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1wcarter
Nov 8, 2019, 9:25pm

About ten days ago there was some discussion about a new member of FSD with the tag Emily_Jones51, and some members considered she was the reincarnation of an earlier troll on this site. This has scared her away from the FSD forum for a while.
I have exchanged some private messages with her, and she has provided independent proof as to who she is that satisfies me completely that she is just what she appears to be, an enthusiastic and exuberant woman who loves FS books.
Please welcome, befriend and encourage her in this forum.

2Fierylunar
Nov 8, 2019, 9:57pm

Welcome again, Emily, and I hope to see your enthusiastic contributions to discussions here again : ) Your carefree and lively responses have been fun to read, if (apparently) somewhat provocative to some.

(also thanks Warwick, for all the good things you do for this community)

3RRCBS
Nov 8, 2019, 10:38pm

Welcome! I never thought that it was fair to assume she was a troll just because a troll said so.

4Pellias
Nov 8, 2019, 10:38pm

Fantastic. Mr. Carter. A proper gentleman ! I love you !

I remember my first time. You wrote to me privately, welcomed me and told about some of the norm / codex of LT.

-

Welcome Miss Jones, my LT (librarything) friend. Del Torro might not be free .. or what do i know, i don`t care as much really. But i am, therefore if you leave - you might lose out the man of your dreams ! I mean, .. the one (in capital letters) ! So, stick around and see .. I know Ratbag likes you to, he told me in pm (no, he didn`t. But he could have)

.. Heathcliff,-

.. i mean, Øyvind. I`m reading Wuthering Heights at the moment, i had to. I have been walking around singing Kate Bush, so i had to find out who this Heathcliff character was that has been summing around in my head since i were a teen .. it`s a cathching tune .. okay !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaCDaXd5Xyw

5stumc
Nov 8, 2019, 11:44pm

>1 wcarter: a true devotee, detective and gentleman
i think people on social media, even a platform as niche as this, can be suspicious at times for potentially justified reasons, but in this case that suspicion appears to have been misplaced.
its great to have another devotee in the mix, but may not be that great for Emily if she likes having money in her bank account!!!!

6astropi
Nov 8, 2019, 1:08am

I think the FS group, and any group on librarything should be welcoming to all! Enthusiasm is great!

However, there's still no excuse to call people "stupid" or put anyone down. Different people have different opinions, and when you think you know something better than someone who is far more experienced then yes, you look like a troll. All that said, I think most of us here (and in the EP group) are happy to let bygones be bygones.

7olepuppy
Nov 8, 2019, 3:09am

>6 astropi: !!!No, Vendetta!!!... Yes, just kidding, letting bygones be gone is just fine,Astropi...'We'll tak a cup o kindness yet for auld lang syne'...'it's a new dawn, it's a new day'...tho my opinion differs, greater experience does not exempt questioning, but politeness matters( is this me writing)...I loved seeing Greta Thunberg telling those older adults that they weren't mature enough, ha!

Thanks to Emily_Jones51 for unabashed and thoughtful energy, to me quite unlike those earlier a...a....well I can't say anymore.

>1 wcarter: ...are the peacemakers, you lead the way.

8treereader
Nov 8, 2019, 3:52am

Wait, so Folio isn't publishing a new Emily Jones book?

9folio_books
Nov 9, 2019, 10:32am

>1 wcarter:

Thanks, Warwick. Let's hope the troll hunters are finally satisfied.

Welcome back, Emily.

10coynedj
Nov 9, 2019, 12:14pm

I'll join the welcomes. I'm looking forward to her many contributions to our discussions!

11NLNils
Edited: Nov 9, 2019, 1:57pm

I find the posts by Emily_Jones51 repetitive, erratic and far too numerous without substance. This means many a thread gets ruined for me and therefore ignored. I don’t particularly like that, as I’m prone to reading everything posted on FSD and inevitably miss out on interesting posts unrelated to the topic and topic starter. She therefore stays on my blocked member list.

12drasvola
Nov 9, 2019, 3:07pm

>11 NLNils:

I happen to agree with you. I write this with regret because it's a sad thing to say but, unfortunately, needs to be said.

