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Deern (Nathalie) tries to read a little in 2020

75 Books Challenge for 2020

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1Deern
Mar 3, 3:15am Top

So happy to be back :)

2Deern
Mar 3, 3:47am Top

Really, last post in May 2019? I just checked. I thought it might have been 5 or 6 months. I don't know what to say, I'm terribly sorry for really going AWOL for such an extremely long time. I wasn't feeling bad or uncommunicative, but it was like a wall had built up inside me, shielding me from any written stuff and own writing.

I very recently started reading again in a half-normal speed, though I still don't feel drawn to "real literature". At least I'm reading English again, that's another progress. I re-read a Ben Elton (yes I know) brain candy book within 2 days last weekend and some of my emergency comic books which I couldn't even look at for a long time. I don't feel I'm up to any reading challenges this year, but I hope I can at least participate in the group again.

I'm glad I was able to communicate through Barbara that I'm generally okay (thank you again Barbara!!).

There have been some more or less positive changes at work, and we're introducing 2 new IT systems. It is all totally crazy with long hours and this will continue for the rest of the year.

On other news, my parents have to move again as their rented house was sold 2 weeks ago and the new owners want to move in in autumn. They're undecided now whether to stay in Bavaria or to return up North where old friends and family live.

There has been another nice change in my life - for almost 3 months now I've been in a relationship. He is 55 and also has a very busy schedule that keeps him away from Merano for most of the time (that's very fine with me). He's an extremely avid reader (mostly medical/ alternative medicine books) and has a great library. He keeps throwing books at me :) and then wants to discuss them. Fascinating - and totally new for me!

I fear I won't be able to catch up on threads. For now I starred the ones I found on the first group pages and will gradually start visiting. I missed you all and I'm sending a round of virus-free big {{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}

3charl08
Mar 3, 4:29am Top

Nathalie! Lovely to "see" you and great to hear your news, especially with all the stuff you have going on.

4PaulCranswick
Mar 3, 7:36am Top

>1 Deern: So happy to be back! That would be an understatement about having you back.

What a lovely surprise.

>2 Deern: More good news that you have managed to unearth a bookworm to discuss tomes with.
Wishing you all the joy in the world.

5Deern
Mar 3, 11:52am Top

>3 charl08: Hi Charlotte, thanks for visiting. Yes, there‘s much going on right now and that‘s without the eventualities that d*** virus might bring along here in Northern Italy. I live far enough from the red zones, but it‘s all getting closer by the day and it has a big impact on work and private life already now.

>4 PaulCranswick: Thank you Paul! Well, he loves learning and teaching, so it‘s really interesting, although those tomes are exclusively about metaphysical/ medical/ philosphical topics and not exactly beautifully written.

6BekkaJo
Mar 3, 1:39pm Top

Found you! I was so glad to see you on Paul's thread, and so happy to catch up with your life again. Many virus free hugs from me too :)

7alcottacre
Mar 3, 1:49pm Top

Nathalie! Great to see you back!!

8Ameise1
Mar 3, 2:25pm Top

Hi Nathalie 💖
I'm sooo happy to see you posting. It's wonderful that you found the pleasure to read again.
And I'm sooo happy for you that you found a new partner. Enjoy life.

9FAMeulstee
Mar 3, 4:34pm Top

So good to have you back with us, Nathalie!!!
*happy dance*

10drneutron
Mar 3, 6:13pm Top

Welcome back!

11Deern
Mar 4, 2:11am Top

>6 BekkaJo:, >7 alcottacre:, >8 Ameise1:, >9 FAMeulstee:, >10 drneutron: Thanks for visiting Bekka, Stasia, Barbara, Anita and Jim! :)

Don't know what it was, but "something" really pushed me yesterday to "go on LT NOW!". Had to look up my password as I had it changed last year when I felt "under observation". Which I'm sure I still am, but the office situation really is much better now as I moved into a different line of the organization.

12figsfromthistle
Mar 4, 7:34am Top

Welcome back!

Lots of exciting things happening for you in this New Year :)

13lauralkeet
Mar 4, 9:04am Top

Welcome back, Nathalie!

14Crazymamie
Mar 4, 9:16am Top

Nathalie! SO great to see you back - I also fell off the threads last year. Hoping that 2020 is full of happy for you.

15LizzieD
Mar 4, 11:52pm Top

(((((Nathalie))))) Happiness is having you back among us!!!!
I can't say how glad I am that all is good and better than good with you. May you soon find something new and beautiful in your reading that you can introduce this medical man to! Really glad for a change in your work! May you gain energy from new challenges!!!!!
Stay healthy and attached to LT!!!!!

16Deern
Mar 5, 6:15am Top

>12 figsfromthistle:, >13 lauralkeet:, >14 Crazymamie:, >15 LizzieD: Hi Anita, Laura, Mamie and Peggy! :D
So good to be back. Haven't been to all threads yet, hope to do so tomorrow.

17thornton37814
Mar 5, 8:37pm Top

Welcome back!

18Deern
Mar 7, 12:53am Top

Hi Lori, thank you! :)

19Deern
Mar 7, 1:04am Top

Well, nothing really new on the book front. I haven‘t a list of the few I finished this year and I‘m not sure if I should list at all, as I‘m a bit embarrassed about all the yoga/ ayurveda stuff, and about the brain candy books as well. :/

Had yesterday off as I‘d originally planned to travel by train to Salisburgo where M (new partner, can‘t call a 55 year old „boyfriend“? He has a unique first name, so I‘ll not use it here for now ) works most of the time. Then we wanted to go to Bavaria this afternoon to see my parents, as it‘s my dad‘s birthday.

Two weeks ago I joked I might not be able to come when they stopped those trains at the Austrian border when 2 women were coughing and the first hotels didn‘t accept Italian tourists. Now going is really out of the question, and I‘m a bit sad. I hope things will get better when the temps go up.

20CDVicarage
Mar 7, 4:16am Top

It's good to see you back, Natalie, and good to hear that life has been going well for you.

21PaulCranswick
Mar 7, 5:25am Top

>19 Deern: Stay safe, Nathalie and it is sad that you won't be able to travel to see your parents on your Dad's birthday.

As a 53 year old man - there is nothing wrong with being referred to as a boyfriend!

22richardderus
Mar 7, 11:45am Top

My Young Gentleman Caller refers to me as his "old man"...a perfectly acceptable jokey term for a male partner...and then startles his friends when an *actual* old man shows up.

It amuses us both. I expect your special friend would find being called a boy rather fun in the same way.

