks like it - they even translated the quote for us. And they mentioned "a glorious collection of essays" on Instagram.

126gmacaree
Oct 18, 8:40am Top

I might have to upgrade my Montaigne if this is a newer translation.

127folio_books
Oct 18, 8:49am Top

>125 Czernobog: they even translated the quote for us. And they mentioned "a glorious collection of essays" on Instagram.

I have the three-volume set they published in 2006. I'm delighted - one less (three less?) to buy from that large pile.

128gmacaree
Oct 18, 9:06am Top

>127 folio_books: but the Florio translation used in the 3-vol set is appalling! For me, at least, getting through them was excruciating, and I think I've retained nothing.

129Willoyd
Edited: Oct 18, 10:23am Top

>121 Pellias:, >122 Pellias:
Sounds pretty angry to me, shouting and all, but I take your word for it!

I have to say I'm a bit bemused about the aggro towards these sellers. Whilst the occasional FS book gets marked up steeply on the secondary market, the fact is that most sold second-hand don't come close to the original prices from FS: I've been selling most of my collection off bit by bit, and less than 5% have actually shown a 'profit'. OK, one or two might be predictable (but then one often has to ask what's the point of an LE in the first place if it's not to push the scarcity value), but generally, it's all a bit of a gamble, and overall, I would be surprised if most dealers were making big money. In terms of the Fairy Books, certainly, when I bought my copies (yes, I currently have a full set), whilst they were regarded as attractive, there was no talk of them IIRC being a longer term investment. Indeed, all these books were bought from FS, and most were in sales or discounted - that's how 'popular' they were.

As to 'now people that actually want to have and read the Fairy Books can obtain them for a more sensible price', well it's been pretty easy to buy copies of the Lang Fairy books for very sensible prices - if you want to read them, there are plenty of very cheap and functional editions available. This isn't about 'reading', it's about collecting. There are quite a few FS editions where I've decided that I really want to read the book, indeed have my own copy, but where the FS edition is too expensive, so have gone elsewhere. And what is a 'sensible' price anyway? That's very much a matter of personal opinion, and what you or I might think sensible, somebody else wouldn't - after all a lot of people wouldn't think FS books sensibly priced in any shape or form!

All in all, I just think there's far too much fuss made about these prices, and I find the language and its aggressiveness somewhat disturbing. If enough people are prepared to pay them, then maybe the price is 'sensible'. If they don't buy, then they are not. Personally, I think the FS will welcome these prices - nothing like a bit of rarity kudos, and the perception that one's books are a good investment - and wouldn't put any money on them rushing to undercut the market, not if they've any sense.

130SF-72
Oct 18, 10:37am Top

>121 Pellias:

"To read and sell is one thing, to buy maybe 10 King signed books and sell them unread for profit x8 or x16 times the price is a business, and that is not fair to other (real) collectors (or maybe it is, there are always two sides or more, but in my world it`s not fair) .."

That's exactly how I see this. People like that do take away the opportunity actual collectors, fans etc. have to buy something at publishing price. I appreciate it when publishers try to put a stop to this by limiting how many copies per household are sold, at least in the case of limited editions. It reminds me of how rare tickets are bought up to be sold for much more on the black market. There are attempts to get that under control now, too, from limiting how many tickets a single person can buy to not letting people with a re-sold ticket enter the theatre. So clearly this is something a lot of businesses have a problem with, too. We discussed this elsewhere before, but it's really a difference to me if someone does something like this, or sells something they didn't like enough to keep. With regard to used-book shops that buy things like the Fairy Books used and then sell them at extreme prices, it feels exaggerated and they drive up prices like this. But at least in that case someone was willing to sell their books to them as opposed to them grabbing up a limited edition before someone who actually wanted one to read and keep or not could.

131HuxleyTheCat
Oct 18, 10:40am Top

>129 Willoyd: I completely agree. Basically I think the anger boils down to 'I want it and I want it now' and where the only copies available are at a price which the individuals either can't afford or don't prioritise highly enough to save for.

The only time I've got annoyed about a similar issue was with Mort, when it was very clear that the tiny limitation was going to sell out in a few short hours and there were some in our community here who knowing that 'friends' would never get a chance to buy were buying multiple copies with the clear intention to exploit the secondary market. They did nothing actually wrong but I thought at the time that it was at least morally dubious. Of course Folio could have ameliorated the situation by limiting copies to one per account, but that bus had left by the time they even considered it.

132Kainzow
Oct 18, 10:49am Top

I emailed them last year wondering about A Brief History of Time. They said it was going to be reprinted soon in 2019, but we're already in mid October and it's still listed as sold out. I missed it and Beloved. (At the time I was a uni student, so couldn't afford Folios.) Anyway, I wouldn't be super optimistic about the Fairy Books. But that would be great to have them back. When I was new to Folio, I used to marvel at the shelves of those who have the entire collection.

>110 Levin40:
I thought about the Collector too.
But it seems unlikely. I think it's gonna be a non-fiction thing.

133Pellias
Edited: Oct 18, 12:01pm Top

>129 Willoyd: It`s not anger, but it`s not very british probably, thus maybe it can be interpreted as anger, what do i know. Some case of cultural collision maybe :)

Personally as i can only speak for myself (and apparently also Emily). I also doubt Emily follow LT very close, as she doesn`t seem to involve or reply questions , also being a member since sept.18 she wouldn`t have learned the for some complex codex of how to behave on LT.

.. a sensible price is of course between the buyer and seller, it`s just that some sellers stink and some don`t .. - `it`s for me about .. to smell the louse in the hall when i meet one`

Before i end up being Emily`s defence atorney or her knight in shining armour i end it here, the trial could either way not continue without my potential client present, and it would be a potential very big job!

>130 SF-72: We have to be on guard, we that know the game, luckily we know where to look for our gems

>131 HuxleyTheCat: 'I want it and I want it now' That`s human. That`s FAD, addiction, Ocd, filling empty voids, heartache, loneliness, winner of the lottery prize, coolest in the street, one step closer to the most interesting library on LT what do i know `.. it`s why sellers get what they want (cash), and the buyer get what they want (thingy) .. and when they get it - have to have something more - the fix doesn`t last` and it might be lost if it`s not catched now (the fish might escape from the pond) .. time is ticking, chopchop .. welcome to a dash of the world of marketing, added with some supply and demand and a large tablespoon of human addictive behaviour .. too much stimuli

134fishthing
Oct 18, 12:09pm Top

>104 bookfair_e:

Jean Henri Fabre?

135adriano77
Oct 18, 12:40pm Top

>123 fishthing:

Looks like it.

Didn't care for FS' previous Essays so I'm quite keen to see a new take. If that's what it is, of course.

136Sorion
Oct 18, 1:31pm Top

>128 gmacaree: Exactly! Florio is nigh on unreadable. Either the Screech or the Frame translation would make this an absolute must buy for me. Who am I kidding, if they make it pretty enough I'll still buy it even with a Florio translation. Three editions of Montaigne just isn't enough and I need more.

137folio_books
Oct 18, 1:33pm Top

>128 gmacaree: but the Florio translation used in the 3-vol set is appalling

I have nothing to compare it with.

138Willoyd
Edited: Oct 18, 4:10pm Top

>133 Pellias: It`s not anger, but it`s not very british probably,
That probably makes better sense!

>131 HuxleyTheCat: boils down to 'I want it and I want it now'
That's what it seemed to me too.

139LesMiserables
Oct 18, 4:24pm Top

The madness of crowds.

140SF-72
Oct 18, 4:44pm Top

>131 HuxleyTheCat:

Speaking for myself, not others here on the thread: I've got the complete Fairy Tales and I still get angry at the kind of seller who wants 500 Pounds for one of them. It's not about wanting something I can't have / won't pay a completely exaggerated price for, but about the principle of the thing.

141terebinth
Edited: Oct 18, 4:52pm Top

>136 Sorion: Florio is nigh on unreadable.

If only someone had told me before I read it ;)

It must depend what your reading has been. My Folio Montaigne occupies a shelf with the eight volumes of Thomas North's Plutarch (Shakespeare Head Press) on its left and the Folio edition of Burton's Anatomy on its right, I've always found it as welcoming as either, and I doubt I could summon the will to get to know a new translation no matter how well presented. Will be interesting though to see how much success Folio have in marketing Montaigne to readers with a preference for more modern texts, if that's what's coming.

142HuxleyTheCat
Oct 18, 5:49pm Top

>140 SF-72: We look at things in a very different way. Folio publish high priced editions of texts which can usually be read very cheaply or for free. They are objects of desire rather than necessity. The business in its current guise chooses to try and maximise profit and charge what the market will bear. Customers will vote with their feet and personally I have decided that many of the books which they are currently producing do not represent good value so I haven't bought them, despite the fact that I am in the fortunate position to have a substantial monthly book budget. I'm certainly not going to get angry about someone in the secondary market trying to do the same thing as Folio - maximise what the market will bear. It's certainly not something I'm going to waste emotional energy about as there are far more genuine injustices in the World.

143Sorion
Oct 18, 5:57pm Top

>141 terebinth:

Unreadable is perhaps not the perfect phrasing. Unbearable for many would be better. While it is readable and many have read it, yourself and myself included, for many it is unreadable and for many of us unbearably archaic. I don't enjoy the archaic translations much at all and avoid them if possible. They also present a real barrier to many who simply would find the archaic translation to difficult and foreign to get through. So I would consider one of the newer translations a real blessing from the FS. Though I own the older FS edition and the LEC edition I personally turn to my Penguin Classics the Complete Essays translated by Screech anytime I want to read Montaigne and would prefer a nice FS edition to turn too.

144Willoyd
Oct 18, 6:03pm Top

>142 HuxleyTheCat:
Exactly the way I see it.

145affle
Oct 18, 6:28pm Top

>144 Willoyd:

And I: the marketplace is full of lovely, affordable books I want to read - if one book is too much, pass on by. The FS is just not publishing much that I want to read (I seldom read SF, horror, fantasy, nursery/children's books or books aimed mainly at the American market), so the budget is going elsewhere at the moment. Since the coming of the internet the secondhand market works much more efficiently, and it's usually possible to tell whether high prices are a try on or reflect current scarcity.

146Bibliogasm
Oct 19, 3:09am Top

FS translations have always been my greatest bug bear. Of course, I detest the gratuitous price hikes which have severely reduced my purchases however, I simply cannot understand why they lavish care and attention producing beautifully crafted and typeset books and then plump for the cheapest, out of copyright translation available. To me, that smacks of venal penny-pinching and an epic breaking of the faith. So often, they never flag up which translation they have used or whether the text is abridged. It has resulted in numerous nasty surprises for me (Smollett and Candide I'm looking at you in particular). You don't imagine they'd ever opt for the creakiest, most anachronistic translation out there just to save a few pennies so that the book ends up with a severe dose of the Emperor's New Clothes. I have several FS volumes where I opened up the first few pages with excitement and then tossed it aside, furious...at them and more at myself for not checking before I purchased.

I think this also happens frequently with history books they publish, where not enough market research or academic rigour has gone into checking whether the original text has now been so debunked or superseded that it has lost a significant part of its value. In these instances, again, the editorial decision appears to have been motivated by cost - 'the rights for this are cheap - we'll make it look stunning so it appears definitive and charge a fortune for it.'

All the carefully crafted decisions they make over the illustrations and introductions and binding, the premium prices they attach to that and then they chuck away all that goodwill with disastrous and lazy editorial oversight with the translation. In these instances, FS very much wants us to judge a book by its cover and not much else. It often makes me think with their foreign literature, are they book publishers or, essentially, graphic designers?

147terebinth
Oct 19, 4:00am Top

>146 Bibliogasm:

The matter of translations seems to be one of the few in which the FS isn't moving fast enough for most of its present customers. I seem to be in a small minority, but by and large when I want to read any work from the past four centuries or so translated into English I've no appetite for looking beyond the earliest translations, where little more than language and local customs came between author and translator. It matters to me too that the translated text should be that which was known to British near-contemporaries of the original work, and in many instances clearly influential for their own, sometimes well remembered, writings.

I do think it a factor that Folio books aspire to being themselves enduring objects, and as a general rule the earliest translations have better survival prospects than the most recent, how competent soever. The most current of translations can always be superseded, and in practically every case will eventually be of interest rather to students of their own period than to intending readers of the author.

So, just a confession that where others here are finding objectionable anachronism I tend to find much the most rewarding possibilities for engagement. I soon lost interest in the Letterpress Shakespeare on account of its orthography, and while the FS succeeded in interesting me in Hooke's Micrographia I then sought out another publisher's version to obtain a genuine facsimile which preserves the language of the original. Good luck to the FS in publishing modernised texts and current translations, but there's nothing in them for me no matter how becomingly they're produced and so I'll not be buying.

