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1SqueakyChu
Jun 19, 2017, 11:38 pm

For those new to this challenge: More info and monthly index can be found in post #1 of this thread or this TIOLI FAQS wiki.

Simple directions for posting to the wiki can be found at the bottom of each month's wiki page.


...logo by cyderry

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For the month of July, 2017, your challenge is to...

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Read a book of short stories (fiction) by a new-to-you author

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I would prefer if you read a book by an author whom you’ve never even heard of before, but at least make it a book by an author who is pretty much unfamiliar to you and/or whose other works you’ve never read. For a shared read, you do not have to follow this parameter,

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Other Fun Stuff (not part of the TIOLI challenge):

1. The July 2017 TIOLI Meter - Optional page on which you may track your TIOLI reading. FYI: This is not meant to be competitive - only fun!
2. Morphidae's List of Previous TIOLI Challenges - You may use this reference (Do a control-F scan) to avoid repeating a previous challenge. If your idea is similar to a previous challenge, just make it unique by adding a new "twist" to it. (Updated 01/05/17)

2SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 7, 2017, 12:07 am

Wiki Index of Challenges:

Challenges #1-6
1. Read a book of short stories (fiction) by a new-to-you author - msg #1
2. Read a book with a name in the first sentence - msg #9
3. Read a book you acquired during the first half of 2017 - msg #10
4. Read a book with an epigraph in it's opening pages - msg #13
5. Read a book with a generic family relationship in the title - msg #14
6. Read a book by a Canadian author whose gender is the opposite of the one you identify with - msg #18

Challenges #7-12
7. Re-read a book you had to read in school - msg #20
8. Read a book first published between 1955 and 2017 - msg #21
9. Read a book with a masculine pronoun in the title - msg #28
10. Read a book written by one of LT’s top 200 blurbers - msg #31
11. Read a book that mentions the Korean War or is by a Korean author or is by an author who was in the Korean War - msg #34
12. Read a book that doesn't end on the last page - msg #37

Challenges #13-18
13. Read a book that is a "late" shared read - msg #42
14. Read a book with a word in the title or series title indicating hot or cold - msg #58
15. Read a book written by an author whose name appears in a Biblical book in rolling order - msg #59
16. Read a book that has an animal as the main focus or character - msg #68
17. Read a memoir or autobiography by an author whose birth was at least 15 years before or after your birth - msg #70
18. Read a book in which a team or group travels together on a multi-stop and/or multi-day trip - msg #75

Hold your challenge until the August, 2017, TIOLI challenges are posted. Thank you!

3SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 19, 2017, 11:54 pm

I know! This is unheard of...me posting next month's challenge so early. The reason for this is that I will not have computer access for a few weeks at the end of the month and the beginning of next month. Go ahead and start posting your challenges for next month even though I might not get to finish the wiki until well after the first week of July. I'll make any needed changes then.

4SqueakyChu
Jun 19, 2017, 11:57 pm

The reason I'll be off line is that I'm travelling to Ontario with my husband and best friend just for fun. I'll be visiting and meeting up with some friends including LTers @_Zoe_, @torontoc, @radicarian, and @jessibud2. It should be a fun trip...and I will not be away from book people!

5countrylife
Jun 20, 2017, 7:30 am

Wow. Even though I read the warning about this on the other thread, I was still surprised to see it pop up!

6SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 20, 2017, 11:39 am

>5 countrylife: Don't get too used to these early postings! :D

7wandering_star
Jun 20, 2017, 12:11 pm

Have a lovely trip!

8susanna.fraser
Jun 20, 2017, 12:43 pm

>4 SqueakyChu: Have a wonderful time in Canada!

9countrylife
Jun 20, 2017, 12:48 pm

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Challenge # 2: Read a book with a name in the first sentence.
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10lindapanzo
Jun 20, 2017, 1:09 pm

Challenge #3: Read a book that you acquired during the first half of 2017

As we turn the corner into the second half of the year, which I always think of as starting on July 1st though that may not be technically accurate, I like to think of the books I read and the books I bought or borrowed during the first half of the year.

So, my challenge is to read a book you acquired--by purchase or borrowing or whatever--during the January 1 to June 30th period of this year.

11SqueakyChu
Jun 20, 2017, 3:21 pm

>7 wandering_star: >8 susanna.fraser: Thanks! I'm sure I will.

12Helenliz
Jun 20, 2017, 3:49 pm

Have a good time. >:-)

13DeltaQueen50
Jun 20, 2017, 4:29 pm

Have a wonderful trip, Madeline.

Challenge #4: Read A Book With An Epigraph In It's Opening Pages

Epigraph: A short quotation, saying or poem at the beginning of a book
intending to suggest it’s theme.

My challenge this month is to read a book that has an epigraph in it’s opening pages.
For this challenge please list on the wiki, where the quotation comes from and the author’s
name.

Example: Birds of a Feather by Jacqueline Winspear - “Fall In” by Harold Begbie

14Citizenjoyce
Jun 20, 2017, 4:39 pm

>4 SqueakyChu: Ah, Canada. To those of us in the boiling southwest, Canada sounds perfect right now.

Challenge #5: Read a book with a generic family relationship in the title such as mother, brother, cousin.
For my RL book club I'll be reading My Grandmother Asked Me To Tell You She's Sorry.

15DeltaQueen50
Jun 20, 2017, 4:47 pm

>1 SqueakyChu: Madeline, for your challenge I am going to read a collection of short stories by Peter Sutton who is a new-to-me author but who is also a member of LT and someone I know from the Category Challenge. This book, A Tiding of Magpies is his first. I hope this fits in with the spirit of your challenge.

16SqueakyChu
Edited: Jun 20, 2017, 4:55 pm

>13 DeltaQueen50:

Thank you!

>15 DeltaQueen50: That sounds wonderful! Enjoy the book!

The idea of this challenge was really to try something unexpected. Even knowing Peter Sutton from LT does not give you any insight into what his writing is like. I hope you're pleasantly surprised.

I also love the idea of supporting our own LT authors by reading the books they write.

17DeltaQueen50
Jun 20, 2017, 5:52 pm

>16 SqueakyChu: Thanks, Madeline, I'm looking forward to it.

18raidergirl3
Edited: Jun 20, 2017, 7:48 pm

Challenge #6: Canada150 - Read a book by a Canadian author whose gender is the opposite of the one you identify with

In honour of Canada 150 - the 150th anniversary of Canadian Confederation and Canada Day on July 1st, read a Canadian book, but make it one where the author has a gender opposite of the one you identify with. (Canada recently passed a bill adding gender identity and expression to the protected human rights)

eta - also, squeakychu will be in Canada

19SqueakyChu
Jun 20, 2017, 9:36 pm

>18 raidergirl3: also, squeakychu will be in Canada

Tee hee!

20susanna.fraser
Jun 21, 2017, 1:30 am

Challenge #7: Re-read a book you had to read in school - started by susanna.fraser

Self-explanatory. List the grade/year you were in when you first read it. Shared reads OK.

21FAMeulstee
Edited: Jun 21, 2017, 8:50 am

In memory of my oldest sister (April 3rd, 1955 - June 8th, 2017):

Challenge #8: Read a book first published between 1955 and 2017

22DeltaQueen50
Jun 21, 2017, 12:45 pm

>21 FAMeulstee: So sorry to read of the passing of your sister, Anita. This is a lovely way to honor her memory.

23Citizenjoyce
Jun 21, 2017, 5:16 pm

>21 FAMeulstee: I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your sister, Anita.