23Deern
Mar 8, 12:45am Top

>20 CDVicarage: Hi Kerry, thank you! :)

>21 PaulCranswick: It‘s a strange situation here. Went to meet a friend for an aperitivo yesterday, and while we still are a ‚colorless‘ zone here (2 confirmed, a couple more tested positive on the first test), you notice behaviors have changed. Bars are closed, or when they’re open, people prefer sitting outside. No more hugs and Italian cheek kisses for greeting, but hand on the heart or namaste, and the 1 m distance rule is kept by most. Altogether not many people around.

>22 richardderus: Hi Richard, I actually called him that already.
He didn‘t like it much, he‘s Italian after all... :D

In German, you usually just use ‚friend‘ - a special friend would be ‚my friend‘ and all other friends ‚a friend/a friend of mine‘. ‚Partner’ sounds more established, like ‚we‘ve been together for many years‘.

Anyway, we all hope he‘ll be able to return to Austria for teaching mid-March. If so, he might however be gone for a long time, as they might not let him travel in and out of Italy regularly.

24Ameise1
Mar 8, 4:52am Top

Oh Nathalie, I learned last night that everything is being sealed off in northern and partly in central Italy. I had to think about you immediately. I hope that you can still move freely in Merano. This virus actually doesn't make social life easy. Keep your ears stiff, as we say. Better times will come again.

Please write down the books you are reading or have read at the moment. It gives us other ideas, when we don't like reading heavy literature. I also feel that I don't always like to read profound books and then rather read something trivial. Ideas are always welcome.

25Deern
Mar 9, 4:00am Top

>24 Ameise1: Well, Südtirol is still a little colorless island in the sea of 'orange' Northern Italian regions, but now that they finally started testing, numbers will rise here as well. We can move freely here and took a nice long walk in the sun yesterday.

Right now I'm mainly worried about my parents in Germany, about M's work (if he leaves for Austria this week or latest next, he might be away for a long time - but at least he'll work, I hope they won't close his school there) and M's parents here who are both 80.
Otherwise it's strange - I'm not someone who goes out a lot, almost never to the movies, rarely to a museum (there aren't that many), but knowing you can't go because everything is closed is different. There is that (almost childish, clingeing) feeling you want things back to normal, or at least to where they were 2 weeks ago/ one week ago, but there's nothing you can do. Except for going grocery shopping or similar things so you can pretend you're in control of something at least by filling your fridge - or hoarding toilet paper like the Australians.
Next weekend we'll do some gardening at the Villa Freitschütz - as if we were really opening in April though we know it's extremely unlikely.

I'm now slow-reading Be Love Now by Ram Dass and Yoga and Ayurveda by David Frawley. The first one is purely spiritual and helps me a lot currently, the second one is theoretic and quite complex.

26Deern
Edited: Mar 10, 12:35am Top

Woke up to the shocking news that all of Italy is now a „protected zone“ and the restrictions apply to everyone. Must wait and see what my company says today.

27FAMeulstee
Mar 10, 5:34am Top

>26 Deern: I saw it on the news, Nathalie, and immediately thought of you. I hope it doesn't turn out as bad as it sounded...

28Crazymamie
Mar 10, 8:20am Top

>27 FAMeulstee: What Anita said, Nathalie. Keeping you in my thoughts.

29Deern
Edited: Mar 10, 9:12am Top

>27 FAMeulstee:, >28 Crazymamie: Thank you Anita and Mamie. I hoped so too, but actually, it looks worse and there's more looming (I'm wondering if we're actually committing lemming-like suicide here).

Well, yesterday it was decided internally that we all have to wear masks during work. This is absolutely no government rule, it's just done here, as our company cannot be closed down. As food producers, we received a special permit already weeks ago, and with the masks they want to make sure that the virus doesn't spread inhouse if someone gets it outside. I'm having my yearly spring allergy and it's no fun breathing through that **** thing all day.

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The new regulations mean that in Italy we are not allowed to leave town/comune unless for a "good reason", which means either work, doctor visits or food shopping. We have to print "autocertificazioni" with our addresses, destinations and the reasons for travelling if we're stopped by the police at a checkpoint. In theory this also means I can't see M for the next two weeks or longer as he lives in a different village - although it borders with Merano. We already talked on the phone and said we might arrange to go food shopping at the same time - quite a new type of romance...

Actually I was just told, it means exactly that. We'll see how strictly that will be applied, as it's not a red zone with walls and fences.

Bars/ restaurants can be opened between 6am and 6pm and only if the person-to-person distance of 1m can be guaranteed, so no more dining in the evenings or meeting friends for an aperitivo.
Already two days ago the church announced there won't be mass and other celebrations, no weddings or christenings, funeral services only outside in the graveyard with the nearest relatives. This makes some sense as the churchgoers are usually the elderly who really should stay at home now. One of my colleagues now has to postpone her wedding to "whenever".

No sports events, gyms, theaters, cinemas have to close, people should if possible work from home (unfortunately not possible for me because I'd really prefer sitting at home without that bl***y face mask).

Food shops and pharmacies remain open.

The latest news is that Austria prohibit entry for people from Italy and close universities from next Monday, so M. is for now definitely without work.

This is really bad, and until they have drugs or a vaccine, I guess most of the regulations will stay in place, as the virus - even if numbers should go down after a couple of weeks - will use every occasion to spread again.

And it feels totally unreal.

30FAMeulstee
Mar 10, 9:20am Top

>29 Deern: Glad we are not there yet, Nathalie, the regulations sound almost more frightning than the virus itself...

31richardderus
Mar 10, 7:14pm Top

>29 Deern: I'm so sad to hear of the procrustean regulations, Nathalie, but I hope you're going to be safer and healthier because of them.

More time to read!

32alcottacre
Mar 10, 7:31pm Top

Wow, Nathalie! I hope that all of the precautions being taken turn out to be of some help.

Please do not worry about posting brain candy books. I sure do! There are a lot of times I want something lighter to read.

33LizzieD
Mar 10, 11:25pm Top

Dear Nathalie, I thought about you a lot today and am sorry to see the progress of restrictions while hoping that they will be effective. Good grief!
I'm wondering how long the rest of the world is going to wander around freely.
Be very careful with yourself!

34Deern
Mar 11, 3:27am Top

>30 FAMeulstee:, >31 richardderus:, >32 alcottacre:, >33 LizzieD: Hi Anita, Richard, Stasia and Peggy. Thanks for visiting me. Please stay all safe where you are. I hope politicians are smart enough to not let it come to that point elsewhere, but I have my doubts.