148SF-72
Oct 19, 4:24am Top

>146 Bibliogasm:

I completely agree, abridged or bowdlerised translations plain and simply stop me from buying in most cases. I find it frustrating that FS invest so much time and care in the looks, then scrimp on an acceptable translation. And to me that's not necessarily the latest one, but yes, one that actually provides me with a text that represents the original in its complete form. One exception would be something where the translation is a work of literature in itself that allows a glimpse into its time, like Metamorphosis to name an example. With history books it seems strange to go for something so out of date that it actually misinforms you about the subject at times. That doesn't mean that the most current one is always what's best, but they do sometimes seem to go for cheap over reliable.

149SF-72
Oct 19, 4:32am Top

>142 HuxleyTheCat:

To each their own. We all could naturally read a lot of what FS publishes more cheaply (and save a lot of shelf space, too), be it as a paperback or even a free ebook if it's old enough. But many people, including us here on LT, naturally, generally see books as more than just the words you can 'consume', no matter the form. And for other things where some sellers do the exact same thing they do with FS books, there is no alternative whatsoever. I just stumbled across this issue with a popular UK TV series that for some weird reason is only re-released in limited editions that are sold out within weeks of publication, then prices explode beyond most people's means. I just don't have any sympathy for people who buy for no other purpose than to exploit this, and I frankly don't understand publishers who create such situations when they're not necessary. It makes complete sense that small private pressed only produce a limited number of books, or that FS stop printing books when they don't sell well enough, but why something like this is done with an automatic seller like that series is a mystery to me.

150Kisa_Vorobyaninov
Oct 19, 4:42am Top

Folio is offering a 10% discount on 'His Dark Materials' this weekend.

151Czernobog
Oct 19, 8:17am Top

A few thoughts:
  1. Howl's Moving Castle: 7th book from the top (based on the colours of the winning cover art).
  2. Montaigne's Essays: possibly not a complete edition because the two large tomes are Working and The Blue Fairy Book. Might be the gilded second to last book.
  3. The Dracula LE is not in the photo so there must be another gothic horror novel forthcoming. The Woman in Black and Rosemary's Baby were mentioned in a 2016 survey. I'm hoping for Gaiman's Coraline though.

152Pellias
Oct 19, 8:35am Top

>151 Czernobog: (3) Hope so, and i have had confirmed it is not Haunting at Hill House. We have seen plenty of Draculas, but no Frankensteins. I am hoping for something more sexy though. Is it a reprint of something old, or is it something new that can be telling of what direction FS are going horror wise. Coraline would be nice.

153SF-72
Oct 19, 8:50am Top

Coraline would be very nice, preferably with the already existing illustrations by David McKean.

154Jayked
Oct 19, 9:00am Top

>147 terebinth:
I'm in that minority too. A Spanish reader of Don Quixote or a French reader of Montaigne deals happily with a level of archaic use we deal with in Shakespeare or Fielding. To modernise is to falsify. Look for example at the dreadful translation in the Poetic Edda.

155Jason461
Oct 19, 9:07am Top

Amidst the translation talk, it is worth noting that A LOT of the first translations of things were awful and just as designed to make money as anything you'd get today. Constance Garnett butchering Russian lit spring to mind.

My personal preference is translations that are as accurate as possible and which don't use words that wouldn't have been around at the time the text was offered. The exception is ancient and dead-language translations. In that case, I don't care. Just make it read nicely. The Fagles Odyssey, for instance. Or the Heaney Beowulf.

156RATBAG.
Oct 19, 9:17am Top

So far we have:

1. Howl's Moving Castle
2. Marvel
3. Blue Fair Book
4. Alice in Wonderland
5. Arabian Nights
6. Working
7. Bond
8. Unnamed Gothic novel
9. Montaigne's Essays (prediction)
10. Fabre's Book of Insects (prediction)

157gmacaree
Oct 19, 9:42am Top

I have no problem with archaic translations if they're good (Golding's Metamorphoses is lovely, for instance). Florio's translation is terrible.

158dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 19, 11:27am Top

>143 Sorion:

Agree entirely with Sorion in this regard. The purpose of a translation, first and foremost, is to make the work of literature easily comprehensible and readily accessible to the modern reader. Early translations that are centuries old such as John Florio's translation of Montaigne's essays are a non-starter for me, placing an unnecessary linguistic impediment between the work of literature and the modern reader. In nearly all cases I will opt for the most modern of the translations that combines accuracy with clarity. In the instance of Montaigne's Essays the translation by Dr. M.A Screech (Penguin Classics) wins hands down for me.

The obvious exception(s) to what is stated above are works of literature in which the poetry or poetic nature of the original prose is of paramount importance in one's appreciation, e.g., Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Beowulf, The Vision of Piers Plowman, Dante's Divine Comedy, etc. In this instance I would hope to find a translation which is a combination of clarity for the modern reader while simultaneously preserving some of the poetry of the original language. The Robert Fagles translations of the Greek classics and the Hollander translation of Dante's Divine Comedy are excellent examples of the latter.

159jroger1
Oct 19, 11:19am Top

>158 dlphcoracl:
That’s my opinion too. I’m willing to struggle with difficult concepts and complex plots but not with unnecessarily twisted or archaic language. The Screech translation in the “Gargantua and Pantagruel” LE is wonderful, and I would love to see his Montaigne in a nice edition.

160dlphcoracl
Oct 19, 11:30am Top

>159 jroger1:

There are no fine or private press editions of the Screech translation of Montaigne's Complete Essays, to my knowledge. The best one can hope for is an early printing (2nd or 3rd printing) of the hardcover Allen Lane/Penguin Press edition circa 1990 or 1991. The later 4th printing in 1992 is not nearly as well printed and is of inferior quality, to my eye.

161bookfair_e
Oct 19, 12:23pm Top

The latest teaser on Facebook today:



"We cannot wait to unmask our new collection, and there are only a few days left to wait! In the meantime, can you guess what edition this illustration could be from?"

162gmacaree
Oct 19, 12:29pm Top

In addition to the new Gargantua and Pantagruel, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Folio's recent re-release of Marco Polo with updated translation. They fall down a lot on this front, but seem to be improving.

163Czernobog
Oct 19, 12:45pm Top

>161 bookfair_e:

A 2016 horror survey listed Edgar Allan Poe's Tales of Mystery & Imagination, which contains the story "The Masque of the Red Death". Just a wild guess.

164LolaWalser
Oct 19, 12:51pm Top

>163 Czernobog:

Huh. Fair chance maybe, but the drawing strikes me as a bit... childish?

165Jayked
Oct 19, 1:10pm Top

Shakespeare is roughly of the same period as Cervantes and Montaigne, so perhaps we can look forward to a modern translation for those who can't figure out that wherefore means why, and purple means blood red.
I don't agree that poetry and drama need more care than prose. A good writer of prose can take infinite care over every word and piece of punctuation. And if the poetry is old enough you can't reproduce its form, which is why Homer and the Edda appear in trivial prose. Heaney's a great poet who went to great lengths to master the nuances of Beowulf; his translation stands up on its own poetic merits, but it's not Beowulf -- not even close. Different rhythm, voice, background...

166Czernobog
Edited: Oct 19, 1:33pm Top

>164 LolaWalser:

A fair point ,maybe it's from the Blue Fairy Book then

167Jason461
Oct 19, 1:30pm Top

>165 Jayked: But what is Beowulf then? Are you saying it's necessary to be able to read the text in its original form to get it?

168Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 1:40pm Top

>84 folio_books:

My friend is delighted and is sprucing up their dustbin even as we speak :-)

Brought to you by the number seven.

169Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 1:45pm Top

>93 xrayman:, >94 coynedj:

Heh! That's good.

I hadn't actually seen it before but it must have leaked into my subconscious somehow (the race memory, as Jung tells us).

:-)

170Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 1:56pm Top

>104 bookfair_e:

Hmm, an 'inordinate fondness for beetles' springs to mind.

Beyond that, I have nothing to offer :-)

171gmacaree
Oct 19, 1:58pm Top

>165 Jayked: This is an argument against all translations. Is that what you were going for?

172terebinth
Oct 19, 1:59pm Top

>167 Jason461:

That sounds an altogether defensible position to me. Being able to tick it off one's reading list after experiencing an "easily comprehensible and readily accessible" digest or paraphrase wouldn't be nearly the same thing, and Heaney's poem is in addition a poem, but a different poem.

In truth it's surely a continuum, there's no distinct level of alteration or dilution at which an adapted, simplified or modernised work ceases to afford any contact at all with its source. Bach on the Moog still conveys something of Bach, Lamb's Tales convey something of Shakespeare. In each case something is added and something is lost. As to how much the loss matters, only someone who's gone to the trouble of engaging intensively with the original work can deliver a worthwhile estimate.

173terebinth
Oct 19, 2:10pm Top

>171 gmacaree:

At best a translation of any literary work is an expedient for people in a hurry, with the further possibility that it may be possessed of graces entirely its own. Given that most of us are here for less than a century it seems unavoidable that most of us live in too much of a hurry to become closely acquainted with numerous languages and the successive developmental phases of each, and so translations are often quite handy. No point in making the unattainable perfect the enemy of the good.

174Jason461
Oct 19, 2:10pm Top

>172 terebinth: It is worth noting though, isn't it, that most of these early works weren't meant to be difficult to consume. Nearly all the pieces we're discussing have their roots in some for of oral tradition. I'm reminded of an early discussion here of listening to an audiobook.

175Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 19, 2:17pm Top

>172 terebinth:

Bach's music is sometimes seen as an example of 'absolute music' where it's all about the notes rather than what they are played upon: thus he is open to multiple interpretations by jazzers and original instrumentalists and everyone besides.

But then there are schools such as the spectralists, where it's all about the sounds the instruments generate and how they combine with each other.

I am wondering how Webern might feel about his work being reorchestrated the way he orchestrated Bach and others.

No 'correct' answers to that, of course.

As for translations.

I would love to be able to tackle every work in its original form but, being realistic, that's not going to happen.

Translations are as inevitable as they might be undesirable.

And international politics depends upon them, so let's not be too mean to the unsung heroes who slog away in the shadows for us :-)

176Uppernorwood
Oct 19, 2:32pm Top

A translation is always once removed from the original work, but much enjoyment can be had from it still. By the way I dont thinking learning languages closes the gap much. Even if the reader understands the language, if it's not a natural language to them its debatable whether they'll get a full appreciation of it, as a nativecsoeaker would.

I also think it depends on the work. I've just finished The Count of Monte Cristo, and I would wager that I was able to appreciate the rip roaring tale of revenge every bit as much as a french person reading the original text.

However I expect a French translation of PG Wodehouse loses 50% of what makes him a great writer.

177Jayked
Oct 19, 6:07pm Top

It's just about impossible to translate all aspects of Beowulf because of changes in the language. Heaney has done a better job than anyone else of translating the storyline of Beowulf into an independent work of art. The nearest most translations come to the original form is by incorporating some alliteration, but not subject to the original constraints.
The Anglo-saxons were aware of rhyme as a curiosity, but couldn't make practical use of it because their language was inflected: the ending of words couldn't be manipulated because they conveyed tense, case, number etc. They therefore marked the beginning of words with alliteration to create a pattern: 2 alliterations in the first half of a line, one in the second. Not all parts of speech could bear alliteration: nouns and adjectives primarily.
Alliteration wasn't the only pattern used. Each half-line contained two stressed and two unstressed positions, with 3 of the stressed positions carrying alliteration. Simple arithmetic will tell you that there would be a maximun of six possible stress patterns in a half-line: /x/x, //xx, /xx/, x/x/, x//x, xx//.
Beowulf keeps very strictly to the rules, while countering monotony by variety of vocabulary. It should be remembered that the poem was intended for public performance, accompanied by some form of harp. It's hard to think of a "modern" poetic form so hedged about by rules; perhaps Pope's heroic couplets come closest. Imagine Pope translated into free verse.
It's likely that the majority of Anglo Saxon poets couldn't read. If so, their grasp of grammar, syntax and prosody is remarkable. Most people today no longer exposed to these disciplines as children have a hard time understanding them.

178Mr.Fox
Oct 20, 1:43pm Top

New social media illustration hint features a young lady on horseback. Any guesses?

179fishthing
Oct 20, 1:50pm Top

True Grit?

181Czernobog
Edited: Oct 20, 2:44pm Top

>179 fishthing: "True Grit"

I enjoyed the Coen Brothers movie, but never read the book. Would be an interesting yet unexpected choice.

182Willoyd
Oct 20, 3:52pm Top

>181 Czernobog:
Book is excellent. I've long said I'd like to see more American literature (amongst others), so would really welcome this.

183adriano77
Oct 20, 4:35pm Top

I'd be very interested in seeing FS' take on True Grit or any classic Western novel. Lonesome Dove in particular would be exciting.

184coynedj
Oct 20, 6:33pm Top

>181 Czernobog: >182 Willoyd: I agree that the book is superb - well worth a read, and if indeed we see an FS edition it just might find its way into my basket. Both film versions are also worth seeing, though I do prefer the Coen Brothers version - Glenn Campbell was a tremendous guitarist, but he wasn't a very good actor.

185Willoyd
Oct 21, 9:42am Top

>Yes, that's another on my rather long shortlist of books I'd love to see them do. I live in eternal hope!