24Citizenjoyce
Edited: Jul 31, 2017, 11:14 pm

It's weird to be doing this so early in the month. My planned reads for the month

Challenge #1: Read a book of short stories (fiction) by a new-to-you author - started by SqueakyChu
*✔The Dinner Party: Stories - Joshua Ferris (2.5)
Challenge #2: Read a book with a name in the first sentence - started by countrylife
*✔Anything is Possible - Elizabeth Strout (4.5)
Challenge #3: Read a book you acquired during the first half of 2017 - started by lindapanzo
*The Girl from the Metropol Hotel: Growing Up in Communist Russia - Ludmilla Petrushevskaya
Interference by Amelie Antoine (4)
Challenge #4: Read a book with an epigraph in it's opening pages - started by DeltaQueen
*✔The Essex Serpent - Sarah Perry (3.5)
Lonesome Dove - Larry McMurtry
Challenge #5: Read a book with a generic family relationship in the title - started by Citizenjoyce
My Grandmother Asked Me to Tell You She's Sorry - Fredrik Backman Audio (2)
Challenge #6: Canada150 - Read a book by a Canadian author whose gender is the opposite of the one you identify with - started by raidergirl3
Canadian Wonder Tales - Cyrus MacMillan (3.5)
Challenge #7: Re-read a book you had to read in school - started by susanna.fraser
*J.B.: A Play in Verse - Archibald MacLeish
Challenge #8: Read a book first published between 1955 and 2017 - started by FAMeulstee
The Sister - Poppy Adams
Survivors Club: The True Story of a Very Young Prisoner of Auschwitz- Michael Bornstein (4)
Challenge #9: Read a book with a masculine pronoun in the title - started by lyzard
Geronimo: His Own Story: The Autobiography of a Great Patriot Warrior - Geronimo
(4)
Challenge #10: Read a book written by one of LT’s top 200 blurbers - started by JeanneD
Rocannon's World - Ursula K. Le Guin (3.5)
Challenge #11: Read a book that mentions the Korean War or is by a Korean author or is by an author who was in the Korean War - started by dallenbaugh
In Order to Live: A North Korean Girl's Journey to Freedom - Yeonmi Park
*✔Mash: A Novel About Three Army Doctors by Richard Hooker (4)
Pachinko - Min Jin Lee - Audiobook (4)
Challenge #12: Read a book that doesn't end on the last page (index, bibliography, notes, publisher's list/ads etc) - started by avatiakh
Al Franken, Giant of the Senate - Al Franken (5)
Every Man Dies Alone: A Novel - Hans Fallada Audiobook (5)
*The Genius of Birds - Jennifer Ackerman
Challenge #13: Read a book that is a "late" shared read - started by helenliz
✔The Hate U Give - Angie Thomas (5)
Challenge #14: Read a book with a word in the title or series title indicating hot or cold - started by PawsforThought
Cold Betrayal by J. A. Jance Audiobook (3.5)
The Radium Girls: The Dark Story of America's Shining Women - Kate Moore (5)
*✔The Snow Child - Eowyn Ivey (4)
Challenge #15: Read a book written by an author whose name appears in a Biblical book in rolling order - started by paulstalder
*✔Journey by Aaron Becker - Picture book (4)
Challenge #16: Read a book that has an animal as the main focus or character - started by fuzzi
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - J. K. Rowling - Nook
Guardians of the Night - Alan Russell - Kindle (3)
Challenge #17: Read a memoir or autobiography by an author whose birth was at least 15 years before or after your birth - started by klobrien2
Hunger: A Memoir of (My) Body - Roxane Gay (3.5)
I'm Down: A Memoir - Mishna Wolff
We Are Never Meeting In Real Life - Samantha Irby
Challenge #18: Read a book in which a team or group travels together on a multi-stop and/or multi-day trip - started by jennyifer24
Glory over Everything: Beyond The Kitchen House - Kathleen Grissom (4.5)
The Trail To Crazy Man - Louis L'Amour

25susanna.fraser
Jun 21, 2017, 5:32 pm

>21 FAMeulstee: My deepest sympathies on your loss.

26SqueakyChu
Jun 21, 2017, 6:24 pm

>21 FAMeulstee: I'm so very sorry to hear of the loss of your sister. Should you want to post a picture of her here on this thread, we'd be happy to honor her. May her memory be a blessing.

27lyzard
Jun 21, 2017, 6:27 pm

>21 FAMeulstee:

I'm so sorry for your loss, Anita!

28lyzard
Jun 21, 2017, 6:29 pm

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Challenge #9: Read a book with a masculine pronoun in the title

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Non-English pronouns allowed.

The pronoun should *not* be embedded.

29FAMeulstee
Jun 21, 2017, 6:36 pm

Thanks Judy, Joyce, Susanna, Madeline and Liz.

We were not on speaking terms for the last 10 years and not very close before that... so I have no recent pictures. I think the last one was from the 1980s, I look if I can find it.
More details can be found on my thread...

30SqueakyChu
Jun 21, 2017, 8:15 pm

>29 FAMeulstee: Still...my heart goes out to you and the rest of your family.

31jeanned
Jun 24, 2017, 5:02 pm

Challenge #10: Read a book written by one of LT’s top 200 blurbers

Who are these blurbers I speak of and how do you find them? Click on the Zeitgeist tab in LT, then click on the CK (common knowledge) subtab. It could just be me, but this page takes some time to load, so be patient. Scroll down to the 7th common knowledge cloud; it is titled ‘Top 100 blurbers for works’. Click on the button at the right side of this title bar to expand to 200 blurbers. Any book written by someone on this list is eligible for inclusion in this challenge.

Why? I’ve been under the weather for a week now, and cold medication is making it a lot of fun to say and type the word blurbers.

32raidergirl3
Jun 24, 2017, 5:16 pm

>31 jeanned: Cool - I like challenges where you learn more about info available on LT

33countrylife
Jun 24, 2017, 6:53 pm

>31 jeanned: : I love LT-centric challenges!

34dallenbaugh
Edited: Jun 24, 2017, 8:00 pm

Challenge #11: Read a book that mentions the Korean War or is by a Korean author or is by an author who was in the Korean War

North & South Korea are much in the U.S. news these days. Plus the Korean War between the North and the South officially ended in July of 1953. I think the challenge is self-explanatory but let me know if you have questions.

Solo Faces by James Salter (Korean War veteran)

The Hunters by James Salter (about the Korean War)

35countrylife
Jun 25, 2017, 7:51 pm

RE: Challenge #11 - a book by a Korean author that I enjoyed: Please look after mom by Kyŏng-suk Sin.

36dallenbaugh
Jun 25, 2017, 8:24 pm

>35 countrylife: Thanks for the suggestion. This looks like a good one.

37avatiakh
Edited: Jun 27, 2017, 4:43 am

Challenge #12: Read a book that doesn't end on the last page

By that I mean that at the end of the book is something like a glossary, index, bibliography, author notes, acknowledgements, publisher's list/ads or message about the font. I'll also accept first chapter of author's next book.
Blank pages don't count.

38wandering_star
Jun 27, 2017, 12:05 pm

>34 dallenbaugh: I am just reading Pachinko, by a Korean-American author, which I would definitely recommend.

39dallenbaugh
Jun 27, 2017, 2:25 pm

>38 wandering_star: Another good suggestion. It is even in my local library system. I wish I didn't have so many books checked out already. I will put it on the TBR list

40lyzard
Jun 27, 2017, 8:05 pm

>13 DeltaQueen50:

Judy, would an anonymous epigraph be acceptable? I have one that is quoted all over the place, but as 'anonymous' or 'unattributed'.

41DeltaQueen50
Jun 29, 2017, 12:45 am

>40 lyzard: Liz, I will accept 'Anonymous' as long as it is a real literary quote. I almost added a book to my challenge before I realized that the epigraph was actually a quote from a made up character in the book!

42Helenliz
Edited: Jul 7, 2017, 1:34 pm

I know Madeline likes to encourage people to share read, I'm just a bit rubbish at actually making them happen. Partly I don't read all that much and partly if I don't have the book already it can take a while to get it from the library. All of which means that I may start with the intention of sharing a read, but I miss. so:

====Challenge #13: Read a book that is a "late" shared read - started by helenliz====

By which I mean read a book that someone else has listed as completed in TIOLI. You may use any book listed as completed. Please include the month and challenge number of the original entry when listing your book. Also, just for fun, include how many TIOLI points the book would have earnt had you been able to read it in the same month as everyone else did.

43lyzard
Jun 29, 2017, 3:02 am

>41 DeltaQueen50:

Thanks, Judy! I'm pretty sure this one is real, but I will look into it further before listing.

44countrylife
Jun 29, 2017, 12:18 pm

>42 Helenliz: : I like that, Helenliz! I've noticed when I look at the TIOLI records, that sometimes with a good shared read of plenty of sharers, that same book usually pops up in the next few TIOLIs as if someone didn't quite get it done for the previous share. "A late shared read" - love it!

45Citizenjoyce
Jun 29, 2017, 3:38 pm

>42 Helenliz: I've done this so many times in the past. Let's see if I can find one this month.