13ironjaw
Nov 9, 2019, 3:12pm

I agree, too. I often have had to skip the discussion entirely as nothing of substantial value has been said.

14Cat_of_Ulthar
Edited: Nov 9, 2019, 7:09pm

If wcarter says she's okay, I'll second that.

Welcome, Emily :-)

15Emily_Jones51
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 1:28pm

Thank you everyone for these so kind words!!!! And especially thank you to sweet, wonderful Warwick. I, like the rest of you, just love Folio books, but can get rather incensed when ppl take advantage of that for personal greed. I.e. charging 10 times the price for the Fairy Books or Patrick O'Brian sets or even the now out of print Ulysses.

P.S. I'm so chuffed to be part of your little group. My officemates tune me out when I speak of my love of Folio Society and fine books!!!!!!

xx Emily

16Levin40
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 3:55pm

>11 NLNils: I agree too. Putting aside for now the question of this user's previous history here (and I still have strong suspicions), and at the risk of further outraging some of those on the Grand Welcoming Committee above, there's no doubt in my mind that this individual is trolling the forum. I'm not sure why this person's 'enthusiasm and exuberence' should trump many other members' right to enjoy the site and I very much doubt that the further encouragement of this behaviour, as seen above, is the best strategy here. While there appear to be some for whom this kind of thing is perfectly acceptable, be aware that there are many for whom it isn't. Please respect us too.

>15 Emily_Jones51: My officemates tune me out when I speak of my love of Folio Society and fine books!!!!!!

Believe me, they're not alone. Look, if you want to continue here then that's perfectly ok, and hardly something in my power to permit or deny in any case. But know that the kind of posts you've been persistently making over the past weeks and months might begin to irritate other members and provoke a reaction. I'm talking about, for example, opening countless new threads and repeating over and over the the same statements and questions re e.g. sale dates, the fairy books, inflated secondary prices or how Folio never, ever listen to their customers. As far as I'm concerned this kind of thing has nothing to do with being new here and perhaps not knowing the ropes, or about how much knowledge you may or may not have on Folio or books in general. It has everything to do with common sense, good manners and a basic respect for other members. For someone who boasts an Oxford education, I would hope that's not too hard to grasp.

17Emily_Jones51
Nov 11, 2019, 5:40pm

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levin40 - How about you don't talk to me, or about me at all. You are among the rudest, most harassing LT members I've ever encountered on here.

Thankfully, there are still kind people on here who share my love of Folio books, like Pellias and wcarter and so many others.

18fishthing
Nov 11, 2019, 5:57pm

Yes, Pellias are kind and am in love watching Folio Book.

19Emily_Jones51
Nov 11, 2019, 5:58pm

fishthing -- Awww, I agree! i love Pellias!!!!

20Emily_Jones51
Nov 11, 2019, 6:00pm

Can someone please tell me how to block Levin40 from LT? His longwinded harassing messages, while laughable and not even worth my time reading, is kind of annoying, as well as his mean-spirited private messages, which I just delete. However, I just want to block him, because I prefer surrounding myself with positive, fun-loving ppl like myself.

Thank you!!!!

xx Emily

21RRCBS
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 6:29pm

Click on the user id then on their user page, select block from the bottom right column

22Levin40
Edited: Nov 11, 2019, 6:27pm

Ok, re >18 fishthing: and >19 Emily_Jones51:, this is pretty much the same behaviour as the troll a year or so back: creating multiple personas and having 'conversations' with themself.

Concerning >20 Emily_Jones51: I've never sent this person any kind of private message.

I'm signing out of this conversation now. Don't say you haven't been warned.

23Cat_of_Ulthar
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 8:34am

>17 Emily_Jones51:

Even if provoked, that doesn't help your case: per the T&Cs:

"LibraryThing prohibits all personal attacks on members. As Wikipedia's policy states, "Comment on content, not on the contributor."

Edit: I see that several users have flagged post >17 Emily_Jones51:. It seems appropriate to delete the passage I originally quoted from that post. If people want to read it they can do so at the original post.

25Emily_Jones51
Nov 11, 2019, 7:33pm

Thanks so much rrcbs and ratbag - I just blocked him. I think Levin broke the terms and agreements when he Private messaged me that I was unwelcome on LT (in a more rude way of course).