186Emily_Jones51
Oct 21, 4:33pm Top

I really hope that picture of the masquerade figures is not Poe's Mysteries book. It looks too cartoon-y. I wonder what their gothic horror title will be...

187Lady19thC
Oct 21, 7:41pm Top

I think the artwork of the masquerade figures is quite lovely. I don't personally associate with the atmosphere that Poe creates though. But regardless, if it is a Poe, I will gladly get it. To me it takes on more of a dark fairy-tale theme, so we will see what it is in 2 days!

188wcarter
Oct 21, 9:43pm Top

OK, so the next hint on Facebook is a cover detail that is really weird.

189fishthing
Oct 21, 10:47pm Top

The Life of Emperor Jean Bedel Bokassa?

190elladan0891
Oct 21, 11:57pm Top

>189 fishthing:
To steer the thought to an actual book, and the one I'd like to buy and read - how about Ryszard Kapuściński's The Emperor: Downfall of an Autocrat? Different guy, same idea.

191Hrodberht
Edited: Oct 22, 6:50am Top

>188 wcarter:

Perhaps a reprint of the Patrick O'Brian series starting with "The Reverse of the Medal"?

;)

192bookfair_e
Oct 22, 8:57am Top

The latest teaser:

Hmmm?



The clock is ticking, and TOMORROW we will announce the 14 glorious new titles in our Christmas Collection. We can't wait to show you!

193F.Trier
Edited: Oct 22, 9:10am Top

>192 bookfair_e: Should no doubt be a reference to the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland

194RATBAG.
Oct 22, 9:53am Top

>189 fishthing: His grandson was my friend at school.

195Emily_Jones51
Oct 22, 11:34am Top

I'm excited about this wave. Are there any promos for it? i.e. 10% off or 30 GBP or something?

196Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 2:19pm Top

>195 Emily_Jones51: The Autumn Folio Magazine advertises a 10% OFF promo code (PMAG2) valid until the 21th of November.

Edit: there's also this from Instagram: Are you coming to @mcmcomiccon this weekend? Visit us at stand N200 to see our lovely illustrated books - and grab yourself an exclusive discount.

197RATBAG.
Oct 22, 2:56pm Top

>196 Czernobog: Thank you kindly for the reminder!

198folio_books
Edited: Oct 22, 4:46pm Top

Okay folks - off to bed now, early night before the big day tomorrow, when the myriad questions will all be answered. Hope the revelations are all you ever wished for and the excitement isn't too much. Have a nice cup of tea to hand or, better yet, a double espresso. Above all. enjoy!

Edited for afterthought. And now ... zzzzzz.

199bookofcalm
Edited: Oct 22, 9:37pm Top

catalogue arrived today

1. Howl's Moving Castle
2. John Kennedy Toole- A Confederacy of Dunces
3. Blue Fairy Book
4. Alice in Wonderland (van sandwyck)
5. Arabian Nights
6. Terkel - Working
7. Fleming - live and let die
8. Leroux - phantom of the opera
9. Montaigne's Essays
10. Le Guin -The Dispossessed
11. Portis - True Grit
12. O. Wilson - The Diversity of Life
13. Kapuscinski - Shah Of Shas
14. Marvel
15. A Hero Born
16. Maigret set 2
17. Tales Of Ancient Egypt
18. Townsend - The Aztecs
19. Tey - To Love and Be Wise

christmas gift guide book:
sorry for bad quality- I'm at work! (I work at a record store) Prices are in Canadian dollars
: https://imgur.com/a/DinrENX

200RRCBS
Oct 22, 6:00pm Top

>199 bookofcalm: thanks! Interesting collection! Some titles I don’t know much about but will be looking into tonight! Hoping for a good translation for Phantom, as this has been on my wish list for a while (and I know a lot of other LT members will be excited about it too)!

201jsg1976
Oct 22, 6:03pm Top

Solely going off the titles, Confederacy of Dunces, Phantom, and True Grit will be added to my wish list

202Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 6:21pm Top

>199 bookofcalm: Wonderful! I feel like a kid in a candy store. Tentative must haves for me are Howl's Moving Castle, A Confederacy of Dunces, Phantom of the Opera, The Dispossessed and True Grit. Then if there's any money left Essays and The Diversity of Life. I already have the Marvel and the Alice LE with the Van Sandwyk illustrations.

Edit: still missing four books from your list - there should be 19 in total.

203SolerSystem
Oct 22, 6:11pm Top

Oh wow, I wasn't expecting The Dispossessed! Now I can get rid of my boring Easton Press edition haha.

204Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 6:17pm Top

>203 SolerSystem: Same here -:)

205RATBAG.
Oct 22, 6:22pm Top

199> Omg! Beautiful all around, thanks for sharing! Might have to put off Folio until November.

Suntup is going to announce something with ROMAN numerals! :)

General question for all: Is "The Dispossessed" a stand-alone book or part of a cycle? The Guinverse slightly confuses me.

206adriano77
Oct 22, 6:22pm Top

True Grit, Diversity of Life and Essays interest me. Looking forward to the full reveals.

207RATBAG.
Oct 22, 6:23pm Top

>202 Czernobog: Would the diary count as a release?

208Jayked
Oct 22, 6:27pm Top

>205 RATBAG.:
It's the first chronologically in the Hainish cycle, though not the first written.

209Czernobog
Edited: Oct 22, 6:38pm Top

>205 RATBAG.: Both The Dispossessed and The Left Hand of Darkness are part of the Hainish Cycle. There are more but those are the only two I've read. It's a very loose connection and they can (must) all be enjoyed as stand-alone novels.

210bookofcalm
Oct 22, 6:43pm Top

I will check and update! just added Maigret set 2. I'll upload the book if you guys are into it

211RATBAG.
Oct 22, 6:57pm Top

>209 Czernobog: Ah, thanks for clarifying!

212bookofcalm
Oct 22, 6:59pm Top

Here's the whole thing!
sorry for bad quality- I'm at work! (I work at a record store)
: https://imgur.com/a/DinrENX

will add this link to my original post

213Goblin_Investor
Oct 22, 7:38pm Top

Oh, wuxia AND western for that collection !

214RATBAG.
Oct 22, 7:47pm Top

212> Thank you from myself and every other distinguished book lover in this group! Much, much appreciated. :)

215davelin
Oct 22, 7:53pm Top

I think I am in for Howl's Moving Castle, True Grit and Phantom.

216IgnatiusR
Oct 22, 8:15pm Top

>199 bookofcalm: Thank you very much for uploading the catalogue.

Contrary to their last 2 offerings there are several great books in this one. Shah Of Shas, A Hero Born and, particularly, The Diversity of Life look magnificent.

However, in true FS style, they have messed up the two real winners of the lot, at least in my mind:

- Montaigne looks great, with a much better translation, but a selection of essays is like shooting your own horse. I have no interest in some author selecting what he/she thinks is worthy of the whole oeuvre of Montaigne, please give me the full book and I will decide if something must be skipped or not.

- A Confederacy of Dunces has been on my wishlist forever, but my worst fears have been confirmed: it is as ugly and over the top as I feared. IDK who is in charge of the design of "satyrical" or "funny" novels, but nothing they have produced lately is done with taste: their designs are neither clever nor funny, just ugly and garish (maybe I am alone in this, but I cannot think of one single satyrical novel where FS has nailed the style in the last years: Catch-22, Slaughterhouse-5 and, now and most importantly, A Confederacy of Dunces are plain ugly designs where the illustrations detract more than add to the novel).

I guess I should not be so frustrated, but these two unnecessary failures (IMO), detract from what is a really great selection of books by the FS in this catalogue.

217adriano77
Oct 22, 8:25pm Top

>212 bookofcalm:

Thanks for the pics.

Confederacy of Dunces is truly hideous. True Grit, on the other hand, looks great. Liking the art style a lot. Selected Montaigne? No thanks.

218MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 22, 8:32pm Top

>217 adriano77:

Unabridged Montaigne would cost like $200 at current prices...so...that's assuming FS just put out the bare text without footnotes.

219RATBAG.
Oct 22, 8:53pm Top

I just noticed that the catalogue prices are exorbitant compared to the ROW (online price).

Any idea why? ROW online prices are much cheaper. (Ex: "Working by Studs Terkel" catalogue price: $155, online price: $78).

220Mr.Fox
Oct 22, 9:09pm Top

I already ordered Live and Let Die and Working, and I’ll be adding Howl, True Grit, and Dispossessed.

221Lady19thC
Oct 22, 9:15pm Top

Howl's Moving Castle, Phantom (so excited about this!!) and Montaigne's Essays for me.
Already bought the Alice and a few others for the husband and Santa to gift me come my birthday in late November and Christmas.

Some I have never heard of so will need to check them out first.

222elladan0891
Oct 22, 9:18pm Top

>190 elladan0891: "how about Ryszard Kapuściński's The Emperor: Downfall of an Autocrat?"

Well, looks like I'm actually getting my Kapuściński, albeit a different one!

Interested in Shah of Shahs, A Confederacy of Dunces, Alice in Wonderland, Working, Montaigne, A Hero Born, Tales of Ancient Egypt. Also possibly True Grit and The Diversity of Life - need to do more research.

Really looking forward to browse the books in detail tomorrow morning!
Great collection, looks like there is something for many people.

>199 bookofcalm: "18. Townsend - The Aztecs"

The Aztecs are from the previous collection.

>216 IgnatiusR:
I love illustrations in both Catch-22 and Slaughterhouse-5, I think they are great. However, I have to admit that illustrations and, especially, binding design of A Confederacy don't look that promising from the first glance. Won't stop me from buying, though.

223clymbouris
Oct 22, 9:27pm Top

>219 RATBAG.: AUS Dollars.

224bookofcalm
Edited: Oct 22, 9:37pm Top

>219 RATBAG.:

I should note I am Canadian! so those are canadian prices

225wdripp
Oct 22, 9:33pm Top

Definitely several titles that will go on my wish list. Not sure about some of the bindings/illustrations, though. I feel like there have been more misses for me recently when it comes to design.

I am seriously considering selling my LE of Alice and replacing it with the new, standard edition. As much as I love it, it doesn't get much use due to size, isn't practical for sharing with my wee nieces, and even if I just get my purchase price back it could fund a lot of other FS titles.

226LesMiserables
Oct 23, 2:15am Top

>217 adriano77:
Agreed. Confederacy of Dunces is truly hideous.

But what the heck is the Working book? Is this another example of the world's finest literature?

Folio looks like, sounds like, feels like, more than ever before a reincarnated BCA.

227CLWggg
Oct 23, 2:34am Top

>225 wdripp: "isn't practical for sharing with my wee nieces"
I love the fact that this is a consideration for you. There's something very special about a good quality book being shared and enjoyed between the generations, becoming fixed in the childhood memories of a younger person, and perhaps one day being passed on to them...

228cronshaw
Oct 23, 3:18am Top

>199 bookofcalm: Thank you for that list. After a couple of years of Folio celibacy, this risks being a most moist month.

229FitzJames
Oct 23, 3:24am Top

That is some delicious alliteration there.

231clymbouris
Oct 23, 4:30am Top

I've locked my eyesights on 5 books
- Howl's Moving Castle (Miyazaki fan here)
- True Grit
- Leroux - phantom of the opera
- Le Guin -The Dispossessed (to replace the uninspired EP one; like how it matches the theme of the other FS Le Guin book)
- A Hero Born (no idea what this is; just seems interesting)

Also glad to see that most of the above are very reasonably priced.

232terebinth
Oct 23, 4:52am Top

Another collection to reinforce my confidence that my FAD isn't coming back. I may still indulge in the odd Limited Edition every year or two.

233gmacaree
Oct 23, 4:58am Top

Pretty happy with this. A non-classical Chinese author! More LeGuin! A non-Dawkins book on evolution for a change!

I'm disappointed that Montaigne is an abridgement for the price, though -- I'm Screech-curious but not for a mere selection and not at that cost. Probably.

234cronshaw
Edited: Oct 23, 5:02am Top

What a lovely collection, indeed the first time I've gone slightly gaga for a while. A Hero Born looks intriguing, I'd never heard of it in my ignorance, and what striking covers for Phantom of the Opera, and for the Edward O. Wilson's Diversity of Life. Montaigne finally in the widely acclaimed Screech translation, wonderful! Confederacy of Dunces is a must, great illustrations, and Howl's Moving Castle looks beautiful, how to resist? Oh dear, how very dear this could be.

235cronshaw
Edited: Oct 23, 5:06am Top

>233 gmacaree: Ah, I didn't clock that it was an abridgement, what a shame (at £120 aka, phew!). The two-tone type-setting looks beautiful though.

236gmacaree
Edited: Oct 23, 5:06am Top

>234 cronshaw: I haven't bought from Folio since Sappho in the Spring and my basket is getting out of control today. And now I'm reading about how nice Dracula is when you actually get your hands on it ... oh dear.

>235 cronshaw: Yes, probably a sale title for me. Disappointing!

237cronshaw
Edited: Oct 23, 5:35am Top

>235 cronshaw: Dracula came through my front door yesterday. His spine smells so seductive it's all I can do not to bite into it. Don't dally if you're tempted, the counter's falling like a gravestone.

