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1JGKC
I'd like to have an option to hide or dismiss certain series from the series page.
I think this would make the page more personally useful and might even eliminate some of the conflict in regards to what should and should not be a series.
I think this would make the page more personally useful and might even eliminate some of the conflict in regards to what should and should not be a series.
2VictoriaPL
I like the idea!
3brightcopy
I like the general idea. Mainly what I like is that I often find series that show up in my catalog from the CK to be unnecessary and just cause my printout to look ugly.
However, what you're basically proposing is thumbing-down as more of a social aspect. I'm not too sure I'm behind this.
One thought that has popped into my head is the idea of a CK field for "Primary Series." I'm not sure how feasible it is, though. For something like Lord Foul's Bane, the Primary Series could be The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, with The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever being a non-primary series. Then you could have a field in your catalog that is CK:Primary Series instead of CK:Series. There would be only one Primary Series with all others being secondary series.
Like I said, haven't fully thought through the idea, but I think it may serve some of the same purposes.
However, what you're basically proposing is thumbing-down as more of a social aspect. I'm not too sure I'm behind this.
One thought that has popped into my head is the idea of a CK field for "Primary Series." I'm not sure how feasible it is, though. For something like Lord Foul's Bane, the Primary Series could be The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, with The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever being a non-primary series. Then you could have a field in your catalog that is CK:Primary Series instead of CK:Series. There would be only one Primary Series with all others being secondary series.
Like I said, haven't fully thought through the idea, but I think it may serve some of the same purposes.
4KingRat
Primary series is a bad idea. Just start arguments over which series is really "primary".
I like the idea of thumbs (or other kind of social aggregation of utility) and hiding (individual assessment of utility) on individual CK facts in general, not just for series. I'd love to hide awards I don't think are really all that important, like NY Times Bestsellers. Or minor characters. If done right, this could allow generic lists to be created, as I could easily dismiss stuff that's unimportant to me.
Some CK fields really shouldn't have it, like gender and birthdate, but a lot could.
I like the idea of thumbs (or other kind of social aggregation of utility) and hiding (individual assessment of utility) on individual CK facts in general, not just for series. I'd love to hide awards I don't think are really all that important, like NY Times Bestsellers. Or minor characters. If done right, this could allow generic lists to be created, as I could easily dismiss stuff that's unimportant to me.
Some CK fields really shouldn't have it, like gender and birthdate, but a lot could.
5sqdancer
>3 brightcopy: However, what you're basically proposing is thumbing-down as more of a social aspect. I'm not too sure I'm behind this.
Um, no. It's entirely personal, not social. The OP refered to the "Series in your library" page. That's the series page in Stats/Memes, not the CK series page. The OP just wants to ignore some series the same way as you can ignore (No Thanks!) recommendations.
Um, no. It's entirely personal, not social. The OP refered to the "Series in your library" page. That's the series page in Stats/Memes, not the CK series page. The OP just wants to ignore some series the same way as you can ignore (No Thanks!) recommendations.
6brightcopy
5> Yeah, I can see how probably what they meant. I interpreted the original statement of "I think this would make the page more personally useful and might even eliminate some of the conflict in regards to what should and should not be a series" as being more of a "if it gets enough thumbs down, it will not longer show up to everyone as a series, rather than as just a personal hiding. Otherwise, there'd still be a lot of debate on whether something should or should not be a series because new users would still be seeing a "debatable" series. Just like how I can put in my own title for a work or author, but that doesn't stop debate on whether or not the work title or author is "proper."
4> Yeah, true. No matter what, there's probably going to be arguments over just about anything. But I think even aside from the caching hit (now everyone has their own potentially different copy of each page with CK info on it), it kind of defeats the spirit of the CK system to just throw hands up and say "fine, I'm just going to hide the field because I don't agree with you."
4> Yeah, true. No matter what, there's probably going to be arguments over just about anything. But I think even aside from the caching hit (now everyone has their own potentially different copy of each page with CK info on it), it kind of defeats the spirit of the CK system to just throw hands up and say "fine, I'm just going to hide the field because I don't agree with you."
