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Something is said to be "tipped in" a book when it has been attached to a page of the book by it's corners only. The point is that the entire back surface is NOT slathered with glue and firmly attached. When the entire, or most of the back surface of the object it attached, it is "pasted in" or perhaps "glued on". If an entire edge is attached, it may still be refered to as "tipped in". The usual means of attachment is glue or paste, however it is concevable some other means may be used. The object "tipped in" is nearly always of paper, as an illustration, letter, paper sample or such. Illustations "tipped in" lend an aura of quality to books, as it is perceived to be a more expensive and finer way of including illustrations. It is no doubt more expensive, but fine illustrations can be bound in as well and large numbers of tipped in plates tend to swell the text block of the book, potentially creating problems of manufacture, handling and storage.
>6 kdweber:: With regard to the books you mention above, are they tipped in by the definition above?
>8 Wootle:: I concur that the signed pages that you find in most E/P signed editions are almost certainly signed prior to binding but is there any evidence to suggest the pages, once signed, aren't bound into the book? I always presumed the pages were sent out, signed, sent back, and then bound with the rest of the book. I think that would be much more cost effective than gluing in a single page in so many editions and wouldn't you almost be guaranteed a slight deviation from the other pages that would be visible to the eye, especially since the gilding on the page edges accentuates nearly every imperfection?
"Tipped in" is commonly used to refer both to color plates that are attached to a page by their "tips" (rather than their entire backs being covered with glue) and to entire pages that are glued in place after the signatures (individual sections of the text block) have been sewn.
You can find plenty of descriptions of each technique on the web by searching for "tipped in plates" and "tipped in pages", respectively.
I noticed this because I happen to know that I share a birthday with Susan Cooper, and The Dark Is Rising sequence was the first set of EP books I bought.
Ugh, ugh, ugh, I was so looking forward to this book but the treatment of the signature is revolting to me. I will try to keep an open mind (as I might still have purchased even without the author signature) but this design cheapens the overall presentation and makes the EP Retail price completely overstated. I fear I will be sending my copy back but will reserve final judgement until I see it.
I am afraid that I share your thoughts about this "possible" issue, though I will do the same as you and decide after I have seen the volume myself. However since I live across the Atlantic I hope I am not mistaken to hope I will see some pictures of the book and the way they solved the signature.
Well after panicking the group, thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to upload a picture. I will reserve final judgement until I can see it in person, but based on your picture, that is not nearly as bad I as expecting!
Did I read someone in the promotional literature that the signature also comes with a certificate of authenticity?
Geez ... I didn't intend to "panic" anyone. I simply stated that the bookplate was unexpected.
What I do expect is something a little better for nearly $300. But the rest of the book is, as I stated, beautiful.
And, no, there is no certificate of authenticity for the signature. Hope that doesn't panic you, either.
"The Deluxe Limited Edition of Night comes in a stamped, fabric-covered slipcase and includes a hand-numbered certificate of authenticity."
However, there is no certificate of authenticity that usually comes with EP signed editions -- the ones that show the author's signature and a witness signature.
I'm certainly not trying to steer anyone away from purchasing this book. I'm just a little disappointed -- and feel a bit misled -- in the way it was produced.
I also bought the Vonnegut limited edition and was very pleased with that one.
Ah well, that must have been a fun way for Ms Cooper to spend her 73rd (and my 16th).
It is a nice number. I tend to prefer even numbers or those that end in 5...always have. And as a CPA, I do like my numbers!!! For example, I like 20, 25, 32, 44, 66, 666, but not 213, 277, 81, 111, etc. It is hard to explain, but I never get a "nice" EP or Folio limited edition number!
I am similar, but I like numbers that are multiples of 5 or ones such as 11, 22, 33, etc. So unlike you, I would like 111, but ordinary even numbers like 32 don't do it for me.
Of course, I haven't yet bought any LEs, so I'm just talking about numbers in general.
Cons: Paper endpapers, bookplate signature, ugly blue illus background and endpapers and sig page, for me the fold out illustrations (I really don't like them), cheaper made than usual slipcase, overpriced.
Pros: Wiesel sig, nice illustrations, hmmm...
They would not need to - as long as they have the pages signed, they can get sewed in - which is how most of these editions are done. But I would agree with everyone else here - something was wrong with the size or the first cut was too deep or something like that. Which makes it a bad surprise anyway
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Germans really love to burn babies huh? - or - is it just a stupid propaganda clip...hmm....honestly, this is getting old...
I guess Robert Bale are not a german, but he did burn half a dozen of babies recently. this horrible things still happen . in the real world people do burn babies, not propaganda. and not old.
What is important to note is that Eisenstein made the film to warn people against the growing German power, so even though the film is set in a historical setting, it deals with contemporary issues.
As for burnign people alive...not sure where you heard that, but I belive only dead bodies were burned. It just doesn't make sence to burn people who provide slave labor. I think only when the slave outlived his usefulness, he would be gassed and then the body would be burned...but I might be wrong, don't claim to be an expert on the subject, nor have been there or known anyone who was...so if you can point me to any primary source where it states that people were burned alive, I'd like to read about it.
Off the top of my head.....Google south Africa + Necklacing. and there are many more source , which I do not have the appetite to list here.
True, what Nazi's did denies most logic, but I have never come across a document that specifically states that prisoners were burned alive upon arrival to the camp. The bodies of dead, the unfortunate - or fortunate, depends on how you look at this - once who died on the way perhaps, but not the living.