46madhatter22
Jun 29, 2017, 10:34 pm

>42 Helenliz: I've done this too. Great idea. :)

47lyzard
Jun 30, 2017, 6:19 pm

Hmm... These challenges aren't being very cooperative, as far as my TBR list goes. I hope we'll have a few more added in the next couple of days, or I might have to face the shocking possibility of not fitting something into TIOLI!? :D

48lindapanzo
Jun 30, 2017, 6:22 pm

>47 lyzard: Between my challenge and FAMeulstee's, I feel like just about every book I own is covered.

We can always try to help you out.

49lyzard
Jun 30, 2017, 6:27 pm

Thanks, Linda, though I think I go far enough with my own self-interested challenges without ordering some to fit! :D

I'm now browsing past challenges for a "late shared read" or two...

50avatiakh
Jun 30, 2017, 6:37 pm

>48 lindapanzo: ...and I thought my challenge would pick up any stragglers!

51lyzard
Jun 30, 2017, 6:46 pm

Too many old books, too many books either acquired too early or not acquired yet... :)

52lindapanzo
Jun 30, 2017, 7:13 pm

>50 avatiakh: I haven't even started looking at books for many of the other challenge yet. The one I'm hoping to finish tonight for the June sweep would fit your challenge for July, for sure.

I was staring at the pile of books I've purchased this year, not to mention the approximately 8 to 10 library books that have shown up in the past week. I may end up having 10 or 12 books in my challenge and nothing else.

53jeanned
Jun 30, 2017, 7:22 pm

>46 madhatter22: Would you be game for moving our shared read of the The Silkworm to Challenge #13? It's the only book I have for this month that will fit Helen's challenge, while I have several with an epigraph.

54madhatter22
Edited: Jun 30, 2017, 9:56 pm

>53 jeanned: Absolutely. I'll move mine over.

I just moved them both over, but I'm not sure which month/challenge The Silkworm was from and I always have trouble searching through the past challenges. Do you have the info handy?

55lyzard
Jun 30, 2017, 10:23 pm

>54 madhatter22:

No help to you at the moment, but I am planning on doing a six-monthly update of the past challenge database (this being by way of 'Note To Self').

56jeanned
Jun 30, 2017, 11:01 pm

>54 madhatter22: Thank you! I have added the challenge info.

>42 Helenliz: In our case, does that mean that both of us reading it would raise it to 2 points?

57Helenliz
Jul 1, 2017, 2:31 am

In reply to 56, yes please. If you had both read it when it was previously listed there would have been even more TIOLI points.

58PawsforThought
Jul 1, 2017, 9:37 am

After an unusually cool spring and June, we've finally got some real summer weather in my part of the world and I've been relishing (though I'm aware that some of you would scoff at what I call "summer temperatures"). So I'm celebrating with a TIOLI challenge.

Challenge #14: Read a book with a word in the title or series title indicating hot or cold - started by PawsforThought

Read a book where a word in the title of the book or a word in the title of the series the book is part of indicates something hot or cold. It can be hot or cold weather (heatwave, blizzard, etc.), words that are associated with heat and cold (fire, ice, etc.) or just words that mean something hot or cold (warm, freezing, boiling, etc.) It's up to you.

If you choose a book where it s the series title that has a hot/cold word, please add the series title in brackets to the wiki list.

Only titles or series titles are accepted, not authors' names - but embedded words are fine.

Examples:

A Game of Thrones (A Song of Ice and Fire) by George R. R. Martin
The Snowstorm by Aleksandr Pushkin
Cool! by Michael Morpurgo

59paulstalder
Edited: Jul 2, 2017, 8:53 am

Challenge #15: Read a book written by an author whose name appears in a Biblical book in rolling order

I challenge you to read a book by an author who has got a Biblical first name (written on the title page of your book). To make it a bit more difficult we do that in rolling order according to the sequence of the Biblical books.

- Genesis (possible names: Abraham, Sarah, Rebecca etc.)
- Exodus: Moses, Aaron, Israel, Levi, Mirjam ...
- Leviticus: Moses, Aaron, Nadab ...
- Numeri: Joseph, Simeon, Benjamin ...
- Deuteronomy: Joshua, Ruben ...
- Joshua: Joshua, Juda, Ephraim ...
- Judges: Deborah, Gideon, Simson ...
- Ruth: Ruth, Boas, Naomi, David ...
- 1 Samuel: Samuel, Eli, Saul, Jonathan ...
- 2 Samuel: David, Michal, Nathan ...
- 1 Kings: Salomo, Bathseba, Asa ...
- 2 Kings: Elija, Joram, Elisha, Jezebel ...
- 1 Chronicles: Adam, Perez, Ira
- 2 Chronicles: Salomo, Sisak, Ephraim...
- Esra: Esra, Bani, Darius ...
- Nehemiah: Nehemiah, Benjamin, Baruch ...
- Esther: Esther, Vashti, Mordechai ...
- Job: Job, Elihu ...
- Psalms: David, Asaph, Joab, Etan
...
...

Different spellings are okay as long as it is clearly coming from the Biblical name. One name can appear several times, but an author can only appear once. So, I read a book by Isaac Asimov, that means, that author cannot be listed with Numeri (where the name Isaac appears again), but Isaac B. Singer would count.

Please indicate the Bible verse where the name appears....

Edited to make a change:
To make it easier, I think I allow three names per entry (Biblical book). So if Leviticus is already taken, you may go back to Genesis or Exodus and add a book which fits there. But the first entry must come in the order of the Biblical books but then you may add additional two books for each previous entry. Hope, I explained that good enough :)

60PawsforThought
Jul 1, 2017, 4:53 pm

>59 paulstalder: Does the "different spellings" include other languages' versions of the names? (Elijah is Elias in Swedish, for instance)

Also, doesn't anyone have a complete-ish list of names in the bible? I'm not Christian and while I do own a bible (so can check the order of the books), I'd never be able to check all the names (definitely not the names in Genesis).

61paulstalder
Jul 1, 2017, 5:05 pm

>60 PawsforThought: Different names from different languages, yes, and variants in spelling (Naomi, Noemi etc.).

There are concordances online in some places and wikipedia often gives the Bible verses where a name appears. One site you may look at is http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/hitchcocks-bible-names: look for a name and then click on 'N' (just to make it easy, because there you don't have to read the whole article, it just gives you the verses). Does that help or do you need further hints?

62PawsforThought
Jul 1, 2017, 5:22 pm

>61 paulstalder: Thanks! I never thought my lack of bible knowledge would become an issue on LT, of all places!

63paulstalder
Jul 1, 2017, 5:48 pm

>62 PawsforThought: Don't worry. Regard the Bible as literature and think about the main characters doing their appearance ... We could do a challenge with Murder on the Orient Express by Agatha Christie, taking the names which appear in each chapter ... or Lewis' Narnia books .... Some would have to acknowledge their lack of Christie or Lewis knowledge :)

64PawsforThought
Jul 1, 2017, 6:10 pm

>63 paulstalder: And then I'd get to shine, as my knowledge of Christie and Lewis far surpasses that of the bible.

I have actually read the whole bible once (well, listened to an audiobook version of it), but I didn't remember much more than what I already knew from before.

65fuzzi
Jul 1, 2017, 6:46 pm

>21 FAMeulstee: I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. My eldest sister was also born in 1955.

66PawsforThought
Jul 2, 2017, 5:28 am

>59 paulstalder: I've been looking at a chart of biblical books, and was wondering which version of the Bible you're going with. I didn't know that the Protestant and Catholic churches had different versions of the Bible and the Catholic version has several books that don't appear in the Protestant one (and the Eastern Orthodox version has yet more). Is it the Protestant or Catholic version or can people choose?

67paulstalder
Jul 2, 2017, 8:21 am

>66 PawsforThought: I take the content from the Jewish Bible (Tanach, Old Testament) but the order would follow the Protestant version. I didn't think about the Apocrypha (additional Jewish writings which were added to the Latin (Catholic) Bible) because I think we will not reach them .... some Bibles add the Apocrypha after the last prophet (Malachi), others put them between the other books. A quite widely spread Catholic version has the book of Tobit as the first Apocrypha between the books of Nehemia and Esther, that would make the 17th entry in our challenge - and to have so many books in a rolling challenge (of mine) would be pretty unusual. That my 'Amazing Grace' challenge in May had 32 entries was spectacular to me :)
So, don't bother about the Apocrypha and/or different versions. I will complete the list in >59 paulstalder: up to the Psalms and then later even more, when and if we come to it.