With their super-low birth rates for decades, the Italians have a very old population. The average age of the deceased it 81 (which means many very very old people died), and almost all of them had other illnesses. This doesn't make it any less tragic, but might explain why we have so many more deaths than other countries. In Germany for example, they tested hundreds of school children coming back from Italy, but didn't even test the cases of older people who died of pneumonia in hospitals for a long time.
Here, they didn't test you at all if you just had cold or flu symptoms but hadn't been to Lombardy or Veneto, but they tested like crazy in the hospitals. Now that they're testing more, the numbers go up in all regions and it hits many more young people most of which remain without symptoms. However those few who have symptoms are mostly gravely ill for weeks, and I fear no health system in the world (no matter how superior the Germans and others might feel which imo is not justified) can cope with so many cases of life-threatening pneumonia.
So please please, all be careful already now without the regulations in place!!

***********************
I know the following all sounds like "poor little me" in the face of something much more important and dangerous, but that's how my stupid ego (or whatever it is) reacts.

Egoistic rant coming:
When they closed down the first regions some weeks ago, M. and I thought about how we'd arrange it if he were here (and not in Austria) if it would ever happen in South Tyrol. I said I was planning to read myself through his vast library, he could teach me some ayurvedic stuff and we would take walks outside so we wouldn't go crazy. The situation now is that he's here, won't have an income for months if not the whole year (he's independent, not employed), and we can't even share mine as we have to keep up two full households. There are 100 exceptions to the "don't move from your comune" rule - you can even bring your kids to their grandparents when you have to work (I thought that would be the last thing you should do with all the "think of the nonni" stuff!). Within Merano I could walk through the streets all day coughing and sneezing (hay fever) if I wanted, have a coffee or lunch, go clothes shopping. But I can't drive door-to-door to my BF's place that's closer to my house than my work. I have a colleague with the residence 2kms from here, but her partner lives up North near the border, and she can drive back and forth every day because they have a baby.
So last night I went to M's place, also because I got lots of my stuff there. Had dinner upstairs, so didn't get in contact with the parents. Said goodbye to him this morning for the next 3 weeks or however long this will take. Had an autocertificazione for my return ready, but wasn't stopped on my way. Saw 3 control guys looking into a bar, probably controlling the 1m-distance. Cried a lot.
And my whiny "me me me" is basically helplessness, I hate not being in control of things - and I'm really scared I might not see my parents again for a long time or ever. So I'd at least like to see my BF and his family who really welcomed me with open arms. I'd even keep my 1m distance...
End of rant.
*************************

Went shopping yesterday evening, and again the pasta shelves were empty. When the first big panic buying happened about 2,5 weeks ago (when we had the first case here), people bought pasta, rice, coffee, salt, sugar, oil, but didn't touch fruit/veg or toilet paper. Clearly the Australian toilet paper wars have caught on because last night those shelves were quite empty as well. and to my amazement, there wasn't a single vegetable left. Some apples, oranges, but no veggies and no salad. No long queues however and people were very disciplined. The shopping must have gone on regularly since opening in the morning. I was lucky and got 2 packs of wet wipes. From now on I'll go more often and buy just what I need. I was even more lucky I got my hay fever cough under control during the shopping and didn't cause a panic. At the checkout they offered wipes, and there were lines on the floor to indicate the 1m distance. Only one person wore a mask.

In the office, now the areas are strictly closed. People from production/ the warehouse can't come into the office building anymore and vice versa. They put desinfectant dispensers on every floor and are providing gloves and our self-made paper masks. We had to sign 3 pages of new regulations this morning.

Now I'm going to do the one thing I'm allowed to without restrictions: work. :)

{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}} and be safe!!

35PaulCranswick
Mar 11, 4:14am Top

Your recent posts already read like the stirrings of a dystopian novel, Nathalie.

The elderly and the infirm are severely at risk here and I guess with my asthma I would be at greater risk too.

It is interesting and hugely alarming to see the intrusive nature of the restrictions already being placed on daily life. I am with you on despising face masks and my Sapura site office staff are probably split 50/50 between those wearing and those not wearing the masks. I can see a day in the not too distant future when it will be insisted upon and I will probably go home.

The shortages already in the stores is scary. This thing is only just beginning.

36charl08
Mar 11, 4:47am Top

Sorry to read of the impact of the restrictions, Nathalie. There must be so many people facing the same thing. I was thinking about here: friends' and acquaintances' partners work and live in different towns and they commute (in some cases long distances) to see each other. Family and friends are what make it possible to get through things like this, it must be so difficult having to limit that. I do hope for a return to "normalcy" soon.

37Deern
Mar 12, 12:45am Top

Daily news: well, now at least there‘s a bit more „justice“. No more anything (shopping except for food, going to the hairdressers, bars, restaurants...) which makes it more acceptable also not to meet people. We‘re allowed to take walks, but alone, to go for a run, but alone, everything alone.

You know me, I‘m quite a solitary person. But the idea of being all on my own for 3 weeks or longer is scary, so for now I‘m grateful my company is an exception. On the other hand, I‘m scared of what happens if one of us gets infected. The milk comes from local mountain farms and is arriving daily (unless the drivers fall ill) what are we going to do with it?

In that respect, the mask-wearing makes sense, as does the wiping of surfaces/doors/keyboards with alcohol every 2 hours, and that we can‘t have coffee or lunch breaks in groups anymore. We have to keep up production (demand from supermarket chains right now is enormous although of course the local demand from bars/hotels/retaurants is zero), at least as long as we can get packaging materials and ingredients from Austria, other EU countries and other parts of Italy. If the supply chain gets interrupted, of course we have a big problem.

Saw the first queues at supermarkets yesterday and will definitely stock up on some more things today, because if a colleague gets sick and we‘re put into home isolation I can‘t leave the house at all for at least 2 weeks and I don‘t have anyone who‘d do the shopping for me.

Talked to an ex-colleague in Germany yesterday, they‘re also preparing for working from home and in shifts.

Please guys, prepare a bit, as this is coming elsewhere, at least to many places in Europe. And take your vitamins C, D and Omega3!

38BekkaJo
Mar 12, 1:40pm Top

Oh my! I've been awol but have been thinking of you as the restrictions on Italy worsen. I suspect we are all going to be in for it. Much love - keep in touch and we wont let you get lonely. X

39richardderus
Mar 12, 2:07pm Top

>37 Deern: It's very sobering indeed. I'm very sorry for the enforced isolation you're experiencing, but even more grateful we live in a cyber world where we can talk to each other at all hours.

