Andrew Macdonald (1)
Author of The Turner Diaries
For other authors named Andrew Macdonald, see the disambiguation page.
Andrew Macdonald (1) has been aliased into William L. Pierce.
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- William Luther Pierce III (September 11, 1933 – July 23, 2002), was the leader of the white separatist National Alliance organization, and a principal ideologue of the white nationalist movement. First educated as a physicist, he later worked with George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party. He achieved notoriety as the author of a novel, The Turner Diaries (1978), written under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald. He founded a religion he called Cosmotheism, which is a hybrid of White Racialism, pantheism, and eugenics. (Wikipedia)
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For my birthday I received a copy of The Turner Diaries, normally I would put a link in but any link I put in would get old quite quickly. While I had certainly heard of the book before I had never even seen a copy. So I was interested in finding out exactly what this book was about.
The conceit of the book is that 100 years after The Great Revolution a diary is found that was written by an ordinary member of the Organisation called Earl Turner. Everything is written from his point of view, show more with the exception of some notes to explain things, mostly for a future audience, not us. It begins in 1991 and goes until 1993, but it is not a day by day account. Dramatically I understand why the book has proven so popular. It is easy to read and always logical, it covers a great deal of ground, different types of action and locations. It shows you what is happening and gets the reader into the story. It is also technical, so if your interested in weapons or 'how would that work' questions then that is there. Just enough but never too much. Things constantly happen so it's hard to get bored at any point. Earl Turner is also an interesting character, both an everyman that most men can relate too and a heroic character. One forced by circumstances to go from everyman to hero. In the beginning Turner finds it hard to believe that he is capable of killing, by the end he kills countless people. While I won't spoil the story, I think it fair to say that the book and the violence within the book escalates by quite a bit.
So why is this book so controversial?
The book also escalates it's racial violence, at the start Whites need protection from the government. But the Organisation isn't Pro-White, it's anti-everybody who isn't White. Their ideology is at times anti-Black, at others anti-Jewish and at others anti-Liberal. Each is criticised multiple times throughout, but not at the same time. Each is treated as a separate issue. Just as the White traitors are always treated as a symptom of the disease and not as a cause, even though they are the ultimate cause of the problems. I was going to write that the killing of non-Whites was extreme, but actually the killing of Whites by the Organisation is also extreme. Turner and the Organisation are fanatics and killing people comes to mean nothing to them. Everything becomes about ends not means and killing anyone regardless of race or guilt to achieve those ends is justified in the book. Of course most people who dismiss this book simply call it racist, but it's not just non-Whites who die in droves.
As a story it's a good action story, it never lets up, something is always happening or about to happen. But this book is also about ideology, and a book that kills all non-Whites and a good deal of Whites is not a book on how to achieve our aims but one that shows us how things should not be done! show less
The conceit of the book is that 100 years after The Great Revolution a diary is found that was written by an ordinary member of the Organisation called Earl Turner. Everything is written from his point of view, show more with the exception of some notes to explain things, mostly for a future audience, not us. It begins in 1991 and goes until 1993, but it is not a day by day account. Dramatically I understand why the book has proven so popular. It is easy to read and always logical, it covers a great deal of ground, different types of action and locations. It shows you what is happening and gets the reader into the story. It is also technical, so if your interested in weapons or 'how would that work' questions then that is there. Just enough but never too much. Things constantly happen so it's hard to get bored at any point. Earl Turner is also an interesting character, both an everyman that most men can relate too and a heroic character. One forced by circumstances to go from everyman to hero. In the beginning Turner finds it hard to believe that he is capable of killing, by the end he kills countless people. While I won't spoil the story, I think it fair to say that the book and the violence within the book escalates by quite a bit.
So why is this book so controversial?
The book also escalates it's racial violence, at the start Whites need protection from the government. But the Organisation isn't Pro-White, it's anti-everybody who isn't White. Their ideology is at times anti-Black, at others anti-Jewish and at others anti-Liberal. Each is criticised multiple times throughout, but not at the same time. Each is treated as a separate issue. Just as the White traitors are always treated as a symptom of the disease and not as a cause, even though they are the ultimate cause of the problems. I was going to write that the killing of non-Whites was extreme, but actually the killing of Whites by the Organisation is also extreme. Turner and the Organisation are fanatics and killing people comes to mean nothing to them. Everything becomes about ends not means and killing anyone regardless of race or guilt to achieve those ends is justified in the book. Of course most people who dismiss this book simply call it racist, but it's not just non-Whites who die in droves.
