Things missing from OotP movie

This has been obsessing me. The following things are missing from the OotP movie. Does this bear any significance to the final book?

Sirius' mirror
Firenze
Mundungus
Quidditch
Pensieve
SPEW

I'm sure there's more. Add your own.

For me, the mirror and Mundungus might have some bearing on the horcrux hunt, given some of the theories out there.

personally i already assumed that RAB was Regulas Black but thats' beside the point

We can only assume that's what he meant but whatever.

A lot of the rooms in the Ministry was missing, put that might be a bet peeve of mine

UMM the arrest of Bode (The Dept. Of Mysteries guy you meet in the beginning) is missing

Also no St. Mungo's, which was dissapointing

Yeah, I missed St. Mungo's. Made Neville's confession to Harry come out of nowhere.

No boggart exercises at 12 Grimmauld. I thought that was way too long in the book, anyway.

I missed Sirius' mom. Another opportunity for comic relief wasted. And Sirius wasn't mean enough to Kreacher.

I don't think they have any bearing on the book. The book is a separate entity I think these things were left out in order to include the things a director thought was important. I wanted to see all the wizards gang up on the Dursley's and tell them to treat harry better or else!

yes, but JKR is known to have insisted that they leave Kreacher in. That's what makes me wonder.

Because Sirius leave Harry everything, She may have wanted to include Kreacher in when Dumbldore hands everything off to Harry

This book lacked certain distractions that have comic relief, all they had were the Weasley fire works.

Usually there's quidditch or jokes, or yelling portraits.

Does anyone think that having Harry see Snape's memory via Legilimens and not the pensieve makes Snape seem like a less-impressive wizard? I'm not sure....in a way, simply feeling vulnerable enough to remove those thoughts might be the same thing, but I dunno. He's on & on to Harry about self-control, yet Harry gets to his worst memory on his first try.

Oh I totally agree that didn't look well at all.

There's soooo much missing but if they included everything the movie would be six hours long! like Gone With The Wind!

Didn't Harry & Cho have a talk after he finds out they used veritaserum on her? It seemed cold not to close that off. Again, I guess they could leave that to movie 6.

I think they did a good job of cutting down a waaaaaay long book. Just wondering why they made the decisions they did.

7:It did seem a little bit weird that harry go into snape's mind

9: You know, if the movie was really good, and six hours long, then I don't think people would mind so much

10: I agree, I'm surprised he didn't say anything with Cho, kind of like I'm surprised they didn't have that date in Hogsmead on Valentines Day

maybe cho doesn't figure in the next books, It wasn't Cho in the book anyway, It was her freind Marietta. The movie just used Cho as a scapegoat.

You're right, it was Marietta, but having made it be Cho, doesn't it make Harry look like a cad never to have apologised?

But yeah, not much time for this kind of thing.

well, he was still angry and upset or maybe just too overcome to speak,

also he was probably focused on twenty other things, like having no family, sirius's death.

Just remembered in the movie no one gets really hurt. No brains to tackle Ron, No magic spells to knock Hermione out, ginny didn't break a leg.

I don't remember what happened to Luna

I think Luna was the only one not hurt.

I just thought of a couple more: no howler for Petunia and no Lily in Snape's memory!

no letters from sirius or Arthur weasley too.
And moody tells him that he's got a hearing in the movie, so theres no other letter from the ministry

No Rita Skeeter and that magazine Luna's dad publishes.

Luna was reading the Quibbler, but on the carriage, not on the train.

I, for one, was pleased that the amount of teen angst Harry experienced in the book had been cut by about 75%. That book was sheer torture to read until the climax!

#20- yes but it wasn't mentioned or brought foreward. The mag played an important part of the book

12: the way i looked at it, Harry was able to get into snapes mind because snape probably underestimated harry's ability. so he probably wasn't guarding his thoughts as he should have been doing. also with harry looking so much like james its not hard to imagine that thoughts of james would be near the top. Especially since at the time Snape was telling harry just what a horrible person James was. Which made harry angry and allowed him to slip into snapes mind.

As for harry apologizing to Cho, just because we didn't see doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Just as Hermione & Ron were prefects in the book, they were probably prefects in the movie...the director/writer just didn't call attention to it. Harry learned the truth about Cho's betrayal via Snape...who didn't have to mention it...after hearing snape harry looked visibly distressed and guilty. So you can bet that at some point after the events at the ministry that he tracked Cho down for a talk.

I also that that somewhere Hermione mentioned breifly her SPEW campaign but was then cut off and pulled away by Ron.