40Deern
Mar 13, 1:36am Top

>38 BekkaJo: Austria has by now copied many of the restrictions, France is closing schools, Germany as usual is slow with the decisions as a federal republic, they’ll react region by region. it‘s all definitely travelling up North. Thinking of you and hoping your island situation will keep you safe!

>39 richardderus: Sobering is the right word. You half count on some war looming or climate crisis or similar, but then a virus changes everything in just a couple of weeks and you can‘t even go into resistance, just comply. I‘m also grateful for the cyber world, it makes isolation/quarantine easier to bear for everyone affected.

*******

My German friend told me they are aware restrictions will come, but until then they want to make the best of their freedom and go to parties/ events. So once the lockdown comes with some delay, there will be lots more of already infected people. The reaction is totally understandable, it‘s difficult to act against your sense of liberty, I also feel like my brain is running against a wall whenever I start thinking about it all.
In Tirol/Austria there have been lots of cases because a bar keeper was sick. Many tourists came back home and tested positive. And still a friend of my parents wanted to take his holiday in that town next week. Now they‘re finally closing down the ski areas. Here people went to val gardena, the most infected area in south tyrol for skiing a day before the lockdown, knowing about the many positive tourists, but wanting some fun before it all gets serious.
Now there are gatherings in parks which I fear might lead to a total ban of taking walks at all and even more police presence and controls.

41Deern
Edited: Mar 13, 7:37am Top

>35 PaulCranswick: 4 days in I'm almost used to it - maybe because our self-made masks give us more breathing room than a real face mask would. Now I'm also seeing masks in the street, but no other self-made ones.
About the shortages: went shopping again yesterday (as long as it's still possible without asking written permission - who knows where it'll all develop to). Fruit/vegetables were still almost sold out with the exception of a whole row of older golden delicious (quite unpopular here). I still miraculously got 2 broccoli from an almost empty box and there were some tomatos left and some of that green cauliflower, and then rows and rows of empty boxes. The situation should however improve again - I hope - now that truck traffic between Italy and Austria is running again after 80kms of queues in the last 2 days... (I was thinking of Brexit and truck queues in France/ Dover).

>36 charl08: Family and friends only in a virtual way, as you're not allowed to see anyone who doesn't live in the same household. Now they're also telling people to keep their distance in families, but at least that can't be controlled yet. I had been thinking about meeting M for a walk (with a nice 1m distance between us), but yesterday it was made clear that walks have to be taken alone, or if necessary with a child, and I saw police making controls on the promenade by the river.
Time spent outside for one‘s health can't be used for socializing.

What would we all do without socials, TV, books and streaming services? Let's hope that won't be interrupted.

**************
Went to the pharmacy yesterday for anti-allergy drops. It all went smoothly, had just to queue for a couple of minuted and got everything I needed. Pain medication however - like paracetamol, ibuprofen, etc has been sold out a while ago. as far as I know also in Germany where my aunt 10 days ago had to go to 4 pharmacies to finally get some pills from a big pack.
At the smaller supermarkets, people have to queue. In the bigger ones, access is open and people are all very disciplined at the checkouts and service counters. The staff is finally wearing masks, I hope they won't close down all those bigger places if one of them ist tested positive. People do much shopping now, just like me, but I generally don't see real panic purchases anymore since the first waves.

For the weekend I'm planning to start a small puzzle, to finally do some more yoga and meditation again and to either take a walk on my own or at least to spend some time in the sun on my small balcony. I might reactivate my wii fit and start indoor running again. :)
And I'll continue reading my two books that again have been on hold for the last days.

42PaulCranswick
Mar 13, 5:09am Top

>41 Deern: Take care of yourself, Nathalie.

43Carmenere
Mar 13, 11:48am Top

Yeah, you've got a new thread! Now that I've found you I'll scroll back up and catch up on your news.
Glad you're back!

44Deern
Edited: Mar 14, 1:21am Top

>42 PaulCranswick: You too (((((Paul)))))

>43 Carmenere: I just reread my earlier posts and was shocked again how quickly things have changed. As countries are reacting step by step and in very different pace, I fear we‘ll be in that trouble for a long time. China has estimated (that was on the Italian news yesterday) that if we ALL applied the strictest measures, we could dry that thing out by June, world wide. Not going to happen though...

********
Yesterday I took half the day off, because the cough gets so much worse with the paper handtowel mask on my face. Sat on the balcony for a bit and enjoyed the sun. Then the phone started ringing - several friends called to catch up, and in the end I couldn‘t speak anymore, so no real cough improvement yet. I think I was on the phone for almost 4 hours, but it was nice hearing from them all.

There are side effects of the situation that made me smile yesterday. Watched the registered finale of „Italia‘s got talent“ that had taken place on March 7th. It was strange: no audience, a substitute judge (Joe Bastianich wasn‘t allowed to travel), a substitute host, and those 5 people tried to make up for the lack of audience with loud applause and cheers, it was quite bizarre.

Read the Austrian online newspaper Der Standard that has a good Corona ticker in German (otherwise the Guardian‘s is great). The government had announced new regulations for 2 pm and people went crazy, panic buying all over the country from the early morning on and even running to the banks for cash. The forum users started a virtual toilet paper/hamster party that was really fun to read. Panic buying is called hamster buying or just ‚to hamster’ in German, basically stocking up, so you can do much with that expression (how many hamsters have you bought yet/ how do you prepare your hamster/ the best way to eat your hamster/ how to make a TP roll out of a hamster...)...all the silliness was very welcome.

45BekkaJo
Mar 14, 6:51am Top

Hope the cough starts to clear up - can't imagine having to keep a mask on and be coughing. *shudder* Take care of yourself!

46lauralkeet
Mar 14, 7:30am Top

I'm glad you're finding some friendship and humor in the midst of this, Nathalie. That has to be good for you (and yes: note to self).

47FAMeulstee
Edited: Mar 14, 9:27am Top

>44 Deern: Over here we have the same word for it "hamsteren" and I have also seen some silly and funny memes.
We need humor in times like these.

48alcottacre
Mar 14, 8:47am Top

We need humor in times like these is exactly right! I am glad you can find some, Nathalie. Hang in there!

49mnleona
Mar 14, 9:44am Top

Sometimes, I like to read the posts from people to see what books they are reading so I am new to this post.
I am in Minnesota and see most of you are in Europe.
I know someone who lives in Northern Italy and close to Austria. My grandparents are from the area.
We are having the same concerns in America also.
Take care everyone.
Leona

50Deern
Edited: Mar 15, 1:59am Top

>45 BekkaJo: So far it doesn‘t. Must start inhalations again (the old way over a water pot with thyme and other herbs...). I was made aware by a friend who works in the health department that with the cough I‘m at a higher risk of contracting the virus. No way will that get me a home office place though.