As a story it's a good action story, it never lets up, something is always happening or about to happen. But this book is also about ideology, and a book that kills all non-Whites and a good deal of Whites is not a book on how to achieve our aims but one that shows us how things should not be done! show less
English review at the bottom.
Всеки път, когато видя някой да носи тениска на Че Гевара се питам, този човек изобщо знае ли кой е Че, какво е правил и за какво се е борил? Разбира се, в огромното мнозинство от случаите отговорът е "не", хората с тия тениски нямат идея нито за идеологията му, show more нито за методите му за постигането й - за показните растрели, които лично е изпълнявал, за масовите убийства на политически противници, за жестоката му омраза към чернокожи и хомосексуални, за идеята му да направи в Латинска Америка система от концентрационни/трудови лагери за "буржоазни дегенерати" по примера на Гулаг в СССР...
Но любовта към Че е само един пример на много по-голяма тенденция: очевидно има нещо в идеята за всякакъв вид промяна на статуквото, което привлича младите хора - и те се увличат по всякакъв вид "революционни" идеологии, без да имат ни най-малка представа какво всъщност включва една революция, която цели радикално да промени обществото и обществения ред.
Е, за незапознатите с историята, The Turner Diaries дава един литературен пример за революция - в случая, крайнодясна, от гледната точка на един от нейните активисти, който в началото се занимава с подривна дейност, после с организационна, докато накрая жертва живота си в името на каузата.
Първата половина от книгата, в която главният герой прави бомби и ръководи подземна революционна клетка, много напомня ранния живот и работа на Сталин, които са един непрестанен низ от обири, рекет, убийства, пропагандна дейност и надбягване с полицията. Разбира се, в The Turner Diaries основният враг са Американското правителство и Израел, а избитите - главно негри и евреи... но методите са същите.
След завземането на властта в щата Калифорния, революционната идея се развихря до истинския си "блясък" - доста идеализирано описан, революциите никога не се получават точно така, както са планирани и както им се иска на революционерите. Милиони хора са прогонени, десетки хиляди - избити като "расови врагове", а по-късно стотици милиони са изтребени с атомни бомби, защото не се включват в представите на революционерите за бъдещото перфектно общество.
Естествено, много лесно е да кажем, че авторът е гнусен расист и описаното от него са болните му фантазии - и това безспорно е така. Това, което аз искам да кажа обаче е, че идеолозите на всяка революция имат подобни болни фантазии, които накрая опират до избиване на голям брой невинни хора (т.е. според тях виновни в нещо - че са кулаци, привърженици на стария ред, с друг цвят на кожата и т.н. и т.н.), които са единствената пречка пред постигането на мечтаната утопия.
Неслучайно след прехвалената Френска революция гилотините работят денонощно месеци наред, обезглавявайки стотици хиляди хора в кървава оргия на самозабравилите се идеолози, които иначе се борят за "Свобода, Равенство, Братство!". Неслучайно Хитлер и Сталин избиват милиони и пращат още милиони в лагери, в искрения си стремеж да създадат перфектното общество.
Защото това е цената на революцията и The Turner Diaries безпощадно и цинично ни я натиква в гърлото, та дано я видим.
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Every time I see someone wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt, I wonder, does this person even know who Che is, what he did and what he fought for? Of course, in the vast majority of cases the answer is "no", people with these T-shirts have no idea about his ideology or his methods for achieving it - about the showy shootings he personally carried out, about the mass murders of political opponents, about his cruel hatred of blacks and homosexuals, about his idea of making a system of concentration / labor camps for "bourgeois degenerates" in Latin America, following the example of the Gulag in the USSR ...
But the love of Che is just one example of a much bigger trend: there is obviously something in the idea of any kind of status quo change that attracts young people - and they get carried away by all kinds of "revolutionary" ideologies without having the slightest idea of what a revolution that aims to radically change society and public order actually involves.
Well, for those unfamiliar with the story, The Turner Diaries provides a literary example of a revolution - in this case a far-right one, from the point of view of one of its activists, who's role was initially subversive, then organizational, and finally he sacrificed his life in the name of the Revolution.
The first half of the book, in which the protagonist makes bombs and runs an underground revolutionary cell, is very reminiscent of Stalin's early life and work, which are a continuous series of robberies, racketeering, assassinations, propaganda and playing hide&seek with the police. Of course, in The Turner Diaries, the main enemies are the US government and Israel, and the victims of the revolutionaries are mostly black and Jewish people ... but the methods are the same.