So back to Folio books lol!

26Levin40
Nov 11, 2019, 7:44pm

>20 Emily_Jones51: >25 Emily_Jones51: Ok, on second thoughts I find your multiple accusations that I've been sending you any kind of private message - particuarly abusive ones - serious enough that I'll be reporting you to LT admin. Hopefully they'll take appropriate action.

I've recorded this page in case you delete the messages.

27Mr.Fox
Nov 11, 2019, 8:03pm

Why are people not simply blocking unwanted users and moving on with their lives?

28terebinth
Nov 11, 2019, 8:35pm

>27 Mr.Fox:

Beats me. Emily's passions aren't always my own - I'm not too bothered when some wide-boy or algorithm tries asking a four, five or seven figure sum for unremarkable books, Folio or other - but I've enjoyed her posts, if sometimes in the spirit of "no ardour is redundant" (Rilke, at least when J. B. Leishman translated him). No need here for a Trollfinder-General.

29Emily_Jones51
Nov 11, 2019, 8:37pm

Mr.Fox and terebinth - Thank you both! No worries, I've found out how to block out the trollfinder general. They usually live unhappy lives, hence their need to always have the last word. Not that I even care because I can't see their posts anymore. Yay!

And on we go back to talking about Folio Books again!

30Jayked
Nov 11, 2019, 8:40pm

When the blocked user has made 12 posts so far today, the nuisance isn't much abated by blocking.

31folio_books
Nov 11, 2019, 9:11pm

>30 Jayked:

As I'm sure you know, blocking someone means you won't see their posts unless you choose to. It works just fine for me.

32adriano77
Nov 11, 2019, 9:35pm

>27 Mr.Fox:

No doubt. That this thread exists at all is downright bizarre. I wasn't aware that there was a new member screening committee asking for people's papers behind the scenes.

In my two or three years browsing the group there's been precisely one user whose posts I found an irritant. Once I discovered the block list function though? Problem solved and forgotten.

If anything, that should be a PSA. Dislike someone's posts? Here's how to block them!

33terebinth
Nov 11, 2019, 9:59pm

>32 adriano77: In my two or three years browsing the group there's been precisely one user whose posts I found an irritant.

Same for me in my five or six years - can't remember who it was, but whoever it was they vanished quite some time ago. We're various, it's a strength. Then, I guess having some folk around who are more readily vexed than most of us is a part of the variousness...

34Mr.Fox
Nov 11, 2019, 10:31pm

Well, I haven’t blocked anyone here, so I’m not speaking from experience. I just assumed that if you block someone, you don’t see their posts any longer. If that’s true, then everyone has the power to never be bothered by someone’s posts again. I don’t understand how invisible posts would or could be an issue to anyone.

35RATBAG.
Nov 11, 2019, 1:03am

Personally speaking, I would just like the Emily Saga to be over with already so we can go back and enjoy all of the beautiful books out there.

I think it best for this chapter to end.

36Emily_Jones51
Nov 11, 2019, 2:29am

ratbag - It was already over to begin with, as per Warwick's very sweet initial posting here. Another clown just tried to stir problems, and he is clearly the true troll.

As I've said many times before, BACK TO TALKING ABOUT FOLIO BOOKS!!!!!!!!

37kb-42
Nov 12, 2019, 5:34am

>16 Levin40: I totally agree

38IgnatiusR
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 10:17am

>25 Emily_Jones51: Claiming that another member has sent you harassing private messages when and if that has never happened is a serious issue. If what you say is false, and l guess LT can check that, you should be banned immediately.

39Fierylunar
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 2:22pm

If we all want this 'over with', I suggest the users who feel harrassed or feel the need to retaliate block each other, refrain from further provocation (both sides) from now on here and elsewhere on the board and behave like the actual book-loving adults we supposedly are. Take deep breaths before posting, use restraint where necessary and don't respond to provocative posts or posts you believe to be 'trolling'. We don't have to all be best friends here, but we can at least keep things civilized.

Again, rule of thumb: when a person gets your blood boiling, please, for the benifit of everyone in the group, block the user instead of provoking/insulting them. It's not rocket science...