>46 lauralkeet: I know some might say ‚how can you laugh in that situation‘ , but what does it help to stare at the news all the time and slowly go crazy? I do stare at the news most of the time anyway, but there isn‘t anything I can do, so some silly fun is a short relief in all that anxiety. And hamsters are just such a welcome meme :)

>47 FAMeulstee: the poor hamsters :)
Yesterday someone posted he saw a guy buying 36 cartons of fresh milk and people started musing what to do with it before it goes bad. Someone else suggested shaking it to make butter, or better to throw a couple of hamsters into the milk, so they could paddle it into butter.
Wasn‘t there a hamster dance some years ago?

>48 alcottacre: I will, thank you Stasia! :)

>49 mnleona: Hi Leona, thank you for visiting! I used to read so much, and usually along lists and challenges, but a while ago I fell off the reading/reviewing completely and haven‘t found my way back yet. At least I‘m able to post again. I‘ll visit your thread later today.
Edit: sorry, couldn’t find you?

I live in Merano/South Tyrol, I guess your friend doesn‘t live that far from me.
Stay safe!

51vancouverdeb
Edited: Mar 15, 1:49am Top

Nathalie, I'm very sorry to read of the situation in Italy. It must be very hard. Here too, we hear all about the Covid- 19 virus all over the news. So far it has not really affected anyone very much. The government in Canada is recommending holidaying within Canada, and is planning to limit airports that International flight can arrive to. Many events have been cancelled , and events with more than 250 people are not recommended. Most churches and such are just doing virtual services. People are panic buying, but so far I have resisted that. My husband and I don't eat much in the way of canned food , so I'm not sure what I would purchase. The government here has been good, promising people that if they must be off due to the Covid -19 virus, the government will pay unemployment to anyone who does not have sick leave at their workplace. My husband works at the airport, and yesterday he was aboard at plane that had someone that later tested positive for Covid 19. I find I can't worry too much, so far. And I'm very good at worrying, so that is amazing. My two brothers are pilots and they seem quite calm as well.

Take care! Hugs!

52Deern
Mar 15, 1:51am Top

It‘s surprising how boring a day at home can be if you‘re not allowed to leave the house. I‘ve spent many weekends inside and always felt guilty and almost like an alien for it.
Now that I‘m forced to do exactly that, I suddenly want to go out and do other things. How childish is my brain??

I wanted to fast, but of course I ended up eating too much. Didn‘t read any books, just kept refreshing my usual 6 online newspapers until I had to restart my ipad. Watched stupid TV shows and (thanks Paul) did quizzes on sporcle. Did some yoga and other exercise, but not as much as planned. Cleaned up, did some washing. Now another day like that, but today I‘ll take a „walk for necessity“ to a cash dispenser, and of course I‘ll take latex gloves. It will be weird walking through that ghost town for the first time. I‘ll have an autocertificazione prepared, but I hope they won‘t stop me.

Austria has basically copied the Italian regulations, Spain as well, and France is on the way. Germany still believe they can get around it and with their federalism the government can‘t order anything. They’re closing schools, but that’s it for now. I‘m really worried about the UK and their big cities.

My parents decided they want to travel up North today to look at appartments. I don‘t know what to think. On the one hand, they put themselves into danger. On the other hand, once full restrictions are rolled out, they might not be able to travel for months, but still they‘re contractually forced to move out by October, so they do have to look for something new. I can just hope they stay safe.

Have a nice Sunday everyone!

53sibylline
Mar 15, 5:21pm Top

Hi Natalie, I'm glad to have you here again, glad to get your direct reports about life in Italia.

Oh boy, probably not a great idea for your parents to roam around, but hopefully they will be wise about washing up often.

54Deern
Edited: Mar 16, 8:41am Top

>52 Deern: I really, really hope that Canada and the other countries will not be hit as hard, that there'll be no lockdown and that holidays can be taken. If it means no tourism from abroad for Canada (and others), so be it. What is happening here is really scary, and it's not the peak yet.
And I hope of course that your husband is fine and has been sitting far from the positive traveller.

>53 sibylline: No good idea at all, I'm praying they won't catch anything (for my mum just a common cold means weeks of bronchitis) and will be back home as planned on Wednesday.

*******
Didn't read a single page all weekend - only Corona news from 6 online newspapers (2 local, one Italian, one useless German, the Guardian for worldwide info and the Austrian Standard hoping for hamster entertainment). And watched old Friends episodes and countless cooking shows. Did an online live yoga class which was fantastic and took a little walk in my neighborhood. Decided against going to the bank, it was likely the cash machine would be empty anyway. Not many people in the streets, a couple of single walkers, with and without dogs, some couples not touching or talking. It's difficult to describe the overall atmosphere of sadness.

Growing rates in Lombardy seem to have turned from exponential to linear, but are still way, way too high. Now younger people are dying as well, simply because there are no intensive beds left, no incubators and no trained personnel. Yesterday I read they transferred a case to Palermo, but they're now even out of extra ambulances.
Elsewhere in Italy numbers are going up steadily, much favored I guess by the exodus of people from Milan last Saturday night before the regulations hit (they were leaked). Understandable, but irresponsible nonetheless...

Back at work the new week has brought new rules: only max 2 people per office and a safety distance of 2m. Started at 6am (couldn't sleep) and hope to be able to leave by 3pm.

Have a nice day all, enjoy the sun where you can. :)

55charl08
Mar 16, 8:01am Top

Hi Nathalie, thinking of you. So sad to hear of patients suffering because of a lack of equipment. I was cheered by the account of the balcony singers / musicians (although tbh I would probably find it annoying in RL)

56mnleona
Mar 16, 9:28am Top

Nathalie- Best to you and your parents. >55 charl08: I also loved the singers. As they say here, make lemonade out of lemons. Praying for all.
Leona

57Deern
Mar 16, 12:56pm Top

>55 charl08: I saw a YT film yesterday from Vienna where a guy tried singing (quite nicely) from a window and an older neighbor was screaming at him to shut up. :)
They did something with torches last night, but I was already asleep - as I still have to work ...
(absolutely non-essential, but there‘s no regulation here for salaries being paid on like in Austria, so as long as they don‘t send us home we’d have to use up our holiday and I really don‘t see why I should do them that favor if they can‘t provide home office).

>56 mnleona: Thank you :)
And I‘d better not start singing anything from the balcony or anywhere else. They‘d throw bottles at me.