I really enjoyed this movie. I think that its my favorite so far. Just tell people you know that it helps to have read the book first to catch the many details that were not mentioned.

#23 Yes, it made sense in context, but still don't know if it weakens Snape in some way for him to slip during Harry's first try at Legilimency....how are we supposed to entertain the notion later that he is an effective double agent, lying to Voldemort all the time, when Harry is able to get to him in one go? (Maybe it sets up Harry as more powerful even than Voldy.)

Having Snape remove the memory to the pensieve could be an act of kindness; he is sparing Harry knowledge of how mean his dad could be. It could be seen two ways, and keeps up the mystery of Snape's real motives.

I don't think that anyone mentioned but they left out that ron and hermione were prefects

I don't think that Harry would apologize to Cho, and he looks distressed and guilty through out the entire movie

Well unless he's he blowing up all over hermione and ron.

#24...but Harry didn't succeed at his first try. Snape had been giving him lessons for weeks. I also think that it was just a lucky shot on Harry's part. I don't think that he was trying to read Snape's mind, just to push him out of his...but because he was so angry at what Snape was saying he broke into Snape's thoughts. Snape probably never thought that Harry could block his attack, let alone get into his head so wasn't prepared. Now that Harry has done it once Snape will be a little less likely to underestimate him and therefore be more on-guard.

#26 Snape was teaching Harry occlumency--blocking the mind reading spell. Harry yells Legilimens before he sees into Snape's mind...he was deliberately trying the mind reading spell, presumably for the first time.

I think the screenwriters/director did a great job cutting down a long book into a managable movie. This is also my favorite movie so far, despite being my second to least favorite book.

As for Harry getting to Snape's memory of his father, I thought it was framed was well as could be without using the penseive. Just before Harry yells "Legilimens," Snape was denegrating James and Harry was defending his father, so it seems quite likely that the memory at the forefront of Snape's mind would be one that defines his hatred of James, hence why Harry was so easily able to reach that memory. Knowing Snape's occlumency prowess, I wonder if he didn't immediately block Harry because he (sub)consciously wanted Harry see the memory.

hmmm...didn't think of that....good idea. because I always thought in the book when he removes the memory where Harry could watch he was just begging him to look.

That's how I read it too, littlegeek. If I knew someone I was about to mentally duel with had the ability to remove memories, my curiousity about them would increase ten fold! Plus, it is demonstrated that Harry simply cannot ignore the penseive: he tumbles into Dumbledore's memories too. Regardless of whether Snape knew this or not, I still think he removed them knowing they would likely make Harry anxious/curious. I'm not sure he consciously meant for Harry to actually see them, though, hence his anger. But just as in the movie, I think there was the subconscious desire to let Harry see that James was not perfect.

I agree. HE was so angry at harry for having such a perfect view of James that he knew that the best way to tear harry down was to let him see the memories that would kill Harry on the inside

no interview with the quibiller that convinced people you know who was back

Things I noticed missing that haven't been mentioed...
1. the coins used by the D.A.
2. the swamp the Weasley twins left in the hall that the faculty couldn't get rid of
3. Harry blowing up at Dumbledore after the final fight
4. the statue helping out with the fight at the ministry
5. cleaning out the Black house and Kreacher stealing stuff to keep in his bed
6. LUPIN....did he have more than 2-3 lines in this one??

I did like the direction of the movie, I just felt that it moved way too fast, glossed over a lot...and I would have willingly set through another 30 min. The movies obviously make enough money that they didn't need to be so bent on making it the shortest movie of the series. But whatever. I was happy to see it, will buy the DVD and rewatch with pleasure. I was just sad to see that the emotional pitch was cut so severly too...esp. the part where Harry's friends warn the Dursley's and Harry's saddness over Sirius.

I HATED that the dementors manhandeled Harry. They would NEVER have thrown him against a wall and held him there by his neck. I liked how they looked in the other movies.

And I agree, it bugged me that Harry could get into Snape's mind so quickly. I am just protective of these stories....the reports of the intent to make this (the longest of the books) into the shortest movie makes me uncomfortable.

harry doesnt yell legillemens, he yells protego. also in the book he does get into snapes mind, only he just doesnt see that memory. it is a shame that we didnt see more of the memory though, and no lily!

#34 in the book Harry only sees Snapes Memory from the pensieve, He never gets into Snapes mind. In the book when Harry casts protego its a stinging hex to stop Snape seeing him kiss Cho

All true. I listened carefully the 2nd time and he does say Protego.