40Emily_Jones51
Nov 12, 2019, 2:59pm

It's not a claim when it happened. Let's gang up on the woman here, right?

41Emily_Jones51
Nov 12, 2019, 3:01pm

I understand fierylunar, but I've let this go a while ago and these old, miserable trolls come out of the woodwork and keep bringing it up. It's incredible the amount of harassment new members have to go through on here ... just to talk about Folio books of all things ... quite sad.

42Willoyd
Nov 12, 2019, 4:24pm

>40 Emily_Jones51:
Again (from another thread, but as yet unanswered), where's your evidence for this?

43Fierylunar
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 4:48pm

>41 Emily_Jones51: Block them, there's no need for further response (>40 Emily_Jones51: is silly and you should honestly consider removing it). And if they block you, further escalation is prevented. To be frank, I don't give a damn who is right in this childish fight as long as it is shut down.

For the flaggers in above posts: don't flag, just block.

44Sorion
Nov 12, 2019, 6:36pm

>40 Emily_Jones51: And you're blocked now. Just mind boggling. This person and the drama surrounding them have made this place less enjoyable.

45timspalding
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 7:20pm

LibraryThing member Emily_Jones51 has been removed from LibraryThing for violations of the TOS.

There were multiple reason.

I particularly note that the member attempted to manipulate members to use the system flags against a member, claiming to have received multiple, attacking private messages from them, which she deleted. This was false. It wasn't even a matter of interpretation; the member had never sent any messages to that member, and only one message to any member.

We are indulgent of well-intentioned violations of the TOS; we remind or suspend. But attempts to manipulate the flagging system are attacks on the system, and punished accordingly.

46dlphcoracl
Nov 12, 2019, 8:18pm

>45 timspalding:

Excellent news.

47NYCFaddict
Nov 12, 2019, 10:04pm

Thank you!

48RATBAG.
Nov 12, 2019, 10:20pm

>45 timspalding: Thank you kindly for clarifying and finally putting this to a much-needed rest.

49NLNils
Nov 12, 2019, 10:53pm

May Emily live forever.. The next troll who will stop by will summarily be ‘Emily Jonesed’ off LT.

50Levin40
Edited: Nov 12, 2019, 12:18am

>45 timspalding: Thank you very much Tim.

And that's it folks. Game over. Whilst it was a fatal tactical error to accuse me of something so easily verifiable, Emily did prove herself to be something of a specialist in the field of 'divide and conquer'. And although her career here is over for now, I'm sure Boris Johnson's Brexit department might well be interested. It did amuse me in all of this to be simultaneously accused of being the troll and the Trollfinder General. That's quite a feat. Definitely not a troll, but I might take Trollfinder General. Or Trollfinder Rookie perhaps, as it's the first time I've been on the hunt.

I lost count of the number of times I heard 'block and ignore' stated as the solution to everything (and, in the case of Fierylunar, left somewhat baffled as to why he didn't follow his own advice), but I have to say I disagree. I've never blocked anyone before, though I imagine it might be useful in the case of someone whose views continually irritated even if they didn't break any rules. But in the case of blatant trolling, which ruins the forum for a large proportion of members, I'm not sure it's the best way forward. Ignoring a problem rarely makes it go away.

Now, back to your books. Or, in the words of Emily herself, BACK TO TALKING ABOUT FOLIO BOOKS!!!!!!!!

(sry, just trying to inject a little humour here...it's been a rather bleak thread)

51RATBAG.
Nov 12, 2019, 2:05am

"I'm sure Boris Johnson's Brexit department might well be interested."

"Or, in the words of Emily herself, BACK TO TALKING ABOUT FOLIO BOOKS!!!!!!!!"

I died of laughter. Top comment I have encountered...yet!

52treereader
Nov 12, 2019, 3:45am

>8 treereader:

No Treereader, you see, there needs to be more than just unbridled drama in the narrative for Folio Society to want to publish it. There needs to be an unexpected twist in the plot, something that makes the story timeless, good writing, etc...