********
Well, as a side effect of going to work I also have to go grocery shopping more often. Unlike those at home I can‘t shop for 2 weeks and then shop again, but have to make sure that at any moment I have enough (fresh) food for the duration of a quarantine if a colleague falls ill. So double risk. Tried a different supermarket today hoping for a wider vegetable selection. I was right, but it was also the first time I had to queue outside. It‘s quite a big market and usually busy, but they only allowed 3 people inside at the same time. So far shopping has still felt quite normal, but this was weird - all alone in the aisles, no one talking, no greetings at the checkout. I wore latex gloves and saw others did the same. I hurried through and of course forgot some articles despite having made a list. But I bought another 4 rolls of TP. I managed to build up quite a collection with unsuspicious packs of 2 or 4, no obvious bulk buying. :)

58LizzieD
Edited: Mar 16, 12:59pm Top

>52 Deern: Exactly, Nathalie! Being self-isolated isn't all that different from many ordinary days for me, but I itch to go out and DO something after only 3+ days. My DH made another grocery run this morning and got most of the hamsters (love the term!) I had listed. No eggs though, and I forgot bananas. Our freezers are crammed full, and I think we have bought wisely; we've been working on it for a month. We need to stop, and he needs to stay home, but he's always been antsier than I am. Our governor has closed the public schools, and we're now instructed to stay out of gatherings with 50 people. I just rescheduled my mother's check-up with our doc for May 5. Wish I thought everything would be under control by that time.
I'm sorry for your restrictions, especially the ones that don't make sense for you. If they say DH and May and I can't walk together, I am going to be desolate.
Still not testing supplies here. That's one of the worst things - we just don't know where we are. I'd love to pick up a bit of lunch for us, but who knows whether some restaurant worker is infected and doing food prep or handling serving equipment?
Off to walk my mom's 6 back steps. It's pretty good exercise but boring!!!!!
Wishing and praying for safety for all of us and wisdom and patience!
(((((((Nathalie)))))))

ETA: My friend who has moved to the NC mountains says that she is no longer watching the news - just Animal Planet. I'm not there yet.

59Deern
Edited: Mar 17, 1:21pm Top

>58 LizzieD: (((((((((Peggy)))))))))
They don’t have test capacities (labs) for wide tests in any country, they don’t even test the doctors and nurses or most of the people who call the hotlines with symptoms.
I‘m mainly eating cooked and packed food now with the exception of bread (the staff there always wear gloves at least), I peel my apples and don‘t eat any more salad for now. Haven‘t really thought about the risks in takeaway, you‘re probably right to be careful.

I had stopped watching the news some years ago, restarted now (but not much), and I wish I could stop reading them, but (see next paragraph) I‘d certainly miss something important.

Feeling depressed and a bit overwhelmed today. I knew I‘d look back at last week‘s regulations with nostalgia... They changed the autocertificazione form again, last night. I only read it now and don’t have a printer at home, so I‘ll travel with an invalid form. How do old people cope I wonder? They can’t change the stupid form every 2 days and then fine you if you carry an older version?!? But this is very, very, very typical for Italy. I couldn’t even buy a printer if I wanted, computer shops are closed (although they should be open to provide home office solutions) and I doubt anything ordered will arrive anytime soon.

Shopping has changed as well. Long queues in front of my preferred supermarket, so I drove away. More and more controls...

I know, it all has to be done, it‘s important we reach the peak asap, I‘m just very pessimistic about the overall situation and fear that thing can’t be dried out anytime soon. And I’m terribly worried about my parents, who in the last3 days were in 3 hotels, 5 restaurants, I don’t know how many motorway restrooms and had close contact to several people.

At least there’s LT! :)
Will start that Bryson At Home book now, seems fitting.

60BekkaJo
Mar 17, 1:31pm Top

>59 Deern: *BIG HUGS*

That just all sounds rubbish :( And I agree, its the long term anxiety that is so lowering.

61Deern
Edited: Mar 18, 3:29am Top

>60 BekkaJo: Thank you and *BIG HUGS* to you :)

Yesterday there was much talk about how to make the best of the situation - usually directed at people who have to stay home and have a family. Like "enjoy the time together and do all the things you've postponed so far, like gardening, painting the balcony, etc...". That doesn't apply to me, so I wondered how I can benefit spritiually from the situation, and basically it's a great opportunity for letting go of attachments. Clinging pain/ the inability to let go (very childish, I know) is the main issue in my life. So now there's much happening that I don't like and I can't do anything about it. So my spiritual exercise is acceptance, letting go of useless desires, and maybe I'll come out of it ready for new exciting challenges and with less of that guilt-feeling that has been a burden since I can remember.

And I'm telling myself to grin under that stupid mask whenever possible.

I should add that opportunities for voluntary work are very rare so far, they use members of the red cross and other associations to do shopping for the elderly, etc. Maybe they'll open up for new people in a couple of weeks. Certainly my cough has to clear up before I can do anything, and my company would have to be okay with it.

62BekkaJo
Mar 18, 5:09am Top

*Hugs* I'm with you on the need to rid oneself of useless guilt. It is useless, but it becomes so much part of you. Sigh.

I keep telling myself at least it's sunny here - though it is showing me that I DESPERATELY need to clean the windows!! ;)

63charl08
Mar 18, 6:24am Top

>61 Deern: I read one of these tips for things to do self-isolating that had the first few points as cleaning related, and only mentioned books as about point 10. I need to clean, but I'm not going to rank it above reading!

64Deern
Edited: Mar 22, 4:48am Top

Haven’t been posting on my own thread for a couple of days as it’s too depressing. Have been good and stayed inside all of yesterday, am dreading today and hoping for bad weather.

Some updates:
Work
More restrictions since midnight, more companies are to close down, but mine being system relevant, I don’t see any change coming unless of course someone gets ill. I‘ll substitute for a colleague on parental leave (she just returned from maternity leave and is now off again) for two weeks, and that work is a basis for production and purchasing planning, so really important. After that, if she returns, we’ll have to see.

My cough is quite bad with the mask, I‘m much better in the afternoons at home and during the weekends. Demand for yogurt is so high now (panic buyers) that the poor guys in production and warehouse work 3 shifts, plus Saturday and Sunday. It was decided on Friday that it can’t go on like that, we have to keep the staff safe and healthy.

Parents:
My greatest source of worry, which I’m trying to suppress... They’re in their 70s, my mum has asthma, my dad had cancer - and last week they went up North for 4 days, slept in 3 hotels, went to x restaurants, met friends and family and stopped several times while traveling to use motorway restrooms. Now they’re back, are quite out of food and toilet paper (really!) although they’re and have been following the news all day and had plenty of time to stock up. Yesterday dad asked me to convince my mum not to come shopping with him. I told them both to stay at home, because there’s no need for old people (with a stock of 9 rolls of TP) to go shopping on a Saturday morning with everyone else a day after the lockdown in Bavaria has been decided. I hope they stay in until Tuesday when shelves should be restocked.
I checked, but there’s no grocery delivery service where they live. I hope their neighbors will help out a bit.