I didn't realize the scope of questions possible when I thought up that challenge. I wanted us to look into the Bible/remember a character from a Biblical book and then find a fitting author. The easiest way to do my challenge would be to check the name of the author of the book I want to read in a list of biblical names and see where it is mentioned in the Bible and then if that book comes up next in the challenge.

68fuzzi
Jul 2, 2017, 11:29 am

Self-serving, because I have a LOT of these on my shelves, unread:

Challenge #16: Read a book that has an animal as the main focus or character

Fiction or non-fiction, but the story must be about the animal.

69fuzzi
Jul 2, 2017, 11:35 am

>67 paulstalder: I'm going with the King James Bible, the standard for 400 years, and the most widely owned and read Bible of all the versions available.

Of those people who actually read the Bible within the last year, 55% of them read The King James versus 17% who read the New International Version.

http://www.raac.iupui.edu/files/2713/9413/8354/Bible_in_American_Life_Report_Mar...

70klobrien2
Edited: Jul 2, 2017, 4:02 pm

Challenge #17: Read a memoir or autobiography by an author whose birth was at least 15 years before or after your birth

I've got a couple of what are turning out to be very good books in the works by "young" authors (younger than me, anyway), and no place to put them in this month's TIOLI. In addition to providing a TIOLI home for these reads, I figure this is a great way for the generations to bridge the gap; older people can read younger people, younger people can read the old ones.

Here are the books I'm reading for the challenge (both were guests of Trevor Noah on "The Daily Show"):

This is Just My Face: Try Not to Stare - Gabourey Sidibe
The Awkward Thoughts of W. Kamau Bell: Tales of a 6' 4", African American, Heterosexual, Cisgender, Left-Leaning, Asthmatic, Black and Proud Blerd, Mama's Boy, Dad, and Stand-Up Comedian

Karen O.

71PawsforThought
Jul 2, 2017, 3:34 pm

>70 klobrien2: Is it exactly 15 years or at least 15 years?

72klobrien2
Edited: Jul 2, 2017, 3:36 pm

I knew it! I realized after I first posted, that I wasn't clear, that someone would wonder. So, it's AT LEAST 15 years. Sorry! Does the challenge seem clear now?

Karen O.

73PawsforThought
Jul 2, 2017, 3:55 pm

>72 klobrien2: Yes, absolutely. I'm assuming that is the author has died (but would be more than 15 years older if they were alive) it counts?

74klobrien2
Jul 2, 2017, 4:00 pm

Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, I would say that counts. So the author was born at least fifteen years before or after you were. I think I'll adjust my challenge wording!

Thanks for your proofing!

Karen O.

75jennyifer24
Edited: Jul 3, 2017, 9:57 am

In honor of the Tour de France...

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Challenge #18 Read a book in which a group or team travels together on a multi-day and/or multi-stop trip.

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The group should be 3+ travelers. Please include a brief description of the travels. The trip does not have to be sports-related, but definitely could be.

76madhatter22
Jul 3, 2017, 8:02 pm

>75 jennyifer24: Does the trip need to be the main focus of the book?

77madhatter22
Jul 3, 2017, 8:27 pm

>70 klobrien2: Can you do a shared read if the author is not 15 yrs older/younger than you?

78klobrien2
Jul 3, 2017, 9:48 pm

>77 madhatter22: Sure--if you're sharing a read, no other qualification matters. Go forth and read!

Karen O.

79jennyifer24
Edited: Jul 4, 2017, 12:30 am

>76 madhatter22: Nope! Doesn't have to be the main focus.

80Citizenjoyce
Edited: Jul 4, 2017, 3:24 pm

>58 PawsforThought: This is a stretch, but how about the word radium for hot. I want to read Radium Girls: The Dark Story of America's Shining Women by Kate Moore and, while it would fit in another challenge I think it would be appropriate here because the radium they used did burn through these women's bodies.

81PawsforThought
Jul 4, 2017, 4:38 pm

>80 Citizenjoyce: I'll accept that. Partly because I have that book myself and am dying to read it (though I doubt I'll get to it this month), and partly because I associate everything radioactive with nuclear bombs and/or nuclear meltdowns (can you tell my childhood was affected by Chernobyl?)

So definitely read it, and give me reading envy!

82elkiedee
Jul 5, 2017, 12:50 am

>70 klobrien2:: At recent reading speed and given my range of books to read, this is a totally speculative question, and I do have a huge choice of memoirs by authors who are more than 15 years older than me, but I just looked up an author born in August 54, and I was born in June 69. If I were to pick that book, would it count?

83Helenliz
Jul 5, 2017, 2:04 pm

It's that time again, I have a book and can't see where to put it. Daphne du Maurier's Frenchman's Creek has turned up at the library, but I'm struggling to find a home for it. Any suggestions welcome.

84PawsforThought
Jul 5, 2017, 2:18 pm

>83 Helenliz: If challenge #2 allows for place names and not just personal names it could fit there ("Helford River" is apparently mentioned in the first sentence).

Or if the edition you have doesn't end on the last page of the book it could fit in challenge #12.

85klobrien2
Jul 5, 2017, 2:49 pm

>82 elkiedee: Yeah, that counts--close enough to 15 full years. I am not a nitpicker!

I'm laughing to myself because, originally, I had set the year span at 20 years. One of my authors wasn't quite that much younger than me, so I changed it to 15 years.

Karen O.

86FAMeulstee
Jul 5, 2017, 3:01 pm

>83 Helenliz: Looking at the Common Knowledge, there is an edition with an introduction that starts with "Back in 1975 when I was fifteen and already determined to Be A Novelist, I wrote a letter to Daphne du Maurier." That would fit challenge #2.

87cbl_tn
Jul 5, 2017, 4:50 pm

>83 Helenliz: I'm thinking it would fit challenge #18.

88Dejah_Thoris
Edited: Jul 5, 2017, 5:17 pm

>83 Helenliz: I know where it will fit perfectly! Karen and I read Frenchman's Creek for TIOLI Challenge #19 back in March of 2015, so it fits in this month's Challenge #13, late shared read. You'd have made it 2 points.

89Helenliz
Jul 6, 2017, 1:43 am

Thanks for the ideas, several to consider. >88 Dejah_Thoris: may have hit the winner there.

90Dejah_Thoris
Edited: Jul 7, 2017, 7:32 pm

>89 Helenliz: I admit I was mildly amused at suggesting your own challenge to you.....

91susanna.fraser
Jul 7, 2017, 4:41 pm

>68 fuzzi: Does the book need to be about an individual animal, or can it be about multiple animals? (I'm looking for a home for The Genius of Birds.)

92fuzzi
Jul 7, 2017, 8:00 pm

>91 susanna.fraser: I was referring to reading a book with an animal protagonist, like Lassie or Man o' War, though a group of animals would be okay if it were something like the wanderers in Watership Down.

However, a book about a particular type of animal, such as The Genius of Birds, is not what I had intended with the challenge. Sorry.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go put The Genius of Birds on my TBR list... ::grumble::

93susanna.fraser
Jul 7, 2017, 10:30 pm

>92 fuzzi: Understood--I can put it on acquired in 1st half of year or published between 1955 and 2017, too.

94raidergirl3
Jul 11, 2017, 12:39 pm

Is anyone else unable to find the wiki with the challenge? when I go to the link, it says

"There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page."

95lindapanzo
Jul 11, 2017, 12:43 pm

>94 raidergirl3: Yes, I'm getting that same thing. I tried all 3 groups of challenges and got the same result. Strange. Also, I tried last month's wikis and am getting the same result.

96FAMeulstee
Jul 11, 2017, 12:45 pm

It is reported as bug in the bug collectors thread.

97raidergirl3
Jul 11, 2017, 12:56 pm

>96 FAMeulstee: okay, thanks.

98elkiedee
Jul 12, 2017, 6:55 am

Glad I'm not the only one finding this troubling! I was going to look at possible shared reads!

99countrylife
Jul 12, 2017, 8:49 am

>58 PawsforThought: : Paws - Since the wikis aren't working right now for me to be able to check and see if this word has been used on your "hot or cold" challenge, can you make the call? The word is "Winter". Yes, I am OCD enough to want every read to fit into a TIOLI. So, it's not an issue for me if "Winter" doesn't work for you; I'll just put put the book aside to finish next month and try for a different TIOLI then!