71dragones
5.> Yes, I can get behind that notion. Personal hiding of some series makes sense to me, but I would not wish to have a series hidden from my view based on what others think, because I might not agree.
8JGKC
@ 3, 4
To be clear, I am not, in any way, proposing that there should be a thumbs system linked to series. I just want, as sqdancer restated, a way to ignore some of the series on my own series page.
To be clear, I am not, in any way, proposing that there should be a thumbs system linked to series. I just want, as sqdancer restated, a way to ignore some of the series on my own series page.
9Helcura
I like the OP's idea a lot. It would definitely make the "Series in Your Library" page more useful to me.
10JGKC
@ 6
And what's with the hyperbole?
My proposal of wanting to make the series page more functional by being able to hide series that are (personally) useless or redundant is hardly equates to giving up on the concept of CK series because you disagree with others.
And what's with the hyperbole?
My proposal of wanting to make the series page more functional by being able to hide series that are (personally) useless or redundant is hardly equates to giving up on the concept of CK series because you disagree with others.
11keristars
1>
Only if it's possible to cancel the dismissal or have a list of what has been dismissed, please.
In fact, similar ability to cancel dismissals or see the list of No, Thanks for all recommendations and lists is the pony I'm currently hoping to get, though it's small and not very fancy.
Only if it's possible to cancel the dismissal or have a list of what has been dismissed, please.
In fact, similar ability to cancel dismissals or see the list of No, Thanks for all recommendations and lists is the pony I'm currently hoping to get, though it's small and not very fancy.
12JGKC
@ 11
Yeah, it would be nice to be able to see which series have been hidden and have a way to make them visible again, so maybe a system closer to the way we can ignore and stop ignoring topics in Talk?
But even without the above I think that being able to hide series would be very useful and the lack of a cancellation mechanism would just mean that users would have to be more careful and only hide series that they absolutely do not want to see.
Yeah, it would be nice to be able to see which series have been hidden and have a way to make them visible again, so maybe a system closer to the way we can ignore and stop ignoring topics in Talk?
But even without the above I think that being able to hide series would be very useful and the lack of a cancellation mechanism would just mean that users would have to be more careful and only hide series that they absolutely do not want to see.
13brightcopy
10> Sorry if I come off sounding hyperbolic. If such a feature you've described were implemented, I'd definitely use it an love it! I didn't mean for it to sound like I wouldn't. I was just musing on how CK is supposed to have a set of "facts" we can all agree on, but how sometimes that breaks down. I wonder if there are better ways to avoid the breakdown, but I'm not against ways of to "just make it work."
14lucien
I like the idea and not just for series. I'd prefer to go in the other direction and allow users to mark (and unmark) a series (or award or location) as a favorite so I can have pages with just the ones I'm interested in as well a second page with everything.
16andyray
I read carefully each of the entries above and haven't a clue as to what you guys are proposing. As to what i THINK some want to do is only list "primary series", but doesn"t primary change from person to person? Heck, i like the way it is now. some of the entries LT has made as series I did not know were series, and it gives me impetus to gather the other series books into the fold. To be clear: the fact i do not know what is going on is a factor in the evaluation of my senile dementia, and has nothing to do with the rest of you who obviiously know what is going on because you are talking to each other about it.
18keristars
16>
It's pretty much wanting to hide series from the series page. For example, maybe you have catalogued a lot of books where you've read the first in the series, then decided not to continue. If you've 50 such books, then you're going to have at least 50 series listed. If you've another 50 series listed that you are interested in, then that is 100 series on the page, which is a lot to scroll through. To be able to hide the 50 that you're not interested in, you can decrease the scrolling and load time.
It would go from
>Series A (1/10)
>Series B (5/5)
>Series C (1/2)
>Series D (2/7)
>Series E (1/14)
>Series F (2/3)
&c.
to
>Series B (5/5)
>Series D (2/7)
>Series E (1/14)
>Series F (2/3)
&c.
But this is just one example of why someone might want to hide series on the series page.
