Stendhal and the Greatest Novels of all Time

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Stendhal and the Greatest Novels of all Time

1blue.eyes2
May 21, 2023, 7:57 pm

There is a book called 'Ten Novels and Their Authors' by Somerset Maugham in which Maugham writes about 'ten best novels' ever written, in his opinion, and also about their authors. The selected books, and their authors, are:



In the first (introductory) chapter of this book, Maugham explains the criterion of selecting these works, and clarifies that his selection was 'arbitrary' and that he could have chosen ten completely different books instead of the ones selected:



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In a BBC interview with Malcolm Muggeridge Maugham talked in some detail about this particular book. This interview is no longer available on YouTube, although I had given a link to it one or two years ago on this forum when it was viewable. It's still available at the BBC website ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/panorama--w-somerset-maugham/zrvm92p ) but I am unable to watch it ("This content is not available in your location").

During the interview Muggeridge posed a curious remark to Maugham. From memory, it was something like: "You were unfair to Stendhal in your book." Muggeridge's point was that Maugham had made Stendhal look ridiculous in his book. Maugham insisted that Stendhal was somewhat ridiculous in his personal affairs, but this did not prevent him from being a great writer. He also went on to say that there is very little connection between how a writer is in their personal life with how good a writer they are.

(to be continued)

2blue.eyes2
May 21, 2023, 8:08 pm

These are the first two pages from the chapter on Stendhal from Maugham's book:





(To be continued)

3blue.eyes2
May 21, 2023, 8:43 pm

Of the ten novels commented on by Maugham, one is Stendhal's 'The Red and The Black'. In an earlier post on this forum, Leccol had written the following about some LEC books, including the Red and the Black, which were bound in sheepskin:

I am not sure why LECs bound in sheepskin flake and deteriorate, but they do. Some deteriorate faster than others. Some which probably can't be found in Fine condition are The Red and the Black, the Scarlet Letter, Pride and Prejudice, and Moby Dick. Some such as Rip Van Winkle, I have never found even in Good condition. I suppose it doesn't matter why they were short lived, just recognize it and act accordingly, which usually means that the above copies must be rebound to be had in any kind of condition.

Some say that the cause lies in the dyes Macy used. Others that the lanolin in sheep skin causes them to dry out when the skin is removed from the animal. But no matter what the cause, sheepskin is seldom, if ever, used any more.


Following Leccol's advise I decided to buy the LEC Red and the Black in better than average condition and was fortunate to get such a copy. I give below some photographs of my copy of the LEC Red and Black. The last two photographs show, for comparison, the same illustrations from the LEC Red and Black and the Easton Press Red and the Black.









4blue.eyes2
May 21, 2023, 8:50 pm

I've started reading the Red and the Black and will post a brief review once I finish it. I'll just mention one other thing I learnt after reading Maugham's writeup on this book: the ending is flawed, according to Maugham, and Maugham says several others have commented on this flawed ending. Maugham explains why he believes the ending is flawed and suggests why in his opinion Stendhal incorporated this flawed ending into the book.

If anyone here has read this book please do share your thoughts about it.

5cartographer144
Jul 11, 2023, 7:07 pm

>4 blue.eyes2: I just purchased a copy in pretty much the exact same condition. It came with two copies of the monthly letter which was a first for me, so feel free to message me if you are in need of one. Look forward to your review and reading this one myself!

6blue.eyes2
Jul 18, 2023, 8:06 am

>5 cartographer144: I got busy at work and had to stop reading the Red and the Black. Then when I had time to read again I started reading other things--including a biography of ร‰mile Zola. I read that Zola was an admirer of Stendhal and thought the Red and the Black was a particularly noteworthy book. Enough incentive (taking into account Balzac's praise of Stendhal) to make another attempt at reading the Stendhal book. I have the ML but thanks for your kind offer.

I was making a preliminary list of great French writers in the 19th century and I came up with these names: Stendhal, Balzac, Victor Hugo, Dumas, Anatole France, and ร‰mile Zola. Fortunately all of them have been published by the LEC and/or Heritage publications.

7BuzzBuzzard
Jul 18, 2023, 8:33 am

>6 blue.eyes2: Perhaps add Gustave Flaubert to the list.

8blue.eyes2
Jul 18, 2023, 9:37 am

>7 BuzzBuzzard: Of course. Thanks for correcting me.

9Sport1963
Jul 18, 2023, 11:02 am

>8 blue.eyes2: Baudelaire and Rimbaud should be added to the list, and both are represented in the LEC bibliography.

10Glacierman
Edited: Jul 18, 2023, 1:30 pm

>6 blue.eyes2: Already done for you: https://www.thefamouspeople.com/19th-century-french-writers.php

Although, I have no idea why Robert W. Service is included in that long list. And a couple of other puzzlers, as well.

11blue.eyes2
Jul 18, 2023, 2:00 pm

>10 Glacierman: Thank you. That's a very comprehensive list of great 19th century French writers. And I note it includes the two names >9 Sport1963: provided.

12blue.eyes2
Jul 30, 2023, 11:15 am

Some additional resources for anyone reading the red and the black:

1.

Professor Belinda Jack's lecture on the red and the black:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_rkFOTKNGI

2.

The full text of the chapter on Stendhal and the red and the black in Somerset Maugham's 'Ten Novels and their authors':

https://mmccl.blogspot.com/2017/01/nf-stendhal-and-le-rouge-et-le-noir.html

An extract:

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