100dallenbaugh
Jul 12, 2017, 5:02 pm

It looks like we are back in business, reading business that is.

101PawsforThought
Jul 12, 2017, 5:12 pm

>99 countrylife: Yeah, I'll accept that. Winter in my world is very cold so I'd definitely associate those words.

102fuzzi
Edited: Jul 12, 2017, 9:18 pm

Hey! We're stuck on 1 Samuel in >59 paulstalder: challenge. Anyone ready to do 2 Samuel?

Or is it okay if I do two in a row, @paulstalder?

103FAMeulstee
Jul 13, 2017, 1:21 pm

>102 fuzzi: 2 Samuel is filled now, fuzzi

104paulstalder
Jul 13, 2017, 1:25 pm

>103 FAMeulstee: great. I wanted to fill it also, but you were much quicker ... :)

105FAMeulstee
Jul 15, 2017, 8:38 am

With finishing 1984 for challenge #7, I finished my July sweep:

#1: Rashomon en andere verhalen (Rashomon and Other Stories) by Ryûnosoke Akutagwa
#2: De jonge prinsen by Guus Kuijer
#3: Witte nachten (White Nights, Shetland 2) by Ann Cleeves
#4: Anna Karenina by L.N. Tolstoj & De vijfde vrouw (The Fifth Woman) by Henning Mankell
#5: Moenli en de moeder van de wolven by Klaus Kordon
#6: De honden (The Dogs) by Allan Stratton
#7: 1984 by George Orwell
#8: Schijnbeeld (Past reason hated, DCI Banks 5) by Peter Robinson
#9: Hij heette Jan (A Night in Distant Motion) by Irina Korschunow
#10: De derde man (The Third Man) by Graham Greene
#11: Waar is onze moeder (Please Look After Mom) by Kyung-Sook Shin
#12: Het wonderlijke verhaal van Hendrik Meier (The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar) by Roald Dahl
#13: Soldaat Peaceful (Private Peaceful) by Michael Morpurgo
#14: Haringen in sneeuw by Remco Ekkers
#15: Geen bloemen by Lévi Weemoedt
#16: Bonfire, zoon van de Zwarte Hengst (The Black Stallion's blood bay colt) by Walter Farley
#17: Jeugdherinneringen by J.J. Voskuil
#18: Zout van de zee (Salt to the Sea) by Ruta Sepetys

106fuzzi
Jul 15, 2017, 9:09 am

>105 FAMeulstee: great job!

107fuzzi
Jul 15, 2017, 9:13 am

Thanks to >59 paulstalder: and his challenge, I have found another wonderful author.

I could not find an author with the name "Aaron" in my own books, and so I searched for one. The book Journey by Aaron Becker intrigued me, and as it was available at our public library, I put in a request for a copy.

Wow, wow, wow, lovely book, fantastic art, and no words!

I just read book two Quest, and will be reading the third book Return soon.

Thanks Paul!

108SqueakyChu
Jul 15, 2017, 9:42 am

>105 FAMeulstee: She does it again! Amazing!! Congrats, Anita! I'm still on the same book I started at the beginning of this month. Some of us read faster than others. :D

109FAMeulstee
Jul 15, 2017, 2:39 pm

>106 fuzzi: & >108 SqueakyChu: Thanks fuzzi and Madeline.
Each month I fear there will be a challenge I can't fill, but then I find the books I need each month again.

110Helenliz
Jul 15, 2017, 2:44 pm

>105 FAMeulstee: well done!
I can never decide which I think is more impressive: reading that many books or finding a book to fit each challenge.

111Citizenjoyce
Jul 15, 2017, 4:51 pm

>105 FAMeulstee: Congrats again.

112tchelyzt
Edited: Jul 15, 2017, 4:58 pm

RE: Challenge #12, Julio Cortázar wrote Hopscotch which is not read from end to end!!!

113Citizenjoyce
Jul 15, 2017, 9:29 pm

>81 PawsforThought: I just saw your answer. I'll be starting Radium tomorrow.

114avatiakh
Jul 15, 2017, 9:55 pm

>112 tchelyzt: I have that around somewhere, it would be an interesting contender for the challenge.

116avatiakh
Jul 15, 2017, 11:29 pm

>115 Citizenjoyce: heartrending

117SqueakyChu
Jul 15, 2017, 11:55 pm

>115 Citizenjoyce: Wow! I had the good fortune to hear and see Sherman Alexie at a past National Book Festival here in DC. I agree with his wife about his need to take care of himself first. Depression can be emotionally crippling. I'm looking forward to the day when he will be comfortable returning to the road for more book tours. In the meantime, I hope he finds the comfort he needs.

118FAMeulstee
Edited: Jul 16, 2017, 3:40 am

>110 Helenliz: & >111 Citizenjoyce: Thanks Helen and Joyce
The reading goes easy, Helen, finding fitting books is more difficult.

119DeltaQueen50
Jul 17, 2017, 3:05 pm

>105 FAMeulstee: Congratulations, Anita!

120lindapanzo
Jul 17, 2017, 4:15 pm

>105 FAMeulstee: Congratulations on your latest sweep. I know how hard it is to do it even once but doing it every single month this year is incredible.

121FAMeulstee
Jul 18, 2017, 7:15 am

>119 DeltaQueen50: & >120 lindapanzo: Thanks Judy and Linda.
The largest part is that I can read a lot at the moment, Linda, finding matching books is always a challenge.

122paulstalder
Edited: Jul 18, 2017, 10:51 am

>107 fuzzi: I am pleased that my challenge urged you to look for something to read you haven't hitherto not known - that's one of the ideas of these challenges

>105 FAMeulstee: congratulations for sweeping through/around books :)

123dallenbaugh
Jul 18, 2017, 10:52 am

>105 FAMeulstee: You did it again. Good for you!

124FAMeulstee
Jul 18, 2017, 12:37 pm

>122 paulstalder: & >123 dallenbaugh: Thanks Paul and Donna.

125Helenliz
Jul 22, 2017, 11:58 am

May I recommend Frenchman's Creek as really very good. A couple of plot twists I didn't see coming at all and even to the end I wasn;t sure what decision she would make. I listened to it and it certainly didn't distract from the text when the narrator had a really very nice voice to listen to. mmm, lovely.

126dallenbaugh
Jul 22, 2017, 3:08 pm

>125 Helenliz: Good to hear about Frenchman's Creek. I just got it from the library although in book form not audio. Maybe I can get to it this month and join you in Challenge 13.

127humouress
Jul 23, 2017, 11:34 pm

I'm attempting to return to the TIOLI fold after a long break. I'm adding Sky of Swords by Dave Duncan to Challenge 6: Canadian author of the opposite gender. Duncan was born in Scotland but has been a Canadian citizen since 1960 (according to Wikipedia).

128Citizenjoyce
Jul 24, 2017, 12:45 am

>127 humouress: Welcome back.

129humouress
Jul 24, 2017, 2:00 am

Thank you. :0)

130fuzzi
Edited: Jul 24, 2017, 6:53 am

:waves at @humouress:

131FAMeulstee
Jul 24, 2017, 7:48 am

>127 humouress: Welcome back, Nina!

132SqueakyChu
Jul 24, 2017, 8:07 pm

>127 humouress: Good to have you back!

133humouress
Jul 24, 2017, 10:49 pm

Thanks everyone! I'm getting a warm, fuzzy feeling.

134Dejah_Thoris
Jul 24, 2017, 10:58 pm

>105 FAMeulstee: Congratulations, Anita! I'm terribly impressed that you were able to complete your sweep so early in the month!

>125 Helenliz: I'm so glad that you enjoyed Frenchman's Creek - as I think I posted before, I've been fond it since I was a teenager. It's not exactly du Maurier's most popular work , so it's always nice to find someone else who likes it.

>126 dallenbaugh: I'm tempted to dig out my copy to join you and Helen, Donna.....

>127 humouress: Hi Nina! I've just come back to LT and the TOLI Challenges myself. It's lovely to see you here again!

135FAMeulstee
Jul 26, 2017, 7:30 am

>134 Dejah_Thoris: Thanks Dejah, the sweeps have been going well the whole year :-)
I hope I can keep it up in the next months.

