Jimmy Carter and Women's Ordination

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Jimmy Carter and Women's Ordination

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1nathanielcampbell
Jun 24, 2013, 10:08 am

Jimmy Carter: A Sunday Interview (TIME Magazine, June 23, 2013):
And I think the great religions have set the example for that, by ordaining, in effect, that women are not equal to men in the eyes of God. This has been done and still is done by the Catholic Church ever since the third century, when the Catholic Church ordained that a woman cannot be a priest for instance but a man can. A woman can be a nurse or a teacher but she can’t be a priest. This is wrong, I think.
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To repeat myself in a way, I think that what the major religious leaders say is used by others who discriminate against women as justification for their human rights abuse. For instance if an employer, who might be otherwise enlightened, if he is a religious person and he sees that, he might be a Catholic, and a Catholic does not let women be priests, then why should he pay his women employees an equal pay?
Does this mean that such a "human rights abuse" as the male-only priesthood trumps the human right to freedom of religion?

2LolaWalser
Jun 24, 2013, 10:43 am

Does the "human" in "human right to freedom of religion" include women?

Speaking as someone who heartily wishes ALL priesthood and the religions whence they came gone--all I want to know is whether the misogynistic organizations promoting gender inequality are entirely self-sustaining or not. If not (as is now the case for the Catholic Church armies in Europe, for instance), then hell yes make them follow regulations protecting human rights.

Endure centuries of discrimination, cultural misogyny and systemic humiliation--and also PAY for it?

It's obscene.

3John5918
Jun 25, 2013, 12:04 pm

>2 LolaWalser: Catholic Church armies?

I thought Stalin had settled that question.

4prosfilaes
Jun 25, 2013, 4:44 pm

#1: Does this mean that such a "human rights abuse" as the male-only priesthood trumps the human right to freedom of religion?

Did he say it did? Freedom of religion legalizes the practice, it doesn't magically make it a good thing.

5StormRaven
Jun 26, 2013, 12:08 am

Does this mean that such a "human rights abuse" as the male-only priesthood trumps the human right to freedom of religion?

I often wonder if you actually read what you quote and post. This is one of those times.

"I think that what the major religious leaders say is used by others who discriminate against women as justification for their human rights abuse."

Note the bolded part? That makes your question seem like you weren't actually paying attention.

6timspalding
Jun 26, 2013, 2:37 am

Carter is at a disadvantage in any discussion of "ordination," in that his baptist tradition is at the extreme end of the topic. I mean, be doesn't really believe in "ordination" to begin with, and his denomination has hostility to Catholic ordination at its very core.