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NOVEMBER ROOT - Progress Thread


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Apples, pecans,cranberries, pumpkins, - which do you choose? It's harvest time in the Northern hemisphere so that many great fruits and nuts are coming in season, so what do you choose as the Dessert of the month? Most of these ingredients can be found in pies and tarts whether separate or in combination, so PIES AND TARTS it is!

A pie is a baked dish which is usually made of a pastry dough casing that completely contains a filling of various sweet or savoury ingredients. Sweet pies may be filled with fruit (as in an apple pie), nuts (pecan pie), brown sugar (sugar pie) or sweetened vegetables (rhubarb pie).

Pies are defined by their crusts. A filled pie (also single-crust or bottom-crust), has pastry lining the baking dish, and the filling is placed on top of the pastry but left open. A top-crust pie has the filling in the bottom of the dish and is covered with a pastry or other covering before baking. A two-crust pie has the filling completely enclosed in the pastry shell. Shortcrust pastry is a typical kind of pastry used for pie crusts, but many things can be used, including baking powder biscuits, mashed potatoes, and crumbs.

Pies can be a variety of sizes, ranging from bite-size to ones designed for multiple servings.

Ancient Greeks are believed to have originated pie pastry. In the plays of Aristophanes (5th century BC), there are mentions of sweetmeats including small pastries filled with fruit. Nothing is known of the actual pastry used, but the Greeks certainly recognized the trade of pastry-cook as distinct from that of baker. (When fat is added to a flour-water paste it becomes a pastry.)

The first unequivocal reference to pie in a written source is in the 14th century (Oxford English Dictionary sb pie). The eating of mince pies during festive periods is a tradition that dates back to the 13th century, as the returning Crusaders brought pie recipes containing "meats, fruits and spices". Medieval England had an early form of sweet pies, but they were called tarts and fruit pies were unsweetened, because sugar was a rare and costly "symbol of wealth". In the Middle Ages, a pie could have a number of items as its filling, but a pastry would only have a single filling.

The Pilgrim fathers and early settlers brought their pie recipes with them to America, adapting to the ingredients and techniques available to them in the New World. Settlers favored pies over bread because pies required less flour and did not require a brick bread oven, and because any mixture of ingredients could be added to pies to "stretch" their "meager provisions". The apple pie made with American apples became popular, because apples were easy to dry and store in barrels over the winter. Early American pies had thick, heavy crusts made with rough flour and suet. As pioneers spread westward, pies continued to be an important supply of food. Pies became more refined with subsequent waves of immigrants; the Pennsylvania Dutch contributed a more aromatic, spiced, and less-sweet style of pie-making; the French brought the approach of making pie with butter and a range of tart, galette and pate. In the northern states, pumpkin pie was popular, as pumpkins were plentiful. Once the British had established Caribbean colonies, sugar became less expensive and more widely available, which meant that sweet pies could be readily made. Molasses was popular in American pies due to the rum and slave trade with the Caribbean Islands, although maple syrup was an important sweetener in Northern states, after Indigenous people taught settlers how to tap maple trees and boil down the sap. In the Midwest, cheese and cream pies were popular, due to the availability of big dairy farms. In the US south, African-Americans enjoyed sweet potato pies, due to the widespread availability of this type of potato.

By the 1870s, the new science of nutrition led to criticism of pies, notably by Sarah Tyson Rorer, a cooking teacher and food editor who warned the public about how much energy pies take to digest. Rorer stated that all pie crusts "...are to be condemned" and her cookbook only included an apple tart, jelly and meringue-covered crackers, pate, and a "hygienic pie" which had "apple slices or a pumpkin custard baked in biscuit dough". In 1866, Harper's Magazine included an article by C.W. Gesner that stated that although we "...cry for pie when we are infants", "Pie kills us finally", as the "heavy crust" cannot be digested. Another factor that decreased the popularity of pies was industrialization and increasing movement of women into the labour market, which changed pie making from a weekly ritual to an "occasional undertaking" on special occasions.

In the 1950s, after WWII, the popularity of pies rebounded in the US, especially with commercial food inventions such as instant pudding mixes, Cool Whip topping, and Jello gelatin (which could be used as fillings) ready-made crusts, which were sold frozen, and alternative crusts made with crushed potato chips. There was a pie renaissance in the 1980s, when old-fashioned pie recipes were rediscovered and a wide range of cross-cultural pies were explored.

Whether we are in the mood for a simple delicious apple pie or pumpkin custard or Southern Pecan Pie, there's something for everyone! Have you a favorite or a combination you've never tried? How about a Cranberry Apple Tart or a Cranberry-Pumpkin Praline Pie? What is your favorite pie?

Well, we almost made it to our goal. Definitely, next month! We are soooo close!

