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Jul 26, 2006, 10:46am

Welcome to the Irish Thingamlibrarians group. Please, no politics.

Jul 26, 2006, 11:26am

Nice photo! That's the Poulnabrone Dolmen on the Burren, isn't it? (The one time I saw it was in 1986, when it was covered in scaffolding for restoration!)

Jul 26, 2006, 12:15pm

Indeed it is, I was kinda looking to get a nice harp design but when I came across this one I opted for it.

Jul 26, 2006, 12:28pm

I'm not Irish, but son's name is "Liam Patrick," so I'm going to claim the right to a single comment: Change the description to include the world "Ireland." The "search for groups" box searches both, and, if you don't, someone is likely to search for "Ireland" and, not finding a group, make one.

On dolmen, I saw a good deal more of them in France—the very word is Breton—than in Connemara. Are they a national symbol?

On a related note, it might amuse you to learn that the city fathers of Dublin, Ohio—which I visted recently—ordains big cartoon-y shamrocks for its street signs. Ah, America.

Okay, my Irish coin is up. :)

Jul 26, 2006, 12:49pm

Thanks for setting it up wyvernfriend. Being Irish, I feel duty bound to put my name on this list. My faourite book on Ireland: Atlas of the Irish Rural Landscape

Jul 26, 2006, 1:30pm

Done with the inclusion of Ireland in the description.

There are a lot of Dolmens in Ireland, particularly in Co. Clare, plus it was one of the more inviting images the government had on their web site 8)

I made a conscious decision to avoid shamrocks and all things cartoon Irish.

Jul 26, 2006, 1:31pm

You're welcome.

What attracts you particularly to that book?

Jul 26, 2006, 2:05pm

It's well put together, great maps, graphs, illustrations, plus it has a whole section devoted to Hook Head in County Wexford, a wonderful place to be on a summer evening. Unfortunately I'm stuck in sticky South London!

Jul 26, 2006, 2:22pm

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Jul 26, 2006, 2:25pm

Oops, sorry, posted a blank message by mistake.

tries again

Is this group only for Irish citizens, or are hyphenated Irish-fillintheblanks also OK (especially when we're the type who DON'T care for "shamrocks and all things cartoon Irish")?

Jul 26, 2006, 3:47pm

fillintheblanks more than welcome as far as I'm concerned :)

Jul 26, 2006, 4:36pm

So long as people don't start expecting the shamrocks and annoying politics stuff they're welcome.

13ExVivre First Message
Jul 26, 2006, 6:01pm

I'm joining as an Irish-fillintheblanks, and I solemnly swear the only shamrocks I'm concerned with are in a planter in my living room.

Now on to the books... Can anyone recommend a good, generalized history of Ireland? Or even histories dealing with specific time periods? I've found my knowledge in this area to be woefully lacking. Thanks! :)

14danbrady First Message
Jul 26, 2006, 6:07pm

My Grandfather was actually born and raised in Glasgow, but his father came from Cavan. I am what is commonly referred to in Chicago as South Side Irish (go Sox). My library reflects my (once raging, now calming) interest in all things about Ireland. As for the annoying politics stuff, I agree there is little need to muddy our waters here.

15jkavanagh First Message
Jul 26, 2006, 8:37pm

Just discovered Irish librarythingers and feel compelled to join. from Donegal won't mention shamrocks or leprechauns or Daniel O' Donnell.
Best Irish book Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman.

16francescadefreitas First Message
Jul 26, 2006, 9:14pm

That, and my shiny renewed Irish passport made it absolutely imperative that I join and cast a vote for At Swim-Two-Birds! (Also Flann O'Brien)

Jul 26, 2006, 10:53pm

Thanks for allowing me, then! I'm a (mainly) Irish- (entirely) -Canadian who would like to place yet another vote in favour of Flann O'Brien O'Nolan Myles na gCopaleen and so forth. (If I had to choose one book, it would be The Third Policeman; but At Swim-Two-Birds comes a very close second, since I also love Suibhne Gealt.)

I suppose many people here may already know this, but because the novel The Third Policeman appeared briefly in a shot on the American TV series "Lost", its publishers promptly sold 10,000 in the United States in the following two weeks. Good on "Lost", because I don't suppose most people would ever have come across the book otherwise. It's a gem.