I thought it was nice that, since they made Cho the traitor, they at least had Snape telling Harry about how Umbridge used veritaserum. See, I told you he was a good guy.

Good thread! :) At the moment, the things I can think of that were missed in the movie were:

1) The brain room
2) The hatching egg/bird dying
3) A DE's head turning into a baby's head and back again repeatedly
4) Hermoine's idea of crossing/x-ing the doors of the rooms they went in
5) Pimples on what would be Cho's face instead of Marietta's face
6) Ron's patronus (I didn't see it, did any of you?)
7) Astronomy OWLs
8) Hagrid getting sacked
9) McGonagall getting stunned/attacked
10) The teapot portkey in Dumbledore's office
11) The centaurs arguing over whether Harry and Hermione were children or adults

Not to mention Firenze being cast out by the centuars and becoming Divination teacher...

Oops, just realised littlegeek already said that in the first post. Sorry!

I did miss seeing their practical exams, esp DADA when Harry does so well and further embitters Umbridge.

#35,

Harry does get into Snape's mind in the book. He sees him as a child --- when his parents are fighting.

#38 They did show Ron's patronus; it's a dog, a terrier I think. (hmmmm....)

Hermione's was an otter, Luna's was rabbit. Does anyone remember what Ginny's was? I think they did show it.

Ginny kicks major a$$$!

I LOVE Ginny.

I'm so glad Jo gave Harry a girlfriend who is worthy of him.

Minor quibble: at the end of the movie, wouldn't it have made more sense for Ginny to be walking with Dean instead of Seamus?

^To true, but I don't think anyone really noticed all that much. I just which they had done more with Ron and Hermione as prefects. that would have been funny!

I should admit that until HBP, I always mixed Dean and Seamus up. When it comes to the movies, I still do that. :)

#14 Hey, littlegeek, what's wrong with "looking like a cad"? *grin*

Here's a big point missing from the movie: the fate of Lucius Malfoy at the end of the battle at the Ministry building. In HBP the fact that Lucius is in Azkaban is a major pressure point for Draco, who has a significant part in that 6th book.

#42 - Ginny's patronus was a horse, it reared & neighed...um, could have been a unicorn, but that's also Harry's. I don't recall that the book describes the patroni of any of the other students. Is that a memory lapse?

From the book I remember:

Hermione - otter
Cho - swan

I think it was on JKR's website that Ron's is a magical creature --- can't think what it is called --- that looks like a Jack Russell terrier.

well Ron's certainly stayed true to the book then

#49 - Harry's is a stag, like his father as animagus, not a unicorn.

Edited to add that my gripe is that Dumbledore arrived too late at the end, and didn't capture the death eaters. Grrrrrrr.

Oh, thanks, LadyN - I remember another difference now! :) This isn't missing so much as added on to the movie:

Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville, and Luna watched Harry being possessed by Voldemort in the Ministry, something that did not happen in the book.

Wasn't it so sad? I cried while Harry was seeing happy memories. One of my sisters says she started snorting about when Harry said to Voldemort that he'd never have love or friends - talk about being very different people!

It was very sad, but I know what your sister means....that line was extremely cheesy, and I smirked to myself a little!

Yeah, but so soon after the part that really got to me...Grr, another of my sisters wants to steal the computer, and I haven't eaten yet today (12:26pm). Bye! :)

See ya later!

There was one part in the movie that bugged me, but it wasn't a book to movie issue. More of an editing snafu. When Harry, Ron and Hermione get caught in Umbridge's office, it is just the three of them. Suddenly Crabbe (or Goyle?) is bringing Neville in saying they caught him protecting Ginny, but Ginny and Luna are already there. You never see them getting brought into the office. One second they're not there, the next they are (just like magic LOL)

Oh, and did anyone else pick up on the looks Ginny kept giving Harry and Cho when they were together? Nice little bit of background acting, even if it was a departure from the book.

#57 - Your right, it was never explained that anyone was keeping watch for them when they went into Umbridge's office, you just had to "know". Another case where you had to have read the book to fill in the gaps. there were quite a few of those moments weren't there!

I agree with LadyN, I thought that line was a bit cheesy.

nyah, nyah, nyah, you'll never have any friends!

Ha ha ha!!! Indeed! Not a terribly cutting comeback to the darkest wizard of all time!

in reference to all the other post I smirked a little when he did the cheesy line, but the clips got to me. It's fun to see those back shots of them growing up.