It's pretty much wanting to hide series from the series page. For example, maybe you have catalogued a lot of books where you've read the first in the series, then decided not to continue. If you've 50 such books, then you're going to have at least 50 series listed. If you've another 50 series listed that you are interested in, then that is 100 series on the page, which is a lot to scroll through. To be able to hide the 50 that you're not interested in, you can decrease the scrolling and load time.
It would go from
>Series A (1/10)
>Series B (5/5)
>Series C (1/2)
>Series D (2/7)
>Series E (1/14)
>Series F (2/3)
&c.
to
>Series B (5/5)
>Series D (2/7)
>Series E (1/14)
>Series F (2/3)
&c.
But this is just one example of why someone might want to hide series on the series page.
19theapparatus
Excuse me for not reading this as I;m not feeling well but I wanted to give a +1 for this. (Again, I'm not feeling well so I;ve skipped the discussion. Please forgive me.)
Getting series like this doesn;t mean a whole lot t me:
http://www.librarything.com/series/Ellison
Getting series like this doesn;t mean a whole lot t me:
http://www.librarything.com/series/Ellison
21PhaedraB
>20 Collectorator:
It's a collection of short stories, with Harlan Ellison is the author. No way is that a series. Delete?
It's a collection of short stories, with Harlan Ellison is the author. No way is that a series. Delete?
24myshelves
I love the idea of letting me ignore/hide series. I stopped looking at my series list because it was too long and had a lot that wasn't useful to me.
25theapparatus
I didn;t want to step on the series' creator's toes.
27FicusFan
I would like to be able to customize my view of series, both on the series page and in my catalog. Sometimes there is a listing of multiple series so the book in catalog view takes up most of the screen.
If its done by each person for their own view, it won't impact how others see the series, so nothing will be lost.
If its done by each person for their own view, it won't impact how others see the series, so nothing will be lost.
281dragones
20. "One book alone cannot be a series."
True, yet one book can be the start of a new series. Are you saying that the series should not be listed as such until the third book or later has been published? If so, I don't agree. If a book is meant to be part of a series, I think that should be indicated from the first.
Example: Regression by Kathy Bell is the first of a trilogy. I own both a digital ARC and finished paperback of this first book. The second book Evolussion is due to be released to the general public this coming October. I should have a paperback ARC in hand either later this month or the first part of August, as Kathy Bell liked my review of her first book and wants me to review the second one.
The series is in its infancy, but is still very much a valid series to me.
True, yet one book can be the start of a new series. Are you saying that the series should not be listed as such until the third book or later has been published? If so, I don't agree. If a book is meant to be part of a series, I think that should be indicated from the first.
Example: Regression by Kathy Bell is the first of a trilogy. I own both a digital ARC and finished paperback of this first book. The second book Evolussion is due to be released to the general public this coming October. I should have a paperback ARC in hand either later this month or the first part of August, as Kathy Bell liked my review of her first book and wants me to review the second one.
The series is in its infancy, but is still very much a valid series to me.
29staffordcastle
There are quite a few series on LT that only have two books; I think they are quite valid. My only reservation about setting up a series when only the first book is out is that sometimes that's as far as it goes; the later volumes may be planned but don't always materialize.
30brightcopy
28> Of course, there's the other examples of books that were intended to be the start of a series, but it fell through and the others were never published. Sure, it's less likely to happen but it does.
31majkia
20. "One book alone cannot be a series."
I own three or four books that are the first of a series and the others aren't published quite yet.
Leviathan just one example.
Common, I'd say.
I own three or four books that are the first of a series and the others aren't published quite yet.
Leviathan just one example.
Common, I'd say.
321dragones
29, 30. Series info can always be removed if second and subsequent volumes fail to be published.
33FicusFan
> 32 But that isn't really correct either.
If a book was written as part of a series you can usually tell within the story. If the intention was for a series then it should be listed as one, even if all the books are not published.
If a book was written as part of a series you can usually tell within the story. If the intention was for a series then it should be listed as one, even if all the books are not published.
34brightcopy
33> Definitely disagree.
36brightcopy
35> Wait, are you disagreeing with my disagreement, or agreeing with my disagreement? I'm dying to know!