Adjustments were made last month reducing the group goal by removing those that were not actively participating - no ROOTS in the last 6 months. There were 15 members removed with a total of 519 ROOTS pledged. Now those of us that are really reading our own tomes can see our progress.

Percentages were calculated and a star awarded for those on target to reach their goals. More stars for farther toward their goal.
If anyone's number is incorrect, please let me know and I will make the necessary adjustments.
So go out there and dig those ROOTs.

alexa_d★ 112 / 90 124.4%
Ameise1★ 16 / 10 160.0%
aspirit 1 / 9 11.1%
BENITA★ 76 / 55 138.2%
bragan 63 / 80 78.8%
brakketh 19 / 30 63.3%
Caramellunacy 9 / 12 75.0%
ChelleBearss 11 / 30 36.7%
clue★ 36 / 30 120.0%
Coach_of_Alva 52 / 75 69.3%
connie53★ 44 / 36 122.2%
crazy4reading 19 / 38 50.0%
curioussquared 36 / 50 72.0%
CurrerBell 29 / 100 29.0%
cyderry★ 112 / 84 133.3%
detailmuse 36 / 44 ★ 81.8%
DisassemblyOfReason 54 / 75 72.0%
enemyanniemae★ 60 / 50 120.0%
Erratic_Charmer★ 44 / 30 146.7%
FAMeulstee★ 176 / 150 117.3%
Familyhistorian★ 80 / 65 123.1%
floremolla 42 / 60 70.0%
fuzzi★ 113 / 100 113.0%
HelenBaker 46 / 54 ★ 85.2%
Henrik_Madsen★ 46 / 40 115.0%
h-mb 13 / 20 65.0%
humouress 17 / 30 56.7%
ILuvBookplates 2 / 10 20.0%
Jackie_K★ 70 / 48 145.8%
johanna414 13 / 25 52.0%
kac522 35 / 40 ★ 87.5%
karenmarie★ 47 / 45 104.4%
Kristelh 38 / 50 76.0%
KWharton 9 / 14 64.3%
LadyBookworth★ 12 / 12 100.0%
LadyoftheLodge★ 100 / 100 100.0%
LauraBrook★ 100 / 100 100.0%
leslie.98 72 / 100 72.0%
lilisin★ 80 / 50 160.0%
lindapanzo★ 47 / 36 130.6%
lkernagh 13 / 15 ★ 86.7%
LoraShouse 19 / 20 ★★ 95.0%
madhatter22 13 / 25 52.0%
Majkia★ 91 / 50 182.0%
mandymarie20★ 16 / 10 160%
martencat 18 / 27 66.7%
Miss_Moneypenny★ 105 / 50 210.0%
MissSos 12 / 25 48.0%
MissWatson 63 / 75 ★ 84.0%
mkunruh 16 / 50 32.0%
nebula21 33 / 35 ★★ 94.3%
Nickelini 18 / 20 ★ 90.0%
rabbitprincess★ 68 / 60 113.3%
rainpebble★ 102 / 50 204.0%
readingtangent 42 / 48 ★ 87.5%
Rebeki 23 / 24 ★★ 95.8%
Robertgreaves★ 91 / 84 108.3%
rocketjk★ 23 / 20 115.0%
sallylou61 46 / 48 ★★ 95.8%
si★ 17 / 16 106.3%
Tanya-dogearedcopy★ 39 / 25 156.0%
torontoc★ 30 / 30 100.0%
vestafan 45 / 50 ★ 90.0%
wandaly 14 / 16 ★ 87.5%

LadyBookWorth, rainpebble, Erratic_Charmer, fuzzi, Majkia, cyderry, Benita, Jackie_K, connie53, Tanya-thedogearedcopy, Miss_Moneypenny, clue, enemyanniemae, lilisin, rocketjk, Familyhistorian, Henrik_Madsen, Robertgreaves, LadyoftheLodge, rabbitprincess LauraBrook, and Ameise1 have reached their goal and were joined this month by alexa_d, karenmarie, mandymarie20, FAMeulstee, torontoc and si.

Next in line to join them are:

sallylou61 95.8%
Rebeki 95.8%
LoraShouse 95.0%

The goal for November is 12 more ROOTS!!!! Let's blow this goal away!!!

Nov 1, 6:54pm Top

My favorite pie is Bourbon Pecan Pie and I don't care whether they say that the crust "Pie kills us finally", I couldn't see it any other way!

Nov 1, 7:36pm Top

Mmm, pie! Now I am craving some although that part about pie crust being indigestible did give me pause - for a couple of seconds.

Nov 1, 8:57pm Top

Only 12 books to go!

Edited: Nov 1, 9:09pm Top

I've finished one, so 11 to go! Are we good or what??

Oh, I'll take pecan pie please!

Nov 1, 10:03pm Top

I finished one! 10 to go!

Nov 1, 10:31pm Top

I finished one too - 9 to go!