53olepuppy
Edited: Nov 13, 2019, 5:20am

Deleted due to the post. 54

54wcarter
Nov 13, 2019, 5:05am

>53 olepuppy:
Thank you for your support, but I was misled.
I was concerned that "Emily Jones" was being inappropriately victimised, so in a series of private messages on LT asked "her" to provide proof of her identity. After some delay, "she" did so, with detailed information about "herself" and links to "her" social media profiles, which at the time I promised to keep private.
I took these as proof of "her" identity, but there is now incontrovertible proof that "she" lied to me, and to this group.
"She" claims to be 39, and not some excitable teenager.
I apologise for supporting "her", but "she" was very cleverly convincing.

55olepuppy
Nov 13, 2019, 5:20am

>54 wcarter:

. Thanks too then for informing me, and of course, good riddance.

56Fierylunar
Nov 13, 2019, 6:46am

>40 Emily_Jones51: up until your last post, no one has angered or hurt me (even if the discussion itself did) and I have not felt the need to block either Emily or any of the troll hunters.

What baffles me is that in an attempt at humour, you call me out and suggest that I block you. You have not insulted me, you have not made me angry. I do apologise if you have felt attacked personally by me. I'm honestly sorry. My intentions were good, but, apparently, stopping a conflict is not a strong suit of mine. I'll just be gone for a few days next time a troll barges in. If you do feel the need to rant at me some more, feel free to do so via private message.

That being said, I will follow my own advice from earlier and be glad this whole mess got shut down in the end, whatever the means.

57Levin40
Edited: Nov 13, 2019, 8:55am

>54 wcarter: No need to apologise. Your good intentions on this forum and have never been, or will be, in doubt and I'm sorry you were misled.

>56 Fierylunar: I assume that was directed at me? Sorry, I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn't suggesting that you block me, nor did I feel attacked by you, and I think your intentions in preventing further escalation were admirable. I was just wondering why, as you seemed to be getting quite wound up by the discussion, you didn't simply ignore the thread. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

58Pellias
Nov 13, 2019, 9:27am

Emily was my friend, i intended for her to be my wife

Emily is now a ghost on the moor ..

-

Blocking: Personally i am no fan of blocking. I have blocked none, i have tried to do so, but then for me it only creates a mess of sensured posts, an untidy mess (for others it is probably tidy). But that`s me, different personalities and all that. I have no need to "mark my territory" at a haven like librarything. That only creates a dynamic leaning towards aggresion, which is passive towards oneself or hostile towards others, probably both.

Meanwhile, somewhere in africa: `It takes av village to raise a child` . LT is a village. To exclude one another can be a solution short term, but long term i personally find a littlebit childish if so should happen .. do know that people or yourself (probably not) can and will change.

To exclude or to be excluded from a group are also the best way to create trolls - it`s there in every stor, fictional or not

.. and even a troll could be enabled to become a devotee

I like a littlebit of drama myself, to a certain degree - especially the charming type, would be a boring story otherwise - it`s always a littlebit entertaining, but like other things, that too is a balancing act .. to much or nothing at all is a killer ..

/ end of

59folio_books
Nov 13, 2019, 10:04am

>54 wcarter: I was concerned that "Emily Jones" was being inappropriately victimised,

I hope you don't feel bad about the outcome, Warwick. You acted honourably and correctly and I'm sure the vast majority of Devotees were cheering you on for taking control of the situation. My view is that what you did proved actually to be the first step in bringing the drama to the end, which we are all grateful for. I am grateful, too, to >50 Levin40: for applying the coup de grace.

60wongie
Nov 13, 2019, 10:46am

>54 wcarter:

I have kept away from participating in this drama myself but I echo the sentiment from other users; while the internet in general is rife with trolls, the LibraryThing forums, for the most part are, thankfully, not that commonly plagued by such people so your giving someone the benefit of the doubt and helping to welcome them into our community is commendable.

Also, I suspect some may not have taken a liking to Levin40's confrontational manner but in the end our eagle eyed bouncer has helped spot and rid us of a troll.

61RRCBS
Nov 13, 2019, 10:48am

>54 wcarter: don’t let the way she acted make you regret being nice and welcoming! I don’t mind the repetitive posts and people were actually quite helpful. But the bullying was annoying and, speaking as a woman, the way she would fall back to “let’s attack the woman” was way too much!