238wongie
Edited: Oct 23, 5:25am Top

>235 cronshaw:
>236 gmacaree:

Shame indeed, definitely a pass and sale item for me too now having found out. Guess it'll just be The Dispossessed and Diversity of Life for me.

239Fierylunar
Oct 23, 5:28am Top

Wow, that Phantom art is atrocious, such a disappointment for me. Would've instantly bought if it had any of the PotO feel the musical, movie or book has for me. This is trying too hard to distance itself from that.

True grit looks good, Howl's has a bit more colour than the winning bid would suggest (but I'm still left wondering if the People's choice wouldn't have been much better). A hero born is the true stand out and everything a Folio edition should be in my opinion. As for Alice, I'm just glad it's there and will definitely order it.

240wcarter
Oct 23, 6:03am Top

Everyone is always eagerly looking forward to the release, then many express disappointment afterwards.
I can find several titles of interest, but will ponder for a few days before ordering.

241SF-72
Oct 23, 6:08am Top

>239 Fierylunar:

I agree: I was so happy when I saw they finally published Phantom of the Opera, but then I saw the illustrations. I find those quite disappointing. The Easton Press illustrations are much more appealing, but then FS use a complete text while EP use an abridged translation. In the end, a proper text matters more than the illustrations to me, but I do wish they'd chosen a different illustrator.

242SF-72
Edited: Oct 23, 7:57am Top

Apart from the disappointing illustrations for Phantom, this is an appealing release. I couldn't resist Alice although I already have the limited edition, then Howl's Moving Castle, A Hero Born, Tales of Ancient Egypt, Phantom despite the illustrations, and I filled it up with some titles on my wish list. I ordered right away, with express shipping in case of Brexit going through, and was happy to find that the 10% voucher code worked online. It will be interesting to see these titles in person.

243mnmcdwl
Oct 23, 7:20am Top

The Jin Yong and Montaigne are interesting for me, but not instant buys. I’m not usually into kung fu fantasy, but then Outlaws of the Marsh was enjoyable enough and I do like Lord of the Rings. Has anyone read Hero Born and can give a thumbs up or down? As for the Essays of Montaigne, I am also disappointed about the abridgment, especially at that price. I would have preferred a higher price for a multi volume set similar to the Da Vinci Notebooks. That said, will a full Screech translation ever make a fine press appearance? I’ll probably wait for someone else’s review before deciding to purchase...

244lollipoppen
Oct 23, 7:26am Top

My instant buys:
- Howl's Moving Castle
- True Grit
- The Dispossessed
- A Hero Born (absolutely in love with the illustration)
- Alice in Wonderland (wish I had the cash for the LE but this edition looks whimsical!)
- Live and Let Die

I am undecided on Tales of Ancient Egypt and Phantom of The Opera simply because I'm not enamoured with the illustration and £100 is a hefty amount to be spent on two books I might not thoroughly enjoy...

Other than that, this is probably the most I've bought from a collection!

245lollipoppen
Edited: Oct 23, 7:29am Top

I read 'A Hero Born' in my native language about 25 years ago and it's an incredible read. It'll be fascinating to read this in English!

246lollipoppen
Edited: Oct 23, 7:37am Top

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247F.Trier
Edited: Oct 23, 7:37am Top

248lollipoppen
Oct 23, 7:42am Top

Thank you! :)

249dlphcoracl
Edited: Oct 23, 9:19am Top

Initial thoughts:

1. A Confederacy of Dunces would normally have been an automatic "Buy" for me but the book design and illustrations are truly hideous. Pass.

2. The collection of Montaigne essays with the M.A. Screech translation is the best of the lot for me. I have no trouble with a careful selection of his essays totaling 440 pages. In truth, his essays are uneven in quality and interest and an unabridged book of his complete essays would be approximately 1300 to 1350 pages, resulting in an extremely large, thick and cumbersome book to read. Though the book design and quality are top drawer the price point is out of line - this book is destined to wait for a future FS sale.

3. Studs Terkel's Working is a groundbreaking work of social history and the photographic illustrations are perfect and appropriate for this book.

250bookfair_e
Oct 23, 8:07am Top

Email just in from Folio:

“Enjoy a FREE DIARY with every order, and FREE DELIVERY when you buy five or more books*

*Terms and conditions apply. Please log-in to your account to redeem your offers. One free Diary with orders of one or more books. Free standard delivery applies to orders containing five or more separate full-price titles. Express delivery will be charged at normal rate. Delivery offer excludes the purchase of limited editions which are charged at individual rates. No cash alternative or equivalent. Offers end midnight (UK time) Monday 23 December 2019.”

There is also the 10% discount voucher.

251Fierylunar
Oct 23, 8:32am Top

>250 bookfair_e: it would appear folio has fixed the double discount loophole on launch for once, you cannot get both the 10% discount and free shipping.

252RRCBS
Oct 23, 8:36am Top

I ordered a couple of hours ago and got both discounts.

253SF-72
Oct 23, 8:45am Top

I got the 10% but not free shipping and I ordered a little over two hours ago. Peculiar as ever.

254Emily_Jones51
Oct 23, 9:15am Top

Does free shipping only apply to the UK or does it extend to the US, ROW, etc

255RRCBS
Oct 23, 9:27am Top

I’m in Canada and I got it

256RRCBS
Oct 23, 9:36am Top

Find this release pretty great! Ordered:

Alice (even though I already have the set with Through the Looking Glass)
A Hero Born
Howl’s Moving Castle
True Grit
Maigret set
Live and Let Die
Phantom of the Opera

Got the 10% off and free shipping! Rushed my order in case it was a glitch and used that excuse to justify getting another copy of Alice!

All in all, still hoping for some Sara Waters (Fingersmith!!) and some more Gaiman but pretty happy.

257MobyRichard
Edited: Oct 23, 9:39am Top

Oh my mistake. I only just now saw the price. I guess a complete Montaigne would be $600....:p

258Lim_See_Min
Edited: Oct 23, 10:06am Top

Really like the illustrations for Howl's Moving Castle, much more than I expected when it was announced as the winner earlier this year.

There are many books I'm interested in in this collection, a first since I started getting Folio Society books (no offence intended, it's just, it's finally my thing this time), except I recently got Montaigne's Essays in the Everyman's Library edition since I didn't see it coming. A bit upset with myself especially because I prefer Screech's British English over Frame's American translation.

To express my excitement over a Jin Yong novel getting the Folio treatment, I guess I'd share something on it. Jin Yong is a household name among Chinese in pretty much all regions with a Chinese-speaking population, from Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau to Southeast Asian countries like Singapore and Malaysia. Or if his pen name is not, his novels, characters and 'wuxia moves' definitely are. His stories are pretty much our childhood/youth since there's a new television adaptation of many of his works every 5-10years. Wuxia is a huge genre in Chinese prose and television today but I don't have the words to describe it. While Folio Society describes it as kungfu and mythical, it's more of special powers, learnt and used through martial arts. I'm very curious about how the translation will be though since there are many names for the 'wuxia moves', everyone of which will seriously be a mouthful in English if translated literally. I wish Folio Society used footnotes more extensively. It's a real bummer though that the translator used such a weird title for this work. A Hero Born? It places too much importance on the protagonist Guo Jing, since there are so many other characters I would consider nearly equally as important. Or maybe it's just because I grew up with the name The Legend of the Condor Heroes instead (with the trilogy known as Condor Trilogy).

P.S. is the 10% voucher from a previous purchase or?

P.P.S. I should stop adding onto my own post but does anyone know about the translation for The Phantom of the Opera?

259folio_books
Oct 23, 9:51am Top

>242 SF-72: was happy to find that the 10% voucher code worked online.

Damn and double damn. I forgot to use the code. That's cost me about £30, not too far shy of another Folio book.

260coynedj
Oct 23, 9:53am Top

A Hero Born looks very interesting, but it is only the first volume of a series - before buying it, I would love to know if FS is planning on publishing the entire series.

Overall, I think this is the best collection in some time. I'm considering five books, which would be just enough to get the free shipping if it applies to the States!

261wdripp
Edited: Oct 23, 10:13am Top

Definite buys for me: Alice, Howl's Moving Castle, and True Grit. Pondering A Hero Born and the Edward Wilson.

I dislike the illustrator they use for Le Guin which is a shame as I'd otherwise own all the FS editions of her work. Also passing on Dunces and Working due to the designs.

>258 Lim_See_Min: or others who are familiar with the work, I am interested to know how A Hero Born works as a stand alone novel, as there's no telling whether FS will publish future volumes.

262uncledaveh
Oct 23, 10:23am Top

Maigret Set Two and True Grit are winners for me.

263HarpsichordKnight
Oct 23, 10:26am Top

Nice selection!

Most tempted by the Montaigne, but with its high price, adding 4 more books to hit free shipping would be a bit too extravagant.

Other standouts:

A Hero Born
The Dispossessed
Alice in Wonderland
The Diversity of Life

Only thing I'm not wild about is the front cover of the 2020 diary, but guess you can't win em all.

264Lim_See_Min
Edited: Oct 26, 8:57am Top


Deleted for fear for misleading others.

265Willoyd
Oct 23, 10:47am Top

Initial looks suggest a more attractive collection than usual. Nothing an instant buy, but True Grit and Diversity of Life look pretty much nailed on at some stage in the future. Like quite a few others, Confederacy of Dunces looks truly horrible, so sadly that's one that I would have expected to join those two that is scrubbed. Alice is a possible other, although I'm happy with the 2-volume older FS edition I've got at present; Howl is another, although I preferred the 'members' choice'. I'm a fan of Maigret, and these editions look nice, but I'm not interested in half a dozen of the 70-odd that Simenon wrote, and will content myself with the 10-volume omnibus edition that I already have (and, no, I don't expect FS to do the whole series!!). Not bad for one collection.

266vmb443
Oct 23, 10:51am Top

I really want to want the Phantom of the Opera, but the illustrations are a huge roadblock to picking it up, so I am going to pass on it unless it ends up in a future sale. Otherwise I'll ordered the Maigret, the Arabian Nights reprint, the Alice, True Grit, Live and Let Die, and then I'm also going to pick up The World of Late Antiquity which has been on my wishlist and is down to less than a hundred copies.

267Redshirt
Oct 23, 11:06am Top

Lots of interesting choices that will go on my wish list but nothing that will cause me to jump on it before my regularly scheduled, semi-annual purchase plan. Confederacy of Dunces will be the one I most debate. Frankly, I didn’t like it when I read it nearly 40 years ago (OMG, I’m old). I’ve had it on my list to re-read but that design isn’t inspiring me to act quickly.

268wdripp
Oct 23, 11:23am Top

>264 Lim_See_Min: Thanks so much for your reply. I'll be moving it into the 'buy' column. :)

269Neil77
Oct 23, 11:43am Top

What a collection this time around! My hats off to FS for pulling a coup out there...

Have placed my order for The Phantom of the Opera (I actually like the theatrical style of the illustrations), A Hero Born (looks gorgeous and I am glad I will get to read an extremely popular fiction written in Mandarin), Howl's Moving Castle (love the illustrations), Tales of Ancient Egypt (Have the Greece and they would make an extremely gorgeous set) and last but not the least, Marvel (have resisted my FAD all this while but finally succumbed to it).

270Mooch360
Oct 23, 12:13pm Top

Is anyone expecting a Set Sale in the near future? I could be wrong but I thought the last one was last fall.

271Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 23, 12:14pm Top

There's a lot here of which I like the look. Which is a feeling I haven't had for a while.

The Diversity of Life jumps out because we've had a lot of Dawkins from Folio and Wilson has not always been on message with Dawkins.

It got quite nasty at times, if I recall correctly. But science, like politics, is a contact sport: marshall your data, model your results, get stuck intae 'em and gie 'em laldy!

But always, and I mean this most sincerely, be prepared to admit when you got it wrong.

:-)

272Emily_Jones51
Oct 23, 12:19pm Top

yes Mooch, does anyone think there will be a Set Sale? I dont think there will be one because of this current offer of 10% off. What say you!?

273Emily_Jones51
Oct 23, 12:19pm Top

And also, Folio's new collection is SUPERB!!!!! I want to buy at least half of the set!!!!!

274Sorion
Oct 23, 1:19pm Top

This is the best FS collection this year in my mind. There are some misses: Confederacy of Dunces is atrocious, just atrocious. Working..well I don't get it have no desire to get it and never will get it. I'd also say Shah of Shahs is totally without interest to me.

That said I love the art on Phantom. That is a win in every way and I will buy it not even having read the book because I love the art so much. The same for A Hero Born, just lovely.

Montaigne... I'll be buying it. I may be a sucker but I love Montaigne so that's going to happen. >249 dlphcoracl: has a point in saying that not every essay is worth the time it takes to both print and read so I'll settle for an abridgment now in a fantastic translation and hope for a full LE treatment 10 years from now. Or 20. Or maybe 30.