Then he said that line and I had to give a little bit of laughter

#53 Kerian Do you mean that Harry wasn't possessed? Because he was and he kept thinking Kill me, Kill me now. and then he thought at least I'll be wth Sirius and then He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named left.

#62 I think she just meant that his friends didn't witness it.

#60 on

hey I think that Was a very fitting line to fling to Voldy since he has no freinds, no love, no loyalty in his life just trying to keep the power is all and to have the person you percieve as your weaker enemy say "I feel sorry for you" has to really rankle against the evil ego! Don't you think?

From a little back, Ginny's patronus in the movie was a horse. And one thing that was messed up in the move was the timing; totally off compared to the book.

The Jack Russell terrier lookalike is a Crup. Has a forked tail.

#57 Jenson_AKA_DL:
I noticed that, too! Glad to know I'm not the only one. :)

#62 be_safe:
Haven't seen you in a while! :) Nope, I didn't mean that. Do I need to re-word that? :)

#64 polly:
Yep! :)

#64 - Oh I completely get why it was said, I just thought the bit prior to "I pity him" was poorly written. I also think that that kind of line might hit home with a playground bully, but with the father of evil?!

I guess it is of greater importance for Harry to have realised it himself, rather than saying it to try and upset Voldy, which I just don't think would work, regardless of how true it is.... :-)

#67Kerian
Yup i disappeared for a while because I went to on a trip out of country for a while but I am back now.

#69 be_safe:
In that case, welcome back! :)

I was hoping they'd throw in "Weasley Is Our King" but it wouldn't have made a lot of sense without the Quidditch scenes.

I did think Petunia's costume was a trifle ridiculous tho. They.ve never made her ridiculous before

Its bothered me since the POA film that the origin of the Marauders Map was never revealed to Harry. I kept hoping that it would be mentioned during OotP. I don't know if it would be of any significance to the way the story ends, but its always seemed to me to be an important bit of history for film Harry to know who made the map that he uses so much.

#73 are you sure it wasn't mentioned in PoA? I thought it was.

It was explained in the book, but not in the film or any of the films since.

i have not seen the movie yet*sighs* but i must say that i am disappointed to know that there is a lot of good stuff missing.i thought that this was going to be the best of all the other 4 movies,the book and the game being soo good.8(

The names were on the map in the movie, but the names were never explained. that's my main gripe about the PoA film. GGGGRRRRRRR.....

Saify, don't let what we say color your view, it is a great movie!

Absolutely! I've been thinking that its my favorite of the movies so far. I thought the actors were wonderful and that the screenwriter and the director did a good job of condensing the book. There always have to be things left out of movies from books, but I think OotP film does a great job of capturing the essence of the book

I second motion #79!

Ditto. It's a good movie, Saify. :)

I agree that the fact that they left out the identity of the makers of the Mauraders Map and never touched upon why Harry's patronous is a stag was probably the biggest disappointment that I've had about the movies as a whole.

I still enjoy the movies though!

It really annoyed me how there were clips of the previous movies when Voldy was possessing HP. That made me think that they kind of ran out of ideas, so they figured, oh hey, let's use some of the past stuff. I just found that really annoying.

actually I liked that, I thought it was cute.

well it made me cry, which is a good sign in my case

You know what else bothered me?
This movie barely made me cry.
I figured, okay, I LOVE Sirius, I'm definitely going to bawl my eyes out.
I mean, the last movie had me sobbing, so I figured it would be just as bad.
But no, the only time I cried was a little bit after Sirius died.

#84 gpwts:
That scene made me cry, too.

#85 libby:
I guess it's not quite the same as watching Bambi's mother get shot (that was the first movie that made me cry), but while watching the clips while Harry was possessed, did you notice the hard slaps on the back and tight hugs Sirus and Harry exchanged? For me, this made Sirius' death a bigger issue than my initial response after Bella cursed him.

Kerian:

Yes, it did get a little emotional and it was pretty cute, but it still bothered me in the long run.

What was missing from the movie, OOTP? About another 2 hours *grin*

I think there must be a huge amount of material that was filmed and then cut. Notice the brief appearance of Percy Weasley when they come to detain Dumbledore. The character (and his actor) are there, ever so briefly. Makes me thinik there is a lot of material that was covered, but could not make it into a commercial release. Percy had that perfect, smug look on his face too.

It wasn't clear to me from the movie that Sirius actually died. He turned kind of opaque and was pulled into that gateway thing that was never explained. I'm not saying that he didn't, just that the movie didn't make it clear.