136lyzard
Jul 27, 2017, 2:00 am

Congratulations, Anita, and welcome back, Nina! :)

137Helenliz
Jul 27, 2017, 1:47 pm

>134 Dejah_Thoris: you know you want too... And it would be lovely for a challenge designed as I tend to miss the boat on shared reads to have more actual shared reads >:-)

138klobrien2
Jul 27, 2017, 7:07 pm

Speaking of shared reads, it is so great to see people posting lots of shared reads, both on the lists and on the TIOLI meter! As I've said before, shared reads are one of my favorite things about TIOLI (I bet they are for you, too!).

Karen O.

139SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 27, 2017, 10:58 pm

TIOLI Question of the Month:

What is the one thing that you think most interfered with reading books this month? Is it something you think will continue or not?

140lyzard
Jul 27, 2017, 10:48 pm

BOOKS most interfered with my reading of books! :D

I had two real chunksters to tackle this month, both tiny-fonted monsters, and between them they've cut my normal reading down to less than half of what it usually is. I'm glad to have read both, but slightly frustrated at the same time.

141SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 27, 2017, 11:02 pm

>139 SqueakyChu: Is anyone else having the problem of having a smart phone interfere with his or her reading? That's what happened to me. I'm either scrolling to see what's on Facebook, walking to play Pokemon GO as part of my exercise/health regime, or checking my phone for more surreal news about 45's administration. I was much happier back in the days of more reading books and less smart phone scrolling.

142SqueakyChu
Jul 27, 2017, 11:27 pm

TIOLI stats for June, 2017:

For the month of June, 2017, we read a total of 330 books of which 53 books (or 16%) were shared reads. We accumulated 28 TIOLI points which gives us a June YTD total of 180 points, the least June YTD points since 2010. Our other tallies seem to be holding steady.

Our most popular books, each read by three people, were:
1. Lillian Boxfish Takes a Walk by Kathleen Rooney
2. On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder
3. A Suitable Boy by Vikram Seth

Our most popular challenge, with 43 books read, was dallenbaugh's challenge to read a book where changing one letter in the title still makes the title make sense.

Our challenges with the most TIOLI points, both with 4, were:
1. SqueakyChu's (my) challenge to read a book with a food *embedded* in the title
2. paulstalder's challenge to read a book in which you learn the price of a beverage

Ever onward!

143SqueakyChu
Jul 27, 2017, 11:28 pm

I seem to be a little bit behind this month! Oops! :D

144SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 28, 2017, 8:59 am

TIOLI Awards for June, 2017

The Most Unusual Food in a Most Unusual Storage Place Award goes to dallenbaugh for finding roti (an Indian bread) in the word "erotic". Such an unusual place for bread! Don't you think?

The Clever Challenge Idea Award goes to dallenbaugh (again!) for the challenge to read a book where changing one letter in the title still makes the title make sense. This was one fun challenge and good for some broad smiles and one good belly laugh for me.

For dallenbaugh's above challenge, the Gotta See This To Believe It Award goes to brenpike for reading A Horse Walks Into A Bar. If that wasn't strange enough, the one letter change made it into "A Horse Walks Into A Car". Please...let it not be my car!

The Travel Companion Awards go to katiekrug for reading The Lauras in which characters travel from the USA to Canada and to raidergirl3 for reading Based On a True Story whose characters go from Canada to the USA. That parallels my own vacation trip at the end of June and beginning of July. :)

The Economics Professor Award goes to paulstalder for his challenge to read a book in which you learn the price of a beverage. I'm not sure where this challenger got the idea for this challenge, but it sure was challenging! So many of you took him up on his challenge, too! I'm proud of those of you who did this.

Feel free to add more awards at this time.
Congrats to all of our award winners!

145Helenliz
Jul 28, 2017, 1:24 am

>139 SqueakyChu: Life keeps getting in the way. I'm working too much, traveling too much and just being too tired in the evening to do much more than flump on the sofa in front of the goggle box. Not good for the body or soul.

Although I, too, understand the attraction of the phone/PC. I have spent far to long on a facebook game and need to break the habit. It works as a 5 minute light relief, but that then extends and extends... I know they design them to lead you on further, and I know it's working on me.

146avatiakh
Jul 28, 2017, 2:07 am

>144 SqueakyChu: Umm, I didn't read A horse walks into a bar! I did read 2 of the most popular shared reads (post #142) though

>139 SqueakyChu: Interference with my reading this month was a burst of genealogy research.

147PawsforThought
Jul 28, 2017, 6:21 am

>139 SqueakyChu: I've had three things interfer with my reading in the past month (and a bit).
1. Family visits
2. Wedding preparations (not mine)
3. Holiday

The last two are unlikely to happen for at least another year (2 is unlikely to happen ever again, tbh), but the first one will definitely happen again in a few weeks.

148dallenbaugh
Jul 28, 2017, 8:29 am

>144 SqueakyChu: Thanks for the awards Madeline. It was fun to find the Indian bread in the title of a book about Indian widows.

As for book interference, it seems the opposite has happened for me this month. I have read more than usual thanks to the hot Colorado sun.

149SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 28, 2017, 9:03 am

>146 avatiakh: That was really a Freudian slip! When I wrote the awards, I was thinking about how you and I always used to share books by Israeli authors! I withdraw that award from you and give it to brenpike! :)

150lindapanzo
Edited: Jul 28, 2017, 2:26 pm

Things that get in my way of reading include baseball, work, and nice weather. Hopefully, all of these will continue.

Of course, I had those same issues in June and still managed a sweep.

151FAMeulstee
Jul 28, 2017, 1:24 pm

In June my reading went down, because of our vacation. This month I am back on track ;-)

152elkiedee
Jul 28, 2017, 1:45 pm

This month my reading has been affected by tiredness and by arious meetings and things going on, but I still feel that I've done a little better than in April/May/June (1 book finished last month!). At the beginning of July I finally finished several books I'd been reading FOREVER - two were very long and one was quite a dense literary biography which needed effort. We had a surprise general election campaign between mid April and 8 June, and that almost wiped out my time for reading for a few weeks.

153Dejah_Thoris
Jul 28, 2017, 9:36 pm

>135 FAMeulstee: Anita, it doesn't look as though you're going to have any trouble keeping up the sweeps!

>137 Helenliz: Alas, Helen, I don't think yet another rereading of Frenchman's Creek is going to happen for me this month. I've still got to finish Is He Dead?: A Comedy in Three Acts by Mark Twain to get a sweep, read Miss Buncle Married , which is a shared read I've committed to, and, if I can fit it in, I'd love to join the folks reading The Color of Water: A Black Man's Tribute to His White Mother by James McBride. I'm running short on days.....

154Dejah_Thoris
Jul 28, 2017, 9:44 pm

>138 klobrien2: I love shared reads, too, Karen - it's one of the best things about the TIOLI Challenges. I'll often pick up something I'd never thought of reading before just to get the shared read, which is really good for me! And speaking of shared reads, while I may (at this moment) be ahead of you by number, your percentage of shared reads is fabulous - 50% ! Shoot, I'm just aiming for 33%.

I'm also always a little afraid that if the TIOLI Points number drops down too far, Madeline will decide we don't need the TIOLI Challenges and more......

>144 SqueakyChu: And congratulations to all the winners! Er, whoever they may be....

155raidergirl3
Jul 28, 2017, 9:48 pm

Thanks for the award - hope you had a great visit to Canada!

156SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 28, 2017, 9:50 pm

>154 Dejah_Thoris: I'm also always a little afraid that if the TIOLI Points number drops down too far, Madeline will decide we don't need the TIOLI Challenges and more......

LOL! That crosses my mind!

Er, whoever they may be....

Haha!

157SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 28, 2017, 9:54 pm

>155 raidergirl3: My trip to Canada was memorable and wonderful. It was a delight to spend time in Canada with my husband, my best friend, LibraryThing members, BookCrossing members, and two Canadian friends who own a book store! Some added bonuses were seeing my cousin's new baby in Ithica (New York, USA), an amazing hike in a New York state forest, and two very fun bed-and-breakfasts.

158Citizenjoyce
Jul 29, 2017, 1:18 am

>139 SqueakyChu: Working more than usual tamped my reading down a bit but I've had lots of vet bills (these dogs insist on getting older) so off to work I go.
Politics, politics, politics are interfering with my reading. I feel almost compelled to watch 3 hours of news a day and or keep up with happenings in the Washington Post, New York Times and Facebook, this is so bizarre for me. I don't know how much longer it can last.
By the way, I read A Horse Walks Into A Bar for the travel challenge. I didn't even realize someone else was reading it.