After taking power in the state of California, the revolutionary idea flourished to its true "brilliance" - quite perfectly described, revolutions never turn out exactly as planned and as good as the revolutionaries wanted. Millions of people were expelled, tens of thousands were killed as "racial enemies," and hundreds of millions were later exterminated with atomic bombs because they did not fit into the revolutionaries' notions of a future perfect society.
Of course, it is very easy to say that the author is a disgusting racist and what he describes are his sick fantasies - and this is undoubtedly the case. What I want to say, however, is that the ideologues of every revolution have such sick fantasies that they end up killing a large number of innocent people (ie, they think those people are guilty of something - that they are kulaks, supporters of the old order, have a different skin color, etc., etc.), because they see those people as the only obstacle to achieving the dream utopia.
It is no coincidence that after the lauded French Revolution, guillotines have been working around the clock for months, beheading hundreds of thousands of people in a bloody orgy of ideologues in action who otherwise fight for "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood!" It is no coincidence that Hitler and Stalin killed millions and sent millions more to camps, in their sincere quest to create the perfect society.
Because this is the price of a true revolution, and The Turner Diaries relentlessly and cynically shoves it down our throats. I hope people see what it is. show less
Всеки път, когато видя някой да носи тениска на Че Гевара се питам, този човек изобщо знае ли кой е Че, какво е правил и за какво се е борил? Разбира се, в огромното мнозинство от случаите отговорът е "не", хората с тия тениски нямат идея нито за идеологията му, show more нито за методите му за постигането й - за показните растрели, които лично е изпълнявал, за масовите убийства на политически противници, за жестоката му омраза към чернокожи и хомосексуални, за идеята му да направи в Латинска Америка система от концентрационни/трудови лагери за "буржоазни дегенерати" по примера на Гулаг в СССР...
Но любовта към Че е само един пример на много по-голяма тенденция: очевидно има нещо в идеята за всякакъв вид промяна на статуквото, което привлича младите хора - и те се увличат по всякакъв вид "революционни" идеологии, без да имат ни най-малка представа какво всъщност включва една революция, която цели радикално да промени обществото и обществения ред.
Е, за незапознатите с историята, The Turner Diaries дава един литературен пример за революция - в случая, крайнодясна, от гледната точка на един от нейните активисти, който в началото се занимава с подривна дейност, после с организационна, докато накрая жертва живота си в името на каузата.
Първата половина от книгата, в която главният герой прави бомби и ръководи подземна революционна клетка, много напомня ранния живот и работа на Сталин, които са един непрестанен низ от обири, рекет, убийства, пропагандна дейност и надбягване с полицията. Разбира се, в The Turner Diaries основният враг са Американското правителство и Израел, а избитите - главно негри и евреи... но методите са същите.
След завземането на властта в щата Калифорния, революционната идея се развихря до истинския си "блясък" - доста идеализирано описан, революциите никога не се получават точно така, както са планирани и както им се иска на революционерите. Милиони хора са прогонени, десетки хиляди - избити като "расови врагове", а по-късно стотици милиони са изтребени с атомни бомби, защото не се включват в представите на революционерите за бъдещото перфектно общество.
Естествено, много лесно е да кажем, че авторът е гнусен расист и описаното от него са болните му фантазии - и това безспорно е така. Това, което аз искам да кажа обаче е, че идеолозите на всяка революция имат подобни болни фантазии, които накрая опират до избиване на голям брой невинни хора (т.е. според тях виновни в нещо - че са кулаци, привърженици на стария ред, с друг цвят на кожата и т.н. и т.н.), които са единствената пречка пред постигането на мечтаната утопия.
Неслучайно след прехвалената Френска революция гилотините работят денонощно месеци наред, обезглавявайки стотици хиляди хора в кървава оргия на самозабравилите се идеолози, които иначе се борят за "Свобода, Равенство, Братство!". Неслучайно Хитлер и Сталин избиват милиони и пращат още милиони в лагери, в искрения си стремеж да създадат перфектното общество.
Защото това е цената на революцията и The Turner Diaries безпощадно и цинично ни я натиква в гърлото, та дано я видим.
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Every time I see someone wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt, I wonder, does this person even know who Che is, what he did and what he fought for? Of course, in the vast majority of cases the answer is "no", people with these T-shirts have no idea about his ideology or his methods for achieving it - about the showy shootings he personally carried out, about the mass murders of political opponents, about his cruel hatred of blacks and homosexuals, about his idea of making a system of concentration / labor camps for "bourgeois degenerates" in Latin America, following the example of the Gulag in the USSR ...
But the love of Che is just one example of a much bigger trend: there is obviously something in the idea of any kind of status quo change that attracts young people - and they get carried away by all kinds of "revolutionary" ideologies without having the slightest idea of what a revolution that aims to radically change society and public order actually involves.