37saltmanz
Ha! I screwed that up, huh? I will agree that you disagree, though as pertains to the disagreement, I agree with FicusFan.
38brightcopy
Well, that's certainly much clearer..
39MikeBriggs
I disagree that you disagree. I believe that you secretly agree.
*nods*
*nods*
41infiniteletters
I agree with 34 and 35.
44jasbro
Can someone explain why we have multiplicities of series, and how to clarify / simplify / streamline the recurrences?
I've seen several of late; let me see whether I can find one again, and I'll edit this post to add reference. Thanks!
ETC spelling; -5 pts.
ETA: Must have been a different computer, or longer ago than I thought, because I don't find any of them right off; or maybe they're in "History," but I'm just not recognizing them. Which is a shame, because the examples were perfect.
I'm not fretting over "competing" series, such as one for order of publication and a second for plot-timeline sequence (cf: C.P. Snow's "Strangers & Brothers" series, where timing for the plot of the second published -- Time of Hope -- preceeds that of the first published -- Strangers and Brothers / George Passant); nor do I wonder about parts and wholes, such as Stephen R. Donaldson's "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" series (http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant+the+Unbeliever, http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Second+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant, http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Last+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant, and http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Complete+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant). If those are helpful to someone (and they're certainly helpful to me!), I'm for letting them have at it; (maybe, someday) I can hide any series that aren't (immediately) helpful. Rather, my concern is over multiple occurences of what appear to be the same series, such as: http://www.librarything.com/series/Oz and http://www.librarything.com/series/Oz+%3A+Famous+Forty (my preference, of course, being simply: http://www.librarything.com/series/Oz+%3A+Baum)
So let's just go with one of the most obvious of examples -- The Lord of the Rings. Here, we have:
http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Lord+of+the+Rings (apparently, the "primary" series, and the one I most want to see),
http://www.librarything.com/series/O+Senhor+dos+An%C3%A9is,
http://www.librarything.com/series/Der+Herr+der+Ringe,
http://www.librarything.com/series/El+se%C3%B1or+de+los+anillos,
http://www.librarything.com/series/El+se%C3%B1or+de+los+anillos,
http://www.librarything.com/series/Le+seigneur+des+anneaux,
http://www.librarything.com/series/In+de+Ban+van+de+Ring,
http://www.librarything.com/series/Le+Seigneur+des+Anneaux, and
http://www.librarything.com/series/In+de+ban+van+de+ring.
Incidentally, Thomas Covenant offers another good case in point. Is there a Combiners! group for series yet? Can we get one?
I've seen several of late; let me see whether I can find one again, and I'll edit this post to add reference. Thanks!
ETC spelling; -5 pts.
ETA: Must have been a different computer, or longer ago than I thought, because I don't find any of them right off; or maybe they're in "History," but I'm just not recognizing them. Which is a shame, because the examples were perfect.
I'm not fretting over "competing" series, such as one for order of publication and a second for plot-timeline sequence (cf: C.P. Snow's "Strangers & Brothers" series, where timing for the plot of the second published -- Time of Hope -- preceeds that of the first published -- Strangers and Brothers / George Passant); nor do I wonder about parts and wholes, such as Stephen R. Donaldson's "Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" series (http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant+the+Unbeliever, http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Second+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant, http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Last+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant, and http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Complete+Chronicles+of+Thomas+Covenant). If those are helpful to someone (and they're certainly helpful to me!), I'm for letting them have at it; (maybe, someday) I can hide any series that aren't (immediately) helpful. Rather, my concern is over multiple occurences of what appear to be the same series, such as: http://www.librarything.com/series/Oz and http://www.librarything.com/series/Oz+%3A+Famous+Forty (my preference, of course, being simply: http://www.librarything.com/series/Oz+%3A+Baum)
So let's just go with one of the most obvious of examples -- The Lord of the Rings. Here, we have:
http://www.librarything.com/series/The+Lord+of+the+Rings (apparently, the "primary" series, and the one I most want to see),
http://www.librarything.com/series/O+Senhor+dos+An%C3%A9is,
http://www.librarything.com/series/Der+Herr+der+Ringe,
http://www.librarything.com/series/El+se%C3%B1or+de+los+anillos,
http://www.librarything.com/series/El+se%C3%B1or+de+los+anillos,
http://www.librarything.com/series/Le+seigneur+des+anneaux,
http://www.librarything.com/series/In+de+Ban+van+de+Ring,
http://www.librarything.com/series/Le+Seigneur+des+Anneaux, and
http://www.librarything.com/series/In+de+ban+van+de+ring.