159brenpike
Jul 29, 2017, 2:11 am

>144 SqueakyChu: Thanks for the award, Madeline! A Horse Walks Into a Bar was a good read and I'm glad the change in letter, per the challenge, provided comic relief . . .

>139 SqueakyChu: My reading has changed pretty drastically since last November. I spend much more time on national news reports than ever before and my ability to focus on other material has suffered :/

160SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 29, 2017, 11:29 am

>158 Citizenjoyce: >159 brenpike: I was spending way too much time watching and listening to the news. That did impact my reading, but it was also making me physically ill. I limit my political reading/listening mostly to headlines now or what my husband tells me. He watches hours of this stuff at night on television. I want to stay informed, but I don't want to become depressed or sick from news that I find discouraging. It's a delicate balance.

161thornton37814
Jul 29, 2017, 12:58 pm

>139 SqueakyChu: Biggest interference was genealogical research and a genealogical institute. (Homework before and during the course was heavy.) "Books not grabbing me" was a contributing factor. Although I'll be on vacation and spending time with my brother's family and with my cousin and his wife, I suspect I'll find time to read and don't anticipate this complication in August.

162SqueakyChu
Jul 29, 2017, 2:47 pm

>161 thornton37814: That sounds so cool! Have you done DNA testing? My husband and I did it over the past year. We had some interesting results.

163Helenliz
Jul 29, 2017, 3:10 pm

>161 thornton37814: Is that work or pleasure? Genealogy is on my list to take up when I retire. I've got what Mum was working on in a box under the spare bed, waiting until I have the time to devote to it properly.

164thornton37814
Jul 29, 2017, 4:04 pm

>162 SqueakyChu: I've tested me and lots of other family members. I'm currently awaiting a couple of kits to follow up with a match. Our line and this one should be Y-DNA matches on the particular family in question. I just had to locate someone with the correct Y-DNA from our line to test. Of course, you are referring to autosomal DNA. It is an autosomal match that led to the potential match who is actually from the line I've long suspected is ours. It's a case built completely on indirect evidence. The DNA testing will help solidify the case although I'll really want a third tester from another line from the ancestor as well. Hopefully we'll get that. When you speak of the "interesting results," I'm sure you are referring to the admixture, but that is the least reliable part of the test. I hope you will consider also uploading your raw DNA to GEDmatch. I don't know which company you tested with, but if you tested with 23 and Me or Ancestry, you can also transfer data to FamilyTreeDNA. (You transfer for free, but to unlock more than the top 20 matches, you pay $19.) I think My Heritage is still offering free DNA transfers for many companies' data. This company began with a large core of Jewish testers.

>163 Helenliz: Although I'm an academic librarian, I take genealogical clients, primarily in summer and during our Christmas break. I guess you can call it "work" in that sense. The genealogy research in July did include some of my own; however, some of it was for the article I used for my writing sample done before the course. I worked on the man and some of his descent. We had a couple of other assignments we received about a week before class began. I'd planned to mostly "chill" that week and suddenly had extra homework.

165SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 29, 2017, 4:37 pm

>164 thornton37814: I'll message you so as not to go off on a tangent here. This is such an interesting topic! I'll leave my message to you public for now so others can take a peek at it if they are interested.

166thornton37814
Jul 29, 2017, 6:48 pm

>165 SqueakyChu: Sounds great, Madeleine!

167susanna.fraser
Jul 29, 2017, 7:00 pm

>161 thornton37814: >162 SqueakyChu: >164 thornton37814: Did any of you read the article from WaPo about about two families discovering their fathers had been switched at birth in 1913 after doing ancestry.com/23 and Me testing? Fascinating, though you read it glad that both men died before learning that the faith and heritage each loved wasn't actually what they were born into.

168thornton37814
Jul 29, 2017, 7:23 pm

>167 susanna.fraser: Yes. It was interesting. The social bookmarking service I use was down, so I saved the link in Evernote for the time being.

169SqueakyChu
Jul 29, 2017, 7:41 pm

>167 susanna.fraser: I haven't read that article.

170avatiakh
Jul 29, 2017, 8:11 pm

>165 SqueakyChu: >166 thornton37814: I'll also message you too, Lori. I have a couple of basic questions about obtaining records in the US.

...and in general, my husband is right into using DNA to find & establish links to Jewish family. What we've found is that those most resistant to doing a DNA test work in genetics. My own sister-in-law is a nurse and she is staunchly against DNA testing.

>167 susanna.fraser: Interesting article.

171SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 29, 2017, 9:02 pm

>170 avatiakh: Now I'm very curious.

What we've found is that those most resistant to doing a DNA test work in genetics.

Why?

My own sister-in-law is a nurse and she is staunchly against DNA testing.

Why>

I'm also wondering if this is like issues with medical information. There are no real guarantees of privacy so who knows who can use this information and for what purpose! This is sort of ominous and creepy.

The information my husband and I got from ancestry.com was quite interesting but very generic. However...now someone there has my DNA on file! :O I guess it's too late now, but I'm glad I did it.

172avatiakh
Jul 29, 2017, 9:58 pm

>171 SqueakyChu: - a) What we've found is that those most resistant to doing a DNA test work in genetics
They just aren't so interested in the idea of finding family members this way. Most European Jews will share DNA as it's a limited pool. I don't think it is anything creepy.
b) My own sister-in-law is a nurse and she is staunchly against DNA testing
She's concerned with what could be done with the actual sample itself.

I agree that the info you get is very generic, my husband is more interested in matches and finding links that can't be found through genealogy research.

173SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 29, 2017, 11:34 pm

>172 avatiakh: I did get an interesting match. It was someone I knew through my mom in childhood. I never knew for sure that we were related. Our mutual link seems to go beyond both of our family trees - perhaps an extra generation. It was an exciting match for both of us.

What your sister-in-law thinks reminds me of the book The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, which was a great read. It dealt with use of cells, not with DNA material within cells, but the idea of improper use of something so personal is dealt with in this book.

174lyzard
Jul 30, 2017, 12:08 am

It may also be about people being unprepared for what they learn: I had an elderly relative who was heavily into tracing her ancestry until she hit an illegitimate birth... :)

175fuzzi
Edited: Jul 30, 2017, 10:00 am

>139 SqueakyChu: to answer your question about interference with reading: Real Life, at work and helping my family with their needs, like finding a used truck to buy by researching online. My dh's 1987 pickup truck is showing its age, and I've been using my evenings to search for what was available locally. At night in bed I usually read, but have been too tired...I usually just fall asleep with my finger marking my page.

>141 SqueakyChu: oh, yes, that too. I joined the 21st Century with my first smart phone, and it's a temptation to check email, the internet, Twitter, etc. instead of picking up a book. The newness will wear off, I'm sure.

>157 SqueakyChu: nice trip! Happy you were able to do that. I like driving, and seeing new places, but between work-related restrictions (time, annual tasks that only I can do, etc) we've not done more. Due to a new grandchild (she's 15 months now, can you believe it?) we have visited Chicago for the first time, and are seeing the sights.

Regarding everyone being more plugged in to the news, me too. However, as the world has not crashed and burned in the last 6 months, and there is nothing I can do to prevent it if it's going to happen, I have divorced myself from most "news" (both right and left-leaning) and have found it to be much better for my blood-pressure and my overall attitude. Most of the news sources report as if the world is about to crash and burn, that's their job, and method to keep their ratings and income high.

I've added Twitter to my new smart phone, though, because I don't have to waste time reading people's opinions of what the POTUS said, I can just read it for myself. No political rant intended, and hopefully no can of worms has been opened!

Now I think I'll go read my latest, Begat by David Crystal. Happy Sunday, all!

176Dejah_Thoris
Jul 30, 2017, 2:04 pm

>139 SqueakyChu: Reading all the comments about distractions from reading make me realize that one of the main reasons I get so much reading done is because I don't watch television these days and the only social media site I use is LT. I do keep track of the news online, but that's just more reading, isn't it, lol?

I just finished the last book I needed for a sweep for July, but I'm still trying to finish two more shared reads. I'll definitely get one done, but I'm not certain about the other. Time will tell! I'm already looking forward to my August books....

177FAMeulstee
Jul 30, 2017, 2:32 pm

>176 Dejah_Thoris: Congratulations on your sweep!