Nov 1, 10:44pm Top

I like pecan, lemon meringue, and key lime pies!

Nov 2, 4:14am Top

8 to go

Nov 2, 4:16am Top

Wow, only 9 more to go!

>5 clue: Yes we are so good!

No pies for me. That's not a real Dutch thing, I think. We love Vlaaien though and they look similar.

Nov 2, 4:22am Top

Well I guess I haven't checked in for a while and got removed. So don't know it I should list my stuff or not. I did not change the ticker since I didn't' know if my numbers were still in it, but I did finish my goal.

Goal - 10
Books Read Since Last Checkin- 12
Total Books Read in 2019 - 16
Books Towards Goal - 16/10
Percentage Towards Goal - 160%

Nov 2, 9:17am Top

>1 cyderry: You forgot to give me my "finished star", Chèli, I only met my goal last month. I know I went on way past my goal after that.

Edited: Nov 2, 10:49am Top

>11 mandymarie20: we are glad to have you back and congrats on reaching your goal! I've adjusted the OP.

>12 FAMeulstee: my apologies, sometimes the stars flicker out on me!

I finished another!

3 more is all we need!!

Nov 2, 10:58am Top

>10 connie53: according to Wikipedia

Vlaai, also known as Limburgse vlaai, is a pie or tart consisting of a pastry and filling. Vlaai is usually 26—31 centimeters in diameter. It is a typical product from the provinces of Limburg found both in the Netherlands and Belgium, as well as the parts of Germany just across the border.

See pies and tarts are international no matter what they are named!

Nov 2, 11:06am Top

I have finished another ROOT so only 2 more to go!!

My thread and all tickers updated.

Nov 2, 12:48pm Top

>14 cyderry: Yes, you are so right, Chèli. Never thought about them as pies or tarts.

Nov 2, 1:01pm Top

>13 cyderry: Thank for all you do, Chèli, no wonder the stars get to you sometimes ;-)
. Now if you add me to the list of joined this month, I am all set for November.

I have a stack of library books, so my planned ROOTs will have to wait until the second half of this month.

Nov 2, 1:49pm Top

I have added my first for November (#71 for the year) to all tickers. It's now only showing one more book to go to reach our group total (although the % ticker changed to 100% there's still 1 to go there too!), I wonder who will do the honours?

Nov 2, 3:35pm Top

>18 Jackie_K: Guess percentage rounds up and 99.95% gets to be 100%.

Who will get to do the honors? I know it won't be me because it will take at least until tomorrow for me to finish another. Though I could probably find another one to put in the donate box.

Edited: Nov 2, 8:22pm Top

I just put my latest ROOT in and we are now at 100%. Exactly 2950.

I finished it last night and would've put it in sooner but we had a family party this afternoon.

I had no idea that we were even close so that was a pleasant surprise. Yay for us all.

Nov 2, 8:29pm Top

Nov 2, 8:31pm Top

Wow! Congratulations everyone!

Nov 2, 8:49pm Top


Nov 2, 9:04pm Top

>20 lindapanzo: Yay, Linda! :D

Nov 3, 1:16am Top

Way to go,everybody!!!!

Congratulations to all of you that have reached your goals!!

Nov 3, 5:07am Top

Wow! We did it. Congrats to everyone!

Nov 3, 10:28am Top

I reached my goal last month ! ( not mentioned above)
I add one more book so I have 31 books read so far.

Nov 3, 11:29am Top

Oops, I almost missed the celebration! Well done, team!

Nov 3, 11:52am Top

Well done everyone!!!!

Nov 3, 10:48pm Top

>27 torontoc: My apologies, I think I missed you because you are not on the ticker thread. I have made the adjustments!

Nov 3, 10:56pm Top

Well done everyone. I am still plodding towards my goal but it is achievable. I have just finished The Snow Child by Eowyn Ivey taking me to 47/54.

Nov 3, 10:59pm Top

The ticker seemed to tell me the goal was 2951 and mine met it. Perhaps it is extending as we continue...

Nov 4, 7:46am Top

The tickers will go past the set goal - it will be fun to see how much we exceed our goal :)

Nov 4, 4:58pm Top

WOW great job, Group! And congratulations to everyone who has met their goal!

Nov 5, 5:19am Top

Huzzah! Always great to see how many of our forlorn tomes are being enjoyed and set free. Congratulations to everyone, still going to try and hit my goal but suspect I will struggle. The ROOT Group has been a constant motivation to read my way through my shelves and look forward to continuing to discover these previously unappreciated gems.

Nov 5, 2:47pm Top

Adding my #45 ROOT for the year, # 1 for November

Het familieportret by Jenna Blum

Updated all tickers.

Nov 5, 11:09pm Top

Another ROOT finished, my 75th of the year, with East of Eden. My thread and all tickers updated.