As for killing Jews (not only, because people of other nationalities died in the camps - speaking about Бабий Яр, or as you spelled it - Baba Yar - between 100,000 - 150,000 were executed there of which only 33,000 were of Jewish heritage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar#cite_note-rpmag1-2) vs. winning the war. I would disagree with you. Of course it was more important to win the war simply because if you lost it, you wouldn't be around to carry out the exterminations. Though I do understand where you are coming from, it is a popular, modern tendency to have events of Holocaust overshadows the actual war and the terrible price that the nations of Europe, Asia and Americas paid in its wake.
...because the success of the Nazi "Final Solution" depended in part on it being implemented under the world's radar, so to speak. Hence all the euphemisms and subterfuge.
66> Again, I think there is ample evidence that the Nazis did not organize their concentration camps to maximize slave labor. Arrivals were separated upon entry and many were marched immediately to the gas chambers.
The Nazi's distinguished between the extermination camps (such as Auschwitz), which were explicitly designated to carry out Eichmann's genocidal mandate, and the regular concentration camps (such as Dachau) which, although they were not created with explicit intent of killing their inhabitants, nevertheless resulted in an enormous number of casualties from starvation, disease and exhaustion (with prisoners literally being worked to death).
"Alexander Nevsky," though it is a very entertaining film, is Stalinist propaganda, made before Molotov signed the "non-aggression" pact with Hitler, at which time Soviet officials pulled the film from release. In propaganda terms, few acts equal murdering children to stir up hatred towards your enemy. As for the Germans being "inspired" by the film, I wonder how many of the SS ever saw it.
Is this one worth the money? That's up to everyone to decide for themselves... if you feel that it is not worth, don't buy or return it. If you decide to keep it, good... but then you made your choice to spend the money...
Just thinking aloud here :)
Yes for sure.
I have ordered and recieved the book though I am on the fence whether I think I can justify the price to myself. I do think it is priced to high, but then again eventhough I also agree on the issues here raised in regards to the signing of the book then I think that after a while I will not mind owning it even at its price.
I am keeping my copy, and if I decide to depart from it in the future I can always put it up for sale.
I think that it is possible that the signature plate has been done in such way by design, and it does not bother me at all. I was concerned before I received the book, because I have been reading and agreeing with most of the comments above, but, now that I received the book, I do not regret buying it. By the way, the size of the book does not seem too small to me, either.
But despite of all these, it is still a good book and it represents a good reading, but I would classify it as fiction mixed with some true facts, as opposed to a true eyewitness account.
This is the same propaganda as was/is used by fascists, soviet communists, and other radical regimes though history – just accuse, while showing random shocking clips, photos, and other “credible proofs” to your horrified viewers and listeners, and they will be ready to hate, support, act, and kill.
In this particular video, the author bases 99% of his evidence on the book “Identity Theft” by Gruner. I have tried locating this book on Google, Amazon, and Abebooks, but the only mention of it I found is on a website by the same author who made the video. In one of many instances of false evidence, the video shows us a picture of a man (who we already believe to be Mr. Gruner himself even though there is no proof of it) holding a picture of (we assume) Wiesel, and the caption is added to the photo by the author of the video that says “He was NOT my fellow prisoner”.
Please also note that though the author of the video shows us a picture of Wiesel’s book along with a picture of burning babies, he fails to show us a picture of “Identity Theft” book to which he is referring all the time. The illustration of burning babies was done by David Olére independently from Wiesel, years ago, and not as an illustration for the book “Night”. So, the author of this chauvinistic group of videos is in effect attacking any eye-witness account of babies being burned in the concentration camp.
In another moment, we are told that one Fred Luther (“Federal Court and Execution Technology expert”??) verified ground conditions at the concentration camp. We are shown a random photo of a men who we suppose to believe is the above-named Fred Luther; however, after I tried to find any information about him through Google, I was not successful in locating such an expert, whether Luther or Luter.
There are might be some legitimate questions about Wiesel, but this video is done by a chauvinist, and the facts there are fabricated, like in all of his other videos.
I checked out more of this guy's videos, and you're right - he attacks Jews over and over, which, for me, brings into question his credibility on this particular video.
But I wonder how come we don't see any tattos on Weisel's arms in the video.
Resolution? Tattoos can be removed. Insufficient data.
I googled these and here is what I found, pretty shocking...
Instead of “Googling things” that Jews supposed to be teaching about non-Jews, Christians, Muslims, and other people, and directing our attention to the garbage on www.missionislam page for revelation in truth about Judaism (which in its turn directs us to the “sources” found on www.revisionisthistory, of all places!), the right thing for you to do (if you are sincerely interested in the subject) would be to go to a good library and find a good book or two on Judaism written by a knowledgeable and universally respected authority on the subject. In the library, you might also have a possibility to peruse through numerous volumes of Talmud to get an idea of what it is.
“The guy” in the videos is a manipulator of the facts and a fabricator.
Please do not use this forum to post links directing us to sites specially designed to provoke hatred, be it against Jews, Muslims, Christians, or anybody else.
If you have a problem with my posts then don't read them. And don't accuse me of 'linking sites that provoke hatred'
Unfortunately I don't have a copy of Talmud at home. This was the first site that come up when googling. Maybe it is untrue, I don't know. Good point about checking with the library. Thanks.
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