Love life:
M has learned baking bread and is gardening with his parents. Hear him twice a day. Told him yesterday to stock up on his thyroid pills (he‘s had cancer some years ago and the thyroid has been removed), otherwise he should be okay.

GOOD NEWS, as we need those:
fewer new infection suspects (suspects only, but hey, aren’t we happy about any number going down?) yesterday in South Tyrol for the first time, hoping very much it’s not just for limited test capacities. Hospitals are at their limits, generally we have a great system here, but there has never been much need for extra intensive beds with respiratory systems, this is a region where people break bones when hiking or skiing.

That was a long post... will watch some more Harry Potter now and return later.
Have a good Sunday all!!!

65Deern
Mar 22, 4:56am Top

Just went running in the courtyard for the first time while neighbors are still asleep. Might do that daily now, during the week in the evenings when everyone is inside again. Must move more, otherwise I‘m getting totally fat just cooking, eating, reading news and watching Tv. Eating mainly healthy food, but too much of it.

Yesterday I made a stir fry with marinated tofu, broccoli, zucchini, bell peppers, mushrooms and fennel. Today I‘ll probably have spaghetti with radicchio and the rest of the mushrooms in white wine. Defrosting parsnips for a soup and will throw in lentils for protein. Might make a cauliflower pizza tomorrow with the rest of my vegetables and hope I can stock up again on Tuesday.

66FAMeulstee
Mar 22, 10:21am Top

>64 Deern: I understand your worries about your parents, Nathalie. I do worry a bit about my father, who is sensible enough to stay home.
Good you keep in contact with M. Good advice, I always have at least 3 months of thyroid pills on stack.

>65 Deern: Those are the best times to go out. We walked yesterday around 18:00 (diner time), we only saw very few others at that time.

67alcottacre
Mar 22, 10:36am Top

>64 Deern: I am glad that there is a little good news for you, Nathalie! I hope that trend continues and things resume normality soon.

I understand your fears for your parents. Both of mine are in their 80s, although my mother does not travel at all any more. I am more worried about her getting something from my daughter, who lives with her, than her going out and catching anything. On the other hand, my father still goes out and about, and that is worrisome in and of itself. *sigh*

Have a great time with Harry Potter!

68Deern
Edited: Mar 22, 1:46pm Top

Almost 1000 less new infections and 140 deaths less compared to yesterday. Praying this is a trend, not an exception and that numbers will go down now.

69Deern
Mar 22, 1:40pm Top

Started another post earlier with replies, but was interrupted with several phone calls. Will reply tomorrow, thank you for visiting, Bekka, Charlotte, Anita and Stasia!

70richardderus
Mar 22, 3:58pm Top

And the band played on, as the saying goes...the work you're doing is urgent, so I'm glad you're doing it. Besdies, you would lose your mind if all you had to do was sit and stare at TV!

71Deern
Mar 26, 4:01am Top

>70 richardderus: You're SO right! Worried about M as it seems it's exactly what he's doing...

>62 BekkaJo: Cleaned the windows just recently and it immediately started raining and they were dirty again. :(

>63 charl08: I postpone my cleaning project from day to day and weekend to weekend. M however tells me he's done with his appartment and his parents' garden, next project is the garage, but for now (see above) he seems to be staring at the TV and internet all day and keeps sending me all kinds of links to hour-long youtube videos I mostly don't watch. Need some escapism.

>66 FAMeulstee: so far I went running exactly that one time, it is still too cold in the mornings and evenings and on sunday night I feared another cold might be coming. Maybe next week. For now doing some daily yoga, and not much else..

>67 alcottacre: HP was great! :D

Work is interrupting - I'll be back later.

72vancouverdeb
Mar 26, 4:09am Top

I am glad to hear covid 19 cases are slowing down in Italy, Nathalie. Dave, my husband and I get out daily for long walks. With a dog, we have no choice. He also goes to work , 5 on, 5 days off.

We had a nice sunny day yesterday .

73BekkaJo
Mar 26, 9:01am Top

Just checking in, making sure all is okay. Fingers crossed things start to improve for Italy now :(

74PaulCranswick
Mar 26, 10:23am Top

I read every word of your thread, Nathalie, and the sense of crisis is palpable in them - the queues, the weird talent show with no audience, the ideal of everybody trying to make the best of things.

I do hope that this thing will bring communities together after their enforced separation.

Wishing you safe and those who love you and who you love similarly safe.

75Deern
Mar 26, 11:51am Top

Hi Deborah, Bekka and Paul, thanks for visiting and the good wishes. I‘m having a very busy week at work with several hours of phone conferences for project work every day, not used to that anymore (back in Frankfurt it was my normal job). When I come home I spend at least another 3 hours on the phone, parents and M. daily, sometimes twice, and then many friends and relatives from Germany call to ask how I am and also to compare situations. By bedtime I can hardly speak anymore.

It seems Bavaria has decided to home-quarantine people over 65, so of course my parents are now worried. I haven’t any information yet how shopping and other things will be organized.

Infection rates really seem to have slowed down a bit, death rates not yet, but that‘s still a consequence of the high numbers earlier. I‘d hoped numbers would go down quicker, but as long as Milan hasn’t reached the peak yet... at least they said there has been slight relief in Brescia and Bergamo. This would be an important indication for other countries - it takes a good 2.5 weeks for first results to become visible.

76Deern
Mar 26, 11:58am Top

Just reading that numbers are up again in Lombardy! Can only hope that it’s regional (Milan went into lockdown several days after Brescia/Bergamo) and that Milan’s increase in newly infected has overtaken the decrease of the other two, then it would be explainable. Otherwise what else can the government do? we already have the military in the streets, the phone data being analyzed and the data of quarantined people passed on to the police. those effing numbers must go down!

77LizzieD
Mar 27, 7:42am Top

((((((((((Nathalie))))))))))- for what it's worth, and (((((Italy))))) - I hear on NPR that numbers are going down and pray that it's so.
Blessings on you!

78FAMeulstee
Mar 28, 6:18pm Top

>76 Deern: It is scary, Nathalie, the last two days not much relief in Italy :-(
I hope you and your partens stay well!