Jul 26, 2006, 11:01pm

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Jul 26, 2006, 11:03pm

oops, duplicate ... and a reworded one at that!

On the plus side, we're bumping back up towards the top of Tim's Most active message board list again!

20litriocht First Message
Jul 27, 2006, 12:22am

Flann O'Brien's fun. On a more modern note, I also love Eilis Ni Dhuibhne. But I suspect females will enjoy her work more than males.

Jul 27, 2006, 10:06am

Well I'm officially Irish, so I had to join :)

Can you believe I've never read any of Flann O'Brien's books. I've skimmed a few of Myles na gCopaleen's Cruiskeen Lawn's though. And I do have The Third Policeman at home somewhere, I really should open it up at some stage.

Jul 27, 2006, 4:04pm

Read at swim-two-birds because, well, I kinda had to because it was the one book one city book for Dublin for June/july. I honestly idn't get on that well with it and my bookclub, the dublin (and surrounding counties) bookcrossers didn't get on too well with it either.

I suppose I'm just not the right market for it.

Jul 27, 2006, 4:54pm

On a completely not-related-to-books topic... I don't suppose anyone here is fond of the old Channel Four series "Father Ted" (or even remembers it)? I've been mystifying the people on the "Tea!" group with mentions of Mrs Doyle...

24klmccook First Message
Jul 27, 2006, 5:21pm

A few favorites..O' Connor'sStar of the Sea; The Tenants of Time...well most anything by Thomas Flanagan; and Keith Ridgeway's The Parts was a stunner.

Jul 27, 2006, 7:40pm

Heh heh. My favorite "Father Ted" episode is the one with the milkman who likes to visit all the neighborhood ladies.

Jul 28, 2006, 6:03am

WHo can say they are Irish and not love Father Ted? I exagerate, slightly :)
It is being repeated on RTE 2 at the moment. Last episode was the whistle one. With Fr. Damo. Great stuff.

Jul 28, 2006, 11:53am

I think Portal Tombs aka Dolmens are probably the least common megalithic tomb in Ireland
Wedge tombs are much more prevalent, although they definitely look less spectacular
Even though I've never been to brittany I think you're right, and it's much more common there than in Ireland - I can't even remember seeing any Dolmens in Connemara and only a few in the Burren.

Jul 28, 2006, 2:02pm

ExVivre: F.S.L Lyons Ireland Since the Famine is a good 1 volume history of modern Ireland

29rianae First Message
Jul 30, 2006, 11:05am

As my mother was born in Co.Limerick, I thought I may have at least half the criteria to join this group!

Great Book that I purchased on my last holiday in Ireland (Oct.2005) The story of the Irish Race, by Seamas MacManus....

Jul 31, 2006, 6:26pm

ah! go on,go on,go on

Aug 2, 2006, 8:17am

To jkavanagh: You're brilliant! :) Now I'm going to have "ah, go on, go on, go on" stuck in my head all day...

Aug 2, 2006, 1:12pm

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Aug 2, 2006, 6:42pm

yes. that counts. jump in - you're irish

34missjones First Message
Aug 5, 2006, 5:40pm

Father Ted is absolute genius. I’m with litriocht on the Pat Mustard episode being the best – I think it’s the fact that they end up saying mass on a trailer alongside the milk float!

Aug 5, 2006, 7:04pm

For me, the funniest Father Ted was "The Old Grey Whistle Theft" - particularly the picnic on the Burren with the irate couple and the No Swearing sign. (Fup off!) That whole scene could have been written by Flann O'Brien.

Oct 1, 2006, 1:53am

Hello all. I have joined as an Irish-American; thanks for accepting us fillintheblanks.

ExVivre: As far as general Irish history books, I recently finished The Course of Irish History, which some will say is the definitive book on the subject, while others are less enthusiastic about it. All I can say is that I found it to be very good. Its biggest fault may be that it assumes the reader has knowledge of particular events, as a result, some important things are not explained in much depth.

That said, if you’re just beginning to read Irish history, you may want to start with a more basic introduction. I have either read or browsed the Irish history ‘Dummies’, ‘Idiots’ and ‘Everything’ books, and any one of them does a fair job of providing an introduction--though they certainly do not go much further.

Oct 1, 2006, 5:24pm

Irish translation now open....