Incidentally, Thomas Covenant offers another good case in point. Is there a Combiners! group for series yet? Can we get one?
45justjim
Jasbro, there are series made up of the same books in publication order, suggested reading order, internal chronological order and, for all I know, the order that FredNurk034 from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma was able to buy them in!
Apologies to any Okies from Broken Arrow.
Apologies to any Okies from Broken Arrow.
46MarthaJeanne
44 Those are from the other language domains and should stand. They won't affect your series page. For those with several languages, being able to get to all of them from one domain is useful. And although often enough they are 'identical', sometimes they aren't - when books are split in translation. Then it is better if each language has a clean series.
47jasbro
45> Who's FredNurk034, and how can I see what he's got? Sounds like a kindred spirit to me! ;-)
46> Thanks, MarthaJeanne; I recognize that they're other languages, but: (a) I didn't think we made distinctions based on translations apart from scholarly interest in dead languages; and (b) several of my examples appear to be partial / incomplete series listings. If they're not for my primary language domain, why are they showing up? And where's the Common Knowledge benefit to having separate series carve-outs for other language domains? For social networking, I'd like to know they're included with the "biggest & best" JRRT/LOTR series page; otherwise, they're prime candidates for the kind of "No, Thanks!" hiding proposed in JGKC's initial post above.
46> Thanks, MarthaJeanne; I recognize that they're other languages, but: (a) I didn't think we made distinctions based on translations apart from scholarly interest in dead languages; and (b) several of my examples appear to be partial / incomplete series listings. If they're not for my primary language domain, why are they showing up? And where's the Common Knowledge benefit to having separate series carve-outs for other language domains? For social networking, I'd like to know they're included with the "biggest & best" JRRT/LOTR series page; otherwise, they're prime candidates for the kind of "No, Thanks!" hiding proposed in JGKC's initial post above.
48keristars
44> Your example for Lord of the Rings looks like those other series should have been entered on the other language sites. If they're showing up in the series CK for one of the works on the .com site, then it should be moved to the appropriate language site.
However, I checked the work for Lord of the Rings, and it only has the English series, so it has all been done correctly.
As I understand it, series can be drastically different from one language edition to the next, for example if it was published with 3 works of 1 volume each in English, but in 3 works of 2 volumes each in German, and yet again, 4 works of 1 volume each in French, because they decided to split the chapters/parts differently. Having all that on one series page is a mess and confusing and also redundant. Plus, I think that there have been instances of different orders of the series for different languages.
Series can also have crazy different names, and not just the same phrase translated.
There may be other reasons for not having the series all link to the same place, and I'm not remembering them. These may not even be good arguments for keeping them separate, or unlinked, I'm just stating some of why it's the way it is. (As I understand it.)
ETA: I gotta stop typing long messages when I'm at work and have to pause to sell admission in the middle. MarthaJeanne clearly hit submit before I did with a more concise version of things.
However, I checked the work for Lord of the Rings, and it only has the English series, so it has all been done correctly.
As I understand it, series can be drastically different from one language edition to the next, for example if it was published with 3 works of 1 volume each in English, but in 3 works of 2 volumes each in German, and yet again, 4 works of 1 volume each in French, because they decided to split the chapters/parts differently. Having all that on one series page is a mess and confusing and also redundant. Plus, I think that there have been instances of different orders of the series for different languages.
Series can also have crazy different names, and not just the same phrase translated.
There may be other reasons for not having the series all link to the same place, and I'm not remembering them. These may not even be good arguments for keeping them separate, or unlinked, I'm just stating some of why it's the way it is. (As I understand it.)