Nov 7, 1:12pm Top

That's #2 for November (#72 for the year) added to all tickers.

Nov 7, 6:39pm Top

Finished reading The Memory Police last night which I really enjoyed but there has a bit to be said about the direction it took. It was quite interesting.

Nov 8, 12:48pm Top

I didn't make a ROOT goal for myself other than finally reading books that had been neglected on my shelf. I've read 38 ROOTS out of 91 books so far, which isn't so great, I know, but I'll be returning next year and will hopefully do better.
My favorite pie is French Silk, a decadent chocolate pie that I always had a slice of at Polly's Pies when I lived in SoCal. I made it at home just once, as it turned out the secret to its silkiness is two whole sticks of butter in the filling alone. But I'm also happy with lemon or coconut meringue.

Nov 8, 7:18pm Top

Back to report 2 more roots. My first incomplete for the year, as I decided I was interested in it and it will probably be donated to make a gap for something better and the second was great, Orpheus Lost by Janette Turner Hospital, a real page turner. 49/50

Nov 9, 4:21pm Top

I've just added #3 for the month (#73 for the year) to all tickers.

Yesterday, 10:11am Top

Adding my # 46 ROOT for the year, # 2 for November

Amagansett by Mark Mills

Updated all tickers.

Edited: Yesterday, 11:29pm Top

I've updated my tickers now to the end of October (I'm up to 26/30 now)

I've also read two of my own books in November but will update the ticker with them later.

ETA: I don't dare update the main ticker in case I mess up the numbers - but I see we (the group) have reached our goal. Congratulations everyone!

Today, 1:27am Top

Another root completed, Dirt by David Vann. This is not one of his to recommend. Disappointing really, so I am thinking it will be traded. 50/54

Today, 9:56am Top

My personal ticker is up to date with three more ROOTs, bringing my total so far to 71/60. I finished two long-standing ROOTs:

Great Expectations, by Charles Dickens
Vanity Fair, by William Makepeace Thackeray

And I indulged in a re-read:

The ABC Murders, by Agatha Christie

I haven't touched the group ticker and will likely leave it alone this month.

Edited: Today, 12:35pm Top

I finished my first ROOT for November. Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music? Larry Norman and the Perils of Christian Rock by Gregory Alan Thornbury

Larry Norman was a rising rock star who looked and acted the part - at first. He was a virtuoso guitar player and poet. He counted among his friends Bono and Cliff Richard. His work was admired by Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. (All of these were his contemporaries as well as musical voyagers of the same era.) He grew up a Christian and his early work, while secular, was heavily influenced by his faith. However, he was determined to make it as a Rock Star. He had the rugged good looks needed for the part, and a striking mane of long white blond hair - naturally that color. He looked like the quintessential California surfer boy rock star. However, a conversion experience led him to a life as the founder of a new kind of music - Christian rock. The title for the book comes from one of his Christian rock anthems for which he became famous. He was also the person who trademarked the "One Way" sign of the single finger pointing upwards that became associated with the Jesus movement.

In his early days it was very hard to get a contract to produce Christian rock and the established Christian recording companies didn't know what to do with Christian rock. For that reason Norman started his own recording company. He also started his own booking agency and became not only the first star of the Christian rock scene, but also one of its founding executives. This sounds like a success story. It wasn't. Norman had a difficult personality and two difficult marriages that devolved into scandal. There were sex scandals, drug scandals, and business scandals that followed him throughout his career. He spent large chunks of his life in Britain and found a following in Europe, particularly in Britain and the Scandinavian countries and he felt like it was a case of a prophet in his own country syndrome. He died in the early 2000's from congestive heart failure in his early 60's. Bono and Paul McCartney sent flowers to his funeral.

The book covered and area of the music industry that tends to not be taken seriously even though sales are now through the roof and CCM is a big, and still growing, part of the music industry. That meant that the subject was of interest. However, there were times, when the writing just wasn't that scintillating. The author is a reporter who covers the CCM part of music, and he admitted in the first pages of the book that he was a Larry Norman fan. Even so, there were parts of the book that were mundane when the life of Larry Norman was very exciting and cutting edge. In short, this book could have been more, but it was still a good 250 page introduction with endnotes and references.

Today, 1:17pm Top

I think that my reading may be curtailed a bit this month. My husband, Tim and I have been married 45 years so his family is really my family too. His sister passed away last night so we are in family mode - funeral arrangements, picking up others at the airport, etc. Not that think I have the concentration to read anyway. Maybe next week will be better.

Today, 3:19pm Top

>48 cyderry: I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, Cheli. May she rest in peace and rise in glory.

Today, 7:07pm Top

Sorry to hear that Chèli. Peace and strength be with you and yours.

Today, 9:03pm Top

Deepest condolences Chèli.

Today, 9:13pm Top

>48 cyderry: I'm so sorry for your family's loss.


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