275F.Trier
Oct 23, 1:33pm Top

The following are on their way to me:

Howl’s Moving Castle
The Dispossessed
The Diversity of Life
The Phantom of the Opera
True Grit

Also liked the Hero Born artwork, but decided against it in the end.

276bookofcalm
Oct 23, 1:43pm Top

I am very excited for a Hero Born. I guess I'm the only one who likes the confederacy of dunces art! Excited for Maigret but I've been buying the 75+ title penguin paperback series so I expect they are all doubles for me. Really great release day overall!

277Levin40
Oct 23, 3:04pm Top

Some really lovely design and illustration work in this collection: Alice, A Hero Born, The Diversity of Life and True Grit are all exquisite and I'll pick them up at some point. Can't make my mind up one way or the other about Phantom. Montaigne is elegant but a little overpriced - if it ever appeared in a sale I'd snap it up. If it'd been an unabridged multiple-volume LE I'd have gone for it too. A disappointment for me is The Dispossessed. It's one of my all time faves but those dreary illustrations really don't do much for me, especially the cover.

278Jason461
Oct 23, 4:28pm Top

>226 LesMiserables:

Working? It's Studs Terkel. Do people really not know who he is? He was an extremely influential American writer, historian, etc. He won the Pulitzer for nonfiction at one point. His most important work is generally regarded to be what he does in Working - oral histories of working class people. Working was required reading for me in college and hugely important.

279NLNils
Edited: Oct 25, 1:46am Top

>278 Jason461: I didn’t. He’s before my time. And I didn’t study social studies. The book itself is just weirdly laid out. A academic paperback has the same dimensions, they should have reset the type. The binding will not hold up at 700+ pages and the additional weight of the oversized margins. For what it’s worth I now have a interest in the book, but only in a secondhand paperback.

280Jason461
Oct 23, 4:45pm Top

>279 NLNils: Yeah, I'm not wild about the design, either. He definitely deserves the Folio treatment, though.

281Czernobog
Edited: Oct 23, 5:58pm Top

This is one of the strongest and most adventurous line-ups in years. The designs are generally better and more exciting than those those of the Autumn collection, which I thought were a bit bland. There’s a wide variety of books to choose from both in terms of region (British, French, American, Chinese) and genre (SF, Fantasy, Western, Gothic etc). There’s a nice balance between fiction and non fiction (2 to 1).

I ordered The Dispossessed, Howl’s Moving Castle, True Grit and The Phantom of the Opera. There’s much more I want but that will have to wait until next month.

282Czernobog
Edited: Oct 23, 6:42pm Top

>250 bookfair_e: “Enjoy a FREE DIARY with every order, and FREE DELIVERY when you buy five or more books*

I got one for free with only four books ordered.

283Mr.Fox
Oct 23, 6:29pm Top

Free diary with every order.

Free shipping if you order five.

284Czernobog
Oct 23, 6:42pm Top

>283 Mr.Fox: Thanks sorry about that.

285kdweber
Oct 23, 7:19pm Top

Every time the Folio Society asks for book suggestions I put down A Confederacy of Dunces; yet, when they finally publish it I have to pass because it is so ugly.

287gatsby61
Oct 23, 8:10pm Top

In Canada, and PMAG2 isn’t working on the voucher code. Am I missing something?

288coynedj
Oct 23, 8:33pm Top

>287 gatsby61: - Is that the 10% discount code that has been mentioned so many times? I may place an order in the morning, and would love to knock 10% off what will surely be an expensive order.

289bookfair_e
Oct 23, 8:51pm Top

>287 gatsby61:

These are the T&Cs that apply to the PMAG2 discount code:

*Valid for current customers only. One use per customer. Cannot be used in conjunction with any other voucher or promotion. Ends midnight (UK time) Thursday 21 November 2019.

I’m not sure precisely what “current customers only” means – possibly the code was a concession/reward to customers who made a purchase from the September collection and were then issued with the code in the Folio magazine which accompanied their order. But who knows with Folio’s new website?

>288 coynedj:

Yes, it is 10% discount. I used it successfully yesterday.

290coynedj
Oct 23, 9:05pm Top

>289 bookfair_e: Thank you. I used it and got the free shipping as well, for my still overly expensive order of:

A Hero Born
The Diversity of Life
True Grit
Montaigne's Essays
Kindred
Oryx and Crake
Marco Polo's Travels

291Mr.Fox
Oct 23, 9:47pm Top

Total purchases this week:

Live and Let Die
Reach for the Sky
Working
Moby-Dick
True Grit
Howl’s Moving Castle
The Dispossessed
A Hero Born

Now it’s time for a break from shopping for a month or two.

292wdripp
Oct 23, 9:53pm Top

I was able to use the 10% discount and get free shipping with an order of 5 books. I'm in the US.

From the new collection I ordered:
A Hero Born
Alice in Wonderland
True Grit

I also ordered :
The Anglo-Saxons
Moby Dick

The Anglo-Saxons is in the "low stock" section, and FS mentioned Moby Dick had 200 copies remaining a few days ago. Neither have counters, but I didn't feel confident I could find them cheaper in a sale or in the second hand market, and didn't want to miss them.

The Ancient Civilization series is one of my favorites, and I'm so happy the are continuing to put out new titles in the series occasionally.

293Lady19thC
Oct 23, 10:28pm Top

I was also able to use the 10% discount and free shipping for 5 books or over. I am in the US.

Alice in Wonderland
Phantom of the Opera (2 copies)
Howl's Moving Castle
Tales of Ancient Egypt

Most will be handed over to Santa/the husband for my birthday and Christmas. Very excited about all of them!

294devilsisland
Oct 24, 12:23am Top

Damn Damn Damn

Was so looking forward to Something Wicked ,,,and Confederacy and both are a disaster.

Damn Damn Damn

295SF-72
Oct 24, 4:11am Top

I wrote to FS since the free shipping wasn't applied to my order of 10 books and was told they'd refund the 20 Pounds. You really can't fault their customer service. And my order was marked as shipped within about an hour, which was also impressive. I don't have tracking (I paid for express), but I hope it will arrive before the end of the month and a potential Brexit.

>287 gatsby61:

The voucher worked online for me in Germany, but I've had cases when vouchers didn't function online. In case of doubt, try to phone in the order. Their online shop isn't always reliable with these kinds of things but FS customer service is very helpful when you talk to them in person. Just try to get directly to them during UK office hours, the outsourced order line can't help with anything more tricky than just accepting an order.

296LesMiserables
Oct 24, 5:28am Top

Probably the wrong thread for this but since a few have noted how horrendous Confederacy of Dunces is, it may be worth revisiting the question of why the Folio Society insists on producing occasional works which defy explanations?

I'm talking absolutely awful illustrations seemingly composed by pre-schooled crayon wielding urchins, masquerading as adult artists.

I've seen too many of these over the years to consider them as unfortunate contracts scrawled on the back of a fag packet after one of the wilder Eagle St Christmas parties.

I mean what the heck is going on?

297Bookworm59
Oct 24, 7:27am Top

Well, shoot. I've been so looking forward to a Folio Phantom . . . but now I don't know. :-( I mean, the art isn't badly done, it's just really weird. There's nothing wrong with a little creativity, but shouldn't it at least try to fit the theme and the tone? Even something like a film noir theme would have fit better than a Day of the Dead theme.

298folio_books
Oct 24, 7:42am Top

My books arrived this morning. Nothing much to say so far, other than the books which appear hideous on the website are, if anything, even more hideous in the flesh. One little detail that amused me, though. The new Bond features, as always, artwork by the incomparable Fay Dalton. The slipcase features Mr Big facing Bond over his desk. In the background there are bookshelves, the books highly detailed. It seems Mr Big is a collector of Folio Society books including (did you guess?) four volumes in the Bond series :)

299RRCBS
Oct 24, 7:46am Top

>298 folio_books:

Which books did you buy? Always enjoy your early comments on the new books :)

300folio_books
Oct 24, 7:56am Top

>299 RRCBS: Which books did you buy?

After much prevarication (it may have been as long as five minutes) I chose:
Live and Let Die
A Confederacy of Dunces
The Dispossessed
Howl's Moving Castle
True Grit
Phantom of the Opera
The Second Maigret Collection

I may be back for Diversity of Life, A Hero Born and/or Shah of Shahs, depending on whether Folio offer a further discount code. Definite "no"s are Montaigne (I have the earlier unbutchered version) and Tales of Ancient Egypt (I cannot abide the author).

301treereader
Oct 24, 8:00am Top

>298 folio_books:

Very crafty, indeed! Maybe Fay is warning us that Ms. Omni is equivalent to Mr. Big. Only Agent Double-O-Mole can save us!

302Hrodberht
Oct 24, 8:31am Top

>292 wdripp: "The Anglo-Saxons is in the "low stock" section..."

I can't seem to find a "low stock" section on the website, please could you point me in the right direction

303folio_books
Oct 24, 8:43am Top

>301 treereader: Double-O-Mole

Now that really did make me laugh. I think you may have invented a new FSD legend.

304Lim_See_Min
Edited: Oct 24, 8:51am Top

>292 wdripp: I feel totally terrible right now but I guess it is better late than never. I was flipping through Instagram and saw that the second book is known as A Bond Undone. I pasted this online expecting it to be the second book in the trilogy. It has come to my attention that the English version splits the first book into 3 (another website gives it as 4) parts and A Hero Born is one of them. I am extremely sorry for assuming the trilogy was about the Condor Trilogy. I'm very very very sorry, I can't express my guilt enough.

I'll PM in hopes this will reach you earlier.

305CLWggg
Oct 24, 9:18am Top

306N11284
Oct 24, 9:34am Top

>285 kdweber: Every time the Folio Society asks for book suggestions I put down A Confederacy of Dunces; yet, when they finally publish it I have to pass because it is so ugly.

Couldn't agree more. I've been pleading for a Folio edition of this but will not be buying this one.

307podaniel
Oct 24, 9:34am Top

>296 LesMiserables:

I think they want to appear "arty" from time to time and so one winds up with the illustrations from A Confederacy of Dunces which appear to be what one gets when one sticks the works of Philip Guston, Stuart Davis and Jasper Johns in a blender and hit the "chop" button.

308Hrodberht
Oct 24, 9:39am Top

>305 CLWggg: Thank you.

309sdawson
Edited: Oct 24, 9:43am Top

I took the free shipping bait as well and ordered my five books

The Dispossessed
True Grit
Live and Let Die
Working
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay

Books which made it to the wish list but not in the basket include:

Alice In Wonderland (Because, is my FAD so bad that I really need a 5th copy of Alice just because it is so gorgeous? The other copies already on the shelf are Heritage Press, Limited Editions Club, Easton Press, and Everyman's Childrens Library)
A Confederacy of Dunces (Illustrations and cover are not to my taste. Still I do not own this highly recommended book)
Joan of Arc (I will likely wind up with this later this publishing year)
Phantom of the Opera (Again, Illustration and cover are not selling this for me, I'll stick with my EP edition)

-Shawn

310woodstock8786
Edited: Oct 24, 10:11am Top

Hi everyone!

I ordered yesterday and still a bit bummed about the illustrations for Howl's Moving Castle...I really loved the ones from the People's Choice Winner.

A question about the shipping! I used the PMAG2 discount code, so I got the 10%, but I had to pay for the shipping. How many books did I have to buy to get free shipping? I ordered 7 books, but I got Express shipping, because who knows what Boris might think up next week...

Oh and by the way, I was suprised that now the cost for the UK and ROW was the same...Have they given up on charging everyone more than the British?

311wongie
Oct 24, 10:10am Top

All this amusing repulsion at the artwork of some of these new titles reminds me of a thread not too long ago asking whether books should be illustrated. I take it, at least where these particular books are concerned, people would rather they certainly not be illustrated at all.

312wdripp
Oct 24, 10:11am Top

>304 Lim_See_Min: Not to worry! It is a beautiful production and I will track down further volumes elsewhere if I get sucked into the story and need to keep reading. Hopefully it will sell well enough that FS will at least try to complete the first 3-4 volumes.

313bookfair_e
Oct 24, 10:11am Top

>310 woodstock8786: How many books did I have to buy to get free shipping?

Five books gets standard free shipping, but if you select Express then you don't get it for free.

314woodstock8786
Oct 24, 10:13am Top

Great, well I didn't want to risk it and might have my books stuck in Dover for weeks on end.

315woodstock8786
Oct 24, 10:15am Top

Yes that is right, liking a certain piece of art is absolutely subjective. I just think that the whole letting the customers vote for an illustration and then not using that, but letting a jury decide on another, is plain confusing.

316davelin
Oct 24, 10:30am Top

Illustrations aside, for those who have read Phantom of the Opera, what is your take for those of us who haven't read it before and may just be familiar with the story from the musical?

317SF-72
Oct 24, 10:35am Top

>310 woodstock8786:

It's five books or more. I had the same problem with my online order and didn't receive the shipping discount at first. It wasn't connected to express shipping.The way it's written on their website, express shipping is an extra 11 Pounds on top of the 20 Pounds standard shipping which should have been free. In my case that standard shipping fee wasn't shown as free either, which is why I asked about this by email. FS refunded 20 Pounds, I paid the 11 to upgrade to express for the same reasons as you did.