ETA: I gotta stop typing long messages when I'm at work and have to pause to sell admission in the middle. MarthaJeanne clearly hit submit before I did with a more concise version of things.
49MarthaJeanne
You can see them listed on the series page as related series, but not in the English CK, and they should not show up in your personal series list.
Being able to see them through the related series list is GOOD. I can check whether a series I like is also available in German to recommend to an Austrian friend.
Having them separate is good, because it gives clean series for the different languages. An example of a non-clean series is http://www.librarything.com/series/Dune . Dune was published in two volumes in French. The Dune 1 and Dune 2 books should not be in the English series, but only in a French series. My French and knowledge of the series are not good enough to create a French series for this and get rid of it in the English series.
They don't fill up the work page for the books in English. They don't add extra series to your series page. They do make LT a friendly place for those who work better in other languages.
What would be wonderful would be if I could see the list of my German series when I'm in LT.de and my English series when I'm in LT.com, but the way it works now I see the English list in both as my account settings say primary language English.
Being able to see them through the related series list is GOOD. I can check whether a series I like is also available in German to recommend to an Austrian friend.
Having them separate is good, because it gives clean series for the different languages. An example of a non-clean series is http://www.librarything.com/series/Dune . Dune was published in two volumes in French. The Dune 1 and Dune 2 books should not be in the English series, but only in a French series. My French and knowledge of the series are not good enough to create a French series for this and get rid of it in the English series.
They don't fill up the work page for the books in English. They don't add extra series to your series page. They do make LT a friendly place for those who work better in other languages.
What would be wonderful would be if I could see the list of my German series when I'm in LT.de and my English series when I'm in LT.com, but the way it works now I see the English list in both as my account settings say primary language English.
50brightcopy
It would be nice if related series from another language site were partitioned off or indicated somehow. For example:
The Complete Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
Related Series:
De Kronieken van Thomas Covenant
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
De Laatste Kronieken
Die Chroniken von Thomas Covenant
I'd rather see that as:
Related Series:
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
(NL) De Kronieken van Thomas Covenant
(NL) De Laatste Kronieken
(DE) Die Chroniken von Thomas Covenant
And if I was logged onto the dutch site:
Related Series:
De Kronieken van Thomas Covenant
De Laatste Kronieken
(US) The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
(US) The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
(US) The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
(DE) Die Chroniken von Thomas Covenant
etc.
Or some way of indicating them. Maybe even a little clickable flag that would take you to that language edition page for that series. Would be handy sometimes for cleaning up data on other language sites. Sometimes I have to hunt around to figure out what language I'm looking at.
ETA: Yeah, I should post this to RSI. But I just thought I'd throw it out here since it was related to the sub-topic of other language CK series entries. I'll repost it if people seem to think it's a good idea.
The Complete Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
Related Series:
De Kronieken van Thomas Covenant
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
De Laatste Kronieken
Die Chroniken von Thomas Covenant
I'd rather see that as:
Related Series:
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
(NL) De Kronieken van Thomas Covenant
(NL) De Laatste Kronieken
(DE) Die Chroniken von Thomas Covenant
And if I was logged onto the dutch site:
Related Series:
De Kronieken van Thomas Covenant
De Laatste Kronieken
(US) The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever
(US) The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
(US) The Last Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
(DE) Die Chroniken von Thomas Covenant
etc.
Or some way of indicating them. Maybe even a little clickable flag that would take you to that language edition page for that series. Would be handy sometimes for cleaning up data on other language sites. Sometimes I have to hunt around to figure out what language I'm looking at.
ETA: Yeah, I should post this to RSI. But I just thought I'd throw it out here since it was related to the sub-topic of other language CK series entries. I'll repost it if people seem to think it's a good idea.
51jasbro
48, 49, 50> Thanks for your responses. I'll try to notice when and where I see these from now on. At least I may better understand how they fit into the larger LT puzzle; but I'm still not sure about the partial series, or if there's anything that I, as an English-language LT member, can do to improve the other languages' series listings.
52rsterling
50 - That's a nice idea. I would like this list of related series (or awards) to stay on the series (or award) page no matter what domain you're using, but it would be nice to be able to see which version of LT they are on.