Well, for those unfamiliar with the story, The Turner Diaries provides a literary example of a revolution - in this case a far-right one, from the point of view of one of its activists, who's role was initially subversive, then organizational, and finally he sacrificed his life in the name of the Revolution.
The first half of the book, in which the protagonist makes bombs and runs an underground revolutionary cell, is very reminiscent of Stalin's early life and work, which are a continuous series of robberies, racketeering, assassinations, propaganda and playing hide&seek with the police. Of course, in The Turner Diaries, the main enemies are the US government and Israel, and the victims of the revolutionaries are mostly black and Jewish people ... but the methods are the same.
After taking power in the state of California, the revolutionary idea flourished to its true "brilliance" - quite perfectly described, revolutions never turn out exactly as planned and as good as the revolutionaries wanted. Millions of people were expelled, tens of thousands were killed as "racial enemies," and hundreds of millions were later exterminated with atomic bombs because they did not fit into the revolutionaries' notions of a future perfect society.
Of course, it is very easy to say that the author is a disgusting racist and what he describes are his sick fantasies - and this is undoubtedly the case. What I want to say, however, is that the ideologues of every revolution have such sick fantasies that they end up killing a large number of innocent people (ie, they think those people are guilty of something - that they are kulaks, supporters of the old order, have a different skin color, etc., etc.), because they see those people as the only obstacle to achieving the dream utopia.
It is no coincidence that after the lauded French Revolution, guillotines have been working around the clock for months, beheading hundreds of thousands of people in a bloody orgy of ideologues in action who otherwise fight for "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood!" It is no coincidence that Hitler and Stalin killed millions and sent millions more to camps, in their sincere quest to create the perfect society.
Because this is the price of a true revolution, and The Turner Diaries relentlessly and cynically shoves it down our throats. I hope people see what it is. show less
If this is truly the 'bible of the racist right' as was claimed in the book's preface, it certainly deserves it. If there are still ideological racists clinging to this thing, it's (unsurprisingly) out of a misplaced sense of tradition, bad taste in literature, or both. I could imagine some pleasure being derived from the often pornographic descriptions of violence, but beyond some musings about guerrilla warfare, after reading this I wasn't surprised that only a few pages describing show more bomb-making were found among Timothy McVeigh's belongings after the Oklahoma City Bombing. Perhaps he, too, realized that the bulk of this book is a paper-thin marriage of ideology, strategy, and story?
There are a few rare moments when it manages to be entertaining, and only in spite of itself At one point Turner, the author's rather dumpy but dedicated Mary Sue, reflects on the fact that he 'couldn't imagine himself calmly butchering a teenaged White girl' before his induction into the all-powerful Organization, but he'd 'become much more realistic about life recently'. Pierce's style of journal entries, combined with his pale prose, allows him to constantly proselytize to the reader with embarrassingly blunt statements like this, and it grows tiresome long before we've reached the infamous bombings this book is known for.
As an ideological piece, this book offers a somewhat interesting look into a certain kind of radical racist mindset, though I feel like there are less poorly written ways, both in literature and academic analysis, to read that. As literature goes, this falls among the lowest grade of fanfiction, and while it's clear that the story element is pretty low among the author's priorities it's not clear that he understood how tedious it is to read about dilemmas which are resolved almost entirely by your enemies having inherent racial shortcomings and your protagonists designed as clever, all-knowing superheroes. show less
There are a few rare moments when it manages to be entertaining, and only in spite of itself At one point Turner, the author's rather dumpy but dedicated Mary Sue, reflects on the fact that he 'couldn't imagine himself calmly butchering a teenaged White girl' before his induction into the all-powerful Organization, but he'd 'become much more realistic about life recently'. Pierce's style of journal entries, combined with his pale prose, allows him to constantly proselytize to the reader with embarrassingly blunt statements like this, and it grows tiresome long before we've reached the infamous bombings this book is known for.
As an ideological piece, this book offers a somewhat interesting look into a certain kind of radical racist mindset, though I feel like there are less poorly written ways, both in literature and academic analysis, to read that. As literature goes, this falls among the lowest grade of fanfiction, and while it's clear that the story element is pretty low among the author's priorities it's not clear that he understood how tedious it is to read about dilemmas which are resolved almost entirely by your enemies having inherent racial shortcomings and your protagonists designed as clever, all-knowing superheroes. show less
I wish the star ratings did not have the "liked" or disliked connotation. You can loathe a book and still think it is worth reading, or has a valuable lesson. I think both apply to this book.