62LolaWalser
Nov 13, 2019, 6:22pm

>61 RRCBS:

Probably we can't know for sure, but I doubt it's a "she". Not only was the pattern of posts identical to a previous incident (and possibly more, I used to red-x threads where they appeared), with male names/personas used, but to me everything this person posted sounded false from the start, especially identifying as a woman (and "feminist"!), which actually looked more like an attack on women (to say nothing of feminism).

63TheLoiterer
Nov 13, 2019, 6:52pm

I agree with LolaWalser's above comments.

It is easy for FS Devotees to get caught up in the beauty and technical details of a fine book. But we should not do at the expense of the text.

I thought it was obvious that the person behind Emily Jones was male, most unlikely to be an Oxford maths graduate and much younger than their professed age.

If you are not a native English speaker than fair enough but those who are should have smelt a rat from the start.

But I agree let's not waste any more time on this misguided troll.

64Pellias
Nov 13, 2019, 7:29pm

"Emily" used the term feminism knowingly that it could stir up things in this place most likely hoping to start up a conflict. To divide the members here, even more. That is when i got my proof ..

65boldface
Nov 14, 2019, 11:27pm

Help!! I've accidentally blocked myself and now I can't read anything I've written. Yay!!!

BTW, do you think the Fairy Books should be included with Witchcraft and Wizardry because they all have potions in them? I do, even if too many on here give me flags (but they're soooooo pretty!). At least, Pellias loves me. Do you think he'll be in the sale?

Let me make this very clear. I'm just a respectable 72-year-old Hogwarts graduate from Area 51, with credentials, who loves Folio Society books!!!!!

I've never caused anyone any bother, so get used to it, bro, or I'll send you a private message!!

Brodmann_9

66Sorion
Nov 14, 2019, 3:33am

Let’s just let this thread die.

67elladan0891
Nov 14, 2019, 3:59am

>65 boldface:
Well done, as always!

Glad it's over. I can tolerate an awkward, overexcited kid, but this dude, despite his love of Folios and likely history of issues, is just too creepy. Constantly lying, pretending to be someone else, talking to himself via multiple accounts, jumping between insults and playing silly victim cards, accusing members of inappropriate actions... Sorry, my dear Gallant Knight Pellias, our village can't raise this child - the child is broken and can't be refurbished. At least for now. But perhaps you're right and he'll grow up/learn to socialize one day.

Yes, his style, mannerisms, interests, and behavioral patterns are unmistakable. I think it was clear as a day that Urmut/Ukinninum/Sarah_1979/Matthew1956 was back. Surprised not as many of us picked it up. Not the first time impersonating a woman either, and this caricature of a female was just as bad - way too laborious and mish-mashy.

As for blocking - blocking a user rarely solves anything, and with folks like Emily-Matthew their posts are just the tip of an iceberg. You can hide their posts, but what about all the posts by other users reacting in one way or another? Some might be complaining of trolling, others might be answering trivial unnecessary questions, etc.

>58 Pellias:
Brother, I told you a while back it was a dude! Remember, you helped me get the best edition of Heimskringla, so I'm forever indebted to you and won't allow any, ahem, surprises to happen on your wedding night! :)

68fishthing
Nov 15, 2019, 7:26am

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Oh Emily, I looooved you!

On our wedding knight I got two balls in my hand and I were

shocked!

shocked!

shocked!

(by the by that rhymes….)

but after a whisky or eight, I don't care, no care at all

because that are when I feel the urge to wright poetry

I log on and post my deep feeling

Finnegan, f**** you, I are much more unconprehensible!

69folio_books
Nov 15, 2019, 10:26am

>66 Sorion: Let’s just let this thread die.

If only.

70Pellias
Nov 15, 2019, 4:29pm

>65 boldface: At least, Pellias loves me. Do you think he'll be in the sale? Awww, I agree! i love Pellias!!!!

>67 elladan0891: .. oh. You. It`s you .. the enemy .. Remember, you helped me get the best edition of Heimskringla, so I'm forever indebted to you Yes. That`s true. You are ;)

71LesMiserables
Nov 16, 2019, 11:44am

What a soap opera!

72fishthing
Nov 16, 2019, 3:18pm

...yes it is, yes... Forever and ever Demis roussos is My only fascination...a friend. Yes i will, Yes...! :-(