53brightcopy
52> What'd really be nice is if a series was language independent and could just have different titles depending on the language site you're on. Much like regular works do now. If you go to different language sites, it will display the language-specific title, if possible. I can see some difficulties in implementing that, though.
54MarthaJeanne
Even established series can vary between languages. Depending on publishers' decisions some books may be split, others combined, others never translated.
The current method allows for checking between languages, but also lets each language's series be set up correctly.
The current method allows for checking between languages, but also lets each language's series be set up correctly.
56brightcopy
54> I wasn't suggesting I wished the existing way of making separate language-specific series would disappear. I just wish there was a good way to handle the very common occurence of a series that is identical but just has a language-specific name.
57infiniteletters
56: Such as an alternate series title?
I wouldn't mind that for some of the same-language series that go by different names...
I wouldn't mind that for some of the same-language series that go by different names...
58brightcopy
57> Yup, just like that.
591dragones
33. If a book was written as part of a series you can usually tell within the story.
Well that depends on what you consider to be a series.
1. Books with the same main characters and / or set within the same world but the stories are otherwise unrelated. An example of this would be the Dragonriders of Pern These stand alone fairly well and can be read in any order so series information isn't as critical.
OR
2. Theres's one big story broken into multiple parts. Such as The Mage Wars trilogy from the extremely long Valdemar saga. The books belonging to the trilogies of the Valdemar saga need to be read in order (within the trilogy, at least) so these definitely need to be listed as a series.
Well that depends on what you consider to be a series.
1. Books with the same main characters and / or set within the same world but the stories are otherwise unrelated. An example of this would be the Dragonriders of Pern These stand alone fairly well and can be read in any order so series information isn't as critical.
OR
2. Theres's one big story broken into multiple parts. Such as The Mage Wars trilogy from the extremely long Valdemar saga. The books belonging to the trilogies of the Valdemar saga need to be read in order (within the trilogy, at least) so these definitely need to be listed as a series.
60MarthaJeanne
OK, this is a pony- and maybe a flying unicorn of a pony, but some of us read in more than one language (In my case English and German), and series as it is now doesn't really cater to that.
In addition to the ability to say 'no, thanks' to the series in my language that I don't want to follow, I would like to be able to open (maybe an extra click on the CK page for the work?) ALL of the series connected to the book and click on any that I do want to see on my personal series page. In fact, I would go further and say that there are many times when it would be useful to be able to see all the CK entered on the other language sites. I would not want people to be able to change CK without going to the language site it was entered in, but seeing it would make it easier to fill in the other language sites with the things that are the same. It would also help know which site had a problem when one comes up.
That would make it worth the bother of going to LT.de and moving the German series I have entered on .com there where they would be of more use to others.
In addition to the ability to say 'no, thanks' to the series in my language that I don't want to follow, I would like to be able to open (maybe an extra click on the CK page for the work?) ALL of the series connected to the book and click on any that I do want to see on my personal series page. In fact, I would go further and say that there are many times when it would be useful to be able to see all the CK entered on the other language sites. I would not want people to be able to change CK without going to the language site it was entered in, but seeing it would make it easier to fill in the other language sites with the things that are the same. It would also help know which site had a problem when one comes up.
That would make it worth the bother of going to LT.de and moving the German series I have entered on .com there where they would be of more use to others.
62MikeBriggs
Books that have reviews in more than one language have an extra line at the top of the reviews section:
for example Lord Foul's Bane:
English (38) French (2) All languages (40)
Clickable links. So that you can see the reviews in any specific langauge or all languages at the same time.
On the work page something like this appearing in the series section and the CK section, a clickable link to switch between languages and or show all languages, would be a good addition.
Similarly a clickable link on the personal series page could be added.
for example Lord Foul's Bane:
English (38) French (2) All languages (40)
Clickable links. So that you can see the reviews in any specific langauge or all languages at the same time.
On the work page something like this appearing in the series section and the CK section, a clickable link to switch between languages and or show all languages, would be a good addition.
Similarly a clickable link on the personal series page could be added.