79charl08
Mar 29, 7:33am Top

Hi Nathalie, just wanted to drop in and say hello. Hope you've had a chance to do something you enjoy this weekend.
I am finding the rolling news stresses me out, although it did make me laugh that one of the emergency ventilator production groups is called "team penguin". I must look for some gentle yoga videos, I think. Please stay well.

80Deern
Mar 31, 6:22am Top

>77 LizzieD: ((((((((((Peggy)))))))))) Thank you, right now hugs are even more appreciated thatn usual! :)

>78 FAMeulstee: Now finally it looks a bit better (see below).

>79 charl08: Same here - can't deal with the rolling news any more. I'm actually glad I spend 8 daily hours in the office during the week and have to think of other subjects...

*******

Hi all, sorry for yet another (short) absence. I’m very busy at work, this week covering for 2 colleagues (in holiday, not sick), and as soon as I’m home it feels like I’m at the phone for the remaining hours. Last weekend I wanted to check in, but then I needed 2 days as far off communication as possible (exceptions being my parents and M with at least an hour daily for each). I didn’t watch any news, checked all my online newspapers just twice daily and in the last couple of days I avoided the 6pm “bollettino” – the new official numbers for Italy as I’m getting way too worked up, and that’s of no use for anyone. On Saturday and Sunday when I don’t see anybody, I refuse most of the Corona videos and podcasts M sends me all day and do something totally different. This weekend it was watching a whole series of Project Runway, and I finally re-activated my Wii fitness board. I had totally forgotten how good those muscle exercises are, and how bad I am at the balancing games. The aerobic exercises are fun as well, especially the running.

Back to Corona: well, the good news everyone might have noticed is that the numbers are going down, and Italy-wide. Even if (like last week) some lab might not have announced their numbers during the weekend, there definitely is improvement. Deaths not yet significantly down, but that’s because now people don’t die in Lombardy only, also in the other regions. There are usually 2-3 weeks between infection and death, so even once the infections are low, the deaths will still go on for a while, I fear.
But I'd say this is an important sign for everyone - it takes a couple of weeks, and it's no fun staying in and not having any social contact, but it has results!

We’re heading into week 4 of lockdown now, and it will go on at least until April 18th in the current, very strict form. The first thing they’ll do then is re-open production and building sites for non-essential goods and some more shops, it will much take longer for “gatherings” I fear. They already said bars and restaurants, gyms and similar places will be last. We don’t have to think about tourism this year, I guess.

I’m expecting mandatory mask-wearing for shopping like in Austria any moment, and it’s fine with me. I now hardly see anyone in the streets without mask/scarf anymore, even in the cars.
Thousands of now jobless people have signed up for farm and other work that’s usually done by foreigners, and that happened elsewhere as well (I know about Austria and Germany and the UK). However, farmers so far aren’t happy, probably because they know locals not used to that type of work will perform worse and ask for more payment (I could write something about work slaves, but you know what I mean anyway). On the other hand, you can’t just let all those people usually working in tourism stay unemployed for a year if there are other jobs available.

My parents are okay so far, my dad says he’s the only one wearing a mask and gloves in the supermarket, I’m so proud of him. :D

M. is bored, but calm. He still hopes to start work again in May, we’ll see. If he gets a health certificate and they let him teach in Austria, he will be gone for a while. Not a simple relationship… :/

Off now for my weekly grocery shopping if the lines aren't too long.

81BekkaJo
Mar 31, 8:01am Top

*waves from lockdown*

Glad everyone is keeping okay so far - fingers crossed everyone stays safe.

I keep trying to stop checking all the bulletins and failing miserably. Part of the reason is that my work remote access is so appalling during the day that it's either check media on my phone or throw the computer out the window!

I now want to watch Project runway...

Oh and Cass made me do lunges on the wii the other day. I hate lunges. As do my bum muscles...

82Deern
Apr 2, 6:38am Top

>81 BekkaJo: Hi Bekka! :)
The wii balance exercises are clearly too hard for me. With the ski jumps, I always have a good try and then fall down the thing on the second jump, because "I don't stretch my legs quickly enough". Clearly getting old! :(
With the lunges, I'm at 100%, but I hate them! Can hardly get back up after the last ones.

*****
Okay, so on Tuesday I spent an hour on the phone, listening to my parents arguing about their next move - where to, when, and whether to split up altogether... Seriously, can't they grow up?

Yesterday I was feeling really low mentally, and also a bit like I might be catching yet another cold. Wouldn't be a surprise with the cold outside and the windows in the offices being half-open all day. I wish I could take a walk in the sun!!!

Today my parents told me that my former business partner (some might remember) is in hospital with Covid, and he's very ill. He contracted it from his wife (they found out yesterday), and just two weeks ago my parents had travelled up North to see both of them and later told me she'd had such an exceptionally bad cold, yet they went to their house and had dinner in a restaurant. My mum complained about 4-5 days after their return of a bit of a sore throat and coughing, but then this is so normal for her in spring with the first pollen around. She coughs all year and has a sore throat most of the time and uses cortison spray at least twice a day, so no-one was worried for a minute.

She has no fever or any other symptoms so far, but she will be tested now, probably tomorrow. My dad is completely symptom-free and for now won't be tested. I'm still half-angry they went up there at all - even if they didn't get it from their friend, they could have caught it everywhere: the 3 hotels, the 3 restaurants, the cafés, the shopping center, the relatives they met...
For now all I can do is hope she's negative or at least will have the mildest version possible for people of their age. The same for my dad, who would certainly get it as well.

A good sign for her health is that my mum got angry when I told her she might not be allowed to wash any clothes for the next two weeks. They have their washing machine and dryer in the common washing room of the house, not in their appartment, and my mum washes and irons every day!

On Tuesday my friend Chrystel was tested as well, after basically having had a panic attack when she realized she'd been out without a mask. The hotline didn't want to (no fever, just a cough, and "shaking" that went away when she ate something), so she contacted a doctor friend in a private hospital and they had an ambulance sent to her. The test was negative, so now she's relieved and happy.

83figsfromthistle
Apr 2, 7:43am Top

>82 Deern: Quite an update! Glad your friend is Ok :)

In the meantime, happy reading!

84FAMeulstee
Apr 2, 12:31pm Top

>82 Deern: Glad to see a msg from you, Nathalie!

Sorry that your parents are at risk, I hope they stay Covid free. Not all elder people get the worse kind, I just read an article about a 104 year woman who just recovered from it.

85LizzieD
Apr 2, 11:34pm Top

Whew. I'll be glad to hear that your mother's test is negative. Keep us posted.
AND take care of yourself! I'm glad that Chrystel is relieved and happy.

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