This book is an eye-opening view into racist minds. Racism is still a problem today but it is not so blatantly open, so easily identified. Racism today is apparent in things many white people will never take notice of, such as the lack of minority race characters in television and books (and ever show more children's cartoons, where lack of actors can not play into the decisions), the "whitewashing" of black characters on books' covers, the attitude of white being the default, "normal" race, etc. Today we mostly see racism by ommission-keeping non-whites out of the best jobs and places, and to a large extent underrepresented in the media and many career fields. What we do not often see if open, vile hatred that actively wishes violence on non-whites.
And if you are not a racist yourself, it's hard to comprehend how someone could honestly hate another person for their skin color, and the minor physical traits we associate with a race. We think of racists as misguided, or just looking for a scapegoat for their problems, or other excuses for why people are racist.
This book shows none of that. It shows hatred. It does not show hatred of certain groups of humans because I do not honestly think the author of this book or anyone that identifies with it sees non-whites as human beings. Blacks and Jews are described as a "diabolically clever, alien minority" and as a "pestilence from the sewers of the east". The reference to them as alien is repeated several times. (No, I am not implying the author thinks they are from outer space). Rather, he is showing that he thinks there is no familiarity, no relation to non-whites as humans.
Some people have called the writing and the grammar in the book poor or full of errors, but sadly it is not so. Naturally we wish that people who have hateful, offensive beliefs will be stupid and unable to write. Wishing does not make so. The sentence structure is clear in almost every case-I remember noting only one oddity where a comma might have helped.
The plot moves at a decent clip, does not waste time on boring descriptions of things like flora and faces, and although it lacks fleshed-out characters (Earl Turner is the only one who gets any character development) it does not impair the story. The racism is bizarre and it's at the very least interesting to see the sort of crazy bullshit the author thinks up (at one point a group of anti-racist demonstrators attack a white cat and rip it to shreds). Blacks are portrayed as cannibalistic rapists and Jews as the evil mastermind. Other races are portrayed negatively but not really focused on as much. While not the focus of the book it makes digs at the Women's Lib movement, describing it as mass psychosis.
Is this book disturbing, dehumanizing, and enough to make you feel dirty just from reading it? Probably. Is it an eye-opener to the hatred and delusions of some racists? Definitely. show less
This book is an eye-opening view into racist minds. Racism is still a problem today but it is not so blatantly open, so easily identified. Racism today is apparent in things many white people will never take notice of, such as the lack of minority race characters in television and books (and ever show more children's cartoons, where lack of actors can not play into the decisions), the "whitewashing" of black characters on books' covers, the attitude of white being the default, "normal" race, etc. Today we mostly see racism by ommission-keeping non-whites out of the best jobs and places, and to a large extent underrepresented in the media and many career fields. What we do not often see if open, vile hatred that actively wishes violence on non-whites.
And if you are not a racist yourself, it's hard to comprehend how someone could honestly hate another person for their skin color, and the minor physical traits we associate with a race. We think of racists as misguided, or just looking for a scapegoat for their problems, or other excuses for why people are racist.
This book shows none of that. It shows hatred. It does not show hatred of certain groups of humans because I do not honestly think the author of this book or anyone that identifies with it sees non-whites as human beings. Blacks and Jews are described as a "diabolically clever, alien minority" and as a "pestilence from the sewers of the east". The reference to them as alien is repeated several times. (No, I am not implying the author thinks they are from outer space). Rather, he is showing that he thinks there is no familiarity, no relation to non-whites as humans.
Some people have called the writing and the grammar in the book poor or full of errors, but sadly it is not so. Naturally we wish that people who have hateful, offensive beliefs will be stupid and unable to write. Wishing does not make so. The sentence structure is clear in almost every case-I remember noting only one oddity where a comma might have helped.
The plot moves at a decent clip, does not waste time on boring descriptions of things like flora and faces, and although it lacks fleshed-out characters (Earl Turner is the only one who gets any character development) it does not impair the story. The racism is bizarre and it's at the very least interesting to see the sort of crazy bullshit the author thinks up (at one point a group of anti-racist demonstrators attack a white cat and rip it to shreds). Blacks are portrayed as cannibalistic rapists and Jews as the evil mastermind. Other races are portrayed negatively but not really focused on as much. While not the focus of the book it makes digs at the Women's Lib movement, describing it as mass psychosis.
Is this book disturbing, dehumanizing, and enough to make you feel dirty just from reading it? Probably. Is it an eye-opener to the hatred and delusions of some racists? Definitely. show less
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