178Helenliz
Jul 30, 2017, 3:47 pm

>176 Dejah_Thoris: congratulations on sweeping the board. >:-)

179DeltaQueen50
Jul 30, 2017, 3:50 pm

Congrats, Dejah!

180SqueakyChu
Edited: Jul 30, 2017, 7:46 pm

>175 fuzzi: At night in bed I usually read, but have been too tired...I usually just fall asleep with my finger marking my page.

You're lucky. If I fall asleep while reading in bed, I usually drop the book on my face and then I wake up with a start! :D

The newness will wear off, I'm sure.

It hasn't so far...and it's been more than two years already. I just find more and more things that I can do on the phone. My latest thing to do on my phone is to list characters of a novel when there seem to be too many to keep them straight without writing down who they are! Recently I also did short chapter summaries while reading a book that I really liked but that I was afraid was going to get me confused. It was Every Man Dies Alone by Hans Fallada Just doing that helped me enjoy the book much more since I didn't forget plot points because I had them all written down. I usually hate to do that, but the book was so absorbing that I didn't mind.

So nice that you got to see your granddaughter! Are you in Chicago now? I just learned that my four-year-old grandson will have a new sister in January. Needless to say, we're all very excited about the news.

I have divorced myself from most "news" (both right and left-leaning) and have found it to be much better for my blood-pressure...

Me. too! My blood pressure was sky high at the beginning of the year, and my doctor made me keep going back for blood pressure checks. I turned off most of the news, I lost weight, and I started walking. Result...My blood pressure is just fine now. Also this...I can't read while I'm walking! :D

No political rant intended, and hopefully no can of worms has been opened!

I can't find my can opener...which is just as well. :)

Happy Sunday to you and others!

181SqueakyChu
Jul 30, 2017, 7:46 pm

>176 Dejah_Thoris: Hurray on your sweep!!

182klobrien2
Edited: Jul 31, 2017, 1:05 pm

>176 Dejah_Thoris: Yay for a sweep! Congratulations!

A suggestion for those wanting shared read points--review the wiki lists of books to see if you have been joined in a read! I picked up two more shared points, so I'm currently (for a minute or two) tied for Co-Top Newt with Dejah-thoris!

Karen O.

183dallenbaugh
Jul 31, 2017, 12:58 pm

>176 Dejah_Thoris: Yes, congrats to another sweeper!

184jennyifer24
Jul 31, 2017, 1:05 pm

I just finished my first-ever sweep this morning! 10 of my books were shared reads- it was fun to try out some books I wouldn't have found on my own!

185lindapanzo
Jul 31, 2017, 1:25 pm

>184 jennyifer24: Congrats on your first-ever sweep!! Very exciting.

186SqueakyChu
Jul 31, 2017, 1:34 pm

>184 jennyifer24:. Wow! That's wonderful! Congratulations!!

187FAMeulstee
Jul 31, 2017, 2:35 pm

>184 jennyifer24: Congratulations, 10 shared reads is impressive !!!

188susanna.fraser
Jul 31, 2017, 3:10 pm

Congrats to the sweepers!

189dallenbaugh
Jul 31, 2017, 4:27 pm

>184 jennyifer24: 10 shared reads and a sweep - that's a winner alright.

190lindapanzo
Jul 31, 2017, 4:51 pm

Is there a TIOLI record for most shared reads in a month? It seems like 10 should be right up there. I think I had 4 in June, which was more than I can ever remember having before.

191jennyifer24
Jul 31, 2017, 5:43 pm

Thank you!! And congrats to the sweepers!

Speaking of records- is there also a record for fastest to a sweep? An 18-book sweep in 15 days was amazing!
>105 FAMeulstee:

192lyzard
Jul 31, 2017, 5:49 pm

I'm really impressed with this month's sweepers as I found quite a number of the challenges difficult to address---well done!!

193SqueakyChu
Jul 31, 2017, 7:37 pm

>190 lindapanzo: >191 jennyifer24: I haven't kept records for fastest sweeps in a month nor for most shared reads. If anyone wants to do that bit of research, go ahead and do it. Then post it on the TIOLI meter under where we record the sweeps.

194SqueakyChu
Jul 31, 2017, 7:39 pm

Housekeeping Day!

Remember to delete from the wiki any book you do not finish by midnight tonight. Thanks!

195Citizenjoyce
Jul 31, 2017, 8:37 pm

Congratulations to the sweepers. 2/3 of a book left for me. I hope I finish, but oh the news tonight. Hard to pull myself away.

196lindapanzo
Jul 31, 2017, 9:39 pm

>195 Citizenjoyce: Hope you can do it.

My most timely book of the month is a book I read about presidential chiefs of staff. The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency by Chris Whipple. I think you might like that one.

197Citizenjoyce
Jul 31, 2017, 11:12 pm

>196 lindapanzo: Thanks for the recommend. I've put it on hold, but it looks like it'll be a couple of months before I get it.

198Citizenjoyce
Edited: Aug 1, 2017, 2:07 am

Yahoo, made the sweep with an hour to spare, but let me tell you, the book of Job is not cheery and even worse is J.B.: A Play in Verse

199FAMeulstee
Aug 1, 2017, 3:24 am

>198 Citizenjoyce: Congratulations on your sweep Joyce!

200Citizenjoyce
Aug 1, 2017, 5:31 am

Thanks.

201dallenbaugh
Aug 1, 2017, 8:47 am

>198 Citizenjoyce: Good for you. Another sweeper

202jeanned
Edited: Aug 1, 2017, 2:38 pm

>184 jennyifer24: And here I was, about to go looking to see if someone had managed 6 in 6 for June. !0 shared reads! That is amazing!

203jennyifer24
Aug 1, 2017, 9:08 pm

>202 jeanned: The stars aligned, lol! Usually it's more difficult to find shared reads at the library, or by the time I look for them there's a waiting list that goes past the end of the month. This time I got lucky. Plus it helped that people shared a couple books I'd listed.

204fuzzi
Aug 1, 2017, 10:13 pm

>180 SqueakyChu: we're still living in NC, but are trying to get to Chicago twice a year.

I found an app that is similar to Notepad, very simple, and good for jotting down characters, "to do" thoughts, etc.

Good news tonight: our son is getting ready to start his junior year in college, having transferred to a university from the local community college. He will have access to the huge rec/pool center, and has offered to have me as his guest...swimming! Yippee! Love it, just can't justify paying $$$ for memberships when I don't get there on a regular basis.

205Dejah_Thoris
Aug 1, 2017, 10:41 pm

Thanks for all the congratulations on my sweep!

>184 jennyifer24: And congratulations to you on your first ever sweep! And your excellent shared reads total! I think we had two shared reads together for July - I hope we have more in August!

>193 SqueakyChu: Hmmm....I believe Karen (klobrien2) has 11 shared reads for July - and I can't imagine there have been many months with someone at 10 and another at 11!

>182 klobrien2: Btw, Karen, I matched you at 11 - briefly. When the clock struck midnight and the calendar changed pages, two of my shared reads turned into pumpkins and I ended up at 9. I certainly understand how it is when you think you're going to read a book you've listed and it just doesn't happen.....

On the other hand, I am the unchallenged Top WORKS Newt, with an amazing 1 shared read - woohoo!

>198 Citizenjoyce: Hooray for your sweep! J. B. isn't exactly cheery, is it? The Book of Job had never been my favorite source material, but I was glad to join you in reading it this month. It's been on my list to get to for ages, so thanks for the nudge. Oh the things we'll do for a shared read....

>204 fuzzi: Good news about the swimming - and congratulations to your son!

206Citizenjoyce
Aug 1, 2017, 11:00 pm

>205 Dejah_Thoris: When I read J.B. in college I was completely unaware of the Book of Job. It didn't seem to me that the play could be based on the Bible. Now, many decades later, I find it just as powerful. Thanks for joining me.

207humouress
Edited: Aug 2, 2017, 2:11 am

Oh gosh, August! I was just getting ready to look for another challenge to fill.

Congratulations to all the sweepers! Amazing job.

>205 Dejah_Thoris: Dejah, if you shared a read, isn't whomever you shared it with up there with you? Oops, sorry; I see it's 11 shared reads.

208SqueakyChu
Aug 2, 2017, 11:51 am

>198 Citizenjoyce: Congrats on your sweep!

209Citizenjoyce
Aug 2, 2017, 1:51 pm

>208 SqueakyChu: Thank you.