Oct 2, 2006, 7:48am

I have a passport with a harp on the cover but have never come in from the diaspora for more than a few weeks at time.
Ireland : a history / Robert Kee. (1995).. A three volume Penguin history written by an Englishman.

Oct 5, 2006, 7:12am

Not Irish, but living in Ireland for the past 20 years or so, and for the foreseeable future... Hi all! (Haven't learned enough Irish to help with the translation, sorry...)

Nov 2, 2006, 10:47am

Greetings, all! I was born in County Clare but came to the U.S. with my family when I was five years old. I won't say how long I've been living in the U.S. since that would be revealing my age, but let's just say it's been quite a long time! So long that I guess I would now be considered Irish-American.

Nice to be here.

Edited: Nov 7, 2006, 7:45am

Hi all. Can I join - I'm not Irish but I have been living here for 13 years. Forgot: my favourite Irish novel to date is (At-Swim-Two-Birds).

Edited: Nov 21, 2006, 1:34pm

As some of you may know, Máirtín Ó Cadhain was a Gaelic novelists born in Galway in the West of Ireland and has long been regarded as the most outstanding prose writer in Irish, but is virtually unknown outside of Ireland since his work has been published mostly in Irish. Many consider his Cré na Cille (a ruthless social analysis of rural community ill-feeling, revealed by the conversations and monologues of the corpses in the local graveyard, and published in English as The Clay Graveyard) to be the greatest novel published in Irish in the 20th century.

Last evening I picked up his Dhá Scéal/Two Stories which were translated by Louis De Paor, Mike McCormack and Lochlainn Ó Tuairisg, who present two stories "The Edge Of The Bog" and "The Stranger", alongside the original Irish of Ó Cadhain. Both of these are from his 1953 collection "Cois Caoláire". These are grand stories indeed, and time well spent. I wish more of his stories were available in English.

43jowens0000 First Message
Nov 26, 2006, 3:04pm

Hello to all participating in the Irish Librarythingers. I am not going to confess my affiliation with Ireland- will just keep you guessing- but do have a question about current day Irish fiction writers- as who would be the three most renowned (again currently) in terms of contribution to Irish literature (as opposed to simply populat press writing)? Look forward to your response(s).

San Jose, CA

44dreamerb First Message
Dec 22, 2006, 12:02pm

William Trevor is up there as one of my favourite living, writing Irish authors - beautiful, economical prose, which still manages to be very evocative. I also really like Anne Enright's writing - another very elegant writer; I don't much like Edna O'Brien's writing, though some people think she's marvellous. I have a mean suspicion that having her books banned in Ireland in the 1960s was probably commercially the best thing that ever happened to her. Eugene McCabe is excellent, and in Heaven Lies About Us writes about the hypocrisy of the Ireland of twenty and more years ago with restrained rage.

I've read relatively little from the usual suspects - Patrick McCabe, the late great John McGahern, or Colm Toibin, but have resolved to remedy the omission over the next while.

Oct 17, 2007, 1:03pm

for Sean Long
Hi Sean I have a first edition of Cre Na Cille published Dublin 1949. Just thought I would let you know that.

Edited: Oct 17, 2007, 3:48pm

OK, I'm a year late answering these questions, but sure, truth is timeless.

Best Irish novel: I'll go along with several other voters and nominate Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman. It's not like anything else, I think it even startled poor Brian Ó Núalláin, and he wrote it.

Modern Ireland is less well served, I think, but that could be because, since the early 1990s, Ireland's been changing so fast it's impossible to catch a likeness. A lot of the best new writers keep going back to the seventies, the sixties, fifties, the fecking famine...

Two good books from the last decade or two that catch a flavour of modern Ireland, and rock hard in their own right: Getting It In The Head by Mike McCormack, and There Are Little Kingdoms by Kevin Barry. Both are short story collections (maybe modern Ireland's easier to capture in a series of flashes).

On a different note entirely: Hey! Chuck Taggart! My man! I see you're on this list. Big love to the Gumbo massive...

-Julian Gough

London, Galway & Berlin
"The novel reinvented while you wait."

Oct 17, 2007, 5:53pm

Congrats to Anne Enright, the Dublin woman picked up the Booker Prize last night for her novel "The Gathering", another triumph for the Irish.

Oct 31, 2007, 11:17am

Beannachtaí na féile daoibh a chairde!
Tá oíche shamhna ann!

Saoránach Ní Cheallaigh