318woodstock8786
Oct 24, 10:40am Top

Ah okay, thank you! I will just write an email to them and ask about it. Maybe they will refund them as well.

319folio_books
Oct 24, 10:51am Top

>316 davelin: what is your take for those of us who haven't read it before and may just be familiar with the story from the musical

I've half-read it twice and both times had to give up because I just couldn't get into the author's style. I can tell you this much, though - any similarity with the musical is entirely coincidental. Basically, it's set in an opera house and (plot spoiler coming) it's got a phantom in it. The names are the same. That's about it, really.

320Jayked
Oct 24, 11:12am Top

>316 davelin:
You can have a quick shuftie at Project Gutenberg. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/175/175-h/175-h.htm

321Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 24, 11:55am Top

>287 gatsby61:

etc.

We've been here before, haven't we?

If it's like last year, the PMAG2 discount only applies to old books, i.e., not the new or most recent releases.

But they didn't explain that clearly last time and it sounds like they haven't done so again.

Get on their case about it, they need to do better.

:-)

322PeterFitzGerald
Oct 24, 12:55pm Top

>321 Cat_of_Ulthar:

It'd be nice if the system told you the reason when you tried to use it: "Error: This discount code cannot be used on orders including books from the Christmas Collection" or what not.

323bookofcalm
Oct 24, 1:19pm Top

>294 devilsisland:

So I think what everyone hating on Confederacy is saying- they don't like yellow books. Or is it the strawberry banana combo you don't like? Something Wicked is one of my favourites!

324NLNils
Oct 24, 1:23pm Top

I’m impressed by the variety of this collection. A fortnight ago I ordered American Gods, Anansi Boys and I Am Legend with the then discount of £20 if your total was £150 or more. Three outstanding books added to the library and my #1 knocked off the wishlist (Gods)! I really appreciate the realignment of ROW and UK prices, paired with monetary discounts.

I added 9 books to the wishlist from this collection alone(!). None are pressing, and some are sale fodder, but for me FS got this one right. The books which are of most interest to me are the two latest Le Guin. I love the uniform size and consistent binding. Lupton is a illustrator who works for me, the illustrations being part of the text feels right. I never read her works, but at the price point (£36,95 per) I’m prepared to take the plunge. As my last order burned up my book buying budget, I’ll patiently wait for the New Year Sale and will do a combined order at that time. That is, if Brexit doesn’t ruin things for a while.

325SF-72
Oct 24, 1:30pm Top

>324 NLNils:

"I really appreciate the realignment of ROW and UK prices, paired with monetary discounts. "

So do I. I wouldn't have bought from them the way I have without this.

326HuxleyTheCat
Oct 24, 3:05pm Top

I had a feeling this would be a decent collection for me and indeed it is, with several books I will eventually buy. Maigret two was a very nice surprise, as any book which contains the wonderful work of Harry Brockway is always a welcome addition to my collection and here we have three. My aesthetic tastes are rather too conservative to be enamoured of Folio's efforts with The Phantom of the Opera or Confederacy of Dunces, but A Hero Born, The Dispossessed, Howl's Moving Castle and The Diversity of Life all look good. As with The Rubayiat, Folio appear to have done a wonderful job of converting the limited edition Alice in Wonderland to standard; I have the limited but could well be tempted by the smaller format. And then we come to Tales of Ancient Egypt, where I am rather torn. RLG's Robin Hood was so awful that I didn't think I'd ever even consider any more of his contributions to literature, but the illustrations are so wonderful in the new Folio that I don't know. I went as far as checking out some of the text via Amazon 'look inside' and the initial page or so was nowhere near as bad: more cogitation required.

>298 folio_books: "It seems Mr Big is a collector of Folio Society books" This idea of having an illustration containing Folio books strikes me as a little self-indulgent if I'm honest. When I'm reading I want to be immersed in the story, and the illustrations should, in my view, add to that immersion, not provide a distracting insider joke.

327folio_books
Oct 24, 4:24pm Top

>326 HuxleyTheCat: any book which contains the wonderful work of Harry Brockway is always a welcome addition to my collection and here we have three.

You might find yourself a little disappointed, as I was, to find the illustrations are few and far between. Well up to his usual standards but there is a distinct paucity.

>326 HuxleyTheCat: This idea of having an illustration containing Folio books strikes me as a little self-indulgent if I'm honest.

My jury is still out. It's certainly a little disconcerting, but it's also funny.

328Jason461
Oct 24, 4:33pm Top

I''m really confused by the design hate for Confederacy of Dunces. I don't even like the book, but the illustrations are, I think, incredibly appropriate for a book set in New Orleans in that particular time period.

329RATBAG.
Oct 24, 4:55pm Top

>301 treereader: Killed me with that. Thanks! lol

330RATBAG.
Oct 24, 4:57pm Top

So that 10% off is for old books only? Wish they'd had clarified this beforehand.

Let it be known from this moment forward that the mole shall now be referred to as...

Double-O-Mole.

331Czernobog
Oct 24, 5:09pm Top

>330 RATBAG.: I ordered four new books and used the PMAG2 discount successfully. Just double-checked my order.

332Sorion
Oct 24, 5:20pm Top

>328 Jason461: Illustrations being appropriate doesn't necessarily have anything to do with them being incredibly off putting and ugly. Similar to the AP Tristram Shandy. Some consider the art to be the perfect accompaniment to the written word but many find it horribly off putting and ugly(myself included).

http://www.librarything.com/topic/305832#6801309

333Jason461
Oct 24, 5:24pm Top

>332 Sorion: But, I mean, it's not like CoD is all pretty? I guess it's just weird to me that a group of literature buffs has so many people who think art needs to be conventionally pretty when accompanying in a text that is anything but. That's not a demand anyone here would ever make of a piece of literature.

334bookfair_e
Oct 24, 5:44pm Top

>330 RATBAG.: So that 10% off is for old books only?

I don’t think the 10% discount applies only to back-catalogue titles, it’s for any full-price books. My order was for new titles only - five books - all from this latest release which qualified for both free shipping and the 10% discount.

335Willoyd
Oct 24, 5:57pm Top

>333 Jason461:
I equally find it weird that anybody would want something ugly sitting on their bookshelves. Maybe we just have a different view of what is meant by ugly? I certainly wouldn't expect anything pretty for a book like CoD, but I would want something that appeals to my senses. This certainly doesn't.

336IgnatiusR
Oct 24, 6:20pm Top

>328 Jason461: Maybe, just maybe, it is because you "don't even like that book". The same way l coudn't care less about the illustrations of The Phantom of the Opera: for me it is immaterial whether they are good or not, as l dislike the book and would never buy it.

So, if several people, myself included, who have advocated for this particular book are not satisfied, maybe just maybe, we have a slightly better understanding of what an appropriate style would be.

And no, nobody is asking pretty drawings for A Confederacy of Dunces, but something more in line with the iconic illustration of Ignatius J. Reilly we all have seen. FFS, l could have even accepted perennial FS favourite Quentin Blake as the illustrator.... almost anything but this travestry well defined in the second paragraph of >296 LesMiserables:

337Lady19thC
Oct 24, 7:11pm Top

I think I am the only one who actually loves the artwork in Phantom and I can't wait to see it in person. I have a falling apart paperback only of phantom with a rose and the white mask on the front. Very Broadway. I love the Broadway version and the movies, but the book is quite different and I feel the artwork gives it that sort of that French twisted dark fairy-tale feel to it. In the book the phantom is quite ugly. He wears a full black mask, he has no lips, sunken eyes and no nose. His whole face is hideous and he really had no redeeming qualities. They also refer to him as the ghost....I think he is only referred to as the "phantom" once in the book, which I found interesting. Seeing Phantom come alive from a different perspective is fabulous and artistic. I don't want another cover and artwork that matches the Broadway productions. I want a different, darker, more twisted view. I think they accomplished that. I have been begging FS to do Phantom for over a decade now. I wouldn't dare turn it down! I'm also not a fan at all of EP or LoA so for FS to do one that I love has made me extremely happy. I hope a few others feel the same way.

338wcarter
Oct 24, 7:48pm Top

I really like the EP Phantom of the Opera and its illustrations, and enjoyed reading it despite the translation.
See -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/warwick_carter/48012435687/in/photolist-2g9Ghpi-R7...

339Jason461
Oct 24, 9:06pm Top

>336 IgnatiusR: I mean, maybe? I love Catch-22. I don't care for the Folio illustrations, but I don't hate them the way many here seem to. It feels like (and maybe I'm wrong) people have expectations about what they think a book should look like and if those expectations aren't met, they react pretty forcefully. That's not really how I operate.

340kcshankd
Oct 24, 9:59pm Top

>339 Jason461:

Having recently re-read C of D, I am struck by the difference between 'ugly' and 'I don't care for it'.

If any work of fiction 'deserves' ugly, aesthetically, it is this one, in my opinion. That great signifier of popular opinion, Wikipedia, notes: "His (Ignatius) mockery of obscene images is portrayed as a defensive posture to hide their titillating effect on him."

The illustrations on the Folio page seem directly on topic to me...

If money were no object I would be replacing my worn copy with this new version. Alas... need to check with mom or sell some hot dogs.

341LesMiserables
Oct 25, 12:26am Top

Subjectivity is one thing but presenting a patently ars gratia artis collection of what only be described as kitsch, should belong elsewhere; certainly not in increasingly expensive editions.

342Sorion
Oct 25, 12:31am Top

>337 Lady19thC: You aren’t alone I love it as well. Of all the releases this time this is the one I’m most interested in physically. I haven’t read the book so can’t speak to the text only the physical object.

343bookofcalm
Oct 25, 5:51am Top

>333 Jason461:

I agree - the guy rolls around farting and eating hot dogs and generally behaving in a crass exaggerated manner throughout the book. So it is maybe a little bit of a different vibe from Fagles' Odyssey or Little Dorrit. It's 1963 New Orleans so let's enjoy the local colour! Personally I think the spine and slipcase look especially great.

344Kainzow
Oct 25, 8:39am Top

>339 Jason461:
I agree. I don't even think it looks that bad.
For my part, I'm always interested in seeing how an artist interprets a story I've read.
If it suits my liking, then good. If it doesn't, I will still study the illustrations to better understand his perspective.
Anyway, I like the freedom Folio gives to the artists; they give guidelines, but that's about it. This element of surprise is one of the many things that make Folio books fascinating.
I've never not bought a book based on the illustrations only.

345N11284
Oct 25, 9:33am Top

>333 Jason461:
"I guess it's just weird to me that a group of literature buffs has so many people who think art needs to be conventionally pretty when accompanying in a text that is anything but."

I'm not sure where the reference to literature buffs comes from , but for me personally I come here because I like FS editions and like to hear what others have to say about them.

In fact I'm anything but a literature buff and if you visit my catalogue you will see what a mix it contains.

I have the Penguin classics edition of CoD and love the book for it's content. I was eagerly awaiting this edition but as I said earlier it's not for me , mainly because I find the illustrations to garish.

346hamletscamaro
Oct 25, 9:41am Top

>330 RATBAG.:, >331 Czernobog:, re. the 10% discount: mine worked on all my books, older and newer books. This included 2 titles from the Christmas collection. However, as I am in the US and already paying ROW pricing, maybe they don't care since the prices are already way higher than the exchange rate. Granted, I did get the free shipping as well, where some of that extra money goes, and as long as I don't care when I see my books, then I save a few dollars.

347podaniel
Oct 25, 9:55am Top

I have a hard time thinking of FS editions that were totally off-putting in terms of illustrations (confession: I have already ordered Phantom of the Opera and A Confederacy of Dunces--and, worse yet, actually read the FS edition of Something Wicked This Way Comes and thoroughly enjoyed the book and the illustrations).

Actually, I can think of one--the FS LE of James Joyce's Ulysses (not the recently published one with wonderfully-apt illustrations). Basically, the LE's "cartoons" were just a series of simple stick figures framed by mono-colored abstracted forms. Yuck (I still bought it, though, because it was published on the 100th anniversary of Bloomsday).

348HuxleyTheCat
Oct 25, 11:32am Top

>327 folio_books: "You might find yourself a little disappointed, as I was, to find the illustrations are few and far between"

The brochure (I nearly typed prospectus there for a moment, silly me) claims fifteen including frontispieces in total over 472 pages, which I don't think is too bad a page to illustration ratio; it seems about average, particularly when considering how much work goes into each one.

349Czernobog
Oct 25, 12:54pm Top

>347 podaniel: "I have a hard time thinking of FS editions that were totally off-putting in terms of illustrations"

I know Quentin Blake is a well liked illustrator, but I skipped the Riddley Walker because I didn't like the visuals. However it's more often the other way around: the design and/or illustrations make be buy a book I might otherwise not have bought, f.e. The Sound and the Fury LE.

350Mr.Fox
Oct 25, 4:23pm Top

I purchased and enjoyed Something Wicked This Way Comes. The artwork and overall design choices were as nightmarish and garish as I would expect when accompanying a story about a Satanic carnival.

