The term 'Anglo-Welsh'

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The term 'Anglo-Welsh'

1GregsBookCell
Mar 16, 2009, 10:14am

I wonder what you think about the fact that the descriptive term 'Anglo-Welsh Literature' seems largely to have be displaced by 'Welsh Writing in English'. This seems to me more than just a shift in nomenclature and I touch upon the reasons why in my review (on this site) of Ian Gregson's book 'The New Poetry in Wales'.

2aidanbyrne
Nov 5, 2015, 5:20am

Hi all.
I'm a little uncomfortable about the term Anglo-Welsh, which conveys a particular cultural position rather than the purely descriptive Welsh Writing in English (though there's an endless debate about what constitutes 'Welsh' here, of course).
Aidan
(secretary of the Association for Welsh Writing in English)

3Crypto-Willobie
Nov 5, 2015, 9:12am

Bore da, Aidan - Very glad to see you here. Point taken about the terminology. I'm behind the times there. I remember reading things in the Anglo-Welsh Review at university in the 1970s, so that's where it resonates for me. Now on LT I find myself casting about for where to post about, say, David Jones or Dannie Abse or the re-imagined Mabinogion series, and the only other Welsh-related group group that isn't all about Arthur and druids and fantasy/mythology is the Irish & Celtic Studies group which is dominated by Gaelic matters. So here I am...

Unfortunately, the fellow who started this group in 2009 seems to have entered all his books in a single month, started this group, and then disappeared. And the group never really took off. I think it's not impossible it might become a going concern but I suppose we would need to petition the Powers to designate someone else to be the Admin -- and then we can change the name, either to Welsh Writing in English or perhaps to something even a bit broader. Suggestions? I invited a couple other residents of Wales whose reviews I enjoy but you're the first to show up.

What do you think?

4.Monkey.
Nov 5, 2015, 9:29am

You could simply start a new group. LT doesn't take kindly to messing with things other people do, so the odds of them allowing the group to pass hands without an OK from the creator? Nil. There's only 7 group members, and aside of the absentee admin, two of the others appear to also not be around the site anymore. It's not like you'd really be inconveniencing anyone to make a new group with a name you feel appropriate.

5Crypto-Willobie
Nov 5, 2015, 9:53am

"so the odds of them allowing the group to pass hands without an OK from the creator? Nil. "

Nil? Not really true. I've observed instances of Admin transfer following an Admin disappearance, though I can no longer recall the examples. And I like to 'preserve the past', and think there are already too many duplicative groups on LT. Still, your suggestion might be the most efficient way forward.

Aidan, have you a suggestion for a new name or better umbrella concept? I've also invited users ed.pendragon and shanaqui to this group, since I've enjoyed their reviews. If we started a new group we could invite members from other dormant Wales-related groups (which I hadn't noticed before) such as Welsh Learners http://www.librarything.com/groups/welshlearners , LibraryThing in Welsh http://www.librarything.com/groups/welshtranslationofli , and Wales http://www.librarything.com/groups/wales .

6MarthaJeanne
Edited: Nov 5, 2015, 10:06am

All you have to do is inform Lorannen that you have agreed on a new admin.

Groups belong to the people who are using them.

7Crypto-Willobie
Edited: Nov 6, 2015, 10:37am

I've now read Greg Hill's very interesting review (mentioned in the first post above: http://www.librarything.com/work/6932398/reviews ) of Ian Gregson's The New Poetry in Wales on 'Anglo-Welsh Literature' vs 'Welsh Writing in English'. Very illuminating, though Gregson seems to be in thrall to various kinds of post-structuralist 'theory'. (Sometimes I think that 'theory' is to lit crit as Stalinism is to socialism.)

I realize that an LT group on Wales or Welsh lit is never going to become an important on-line nexus for Cymric matters, but I think there may be enough interested, informed LT users to make a go of a rejuvenated (or new) group. I think it might help to broaden the focus beyond just WWiE/AWL. Perhaps as a group name:

WRITING WALES

with a series of subheads at the top of the group page:

- Ysgrifen Cymraeg (have i got that right?)
- Welsh Writing in English
- Welsh History
- Welsh Culture
- Welsh Diaspora

Anyone want to suggest a better set-up or group name? Or just tell me to go away?

8Crypto-Willobie
Feb 22, 2016, 5:13pm

Message received, I suppose.

9spiralsheep
May 24, 2021, 9:03am

>8 Crypto-Willobie: I nominate Crypto-Willobie for this group's new admin, and I believe the process is less convoluted now.

I also like the title Welsh Writing in English or Welsh Culture or Welshness or whatever, also happy with Cymric Culture in English or a variation.

I dislike Anglo-Welsh for the same reason that academic medievalists and other history professionals are currently trying to rid themselves of the term "Anglo-" anything except in some rare and possibly hypothetical example when it refers to actual Angles and the term "Angles" doesn't work for some bizarre reason (I personally tend to use "anglophone" instead of English-speaking but am prepared to swap because why not oblige my esteemed colleagues? :D ).

Rhwng Gwy a Hafren forever! >;-)

10Crypto-Willobie
May 24, 2021, 10:00am

>9 spiralsheep:

Thanks, but I already have more admin work than I can easily handle in some other groups. And as far as I can tell there is almost no interest in this group from other users.

I nominate you!

11spiralsheep
May 24, 2021, 10:04am

>10 Crypto-Willobie: I'm immune to nomination due to being an LT Talk newbie. :-)