351Pellias
Oct 25, 6:28pm Top

Wishlist are growing for me .. waiting for the right moment to narrow it down >350 Mr.Fox: I also like the look of that one, and will be in my next basket. Will pass my final verdict on it when i see it on the shelf

352overthemoon
Edited: Oct 26, 4:40am Top

Suprised myself by sending in an order: Howl's Moving Castle, An Omelette and a glass of wine (the E.David that was missing from my collection), and two copies of Alice as it suddenly occurred to me that it would make a nice gift.
And the discount code worked - almost compensated the postage.

353wcarter
Oct 27, 6:23am Top

The catalogues for the 2019 Christmas Collection, and the 2019 Children's Christmas Catalogue have been uploaded to the FSD wiki here.

354NLNils
Oct 27, 10:20am Top

>353 wcarter: You have my gratitude as always.

355Cat_of_Ulthar
Oct 27, 12:47pm Top

>287 gatsby61:, >289 bookfair_e:, >322 PeterFitzGerald:

I have just placed my order and the code worked for me although I had not placed an order from the September collection so that's apparently not one of the conditions. And it clearly works on new books as others have already said.

So I am puzzled as to why the code is not working for some people.

A website issue, perhaps, or are some countries excluded?

But it would be good if the system offered an explanation. I'm sure the coders could set something up.

356wcarter
Edited: Oct 27, 11:40pm Top

Thanks to rampkr (aka Kevin of Essex), the indices to all the prospectuses and catalogues produced by the FS since 1947 have now been updated on the FSD wiki here.

Kevin has made indices that cover over 1700 FS books, that enable you to find in which catalogue/prospectus they appear, and then you can download that document.

To use these, go first to the Prospectus and Catalogue Index of Indices at the top of the Prospectus/Catalogue list, and find in which decade the book you are searching appears, then go to the index at the start of each decade to find out exactly which prospectus/catalogue features the book. Then click on that prospectus/catalogue in the list to download it.

Kevin has done all the collating, I have merely uploaded it to the FSD wiki.

357sdolton
Oct 28, 12:08am Top

Thank you both very much

358SF-72
Oct 28, 12:15am Top

Thank you very much for doing all this work.

359IgnatiusR
Oct 28, 4:40am Top

Brilliant. Many thanks

360NLNils
Oct 28, 4:59am Top

🙌

361RATBAG.
Oct 28, 12:25pm Top

Thank you, Kevin! Very much appreciate it all!

362fiascoborelli
Oct 28, 2:23pm Top

Thank you Kevin and Warwick!

363LesMiserables
Oct 28, 3:56pm Top

I concur, a sterling effort.
I do wish though that Christmas be spelled with Christ, not X.

364folio_books
Oct 28, 4:00pm Top

>363 LesMiserables:

He doesn't fit in the box.

365Mr.Fox
Oct 28, 5:33pm Top

>363 LesMiserables:

The X in Xmas is a Greek chi, the first letter in Χριστός (Christ). That initial is often used as an abbreviation for Christ.

366sdolton
Oct 28, 5:43pm Top

Was able to use both the 10% discount and the free shipping offer on my order; Keegan title from the Sept 18 release, other four titles backlist. Lessened the damage.

367clymbouris
Oct 28, 8:27pm Top

For those who are intrigued by "A Hero Born" but have little idea what's it about you might like this this article.

368wcarter
Edited: Oct 28, 8:59pm Top

>367 clymbouris:
Fascinating!
Now I'll have to add this to my nextorder.

369folio_books
Oct 31, 8:04am Top

I can't decide where to place this post but it's definitely not worthy of a new thread so I'll settle for "not the Christmas Collection" instead. To quote from one of my favourite movies:

Could be?
Who knows?
There's something due any day
I will know, right away
Soon as it shows

"Something's Coming", West Side Story.

How do I know? Call it Spidey-sense.

I'll take my medication now.

370Emily_Jones51
Oct 31, 9:46am Top

Does anyone know how the Free shipping works; does it work if you apply the PMAG 10% discount?

371davelin
Oct 31, 9:52am Top

>370 Emily_Jones51: I placed five books in my cart and when I went to checkout, the standard shipping option was free. I am in the U.S. for whatever it's worth.

372Emily_Jones51
Oct 31, 1:42pm Top

Great! Thank you; I will try it out then. Also, can you only use the code once!?

373RRCBS
Oct 31, 1:57pm Top

>372 Emily_Jones51: think so...I tried to use it a second time and it didn’t work online. Not sure if my order is a good idea so haven’t tried calling in :)

374folio_books
Nov 1, 10:18am Top

>369 folio_books: Something's Coming

And lo, here it is. A rather unexpected LE https://www.foliosociety.com/uk/doctor-zhivago.html

Looks lovely but not one for me.

375Redshirt
Nov 1, 10:25am Top

>374 folio_books: Amazing prediction. Would you happen to know the winning numbers in tonight’s New York lottery? Or have you just been having cocktails with the mole?

376Willoyd
Nov 1, 10:27am Top

>374 folio_books:

Looks lovely but not one for me.
Indeed - good to see them reverting to rather more understated elegance, and the translation/illustrations look interesting. My one regret is that it's yet another rehashed classic (of a book I already have in FS edition), but suppose that the fact that it is an LE justifies that to a large extent.

377folio_books
Nov 1, 10:30am Top

>375 Redshirt: Amazing prediction.

Thank you. Not so much a prediction, I must confess, though I swear nary a cocktail has passed my lips. I would advise you to give a wide berth to anything I might have to say about the New York lottery.

378folio_books
Nov 1, 10:44am Top

>376 Willoyd: good to see them reverting to rather more understated elegance

That's the main thing that struck me - it looks like a proper Folio book. If I didn't already have the standard edition I might have given it more thought but it's a lot of money for a book I was never terribly impressed by. My main impression is this doesn't look to me like a huge/fast seller, so maybe I'll have a chance to reconsider if it lasts as long as the 2021 LE sale.

379Willoyd
Nov 1, 1:45pm Top

>378 folio_books:
but it's a lot of money for a book I was never terribly impressed by.
Can only agree.

380Sorion
Nov 1, 2:21pm Top

Just purchased Montaigne and the Blue fairy book from the Christmas collection. In addition to the Dr. Zhivago, Velveteen rabbit and The House at Pooh Corner. Thus ends my Christmas shopping.

Blue Fairy is a gift for my 8 year old daughter who loves the Lang fairy books and Pooh Corner is for my 10 year old daughter who loves Winnie the Pooh. Actually let me rephrase that. Blue Fairy is a gift for my 8 year old daughter who loves Charles Van Sandwyk.

381podaniel
Nov 1, 3:30pm Top

>379 Willoyd:

Ditto. Pasternak makes Dickens look like a piker when it comes to ridiculous coincidences.

382coynedj
Edited: Nov 1, 4:21pm Top

>381 podaniel: - If you want ridiculous coincidences, just read Ben Hur. It was laughable - there was an amazing coincidence/meeting on every page, I think.

383Emily_Jones51
Nov 1, 4:48pm Top

Does anyone know if any of the Lang Fairy Books / Ordinary Fairy Tale books are on the endangered Folio list?

384RRCBS
Edited: Nov 2, 7:39am Top

I received my Christmas collection books and here are my thoughts:

True Grit, Howl’s Moving Castle - very nice
Alice - a totally unnecessary purchase but very happy, gorgeous
Bond - very nice as always
Phantom - gorgeous and I love the design
A Hero Born - the inside illustrations are gorgeous, but the covers are an ugly shiny laminate...very disappointed because I had pictured a totally different material and this reminds me of high school textbooks

385SF-72
Nov 2, 10:14am Top

A question to those who received The Phantom of the Opera: I'm admittedly a bit sensitive in that regard, but I find the smell of my copy rather unpleasant / chemical. That's an extremely rare occurrence with FS. Do you have the same problem? The rest of my order was absolutely fine, as usual.

I do like the metallic A Hero Born, by the way, but it's also clear that it's extremely sensitive / easily damaged. It already had fine scratches in the metal layers the first time I pulled it from the slipcase. This can only get worse.

386Czernobog
Nov 2, 11:04am Top

>385 SF-72: It smells like fresh paint to me. Doesn't bother me at all. Maybe leave it outside the slipcase for a while?

387bookfair_e
Edited: Nov 2, 11:13am Top

>385 SF-72: A question to those who received The Phantom of the Opera: I'm admittedly a bit sensitive in that regard, but I find the smell of my copy rather unpleasant / chemical.

Yes, a very strong chemical odour which I assume to be from the dye/ink used on the text block edges. The smell has faded a little these past few days but lingers noticeably. I expect it will disappear altogether before long.

388SF-72
Nov 2, 12:09pm Top

>386 Czernobog:
>387 bookfair_e:

Thank you, I'll try airing it outside the slipcase and hope that will help. Years of allergies have made things like this chemical smell oozing from the book rather problematic for me, it caused trouble with my lungs just from looking through it.

389Czernobog
Edited: Nov 2, 12:30pm Top

Speaking of The Phantom of the Opera, there's a blog post up on the Folio site where the artist, Taylor Dolan, gives a behind the scenes account of how the illustrations came to be. Interesting read.

390NLNils
Nov 2, 12:43pm Top

>389 Czernobog: Thanks! Good blog! Learned a thing or two about the design process of this book and illustrations in general.

391sviswanathan
Nov 3, 8:27pm Top

It's been a little while since I've posted here, and I was thinking of purchasing The Diversity of Life from the new collection, along with one from my wish list that I hadn't yet purchased, the three volume Captain Cook journal set. In any case, my question is about the Wilson book, The Diversity of Life. The binding is described as "soft-touch laminated paper." I'm not familiar with that description, so I was curious if anyone had received the book and could provide some comments on the binding. Thank you.

392Cat_of_Ulthar
Nov 4, 2:56am Top

>391 sviswanathan:

I ordered The Diversity of Life. I'm not sure what they mean by 'soft' because it feels as solid as other paper covered books, at least to my fingers. It's not like your fingers sink into it as if it's rubber or anything like that.

Unless perhaps they are referring to the texture: the paper feels very smooth to me, with no discernible texture to it unlike, say, this year's diary.

They have used some sort of varnish or metallic ink in places to give the insects an iridescent sheen, which is a nice effect.

393overthemoon
Edited: Nov 4, 5:48am Top

My books arrived - that was the quickest delivery ever (from Spain).
Very pleased with Alice in Wonderland and Howl's Moving Castle, both delightful.
And An Omelette and a Glass of Wine, another for my E David collection, also looks fantastic, a far cry from my ancient Penguin paperback. But it will not go near the kitchen.

The Diary follows the same model as last year's, with one image at the start of each month, and banners from the same image across the top of the week double-page spreads, which makes it boring. It was much better when there was a picture on every left-hand page.

394RRCBS
Nov 4, 7:05am Top

So I placed by Christmas order, got 6 books, chose not to order A Confederacy of Dunces because I didn’t think I would like the book. Further research has raised doubts and all the talk about the design (even though mostly negative!) has made me really want to buy it!

395sviswanathan
Nov 4, 7:12am Top

>392 Cat_of_Ulthar: Thank you! It sounds like a nice binding. I appreciate it.

396overthemoon
Nov 6, 2:45am Top

I just noticed something: on my Despatch Note, all the values are given as 0. Is this a mistake, or a cunning plan devised to confound customs control?

397Sorion
Nov 6, 2:43pm Top

I have just taken possesion of Montaigne's Essays. I was quite surprised as upon first handling I found the size a little oddly proportioned and the decoration of the cover a little on the nose. Opening it however I can only say it is a fantastic volume. It is surely the finest edition that FS have produced of Montaigne and likely the finest that has been produced by any of the fine or private presses. The Allen Press volume will clearly be superior in many artistic ways but this volume in it's subtle details and proverbs like presentation has it beat with it's overall quality when translation is taken into account. The red page numbers on every page are a nice little treat. The selection on brief inspection seems very fair and includes most of the high notes. I think one could study this volume and feel very comfortable saying that have indeed read Montaigne. A real surprise and a real success on FS part.

398terebinth
Nov 6, 2:57pm Top

>397 Sorion: surely the finest edition that FS have produced of Montaigne

Well, there have only been two, and for anybody who either wants or is content with a modern translation, and wants or is content with a selection of the essays, this will probably be the more welcome of the two. I can't say it's evident to me that it's the finer, then I'd still not be a customer if it were bound in full goatskin and printed letterpress on laid paper.

399Sorion
Nov 6, 3:59pm Top

>398 terebinth: True there have only been two. Perhaps not necessarily the meaning I was trying to convey there.

400Dr.Fiddy
Nov 7, 10:03am Top

I just received my copy of Montaigne's Essays as well. I totally agree with >397 Sorion: this is a fantastic volume. I'm sure the previous, three volume, edition is fine too, but I'm really happy I got this one :)

401coynedj
Nov 7, 11:31am Top

Tracking says I'll get my books, including Montaigne's Essays, a week from today. These early reports are making me very eager to have it in my hands!

402dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 7, 2:22pm Top

>397 Sorion:

FWIW, there IS a finer private press edition than the new FS volume and it is not well known. It is the large paper edition de luxe 5-volume set published by the Navarre Society in 1923 (London) in an edition of 150 copies, published in full vellum bindings over stiff boards with gilt ruling and lettering and marbled endpapers. The letterpress printing was done at the Riverside Press of Edinburgh from a font specially cast, then printed on an Arnold's British handmade paper specially made and watermarked for the Navarre Society. Copper engraved portraits of Montaigne are use as the frontispiece in each of the five volumes. In addition to the complete essays, this set also include 'A Sketch of the Life of Montaigne' and the Letters of Montaigne, 105 additional pages in all.

The translation strikes a middle ground between the classic 16th century John Florio translation (dreadful) and the recent modern 20th century translations by Donald Frame and Prof. M.A. Screech. The Navarre edition uses the 17th century translation by Charles Cotton which was extensively edited (modernized) by William Carew Hazlitt in 1877. Although only about one hundred years separate the older Florio and Cotton translations, the Cotton is (imho) far superior and more approachable to the modern reader, much more so following the Hazlitt revision in 1877.

The new FS edition is most welcome because the Screech translation is excellent and it is probably the most accessible to 21st century readers. I also appreciate the abridged edition (yes, I know - blasphemy!) in which a knowledgeable editor cherrypicks the best essays to result in a readable volume that is a pleasure to hold. The Cotton/Hazlitt translation requires a bit more work to wade through but it is poetical and a nice alternative to the Screech.

403kdweber
Nov 7, 10:09pm Top

Just received my copy of A Hero Born. Oops, I didn't look at the description carefully. It's bound completely in shiny paper like my poorly bound college texts of yesteryear. You know, the type of binding that comes apart by the end of the term.

404Sorion
Edited: Nov 8, 1:44am Top

>402 dlphcoracl: Oy ve. Just what I didn’t need to hear! I will be looking for this. Obsess on.

405wdripp
Edited: Nov 8, 3:27pm Top

My order arrived today. Five books in a medium sized box in good condition, no bag, from FedEx. All books undamaged and there was plenty of paper packed around them which kept them snug.

Initial thoughts on the new releases:

Alice: very nice but perhaps a bit underwhelming since I have the LE

True Grit: a nice, standard Folio and I quite like the illustrations

A Hero Born: like others I had a visceral reaction to the binding which was unpleasant and much too like textbooks, but I like the design

From the back catalog:

Anglo-Saxons: a welcome edition to the series, but I would have preferred to pay less and do without the companion volume (and the gilt topped pages)

Moby Dick: love the wood block illustrations and the font size is easy on the eyes, this may be my favorite of the bunch

My Moby Dick is a 6th printing with a revised binding. Wondering what the revision was and find myself really wishing I had a Folio75 or whatever we’re up to now to consult.

406NLNils
Nov 8, 2:02pm Top

>405 wdripp: As far as I know it points to the new cover for this edition of Moby Dick relative to the LE. That should be the fifth printing, but I can’t check as I own only the Fine edition.

407Mr.Fox
Nov 8, 3:07pm Top

I received my order and I’m not sure that A Hero Born is going to hold up well over time. All the textbook comparisons are spot on. It’s going to show every scratch. I’m nervous about taking it in and out of the slipcase.

408wdripp
Nov 8, 3:26pm Top

>406 NLNils: Hm. I don't have many LEs (only 2) but I guess I assumed there would be more of a difference between the LE and fine edition of Moby Dick (more than just the binding, I mean).

409dlphcoracl
Edited: Nov 8, 4:53pm Top

>404 Sorion:

FYI: Below are a series of photographs of the 5-volume deluxe large paper edition of 'Essays of Montaigne' published by the Navarre Society (1923). The opening pages of several essays from Book One are included to help the FSD assess the nature of the translation. There are numerous glosses and footnotes on nearly every page which I find obtrusive and, for the most part, unnecessary and I have ignored them while reading the essays.

P.S. For FSD purists who believe this post belongs on the LT Fine Press Forum, the pages which demonstrate the nature of the Charles Cotton/William Carew Hazlitt translation are still relevant since this translation remains a mainstay widely read in the 21st century.























410ironjaw
Nov 9, 5:24am Top

Thank you for posting this. I always value other opinions and these pictures are beautiful.

411NLNils
Nov 11, 1:34pm Top

>353 wcarter: Hi Warwick. I’ve downloaded the Christmas catalogue and I found that some scans are blurred. Specifically from page 23 ‘till page 45. Is this unique to me, or did something go wrong? Any help would be appreciated.

412folio_books
Nov 11, 2:59pm Top

>411 NLNils:

The scanning of all the prospectuses/catalogues is down to me. I've had a look and I agree with you, though I can't identify the specific problem. The only thing I recall is being in a raging hurry while I was doing it. Anyway, thanks for pointing it out. I'll see if doing it again from scratch will make a difference. It'll be tomorrow at the earliest, though.

413wcarter
Nov 11, 7:04pm Top

>411 NLNils:
These scans are always a compromise. If you scan at high quality (300dpi) the document (particularly a 76 page one like this) takes ages to load. Lower quality means a slightly blurred image but faster loading.

I could scan my copy, which i have now received, but all the prices would be in Australian Dollars, and I suspect the rest of the world prefers Sterling even if they are not in the UK, as they would be more likely to know the conversion rate.

Once Glenn (folio_books) has sent me the scans, I will upload them and replace the link on the FSD wiki.

414NLNils
Nov 12, 12:31am Top

>412 folio_books: >413 wcarter: Thanks for the quick responses! I don’t mind a slight out of focus, but when I zoom in I still must be able to read the text. It’s not just for me, but for everyone else who uses the Wiki now and in the future as reference. I have all the prospectuses (from 1978) on my phone and this is the first time I noticed this, so it’s not due to being a high or low dpi scan. The work you two put in is invaluable and ever appreciated as such!

415folio_books
Nov 12, 11:56am Top

>413 wcarter:
>414 NLNils:

Uploading the scans for Warwick now. I've been without the internet all day. Just got it back minutes ago.

416Lady19thC
Nov 12, 1:12pm Top

Personally, right now I am feeling sick to my stomach. Both my orders, which comes to well over 500.00 has been delivered to the wrong address in a town several towns over and FedEx won't do anything about it because the address was not mine, even though it was when I placed the order and FS has the correct address. I don't even know how 2 orders placed and shipped on separate days can get mixed up like that. Also, my name was correct, just not the address, so now some jerk has my books and wasn't honest enough to give them back to FedEx to have them find the correct person. I am furious. I called FS and now have to wait for them to contact me because it is such a detailed problem that they can't just mail out two new orders until we figure out what happened. I hope they replace them. I cannot afford to lose out on 500.00+ dollars or replace them myself.

Some were supposed to be my birthday presents from my husband, which is in 2 weeks. A few I was keeping. The rest were going to be Christmas presents from hubby to me. Now I have nothing. I'm literally in tears. If this is the tracking situation, I wish we didn't have it. What a nightmare.

417Czernobog
Edited: Nov 12, 1:43pm Top

>416 Lady19thC: Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it will be sorted out before your birthday. From my own experience and what I've read on here, there is one certainty and that is you will get your books eventually, probably sooner than later.

418RATBAG.
Nov 12, 1:36pm Top

>416 Lady19thC: This is extremely sad to hear and as book lovers, I imagine we can all empathize.

I have good faith that Folio will do the right thing and replace them, they've replaced two expensive orders that went missing a long while a back and were happy to do so.

Keep us posted, please.

419Sorion
Nov 12, 1:46pm Top

>416 Lady19thC: That is really frustrating but as >418 RATBAG.: said take heart FS customer service is usually pretty fantastic.

420Lady19thC
Nov 12, 1:47pm Top

>417 Czernobog:
>418 RATBAG.:

I don't even understand how this can happen. But how can the people who accepted it be so dishonest? It had my name on it. They certainly were not expecting 2 boxes of books from FS. If it had been me I would have immediately contacted FedEx to pick it up and redirect it as it did not belong to me. If I could figure out who it did belong to, I would drop it off at their house if they lived within half an hour to deliver it straight to them so they would not be distressed and wondering where their package was. I once had clothes that were delivered to someone on the other side of town. They opened it, took the clothes out of the packaging, tried them on!!! And all the while, the name and address was mine. Their road was similarly named, but not exact. They didn't care. They just claimed the package like it was their right. UPS got it back but I told the company, they resent me fresh clothes and I donated the others to charity. Unbelievable.

421treereader
Nov 12, 4:30pm Top

>420 Lady19thC:

Is there any chance that they simply haven't opened the packages or have been too busy to deal with their return? If they did contact FS or FedEx about the mistake, how long might it take before a return label is sent to them?

In any event, I empathize with you and hope for a quick resolution.

422Forthwith
Nov 12, 10:52pm Top

There is also the possibility that the package(s) were stolen from the porch. That has been happening more these days. They just follow the delivery trucks and snatch the packages.

423Lady19thC
Nov 12, 10:55pm Top

>421 treereader:

I honestly don't know. They received one package one day, the other one today. Neither have been returned to FedEx and in talking to FedEx, they didn't really seem to care. While my name was correct, the address was for the other town, with some other street and a completely different zip code. I have no idea how that happened and with both packages, but it did. They consider themselves as having done right because they delivered the packages to the address that was on the label. Apparently an FS customer lives there? I can't think how anyone would have got a different address, but how it got mixed up with my name is beyond me. I don't understand it, but at least I have proof from the printouts of FedEx that indeed this is the situation.

I, too, hope it is sorted out. Every year for my birthday and Christmas I pick out a bunch of FS books and my husband chooses what to give me for my birthday and what to save for Christmas. This will need a miracle to be sorted out before my birthday now, being only 2 weeks away. :(

424Lady19thC
Nov 12, 10:57pm Top

>422 Forthwith:
No, they were delivered to a different town. The tracking provided and the chat with FedEx confirmed that. We already know that. Nothing came to this town and we are home all day looking out the front window. I'm home, husband works from home. No one steals here. I am too rural and in a private road.

425treereader
Nov 12, 11:01pm Top

>423 Lady19thC:

If the books are indeed irretrievably gone, and if Folio Society and FedEx can't help, perhaps you can report the loss to your credit card...they may already be insuring your purchases on their own and can reimburse you. Many do, now.

426ironjaw
Edited: Yesterday, 7:00am Top

And if you have evidence to prove that fedex has delivered to a wrong address raise a civil claim against them for the value. That’ll get them moving as it’ll get passed down to the driver who probably is a contractor driver and won’t do it again

427Lady19thC
Yesterday, 10:52am Top

Update! Folio Society emailed me whilst I was sleeping due to the time difference.

They were able to track exactly where the boxes went and admit they are as baffled as I am as to why the address on both orders kept my name but generated a completely different address, town and zip code, none that are even remotely similar to mine. FS has sent out replacement orders for both via a different carrier and express delivery. I am so hoping they will make it here for my birthday and in perfect condition. These books are not cheap!!

I also hope they are able to retrieve the other 2 boxes and have those returned to them. This is the most bizarre incident I have ever had in ordering anything, be it in country or across the pond.

I'll let everyone know when they arrive!

428coynedj
Yesterday, 10:59am Top

>427 Lady19thC: Excellent news indeed! FS customer service comes through again.

429RATBAG.
Yesterday, 12:20pm Top

>427 Lady19thC: Great news! I'm glad to hear this.

Folio always come through. :)

430sdawson
Yesterday, 7:52pm Top

My Christmas selection arrived. I kindof miss the old white sacks, but 5 books arrived in fine shape all the way to Oregon, USA.

Thanks Jurga for the great packaging.

The Dispossessed
True Grit
Live and Let Die
Working
Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
and
Diary 2020 + 2020 Magazine.

431hamletscamaro
Yesterday, 10:53pm Top

My Texas bound order finally made it today as well. A slightly larger order than normal, some from the Christmas collection and a few from my wish list.

Live and Let Die
Alice in Wonderland
How to See Fairies
The Anglo Saxons
The Bayeux Tapestry
The Red House Mystery
British Library Crime Classics (6 book collection)

A decent haul that will keep me reading for a bit.

432coynedj
Today, 3:32pm Top

My Box of Delights arrived yesterday, and it certainly was filled with delights, expertly packed by Erika. Despite my reservations about A Hero Born given the notes on this thread about the cover, I didn't find it to be as bad as feared. Not my ideal choice, but I tend to be rather accomodative of small annoyances - I'm on public record as welcoming Emily Jones, after all.

As for the others, Kindred, True Grit, and Oryx and Crake are splendid-looking volumes that I'm looking forward to reading. Montaigne's Essays and Marco Polo's Travels both go beyond the splendid and I can now see why they're held in such high regard. My favorite might be The Diversity of Life, which is not only copiously illustrated but it also is focused on a message that I am in strong agreement with (confirmation bias is a powerful thing). I am very happy with my purchases.

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